So, I'm seeing a lot of folks don't read the *show notes/description.* Which is fine. However, to answer some questions regarding price: folks are selling these on eBay/Forums/Online Vendors for exorbitant prices. The larger issue is that *more folks* are listing these at ever *MORE* ridiculous prices, which gives everyone else the idea to *raise their prices* and... Well, you see where this is going. It doesn't matter if they *sell* or *don't sell.* The domino effect has already started. Hopefully, as I stated at the end of this video, prices will level out reasonably enough to where purchasing this makes sense again. I stated in the description, there are still a few listings at $500+ on Amazon (April, 2018)! That's where I bought mine (for $350). Yup... Thanks for watching!
Patrick you got a steal! Enjoy it and never get rid of it. So far my best Seiko hands down. Very few watches with this value proposition. I've just ordered a Benchmark Green Oiled Leather Nato Strap for it.
I've been wearing mine everyday about 40 days and it's still losing 12-25 seconds a day. Does anyone experience this or does it get better over time? I don't want to return it because rebuying it now is out of the question 😅
If Seiko had used silver instead of gold, we simply would not be talking about the Alpinest at all! The green and gold are that which make this watch iconic- which, I believe, it truly is today.
Don't worry bout me. I am keeping mine! i love it and plan to hand it down my one boy who loves green. As for clothing? I wear it with everything. It especially contracts well with my purple shirts. It's just good looking. I am a Middle School teacher so my fashion, and lack thereof, gets kids attention. Who cares if it matches. I like wearing it!
I think you should have your watch looked at, at a repair shop. I've had my Alpinist for about a year. It's never ever been noisy. I love everything about it.
I agree , once I had this watch the SPB210 version, I instantly knew why this should be a Seiko in your collection or if this would be the only Seiko in your collection. Just plain awesome 👏
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this beautiful watch. One thing I’ve noticed that might help you to love this watch even more : I’ve put mine on a leather NATO strap, and .... it reduces the noise of the movement drastically, and it’s pretty indeed. I hope this helps. I have to say it also look awesome on the leather strap you have chosen for it.
Dark and navy blue straps also go well with green dials. Also, in low light, the gilt hands and numerals catch whatever light is present really, really well. So I really don't agree with those people saying that it's difficult to tell the time in such conditions. Finally, the watch actually measures quite a bit over 39mm at it's narrowest diameter, despite Seiko's own specs stating 38mm.
Patrick great style guide on the straps. It was interesting to see the Alpinist with those other color straps. Many I would have never, thought to pair with but they looked great. I fell immeditaely in love with the green distressed leather strap from Colareb when I saw it in one of TGV's videos, then began to love the way it looks with both Oyster and Jubilee bracelet straps. It is truly remarkable how it really can look different just be changing straps.
Just bought one. Awaiting delivery. I paid too much for it, definately, but I really wanted it and I'm going to wear the hell out of it. All the watches I own or have owned for the last two decades have black dials, and until recently the thought of any trace of gold on me was abhorring, but there is something about this combination that compelled me to buy it, even though I've never seen it in the wild. The strap will go off even before I put it on my wrist for the first time. It's as ugly as it looks plain and simply uncomfortable on any picture. A cognac nubuck is awaiting it. There is no reason why you could not wear this on any color formal, casual or sporty outfit. I Love You, Seiko.
Ye I was baited by the title but I liked the Idea of the Alpinist taking over a collection. I had an Orient Mako II which was my first automatic watch and I used that thing tons. Even destroyed the crystal at work once then got all the tools and replaced it with a sapphire crystal. Then one day I saw the Alpinist on Amazon and had to have it. After months of saving up it was all I ever wore when I got it. Eventually I realized I hadn't worn my Mako for months. So I ended up choosing to sell the Mako and just be a 1 watch guy.
Have this for around a month now. this was the only watch that my friends took notice directly when I wore a new watch (I already wore 2 new junghans watches and they failed to notice them). You will appreciate the green dial when you see it in person. It's special, seriously.
I've loved this watch since I first saw it about 3 years ago. I didn't have the money for it back then but was hoping to pick one up sometime in the near future. Unfortunately they exorbitant prices at the moment are making me reconsider my options.
Good job calling out the easily scratched bezel! I love my SARB017; it's my first mechanical watch. After a month of daily wear I noticed a lot of minor scuffs, then one day I bumped a concrete wall. The minor contact gouged the bezel right alongside the crystal, but the crystal still looks perfect. It bothered me for a time. So much so that I bought another Alpinist for $400 (delivered) just before they were discontinued. Well, I've gotten over it. I just love the classy, shiny bezel too much, and I know that if I replace my watch the new one will be scuffed within a month. Heck, you could drop my Alpinist in a bag with 100 others and I can pick mine out by the dings and scratches. I've decided to sell the new watch and get a Hamilton Khaki King instead. The silver dialed one is almost as beautiful as the SARB017... almost.
Easily one of the most articulate, perceptive and rational reviews of the Alpinist published so far and your very salient point on the inflated price bubble should be noted . This is a watch to be worn and enjoyed day to day and as an owner I agree yes it is a little scratch prone, and the compass chapter ring could do with being of a much stiffer resistance/ friction lock.The noisy rotor however does seem to be a variable as in our group we have many examples (my own piece included) where its barely noticeable. Dress wise on a good leather vintage aviator it will go equally well from with a business suit (where it ceases to be an accessory and becomes a feature), to dress down casual and with age and patina on the strap, even the small scratches bestow a provenance on the combination. Alternatively paired with a good stainless bracelet (my own choice being the Strapcode Oyster which imho doesnt overpower the watch like the Jubilee option?) It becomes smart on any occasion, practical and durable. Yes I know theres an awful lot of hype about this piece but in honesty it does have a quality whether by design or accident of becoming a strangely comfortable companion to live with. Not everyones cup of tea,.. but theres an awful lot of us out there who love ours.... ;)
I was in Japan recently and was open minded about picking one up. I found one at a normal price but it just didn't sing to me and I dont really want to buy just to sell at profit. I bought an SKX J model instead and I love it. Even though I have a seamaster and a Sub the Seiko just looks great!
The compass bezel doesn't need to be screw down. Water cannot get into the movement or watch case from that crown. Plus, 6r15 movements can be noisy or perfectly silent.
Right. The screw-down crown is needed to prevent the regular crown from being pulled out unintentionally. All crowns are water-tight when pushed in, all crowns leak when pulled out. The function of the screw-down is to prevent this. The compass crown can't get pulled out. There's no need for a screw-down to prevent it.
Broke down and bought the expensive SBDC093 (Champagne/Gilt) - unbelievable beauty! Crock band for dress, one-pass nylon NATO for outdoor adventure... yes, this can be the one “do all” watch with style and class!👌
The green sunburst dial is the beauty of this watch. Its the cherry on the cake. This watch is primarily a field watch which is somewhere between a field to a formal watch. But not really a dress watch. The green color goes well wth a Polo/Khaki wardrobe in summers. The OEM brown leather strap is perfect for the watch. The complain about the absence of lume holds up since i treat this watch as a field watch. The 6R15 movement is surprisingly accurate. The compass crown needs a screwed down crown. The rest is pretty much okay. Great videos but i miss the Clock, Stock & Barrel days. Also, u need to up ur wardrobe game. Ditch these orange tees for Polo shirts, solid casual shirts and maybe even a jacket once in a while. We all know that Seiko is increasing prices on the 6R15 movements and thats why 3 SARBs hv been discontinued in addition to the SARG009.
Haha, I know my attire can be drab, but my apartment is usually 80+ degrees (I don't control heating), so you may have to suffer through t-shirts. Try to keep it casual here. Aye, CS&B was fun, learned a lot and I think the content I'm providing now is gravy. The little lume that is there works fine for me, though I can see it being an issue for some (lowlight visibility). Definitely happy with the purchase (evening wear it now!).
Nice review Patrick. You know what? After check many youtube channels dedicated to horology I realized that the watch aficonados are the most passionete and some of the most coolest guys in youtube. Thanx for sharing your pasion and your knowledge.
I bought the Alpinist a couple of months ago from Japan. It still sits in its box and has never been worn. Before buying, I really liked this watch and I just had to have one. But upon receiving it, though, I was disappointed. To me, it just didn't have the same presence as seen in photos and videos; to me it wears smaller than its 39mm size. But now it's hard to part with the Alpinist because it is a very well made watch for its price point, and it does have a certain panache that isn't found in other watches. Alas, there are other watches I'd like to own and I won't buy another until I decide what to do with this one.
I say: *sell it.* Honestly, if it's not immediately vibing with you. These days, I go with my gut reaction when I receive a watch. I am starting to have too many in the rotation, so if ever I run into a piece that I know won't see enough wrist time, or likely won't be worn, I turn it around then. I love my Alpinist because it offers me something different my collection does not have and more personally as a collector: this is an important watch. If they continue the line, this will be the one that people note as putting the "Alpinist" on the map. If they don't continue the (mechanical) line, this will be the last made.
kevnorcal If you do decide to part with it, I'd be willing to take it off your hands! Ever since my granddad's Seiko gave up on me I've been looking for a new timepiece, and this watch just looks absolutely stunning to me. Message me if you're interested!
The main purpose of a screw down crown on a diver watch is to prevent accidentally pulling the crown out and changing or stopping the time. The secondary purpose is additional water resistance. Jump in a pool with your crown unscrewed on any 200m water, and nothing should happen. The main purpose for a screw down crown on this watch is simply grins and giggles; the oring is doing all the work.
I was looking at this watch in the $350.00 dollar range, then the news hit it was being discontinued ,I bought my Sarbo 17 for 425.00. I believe the watch is valued good in this range.
I think you missed it a little as to the price. The Alpinist was under priced to start with, that's why Seiko discontinued it along with the rest of the SARB line. Everything with the 6r15 movement is now priced higher. I say if you want one buy it and buy it now. The Alpinist will hold it's value because of its uniqueness and versatility along with the fact it does have that 6r15 movement. Once the cat was out of the bag about this beautiful watch demand has done nothing but climb and now it's no longer made. Supply and demand will dictate the future value.
Hmm, *duly noted.* This watch has had amazing coverage for years before me and I'm sure it'll still be discussed years after, until the next model arrives (and I'm certain even after that). You're absolutely right though. It boasted headline features for the brand and a moderately sized chassis that most anyone could wear comfortably. I believe the prices hit their low point as these were saturating the market. As discussed in Part One, the SARB013/15/17 were all released in 2006 (twelve years ago!). It's little wonder why they became so affordable. No idea what Seiko's overhead was on these, but whatever the initial cost these are certainly only going to see a further rise in price on the market. That's certain. My timing for this purchase couldn't have been more fortuitous.
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett I stumbled across the Alpinist here on UA-cam a little over a year ago and was so taken by it I just had to have it. Patrick I would have paid $1000 for it, I still can't get past how good it looks. I realize it's not for everyone but considering it has a world wide fan page on Facebook I don't think I'm alone. Lol Another point, you see so many on the market because they paid $300 for it and can now sell it for $450 or higher.
I’ve had this watch for about two years at this point. I’m in the camp that this watch was an INSANE value before. As in WAY underpriced. The fist taste wasn’t free but I don’t balk at pricy Seikos either. At double it’s original price, the SARB 017 is still a bargain.
I disagree. There are so many out there that it won't hold it's value long term. This isn't a limited edition Seiko, there are tons of these out in the market both new and used.
Judging by the comments its a "marmite" watch - I wouldn't want one as a gift myself but it'd be boring if we all liked the same thing! Interesting to hear your perspective tho. Cheers Pat 👍
Going on 6 years since I bought mine 🥲 It was $340 back then. I was surprised to see what it’s going for now. I don’t collect watches so I’m going to hang onto this and see how the values grows.
I've been considering this watch for about 12 months now. My instinct when I heard it was being discontinied was to buy. I saw one on ebay for over $2000 ASD yesterday which is just ridiculous. Guess I'll wait and see if the prices settle at a more reasonable level. Loved the review. Keep it up.
Cam Macca keep checking seiya japan everyday. They sold out but every now and then he gets another one and he sells them for $416. I checked three days ago and he had one, I just checked before writing this comment and he sold it. Just keep checking he keeps getting them.
Way late to this video, but love the content. I’m currently pining over the spb121j1, as it’s almost identical to the sarb017 but with the upgraded 6r35 movement and the addition of the Cyclops for the date and the see through case back. I see the sarb017’s are going now for insane prices, sometimes over $2k. I wonder if the spb121 will follow the same trend. Either way, I just find the styling of these green alpinists absolutely stunning and really want to add one to my collection. I really enjoyed your little style guide section of the video. It further sold me on the wearability of the watch because I have also read a lot of people complaining about it not being compatible with people’s wardrobes.
The SPB121 actually isn't quite as similar as you think to the sarb. It's got a different tone dial and Slightly thicker. Among the other things you mentioned It didn't have the same character as the sarb in my opinion so I ended up forking up the asking price for a sarb
Not sure why people worry about getting a watch wet that has a 20 bar water resistance! I often wear my Sarb 033 in the shower to clean it and also swim with it. The Sarb 033 has a 10 bar rating without a screw in crown. With a 20 bar rating there is zero chance of water getting into this watch with normal day to day use! The pressure at 200m below sea level is extreme. At sea level there is a pressure of 14.7 PSI at 200m below sea level it increases by 290 PSI.
This watch is so beautiful the way it is. So distinct and unique that it has it's niche admirers. They can bring some color options with the new if they are planning one
Hey Pat, I got my Alpinist about a year ago, and I bought a Strapcode metal bracelet for it. It looks killer now and it will always be with me. I did pay $380 for it and it comes to about $500 now. I think that at $500 on Amazon it is still a great buy!!!
I’ve had a SARB017 for several months. It is a great watch. It was a steal at $360, but it is still a good deal at $500 new. You can’t another watch with a 6r15 for under $650.
I disagree about the noise I find mine very quiet and it runs two seconds fast a day, but the tiny date box and compass are totally redundant. A really versatile watch which I've worn with a suite as well as jeans and polo shirt. Nice vid Patrick.
I wonder if the rotor noise is hit and miss. I remember my SARB035 being loud enough to annoy me while I was driving. I believe that was the same movement.
Vegan Dinner I have four 6R15 watches, all are silent. Accuracy varies based on how wound I keep them, how much I wear them and how they're stored (usually dial-up in a watchbox) but typically they run anywhere from 2 to 10 seconds/day either way. They all sit next to a Casio radio atomic G-Shock Square so it's always easy to gauge how the automatics are doing.
Got mine in December of 2016 and it's my favorite in my collection. It's even got me so far as considering selling my current collection of watches (aside from the Alpinist) and seeing if my interest in buying watches remains. If not, my Sarb017 will be my one and only watch and I'll start investing my money in other hobbies. And I agree that it matches well with most outfits, the watch is so pretty itself that it just doesn't matter what colors your wear.
I agree with you, that I usually don't worry too much about colours matching, however another option is to go monochromatic. The alpinist goes nicely with a plain white shirt, and goes extremely well with black everything. In fact plain black accentuates the green and both metallic colours; the silver case and gold numbers/indices. Love your videos. Keep up the great work.
Interesting comment re. the green color. I am also into hats, especially (vintage style) fedoras. In the hat world green is considered one of the more universal colors to wear. I concur and think this watch goes well with most clothing. Really funny comments re. some of the color and style combinations I see daily in public!
The sarb017 is selling for 500 brand new, I haven't seen a single one sell for more than that unless it came with the bracelet. Where are you seeing them sell for 700? There's a difference between them being listed for 700 and actually selling
(Read Description) - Yes, folks are selling these on eBay for exorbitant prices. The larger issue is that more folks are *listing* these at ever MORE ridiculous prices, which gives everyone else the idea to raise their prices and... Well, you see where this is going. The domino effect has already started. Hopefully, as I stated at the end of this video, prices will level out reasonable enough to where purchasing this makes sense. I stated in the description, there are still a few listings at a $500+ on Amazon! That's where I bought mine. Yup... Thanks for watching.
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett Another thing, on 2 separate occasions I was riding my bike with my alpinist on and at the end of the ride I noticed it had gained like 20 minutes over the course of a 2 hour ride. I now just take it off before I ride. Have you had any similar experiences or do you think there is something wrong with mine? Other then those 2 occurrences it keeps great time.
Whoooaaaa, what? No... That's crazy. Never had that issue occur. Other than that, you say it's fine? Hmm, I wish I knew more about this, but I can't rightly say why that occurred. None of my watches have ever skipped a beat on my rides, the Alpinist included. On the whole, it loses about 10 seconds a day, that's about the biggest, day-to-day issue with it.
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett Yeah mine also looses about 10 -15 seconds a day and has been rock solid for the year that I've owned it other than those 2 rides, I should also mention that I've probably taken it on 50 rides with no issues. Thought it was a fluke the first time, but after it happened again I decided to leave it at home for the rides which is a shame cause I wanted this to be my daily watch that I basically never took off. If it happens again I'll have to have it checked out.
I bought one of these from Japan before 3 years for just about 350 £ Today I happend to check the price in UK, and it is 650£ !!! Working out to be a good investment, and on road to a real classic!!!
Even at 500 it is still cheaper than a Presage or Prospex with same movement. I would say the next Alpinist won't have the 6R15 movement or it will be way more expensive.
Feel like your thoughts on this video is spot on. Was able to grab a new one at $355.00 last month and am enjoying its wrist time. I've swapped it among three different straps and for me it ticks all the boxes.
You say the price for the Alpinist is high. I bought this watch new in Norway last year, and I had to pay the equivalent of about $760. Yeah, Norwegian prices are ridiculous, but that’s the norm here in Norway. However, I love my Alpinist, and wear it every day. Changed out the original strap with a Hirsch LUCCA Tuscan in brown. Great combination 👍🏻👍🏻🇳🇴
I bet that combination is great! No kidding, huh? You appreciate the value at over $700. That speaks volumes to the quality of this piece. Stateside, there was a time these were selling for $250-275 steadily. I suppose we’re fortunate in that regard.
I just purchased the Alpinist at the end of March 2018. The cheapest price I could find was on Amazon at $544. Wish I had seen the one you got for $350! But, I don't regret having paid that much because I really like the watch. It's a great change-up from all of my other pieces, which sport white, silver, black and blue dials. I think it is a unique looking piece. Also, the size is perfect for my 6.5-inch wrist. I am a fan of the 6R15 movement. I' love wearing the Alpinist and your thought about it being too perfect might just apply here.
I also jumped on the Alpinist band wagon when they first were discontinued (luckily was able to purchase it for $375). The detail of the case brushing/ polish is fantastic. I actually like the mix of brushed and polished surfaces. I do like the polished bezel, but I have heard that the watch bezel dings/ scratches easily. I believe that with the quality and features of the watch, $500 is a fair price. The watch was a bargain at $350! In any case, great review Patrick!
This was one of those watches that was super hyped but at the same time I was never interested in. Not fond of green watches, not enough lume and the compass feature is pretty useless for the overwhelming majority of people. A 2nd time zone or countdown bezel in lieu of the compass would’ve at least made it livable.
I don't know if they plan to revisit/revamp this design, but I'd settle for a single crown, stainless steel brushed chapter ring... I'd be happy with just that. The options you bring up would be great too. Honestly, this watch with options in regards to what that ring designates would be great all around.
I hate the Alpinist. I've got the Alpinist - wear it every day. For me, nothing else compares to its superb combination of unique looks, quality and value (Explorer, lovely - not at that price). So I am done with watches.Thanks a bunch, Seiko. Cheers Jez
Great video... again! I love this watch. I purchased it about a year ago for about $325. I have mine currently on a brown harris tweed Vario strap and it looks amazing. I agree about the gold and green paring. I love the compass feature... but that is my one complaint, it moves so easy and should be a screw down.
'Apologies if this has already been covered in the Comments but I presume the screw-down winding crown seals into an internal seating, whereas the compass crown pinion engages in a rack around the compass scale, which is (again presumably) outside the water-resistant movement housing.
This has not been asked and I haven't dismantled the piece so I couldn't rightly say, but if it's anything similar to the internal timer on the 6139 I own, it simply engages the ring via the crown/stem assembly, two-step process. It's seated and cannot be pulled out, so likely sealed via the tubing where the crown stem meets it. I didn't notice a particular question in your inquiry, but I hope this helps. (If this is to do with the WR Rating, you're safe. I've taken this in the water many a time with no issues).
The 4r movement is better than the 6r by all accounts. I have a 4r39a Seiko that was bought for me. I scratched the Hardlex in the first week and don't wear it much. I am too clumsy for Hardlex and too broke for saphire. I wear a cheap Komandurskie mostly. So cheap, tough, blue and simple. Suits me.
Honestly, I’ll take acrylic over sapphire any day of the week. Most of my vintage watches use acrylic crystal, which is far easier to polish up and repair than mineral or sapphire. Not missing out on that front.
It's interesting regarding the movement noise. I've noticed the alpinist is more audible than my Sarx033 and previous SBDC051, so have the 6R15. I wonder if it's the diashock or caseback design on the alpinist that makes it more noticeable.
I love my Alpinist but I agree that anything much above $500 is too much. I think where it is right now (~$500 on Amazon and other markets that I've seen) is right on the edge. From a supply and demand standpoint I don't see this watch going back down to $400, especially since Seiko has not announced a replacement Alpinist model for this year. The mere fact that this watch is so unusual will probably keep it higher for the collectors. Thanks for your review!
i've got a brand new alpinist, in the box. bought it soon as news broke and before price went nuts. sitting there because i'm wondering how to wear that thing....great video! time to take off the plastic and start rocking the green.
Yes, but you missed one thing, and it might bother everyone lol, but for the most part, I felt the same way tho, EXCEPT for one thing. I kinda like hearing mine wind up when I move my hand. It's kinda steampunkish, but it did completely freak me out at first. I thought something was loose, but it grew on me. Something I think you missed is the compass bezel. If you move north to the 6 o'clock position, you'll notice some of the cardinal directions don't line up where they should be (symmetrically). (Not talking about how they move throughout the day.) Also, something idk about, but should the hour-hand be dead on the number when, for example, its 12 o'clock? Cause I'm pretty sure my hour hand is not aligned. Other than that, I freakin love this watch.
I didn't notice an issue with the cardinal directions on my, but I can say that the hand and minute if properly applied should line up identically when they touch 12 o'clock. That fix could be done quite easily, but sometimes you'll receive misalignments of that sort.
I did find matching a strap a little difficult ended up buying the official bracelet. I have only a couple of unnoticeable scratches to the bezel after a couple years so no problem there. These two part reviews you do are very clever you can address comments from the 1st video very well.
I enjoy the conversation. It'd be easier to bang these out without taking in commentary, haha; but that's no fun. My main goals for the Channel were to: 1. Speak about pieces I have actual experience with, and 2. Share in a conversation. I get to do both now. Very happy.
The mania never died down haha. I’m so close to buying a new old stock for a little over 1,000 on eBay with authentication, because the prospex cyclops just rubs me the wrong way. But I would probably be so stressed and unsure after winning the bid.
Really well thought, and a blue dial version would have been so much better, sans any clashy gold and yellow hues. And I hate the compass ring, and the way they did it like that. I think the Rolex Kermit, HULKS et al probably only work best with very, very casual clothing.
Nice review Patrick! Given how the prices for this watch are behaving I may have to sell it - it's so rare that one can actually profit on a watch! RE: Style - I have worn this watch in semi-regular rotation since I really need to be in the mood for a green dial. In my opinion it works best on silver/gray as they tone down the green which gives it a broader neutrality. My favourite strap options are a light gray zulu, phenomenato gray but its at its best on the oem bracelet. If you're into leather straps(I'm not) tan in my experience plays with the green and gilt best.
This makes me feel better. I’m thinking about getting an undone neptune in rose gold/green dial. But was worried about the green/gold combo. It’s looks awesome though.
Little too small my biggest minus whit alpinist but after strapcode bracelet it get little bigger and made big difference.. I am fat dude.. 8 months in hand mainly.. Not bored yeat
great review Patrick. I love the green dial but other than that, have never been drawn to this model. the internal compass is totally irrelevant. it's easy to find NORTH with any watch if you can see where the sun is sitting in the sky.
I love mine. This price is getting out there. I don’t try to match it with my clothes, should stand out. Brown leather looks good, BUT A SCREAMING GREEN NATO, that’s my favorite.
Interested in your point about the rattle. I've never been aware of a rattle, but after your comment I tried it under different conditions, close to my ear etc, but couldn't hear it. On the price I wondered if some were putting much higher prices on a couple of watches so that the lower high prices would be jumped at.
Excellent review and I agree with all your pros and cons. I do have to say that I own a sarb033 and an 017 and to be honest I like the 033 more, it just feels more expensive, well built, better size, more refined, Rolex even and I quite like the bracelet other than the huge gap at the clasp. Anyyyyyways I’m curious as to why you think the prices will level out at $500 usd, the monster was similar in popularity and supply and it is hitting $400-600 for a used one for the gen 2/3 and I think the alpinist is a much superior watch. I also have to agree with you on the bezel, I had to get it refinished first week I bought it and I put a bit of a gouge in it and now have another scuff, both at 12. It’s absolutely beautiful finishing but it’s just not practical. Anyways I have to mention again how amazing the sarb033 sits on the wrist, it truly is absolutely excellent, other than the lume in the hands I think plain hands like the Sary equivalent look a lot more fitting.
I think the abundance of Alpinist models and lack of actual desire will see it leveling out around $500 as it settles and sells out. Everyone and their Grandma has a SARB017 for sale. The Monsters didn’t seem to be as abundantly available. I’ve never had a SARB033 in person. Always loved the look of them.
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett fair enough, I didn't realize the supply difference between the Alpinist and monster. I'd highly recommend the sarb033, in person it really does look like a Rolex Explorer or something like that. I think if I could only have 1 watch I own it would be that one. I also have very small wrists (6 1/4) to the 38mm size is perfect for me.
They are on ebay for under 500 right now New! Several are at $489 I do love mine but do agree with visibility for some like myself (older gents) I sometimes cannot see the freaking date at all, but other than that great watch!
Yeah, the "good" prices are still available. The larger issue is that they've only risen as of late... Once all the sub $500's are gone and *one person* buys over that? They won't cease to rise or drop until everyone's cashed in. This trend always happens with discontinuation announcements. Remember the price hikes on the SKX when that apparently was discontinued? Heck, that'll be the new marketing strategy, haha. Just say they're going away and folk clamor for them. Particularly Seiko.
I dont think the prices are ever going to come down on the alpinist. It is too unique, there really is no other watch to "scratch that itch" as an alternative, and with seiko moving the 6R15 higher up the food chain, considering the features on the alpinist it makes sense at 600 bucks. Glad I got mine when they were sub 400!
Screw down crowns.... Elliot Brown, the British smart tool watch company feature 200m and 300m watches which do not have screw down crowns, instead they have an extremely well seated triple ring sealed propriety system. They view screw down crowns as a weak spot as statistically, the number one repair that customers require for screw down crown watches is water ingress due to the inadvertent cross threading of a screw down crown by the customer. This can be extremely easy to do with some watches even if great care is taken. Yes, the movement can typically be replaced/serviced and cleaned when exposed to water but the damage to the dial and indices, especially lume can be disastrous. The Elliot Brown system is fantastic, Damasko have a similar propriety system which comes with screw down as well as a seal
I love the style of the Alpinist. However, I don’t see the utility of a compass internal bezel. I would use a bezel made for elapsed time, even when not diving. Before me hearing started fading with age, the loud movement would have driven me nuts. Now I doubt I would hear it at all. I agree, the hands on the Alpinist are a good stylistic fit. Keep up the great reviews!
Damn, that's some high praise... Those Hulks are gorgeous. You like the fit/quality of those StrapCode Angus Bracelets? I haven't purchased from them in a long while.
Regarding your experience with the polished bezel- EXACT same happen to me. First day I wore it I was gesticulating at a draftsman's desk and smacked his steel desk lamp with the watch. Nice hairline scratch a 10:30. I try to look past it. Data point- I bought mine via Amazon for $410 back in Oct '17.
So, I'm seeing a lot of folks don't read the *show notes/description.* Which is fine. However, to answer some questions regarding price: folks are selling these on eBay/Forums/Online Vendors for exorbitant prices. The larger issue is that *more folks* are listing these at ever *MORE* ridiculous prices, which gives everyone else the idea to *raise their prices* and... Well, you see where this is going. It doesn't matter if they *sell* or *don't sell.* The domino effect has already started. Hopefully, as I stated at the end of this video, prices will level out reasonably enough to where purchasing this makes sense again. I stated in the description, there are still a few listings at $500+ on Amazon (April, 2018)! That's where I bought mine (for $350). Yup... Thanks for watching!
Patrick you got a steal! Enjoy it and never get rid of it. So far my best Seiko hands down. Very few watches with this value proposition. I've just ordered a Benchmark Green Oiled Leather Nato Strap for it.
I got mine from seiyajapan for $416 and I thought it was a steal compared to the tax thats going on... You got lucky!
Well said sir!......in total agreement...:) You'd be foolish to pay more than $450 imho...
I've been wearing mine everyday about 40 days and it's still losing 12-25 seconds a day. Does anyone experience this or does it get better over time? I don't want to return it because rebuying it now is out of the question 😅
Robert Williams keep wearing it. If it will not get better you can have it adjusted. Try leaving it over night dial down on a flat surface :)
If Seiko had used silver instead of gold, we simply would not be talking about the Alpinest at all! The green and gold are that which make this watch iconic- which, I believe, it truly is today.
*Agreed*
mrfuriouser.....Yes.. Agreed.
Like no one talks about the red Alpinist. Awesome watch but rarely brought up.
Dale Taylor Jr. Bingo! Great example.
100%
Green is one of the basic neutral tones...at least Mother Nature uses green in almost all other color combinations in the landscape.
The reason nature is green is because it's a useless wavelength for photosynthesis. Nature is just getting rid of a color it has no use for :)
@@nevuxxx same could be said for the blue sky.
2 and a half years later, purchased it anyways...love it! :)
I've had mine for a little over 3-years and LOVE it. Plus since it was discontinued the value has continued to rise.
Don't worry bout me. I am keeping mine! i love it and plan to hand it down my one boy who loves green.
As for clothing? I wear it with everything. It especially contracts well with my purple shirts. It's just good looking. I am a Middle School teacher so my fashion, and lack thereof, gets kids attention. Who cares if it matches. I like wearing it!
Hahaha, exactly what you said is my philosophy! If I enjoy wearing it, who cares if it wears "well" with my look (thing is... It always does).
I absolutely love my alpinist.
I think you should have your watch looked at, at a repair shop. I've had my Alpinist for about a year. It's never ever been noisy. I love everything about it.
Mine is not noisy either. Neither are my Sarb033/035.
If you are concerned about water damage don't be! I spent 3 days at a water park and was wearing my Alpinist every step of the way!
I agree , once I had this watch the SPB210 version, I instantly knew why this should be a Seiko in your collection or if this would be the only Seiko in your collection. Just plain awesome 👏
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this beautiful watch.
One thing I’ve noticed that might help you to love this watch even more :
I’ve put mine on a leather NATO strap, and .... it reduces the noise of the movement drastically, and it’s pretty indeed. I hope this helps.
I have to say it also look awesome on the leather strap you have chosen for it.
Dark and navy blue straps also go well with green dials. Also, in low light, the gilt hands and numerals catch whatever light is present really, really well. So I really don't agree with those people saying that it's difficult to tell the time in such conditions.
Finally, the watch actually measures quite a bit over 39mm at it's narrowest diameter, despite Seiko's own specs stating 38mm.
Patrick great style guide on the straps. It was interesting to see the Alpinist with those other color straps. Many I would have never, thought to pair with but they looked great. I fell immeditaely in love with the green distressed leather strap from Colareb when I saw it in one of TGV's videos, then began to love the way it looks with both Oyster and Jubilee bracelet straps. It is truly remarkable how it really can look different just be changing straps.
Just bought one. Awaiting delivery. I paid too much for it, definately, but I really wanted it and I'm going to wear the hell out of it. All the watches I own or have owned for the last two decades have black dials, and until recently the thought of any trace of gold on me was abhorring, but there is something about this combination that compelled me to buy it, even though I've never seen it in the wild. The strap will go off even before I put it on my wrist for the first time. It's as ugly as it looks plain and simply uncomfortable on any picture. A cognac nubuck is awaiting it. There is no reason why you could not wear this on any color formal, casual or sporty outfit. I Love You, Seiko.
Hahaha, a true Seikoholic. Right there with you. I really do enjoy having this watch in the collection.
Ye I was baited by the title but I liked the Idea of the Alpinist taking over a collection. I had an Orient Mako II which was my first automatic watch and I used that thing tons. Even destroyed the crystal at work once then got all the tools and replaced it with a sapphire crystal. Then one day I saw the Alpinist on Amazon and had to have it. After months of saving up it was all I ever wore when I got it. Eventually I realized I hadn't worn my Mako for months. So I ended up choosing to sell the Mako and just be a 1 watch guy.
Have this for around a month now. this was the only watch that my friends took notice directly when I wore a new watch (I already wore 2 new junghans watches and they failed to notice them).
You will appreciate the green dial when you see it in person. It's special, seriously.
It's $1000 NOS with papers now. Insane, but I might get one.
Yeah, $950 on eBay. Considering pulling the trigger on one also.
Crazy! I got mine for $350 in 2015.
I've loved this watch since I first saw it about 3 years ago. I didn't have the money for it back then but was hoping to pick one up sometime in the near future. Unfortunately they exorbitant prices at the moment are making me reconsider my options.
Loved watching this, this was your most entertaining review yet! Also LOVE the Alpinist!!
Good job calling out the easily scratched bezel!
I love my SARB017; it's my first mechanical watch. After a month of daily wear I noticed a lot of minor scuffs, then one day I bumped a concrete wall. The minor contact gouged the bezel right alongside the crystal, but the crystal still looks perfect. It bothered me for a time. So much so that I bought another Alpinist for $400 (delivered) just before they were discontinued.
Well, I've gotten over it. I just love the classy, shiny bezel too much, and I know that if I replace my watch the new one will be scuffed within a month. Heck, you could drop my Alpinist in a bag with 100 others and I can pick mine out by the dings and scratches.
I've decided to sell the new watch and get a Hamilton Khaki King instead. The silver dialed one is almost as beautiful as the SARB017... almost.
Easily one of the most articulate, perceptive and rational reviews of the Alpinist published so far and your very salient point on the inflated price bubble should be noted . This is a watch to be worn and enjoyed day to day and as an owner I agree yes it is a little scratch prone, and the compass chapter ring could do with being of a much stiffer resistance/ friction lock.The noisy rotor however does seem to be a variable as in our group we have many examples (my own piece included) where its barely noticeable. Dress wise on a good leather vintage aviator it will go equally well from with a business suit (where it ceases to be an accessory and becomes a feature), to dress down casual and with age and patina on the strap, even the small scratches bestow a provenance on the combination. Alternatively paired with a good stainless bracelet (my own choice being the Strapcode Oyster which imho doesnt overpower the watch like the Jubilee option?) It becomes smart on any occasion, practical and durable. Yes I know theres an awful lot of hype about this piece but in honesty it does have a quality whether by design or accident of becoming a strangely comfortable companion to live with. Not everyones cup of tea,.. but theres an awful lot of us out there who love ours.... ;)
2 years on and this watch is still 🔥
these are selling for around $950 CAD ($730 USD) in my area now
I was in Japan recently and was open minded about picking one up. I found one at a normal price but it just didn't sing to me and I dont really want to buy just to sell at profit. I bought an SKX J model instead and I love it. Even though I have a seamaster and a Sub the Seiko just looks great!
love the issues that are pointed out. always appreciate your in depth reviews. keep up the great work Pat!
Thanks brother!
The compass bezel doesn't need to be screw down. Water cannot get into the movement or watch case from that crown. Plus, 6r15 movements can be noisy or perfectly silent.
Right. The screw-down crown is needed to prevent the regular crown from being pulled out unintentionally. All crowns are water-tight when pushed in, all crowns leak when pulled out. The function of the screw-down is to prevent this.
The compass crown can't get pulled out. There's no need for a screw-down to prevent it.
Broke down and bought the expensive SBDC093 (Champagne/Gilt) - unbelievable beauty! Crock band for dress, one-pass nylon NATO for outdoor adventure... yes, this can be the one “do all” watch with style and class!👌
The green sunburst dial is the beauty of this watch. Its the cherry on the cake. This watch is primarily a field watch which is somewhere between a field to a formal watch. But not really a dress watch. The green color goes well wth a Polo/Khaki wardrobe in summers. The OEM brown leather strap is perfect for the watch. The complain about the absence of lume holds up since i treat this watch as a field watch. The 6R15 movement is surprisingly accurate. The compass crown needs a screwed down crown. The rest is pretty much okay. Great videos but i miss the Clock, Stock & Barrel days. Also, u need to up ur wardrobe game. Ditch these orange tees for Polo shirts, solid casual shirts and maybe even a jacket once in a while. We all know that Seiko is increasing prices on the 6R15 movements and thats why 3 SARBs hv been discontinued in addition to the SARG009.
Haha, I know my attire can be drab, but my apartment is usually 80+ degrees (I don't control heating), so you may have to suffer through t-shirts. Try to keep it casual here. Aye, CS&B was fun, learned a lot and I think the content I'm providing now is gravy. The little lume that is there works fine for me, though I can see it being an issue for some (lowlight visibility). Definitely happy with the purchase (evening wear it now!).
Nice review Patrick. You know what? After check many youtube channels dedicated to horology I realized that the watch aficonados are the most passionete and some of the most coolest guys in youtube. Thanx for sharing your pasion and your knowledge.
Hey, thank you! I really appreciate that... This Channel has been a joy to produce. Glad it’s received well. Be well and have a great weekend.
I bought the Alpinist a couple of months ago from Japan. It still sits in its box and has never been worn. Before buying, I really liked this watch and I just had to have one. But upon receiving it, though, I was disappointed. To me, it just didn't have the same presence as seen in photos and videos; to me it wears smaller than its 39mm size. But now it's hard to part with the Alpinist because it is a very well made watch for its price point, and it does have a certain panache that isn't found in other watches. Alas, there are other watches I'd like to own and I won't buy another until I decide what to do with this one.
I say: *sell it.* Honestly, if it's not immediately vibing with you. These days, I go with my gut reaction when I receive a watch. I am starting to have too many in the rotation, so if ever I run into a piece that I know won't see enough wrist time, or likely won't be worn, I turn it around then. I love my Alpinist because it offers me something different my collection does not have and more personally as a collector: this is an important watch. If they continue the line, this will be the one that people note as putting the "Alpinist" on the map. If they don't continue the (mechanical) line, this will be the last made.
kevnorcal If you do decide to part with it, I'd be willing to take it off your hands! Ever since my granddad's Seiko gave up on me I've been looking for a new timepiece, and this watch just looks absolutely stunning to me. Message me if you're interested!
The main purpose of a screw down crown on a diver watch is to prevent accidentally pulling the crown out and changing or stopping the time. The secondary purpose is additional water resistance. Jump in a pool with your crown unscrewed on any 200m water, and nothing should happen. The main purpose for a screw down crown on this watch is simply grins and giggles; the oring is doing all the work.
I was looking at this watch in the $350.00 dollar range, then the news hit it was being discontinued ,I bought my Sarbo 17 for 425.00. I believe the watch is valued good in this range.
I think you missed it a little as to the price. The Alpinist was under priced to start with, that's why Seiko discontinued it along with the rest of the SARB line. Everything with the 6r15 movement is now priced higher. I say if you want one buy it and buy it now. The Alpinist will hold it's value because of its uniqueness and versatility along with the fact it does have that 6r15 movement. Once the cat was out of the bag about this beautiful watch demand has done nothing but climb and now it's no longer made. Supply and demand will dictate the future value.
Hmm, *duly noted.* This watch has had amazing coverage for years before me and I'm sure it'll still be discussed years after, until the next model arrives (and I'm certain even after that). You're absolutely right though. It boasted headline features for the brand and a moderately sized chassis that most anyone could wear comfortably. I believe the prices hit their low point as these were saturating the market. As discussed in Part One, the SARB013/15/17 were all released in 2006 (twelve years ago!). It's little wonder why they became so affordable. No idea what Seiko's overhead was on these, but whatever the initial cost these are certainly only going to see a further rise in price on the market. That's certain. My timing for this purchase couldn't have been more fortuitous.
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett maybe the first time I bought something on the dip. YAY ME!!!
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett I stumbled across the Alpinist here on UA-cam a little over a year ago and was so taken by it I just had to have it. Patrick I would have paid $1000 for it, I still can't get past how good it looks. I realize it's not for everyone but considering it has a world wide fan page on Facebook I don't think I'm alone. Lol
Another point, you see so many on the market because they paid $300 for it and can now sell it for $450 or higher.
I’ve had this watch for about two years at this point. I’m in the camp that this watch was an INSANE value before. As in WAY underpriced.
The fist taste wasn’t free but I don’t balk at pricy Seikos either. At double it’s original price, the SARB 017 is still a bargain.
I disagree. There are so many out there that it won't hold it's value long term. This isn't a limited edition Seiko, there are tons of these out in the market both new and used.
I got into the Alpinist game late, paid $468 for one from Japan. Personally, I think its an amazing looking watch a real head turner.
Judging by the comments its a "marmite" watch - I wouldn't want one as a gift myself but it'd be boring if we all liked the same thing! Interesting to hear your perspective tho. Cheers Pat 👍
Going on 6 years since I bought mine 🥲
It was $340 back then. I was surprised to see what it’s going for now. I don’t collect watches so I’m going to hang onto this and see how the values grows.
£450 and upwards .....I've just bought 1
after watching your review, i like my alpinist more and i also just noticed the golden date frame.
I've been considering this watch for about 12 months now. My instinct when I heard it was being discontinied was to buy. I saw one on ebay for over $2000 ASD yesterday which is just ridiculous. Guess I'll wait and see if the prices settle at a more reasonable level. Loved the review. Keep it up.
Cam Macca keep checking seiya japan everyday. They sold out but every now and then he gets another one and he sells them for $416. I checked three days ago and he had one, I just checked before writing this comment and he sold it. Just keep checking he keeps getting them.
Way late to this video, but love the content. I’m currently pining over the spb121j1, as it’s almost identical to the sarb017 but with the upgraded 6r35 movement and the addition of the Cyclops for the date and the see through case back. I see the sarb017’s are going now for insane prices, sometimes over $2k. I wonder if the spb121 will follow the same trend. Either way, I just find the styling of these green alpinists absolutely stunning and really want to add one to my collection. I really enjoyed your little style guide section of the video. It further sold me on the wearability of the watch because I have also read a lot of people complaining about it not being compatible with people’s wardrobes.
The SPB121 actually isn't quite as similar as you think to the sarb. It's got a different tone dial and Slightly thicker. Among the other things you mentioned It didn't have the same character as the sarb in my opinion so I ended up forking up the asking price for a sarb
In theory the 6R35 is "upgraded", but so far the 6R15 is better in practice. It's a bit more stable.
Not sure why people worry about getting a watch wet that has a 20 bar water resistance! I often wear my Sarb 033 in the shower to clean it and also swim with it. The Sarb 033 has a 10 bar rating without a screw in crown. With a 20 bar rating there is zero chance of water getting into this watch with normal day to day use! The pressure at 200m below sea level is extreme. At sea level there is a pressure of 14.7 PSI at 200m below sea level it increases by 290 PSI.
This watch is so beautiful the way it is. So distinct and unique that it has it's niche admirers. They can bring some color options with the new if they are planning one
Hey Pat, I got my Alpinist about a year ago, and I bought a Strapcode metal bracelet for it. It looks killer now and it will always be with me. I did pay $380 for it and it comes to about $500 now. I think that at $500 on Amazon it is still a great buy!!!
I’ve had a SARB017 for several months. It is a great watch. It was a steal at $360, but it is still a good deal at $500 new. You can’t another watch with a 6r15 for under $650.
Nope. That's one of those things that make (made) this quite special. $500 is still good, for sure.
SARX045 is around $580.
The price is still going up 3 years later. I paid $500 for it, it’s actually the cheapest I’ve ever seen for the last little while
I disagree about the noise I find mine very quiet and it runs two seconds fast a day, but the tiny date box and compass are totally redundant. A really versatile watch which I've worn with a suite as well as jeans and polo shirt. Nice vid Patrick.
I wonder if the rotor noise is hit and miss. I remember my SARB035 being loud enough to annoy me while I was driving. I believe that was the same movement.
Vegan Dinner I have four 6R15 watches, all are silent. Accuracy varies based on how wound I keep them, how much I wear them and how they're stored (usually dial-up in a watchbox) but typically they run anywhere from 2 to 10 seconds/day either way. They all sit next to a Casio radio atomic G-Shock Square so it's always easy to gauge how the automatics are doing.
Vegan Dinner , I hope you’re not actually wearing a suite, a suit would be much more comfortable!
Got mine in December of 2016 and it's my favorite in my collection.
It's even got me so far as considering selling my current collection of watches (aside from the Alpinist) and seeing if my interest in buying watches remains.
If not, my Sarb017 will be my one and only watch and I'll start investing my money in other hobbies.
And I agree that it matches well with most outfits, the watch is so pretty itself that it just doesn't matter what colors your wear.
Paid 39,000 Yen for one straight from Japan, right after the announcement of discontinuation.
I agree with you, that I usually don't worry too much about colours matching, however another option is to go monochromatic. The alpinist goes nicely with a plain white shirt, and goes extremely well with black everything. In fact plain black accentuates the green and both metallic colours; the silver case and gold numbers/indices. Love your videos. Keep up the great work.
$425 on Amazon in 2020. Not into straps. Invested another hundred in an angus jubilee and it looks like a million. Luv my Alpi!
Interesting comment re. the green color. I am also into hats, especially (vintage style) fedoras. In the hat world green is considered one of the more universal colors to wear. I concur and think this watch goes well with most clothing. Really funny comments re. some of the color and style combinations I see daily in public!
The sarb017 is selling for 500 brand new, I haven't seen a single one sell for more than that unless it came with the bracelet. Where are you seeing them sell for 700? There's a difference between them being listed for 700 and actually selling
(Read Description) - Yes, folks are selling these on eBay for exorbitant prices. The larger issue is that more folks are *listing* these at ever MORE ridiculous prices, which gives everyone else the idea to raise their prices and... Well, you see where this is going. The domino effect has already started. Hopefully, as I stated at the end of this video, prices will level out reasonable enough to where purchasing this makes sense. I stated in the description, there are still a few listings at a $500+ on Amazon! That's where I bought mine. Yup... Thanks for watching.
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett I was lucky enough to get mine before it was discontinued. Don't think I'll ever let it go. Great review!
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett Another thing, on 2 separate occasions I was riding my bike with my alpinist on and at the end of the ride I noticed it had gained like 20 minutes over the course of a 2 hour ride. I now just take it off before I ride. Have you had any similar experiences or do you think there is something wrong with mine? Other then those 2 occurrences it keeps great time.
Whoooaaaa, what? No... That's crazy. Never had that issue occur. Other than that, you say it's fine? Hmm, I wish I knew more about this, but I can't rightly say why that occurred. None of my watches have ever skipped a beat on my rides, the Alpinist included. On the whole, it loses about 10 seconds a day, that's about the biggest, day-to-day issue with it.
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett Yeah mine also looses about 10 -15 seconds a day and has been rock solid for the year that I've owned it other than those 2 rides, I should also mention that I've probably taken it on 50 rides with no issues. Thought it was a fluke the first time, but after it happened again I decided to leave it at home for the rides which is a shame cause I wanted this to be my daily watch that I basically never took off. If it happens again I'll have to have it checked out.
I bought one of these from Japan before 3 years for just about 350 £ Today I happend to check the price in UK, and it is 650£ !!! Working out to be a good investment, and on road to a real classic!!!
Definitely love your brown leather strap on this! Thank you!
Will never understand why they discontinued iconics models like this, the sarb033, black mm300, black and orange monster in one shot
Even at 500 it is still cheaper than a Presage or Prospex with same movement. I would say the next Alpinist won't have the 6R15 movement or it will be way more expensive.
great video! Just bought one with a strapcode jubilee.
Feel like your thoughts on this video is spot on. Was able to grab a new one at $355.00 last month and am enjoying its wrist time. I've swapped it among three different straps and for me it ticks all the boxes.
I agree the dial face, indices, hands are the best thing about this watch. Getting it in sunshine and it pops.
You say the price for the Alpinist is high. I bought this watch new in Norway last year, and I had to pay the equivalent of about $760. Yeah, Norwegian prices are ridiculous, but that’s the norm here in Norway. However, I love my Alpinist, and wear it every day. Changed out the original strap with a Hirsch LUCCA Tuscan in brown. Great combination 👍🏻👍🏻🇳🇴
I bet that combination is great! No kidding, huh? You appreciate the value at over $700. That speaks volumes to the quality of this piece. Stateside, there was a time these were selling for $250-275 steadily. I suppose we’re fortunate in that regard.
I just purchased the Alpinist at the end of March 2018. The cheapest price I could find was on Amazon at $544. Wish I had seen the one you got for $350! But, I don't regret having paid that much because I really like the watch. It's a great change-up from all of my other pieces, which sport white, silver, black and blue dials. I think it is a unique looking piece. Also, the size is perfect for my 6.5-inch wrist. I am a fan of the 6R15 movement. I' love wearing the Alpinist and your thought about it being too perfect might just apply here.
I also jumped on the Alpinist band wagon when they first were discontinued (luckily was able to purchase it for $375). The detail of the case brushing/ polish is fantastic. I actually like the mix of brushed and polished surfaces. I do like the polished bezel, but I have heard that the watch bezel dings/ scratches easily.
I believe that with the quality and features of the watch, $500 is a fair price. The watch was a bargain at $350!
In any case, great review Patrick!
Thank you brother! At $500, it's still a decent deal, but I feel bad for folks who wanted one and got caught up in the price-hike-mania-nonsense.
This was one of those watches that was super hyped but at the same time I was never interested in. Not fond of green watches, not enough lume and the compass feature is pretty useless for the overwhelming majority of people. A 2nd time zone or countdown bezel in lieu of the compass would’ve at least made it livable.
I don't know if they plan to revisit/revamp this design, but I'd settle for a single crown, stainless steel brushed chapter ring... I'd be happy with just that. The options you bring up would be great too. Honestly, this watch with options in regards to what that ring designates would be great all around.
Voodoo Six Exactly my reasoning for never seriously looking at this model. I would also add that I'm not a big fan of the cathedral style hands.
I hate the Alpinist. I've got the Alpinist - wear it every day. For me, nothing else compares to its superb combination of unique looks, quality and value (Explorer, lovely - not at that price). So I am done with watches.Thanks a bunch, Seiko.
Cheers
Jez
Lol ... uhuh ...
Get a seiko sumo. I wear that and my alpinist all the time.
So true! I’d sell my Rolex before my Alpinist. (I would never sell my Alpinist)
Great video... again! I love this watch. I purchased it about a year ago for about $325. I have mine currently on a brown harris tweed Vario strap and it looks amazing. I agree about the gold and green paring. I love the compass feature... but that is my one complaint, it moves so easy and should be a screw down.
Great review Patty. Loving the content and insight.
This is an fantastic channel. Thank you so much.
500 dollar is still a decent price for a new item ;)
$500 for a new one is good! Definitely. That's where the prices need to stay, haha. I hope they do as well.
'Apologies if this has already been covered in the Comments but I presume the screw-down winding crown seals into an internal seating, whereas the compass crown pinion engages in a rack around the compass scale, which is (again presumably) outside the water-resistant movement housing.
This has not been asked and I haven't dismantled the piece so I couldn't rightly say, but if it's anything similar to the internal timer on the 6139 I own, it simply engages the ring via the crown/stem assembly, two-step process. It's seated and cannot be pulled out, so likely sealed via the tubing where the crown stem meets it. I didn't notice a particular question in your inquiry, but I hope this helps. (If this is to do with the WR Rating, you're safe. I've taken this in the water many a time with no issues).
I really love how the watch looks and I'm therefore interested in buying one. Do you think it would fit a 6 inch wrist?
The 4r movement is better than the 6r by all accounts.
I have a 4r39a Seiko that was bought for me.
I scratched the Hardlex in the first week and don't wear it much.
I am too clumsy for Hardlex and too broke for saphire.
I wear a cheap Komandurskie mostly.
So cheap, tough, blue and simple. Suits me.
Honestly, I’ll take acrylic over sapphire any day of the week. Most of my vintage watches use acrylic crystal, which is far easier to polish up and repair than mineral or sapphire. Not missing out on that front.
It's interesting regarding the movement noise. I've noticed the alpinist is more audible than my Sarx033 and previous SBDC051, so have the 6R15. I wonder if it's the diashock or caseback design on the alpinist that makes it more noticeable.
I love my Alpinist but I agree that anything much above $500 is too much. I think where it is right now (~$500 on Amazon and other markets that I've seen) is right on the edge. From a supply and demand standpoint I don't see this watch going back down to $400, especially since Seiko has not announced a replacement Alpinist model for this year. The mere fact that this watch is so unusual will probably keep it higher for the collectors. Thanks for your review!
i've got a brand new alpinist, in the box. bought it soon as news broke and before price went nuts. sitting there because i'm wondering how to wear that thing....great video! time to take off the plastic and start rocking the green.
Henry M. Get it our. Change the strap. Enjoy it.
Interested in selling(If you still have it)?
Yes, but you missed one thing, and it might bother everyone lol, but for the most part, I felt the same way tho, EXCEPT for one thing. I kinda like hearing mine wind up when I move my hand. It's kinda steampunkish, but it did completely freak me out at first. I thought something was loose, but it grew on me.
Something I think you missed is the compass bezel. If you move north to the 6 o'clock position, you'll notice some of the cardinal directions don't line up where they should be (symmetrically). (Not talking about how they move throughout the day.)
Also, something idk about, but should the hour-hand be dead on the number when, for example, its 12 o'clock? Cause I'm pretty sure my hour hand is not aligned.
Other than that, I freakin love this watch.
I didn't notice an issue with the cardinal directions on my, but I can say that the hand and minute if properly applied should line up identically when they touch 12 o'clock. That fix could be done quite easily, but sometimes you'll receive misalignments of that sort.
I have a brown and a green leather nato so far. Love this watch.
A great Swiss alternative is the Oris Big Crown Green Dial.
Beautiful watch agreed,, but 3-4 x the price?...
Prefer the Sarb all day. But to each there own. Get what speaks to you, what it is all about.
I did find matching a strap a little difficult ended up buying the official bracelet. I have only a couple of unnoticeable scratches to the bezel after a couple years so no problem there. These two part reviews you do are very clever you can address comments from the 1st video very well.
I enjoy the conversation. It'd be easier to bang these out without taking in commentary, haha; but that's no fun. My main goals for the Channel were to: 1. Speak about pieces I have actual experience with, and 2. Share in a conversation. I get to do both now. Very happy.
The mania never died down haha. I’m so close to buying a new old stock for a little over 1,000 on eBay with authentication, because the prospex cyclops just rubs me the wrong way. But I would probably be so stressed and unsure after winning the bid.
What a beautiful watch. Great video once again.
*Thank you!*
Really well thought, and a blue dial version would have been so much better, sans any clashy gold and yellow hues. And I hate the compass ring, and the way they did it like that. I think the Rolex Kermit, HULKS et al probably only work best with very, very casual clothing.
Nice review Patrick!
Given how the prices for this watch are behaving I may have to sell it - it's so rare that one can actually profit on a watch!
RE: Style - I have worn this watch in semi-regular rotation since I really need to be in the mood for a green dial. In my opinion it works best on silver/gray as they tone down the green which gives it a broader neutrality. My favourite strap options are a light gray zulu, phenomenato gray but its at its best on the oem bracelet.
If you're into leather straps(I'm not) tan in my experience plays with the green and gilt best.
This makes me feel better. I’m thinking about getting an undone neptune in rose gold/green dial. But was worried about the green/gold combo. It’s looks awesome though.
The polished bezel is incongruous for a supposedly semi rugged tool match . Good point on it being proned to scratches
Little too small my biggest minus whit alpinist but after strapcode bracelet it get little bigger and made big difference.. I am fat dude.. 8 months in hand mainly.. Not bored yeat
great review Patrick. I love the green dial but other than that, have never been drawn to this model. the internal compass is totally irrelevant. it's easy to find NORTH with any watch if you can see where the sun is sitting in the sky.
As of August 24, 2020. The Sarb 017 is available on Amazon for $445.99 with free shipping.
I love mine. This price is getting out there. I don’t try to match it with my clothes, should stand out. Brown leather looks good, BUT A SCREAMING GREEN NATO, that’s my favorite.
Interested in your point about the rattle. I've never been aware of a rattle, but after your comment I tried it under different conditions, close to my ear etc, but couldn't hear it.
On the price I wondered if some were putting much higher prices on a couple of watches so that the lower high prices would be jumped at.
Excellent review and I agree with all your pros and cons. I do have to say that I own a sarb033 and an 017 and to be honest I like the 033 more, it just feels more expensive, well built, better size, more refined, Rolex even and I quite like the bracelet other than the huge gap at the clasp.
Anyyyyyways I’m curious as to why you think the prices will level out at $500 usd, the monster was similar in popularity and supply and it is hitting $400-600 for a used one for the gen 2/3 and I think the alpinist is a much superior watch. I also have to agree with you on the bezel, I had to get it refinished first week I bought it and I put a bit of a gouge in it and now have another scuff, both at 12. It’s absolutely beautiful finishing but it’s just not practical.
Anyways I have to mention again how amazing the sarb033 sits on the wrist, it truly is absolutely excellent, other than the lume in the hands I think plain hands like the Sary equivalent look a lot more fitting.
I think the abundance of Alpinist models and lack of actual desire will see it leveling out around $500 as it settles and sells out. Everyone and their Grandma has a SARB017 for sale. The Monsters didn’t seem to be as abundantly available. I’ve never had a SARB033 in person. Always loved the look of them.
Take Time, w/Patrick Marlett fair enough, I didn't realize the supply difference between the Alpinist and monster. I'd highly recommend the sarb033, in person it really does look like a Rolex Explorer or something like that. I think if I could only have 1 watch I own it would be that one. I also have very small wrists (6 1/4) to the 38mm size is perfect for me.
They are on ebay for under 500 right now New! Several are at $489 I do love mine but do agree with visibility for some like myself (older gents)
I sometimes cannot see the freaking date at all, but other than that great watch!
Yeah, the "good" prices are still available. The larger issue is that they've only risen as of late... Once all the sub $500's are gone and *one person* buys over that? They won't cease to rise or drop until everyone's cashed in. This trend always happens with discontinuation announcements. Remember the price hikes on the SKX when that apparently was discontinued? Heck, that'll be the new marketing strategy, haha. Just say they're going away and folk clamor for them. Particularly Seiko.
I dont think the prices are ever going to come down on the alpinist. It is too unique, there really is no other watch to "scratch that itch" as an alternative, and with seiko moving the 6R15 higher up the food chain, considering the features on the alpinist it makes sense at 600 bucks. Glad I got mine when they were sub 400!
Great review Patrick, Thanks. Mine is on the way, i paid $460usd. I like the brown leather band you have on yours. Cheers
Nice! It’s a fun watch, wear it well.
Screw down crowns....
Elliot Brown, the British smart tool watch company feature 200m and 300m watches which do not have screw down crowns, instead they have an extremely well seated triple ring sealed propriety system. They view screw down crowns as a weak spot as statistically, the number one repair that customers require for screw down crown watches is water ingress due to the inadvertent cross threading of a screw down crown by the customer. This can be extremely easy to do with some watches even if great care is taken. Yes, the movement can typically be replaced/serviced and cleaned when exposed to water but the damage to the dial and indices, especially lume can be disastrous.
The Elliot Brown system is fantastic, Damasko have a similar propriety system which comes with screw down as well as a seal
TWEEEEED! Just wear tweed and this works perfectly!! :-)
20bar is rated for diving, would you recommend 100ft/30m of water on a non screw down crown?
I love the style of the Alpinist. However, I don’t see the utility of a compass internal bezel. I would use a bezel made for elapsed time, even when not diving. Before me hearing started fading with age, the loud movement would have driven me nuts. Now I doubt I would hear it at all. I agree, the hands on the Alpinist are a good stylistic fit. Keep up the great reviews!
I just bought a brand new one with tags and original box a month ago in ebay for $400.00. I'm talking about December 2020.
Alpinist with the Strapcode Angus Jubilee is the best! Looks almost as good as my Hulk!
Damn, that's some high praise... Those Hulks are gorgeous. You like the fit/quality of those StrapCode Angus Bracelets? I haven't purchased from them in a long while.
The Angus Jubilee is definitely worth it. The whole watch looks so much more expensive and elegant. The fit is perfect.
I spent $530 new from an AD. A lot of money for a watch, but pennies for my favorite watch of all time.
Regarding your experience with the polished bezel- EXACT same happen to me. First day I wore it I was gesticulating at a draftsman's desk and smacked his steel desk lamp with the watch. Nice hairline scratch a 10:30. I try to look past it. Data point- I bought mine via Amazon for $410 back in Oct '17.
Damn... Haha, it's a minor annoyance, but easily overcome... *just try not to look... at the scratch...*
Just got a new one from Amazon for $475 and it's worth every penny.
One correction: Modern lume doesn’t patina like radium. It keeps its color forever.
I scratched the bezel in less than an hour :))
Maybe something is wrong with you
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great video. I am actually thinking of getting one