I could see Starfleet pulling the Constellations out of mothballs after the first defeats and rearming them, but the ship Starfleet had in that role going into the war was the Cheyenne class. Think of the Crazy Horse helping the Enterprise D hunt the Borg ship in Descent. Mid-war, we saw the "sector 001" fleet which would have been the hot new designs, and that felt like the steamrunners were starting to replace the "Wolf 359" era Cheyenne class in the frontline attack role.
During the Dominion War on DS9, you didn't see much of the Intrepid Class. The only one that I remember seeing is the USS Bellerophon. That ship was the personal starship of Admiral Ross
They weren't very many of them. But the first episode of voyager does state. It's a warship. So it's definitely front line. It's got as many phaser banks almost as a Galaxy class. Would be a good command ship too. advanced sensors.
The Excelsior Class was capable of being so much more. For the Dominion war they were upgraded to wield Galaxy Class Firepower as seen on the USS Lakota. Not their standard payloads as you list here :)
During the episode sacrifice of an Angel. The excelsior class takes two shots. Akira take five and dies. Warbird and Galaxy class take over 5 and keep on going. 2 excelsior, 5 Akira, 5 + Galaxy. Just so you know the Lakota was upgraded because it's a Starfleet admiral ship. All Starfleet admirals can pick their own starship. I'm not aware of any evidence that all excelsior classes were built to Galaxy specifications. Do you have evidence for this?
That was not a standard upgrade for a dominion war era excelsior, the Lakota was a unique example because of who the ship belonged to. There is nothing at all to state that level of firepower upgrade was given to every single excelsior during the dominion war, and also, it's kind of evidenced on screen that the rest are far weaker due to how easily we see them getting taken out by dominion ships during the battles we see. Also, there's now evidence at all the Lakota has "galaxy class firepower" - it reduced the Defiants port shields down to 60% with 2 shots, which is very impressive. But we have nothing to say whether this was galaxy class level or not. Also, the fight between the Defiant and Lakota showed on screen that the Lakota was in worse shape (this is literally confirmed via dialogue) than the defiant, despite getting more shots off on the defiant on screen than the defiant hit them back with. So it was made clear that despite all the firepower upgrades, a defiant class was still more powerful and had greater firepower and also stronger defences too. So it's easier for starfleet to build 100s of Defiants which have more devastating firepower than the Lakota excelsior did, than to upgrade hordes of excelsiors to Lakota specification.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lakota was a test to see just how much an excelsior could be modernised, comparable to the near total rebuilds Italy’s dreadnoughts before WW2. But that probably wasn’t practical for wartime modernisation so the got something more modest like the refits the Queen Elizabeth’s got
@@johnlavery3433 yeh I agree, and it was a good experiment because it showed that the defiant class was superior in every way - it's firepower was still greater despite the lakota upgrades, more resilient yet still retaining it's small size and agility and speed - along with taking much less time to build than an excelsior
The Ambassador Class starship has 11 phaser arrays and 2 Torpedo launchers. Many in the class were being phased out by the time of the Dominion War. One that was still operational was the USS Exeter (2374)
Yeah, different manuals say different things. I don't really pay too much attention to it. I just think that there's different variance of the same ship.
@michaelspain3601 Yes, far as I remember the Lakota. Was upgraded to a galaxy class standard. So it was using Galaxy class generation technology. As well as quantum torpedos which is next generation. Type 10 phaser meters. Quantum torpedos. So the stats that I was told is 4 quantum torpedo launchers, 14 type 10 vaser, a meters and on screen. We see the Shields take 1,668,000 damage... 1 torpedo 2 type 10 phasers, 42 pulse phaser. Blast and 2 additional off screen blast.
Yeah, towards the end of the war, they were very low on ships, so sacrifice of an angels. A lot of those ships were refurbished. They're in junkyards and then repurposed.
I’m going to watch the follow-up video you posted but I think there is an issue with the torpedo generations cited. The way I see it, you have the TOS Era with Gen 1 (single shot, short range) launchers, then TMP Era (single shot, long range) Gen. 2, then late TMP-early TNG (multi-shot, short range) then TNG (multi-shot, long range) and then we’re off to the Quantum torpedo eras.
I would replace the Springfields with Centaur-class. Any breakthroughs could be chased down by those or quickly plug cracks in the lines. They're also more combat oriented despite being based off an older era design.
This is true I have an explanation for this and later video when I talk about carriers. Cuz that'll be much later. But that wasn't the intended roll when the ship was first designed. This is in the Starfleet reference manuals part 1 and 2.
Some of your specs are crazy. The Ambassador was the first ship to come out with Type 9 phasers, same with Niagara and Narendra. Type 9 is what all the early project Galaxy classes had until the Galaxy and Nebula came out. Ambassador had a max of warp 9.2, and production started in 2330's. They were big, they were powerful, and built like a luxury tank. Yamaguchi refit gave them type 10 Phasers and Type 5 torpedoes (Galaxy) torpedoes. Both could burst fire. Excelsior herself had Type 7 phasers, from 1701b onwards, all Excelsior class got type 8 Phasers. After the Ambassador, excelsiors would have been refitted with type 9 phasers at their regular refits. The Niagara originally had Ambassador Nacelles, it was meant to be an attack variant of the Ambassador, but it did not have the Power to do better than its form model, it got refitted in the 2350's with project Galaxy nacelles which got its top speed to match a Nebula.
It seems odd to me for Excelsiors to have first gen Photons. We know the Constitution II class upgraded the Phasers from the type IV to type V so how does the later Excelsior having the same torps as a Constitution I make sense to you? The torpedoes don't even look the same in the movie era where the Excelsior is from as the older TV series.
Yeah, agreed. It was state of the art while in the testing phase for the transwarp then, after it was converted to regular warp reactor they surely put in state of the art weapons as it was the heavy cruiser or, perhaps, fast battleship of its day. By the time they got around to the Enterprise B, she must of had Gen 2 or even Gen 3 torpedos and Type V or VI phasers along with the Federation cloak (prior to the Treaty of Algeron).* *Check out Venom Geek Media’s Tomed Incident videos (Part I & II) - trust me it’s worth the watch.
@@miamijules2149 If memory serves the torpedoes the refit Enterprise 1701 uses in the first movie are clearly not the same as those seen over a decade later in the other films starting with Wrath of Khan.
1701A and Excelsior herself had same type VII phasers and type 3 Torpedoes. They used the same Warp Core in 2293. Excelsior was structurally stronger, ability to generate a larger shield bubble to protect the hull, and had room for the new upgrades.
I understand the confusion. I did not present my argument well to you all. The original Excel series have type 7 phaser emitters. This is stated on the Federation manuals part 3. Newer generation created with type 8 phasers. Excelsior's created during Captain Picard's era. What created with type 9 phasers. The Federation lost so many ships during the beginning stages of the war They were pulling ships out of Federation junk yards reactivating them and sending them to the front lines as an emergency. This is stated in the show this is stated in the manual deep space nine. It also states that torpedo technology stagnated up until Captain Picard era. I'm not saying they don't have different kinds of launchers these have been the standards
@@trekwars5400 The thing is even if the Torpedoes used in the Motion Picture set in 2273 were the same as those used in the Original Series just looking different because of new special effects and those were first gen Photons all evidence shows they were replaced by the mid 2280s when the second through fifth Original series movies take place. If those were second gen Photons and Torpedo technology stagnated there it would still make the Next Generation era systems third generation.
Why Starfleet didn't have more of the Akiras....not certain, and would think more Defiants too. Akiras used their torpedoes more than phasers, and was like an aircraft carrier for the fighters.
The New Orleans Class was part of the starlet graveyard scene at Wolf 359. The Cheyenne class was also part of the graveyard scene... If the Cheyenne Class was still operational, it might be on border patrol duty..
Although ships did border patrol do. The Orleans class. Was the only one of the old generation retrofitted after the border wars. And the board attack.
Where did you get the information that the intrepid class had a quantum torpedo launcher? It had 4 photon launchers, 2 fore and 2 aft, it was never ever stated on screen that it had a seperate quantum torpedo launcher. Voyager for example never carried quantums or fired them. It had shown a photon being fired from the ventral stardrive section but this was a mistake.
@@miamijules2149 yes it did, but they were all fired from it's standard launchers.....my question was regarding where this additional quantum torpedo launcher had come from, which had never been shown or stated in the show
I'll be honest with you.I don't remember where I got that from. I just remember that the front launcher on the saucer section. Was detonated in the quantum launcher. Or capable of launching.
In the episode "Observer Effect", the Voyager-A used a quantum torpedo to collapse a wormhole into the future. The Voyager also used quantum torpedoes against the Rev-1 and Asencia's fleet over Solum. In the episode "The Cloud", the Voyager was said to have a full complement of 38 photon torpedoes, but no way to replace them. There was also discussion of getting quantum torpedoes from the Dreadnaught and adapting them to the Voyager.
@@trekwars5400 you are talking about a completely different class of ship - you're talking about Voyager 'A', which is a Lamar Class starship - completely different ship and class to the Voyager we see in the Voyager TV show, and the intrepid class starship which the original voyager is. So the fact that the Lamar Class Voyager A had quantum torpedoes does not mean the intrepid class starship, which is totally different and also older, had a quantum torpedo launcher, or quantum torpedoes on board. Yes, in one episode they talked about taking onboard the quantum torpedoes from that dreadnought thing but it never happened as it was destroyed. Sorry to point this out, but you have made a mistake saying the intrepid class had a specifically made quantum launcher, because it didn't. Only 4 photon launchers
Interesting theory crafting. Two comments that come to mind at first glance: 1. We don't really see many of these design on screen during the war, neither winning nor losing. This may indicate they were largely replaced/destroyed/decommissioned by the start of the war, or kept in the extreme reserve, maybe as planetary defense force/national guard units. Certainly not the front liners, which seem to include quite a few Miranda, Excelsior and the like. 2. The number of phasers, especially arrays can be somewhat controversial subject when taking into account total phaser firepower. Is more always 'better'? Say, if a ship had one large array, like the Galaxy main dorsal and ventral arrays, but another ship of same size, same power generation, same EPS capacity, had 5 smaller arrays, covering the same area like the one on the previous ship.... Which one has more phaser firepower? I would argue they have the same, but that's just me. I am interested in other people's opinions. I tend to favor that since the times of Kirk's Constitution refits, when the phaser power was routed directly from the main engines/warp drive, the total firepower was more a function of the ship's power capacity then the number of total emitters. Not fully of course, as as long as a ship could power multiple emitters at the same time (to full capacity), they could fire multiple beams or pulses at the same time, but still. Looking at the way most arrays are placed on most modern (TNG and later) era ships, it seems to me like the number of arrays is more indicative of phaser coverage.
So it's described in the manuals that emitters are weaker than their array counterparts. But there is an exception to this rule. Type 10 phase or emitters are seen on the defiant.. and rikers clone stated that the ships type 10 phaser emitters 30% stronger than the Enterprise D Galaxy. To me this means that type 10 of both types are equivalently the same. I know this was a modification Chief O'Brien😂
@@trekwars5400 i mean yeah, i suppose different emitters can different maximum power output. It makes sense that they do. I meant more about the total number of such devices across the ship. Can we always count more devices as better then having one but bigger one? In some cases, like the linear accelerator devices we find on the Vor'cha or the Enterprise D in "All good things" sure. But for equivalent devices, like Type X arrays? And to make things even more complicated, even with same devices, both in size and in type and number, isn't the total firepower also dependent on how often they can fire? So again, perhaps it's the capacity of the EPS grid and warp core power production that plays a role, and not just total array/emitter output?
@ilejovcevski79 yes that's a huge Factor the EPS conduit. And yes the vale is super important. I do have these things broken down but they don't convert well. So for an example type 7 phaser can shoot 20 times has an output of 2800. On the other hand type 9 freezer emitters on the centaur shoot 13 times and hit for 20,000. Does artificial stats from on screen.
Why don't they just load like, 200 torpedoes on a ship? We're talking a great big freaking starship here. There should be plenty of room to store a great big glob of torpedoes on any starship.
The front-line ships-yeah, not all are here. Where are the Yamaguchi Class [Upgraded Ambassador], the Narendra Class [the last iteration of the Ambassador], or the Counselor class, which was a kitbashed Ambassador? Where is the Raging Queen class, the carrier variant of the Excelsior? Where is the Centaur class, the frigate of the Excelsior? Where is the Parliament class Battlecruiser, the Kongo Class engineering cruiser. To begin with, your dates for the ships are wrong. Project Galaxy, wasn't instituted until 2045, the project consisted of the majority of the TNG ships. The New Orleans was the test bed for the new design in 2047, the Cheyenne and Challenger were out in the 2350s while the Nebula didn't come out until 2355, and finally the Galaxy in 2357. The Constellations are from the 2270s and were used as carriers as well for federation fighters during the Dominion War. The Freedom class was in 2350, and all ships of the Springfield class which was a part of Project: Galaxy weren't used on the front line at all because well they sucked and were only used for planetary defense of the core worlds and would be decommissioned during the war. Then the 3rd generation or anti-borg fleet, where are the Norway/Oslo classes or the kitbashed Yeagher classes. These are cannon ships BTW they were in the starship recognition guide that came out during DS9/Voyager. There were only 12 Intrepid class starships during the Dominion War, not including the USS Voyager. So how could they be on the front lines already?
I feel like a lot of this is just made up... Example - intrepid has 4 single fire torpedo launchers? We see voyager regularly firing 6 forward torpedoes (3 from each tube) and 4 after torpedoes (2 from each tube)
I could see Starfleet pulling the Constellations out of mothballs after the first defeats and rearming them, but the ship Starfleet had in that role going into the war was the Cheyenne class. Think of the Crazy Horse helping the Enterprise D hunt the Borg ship in Descent. Mid-war, we saw the "sector 001" fleet which would have been the hot new designs, and that felt like the steamrunners were starting to replace the "Wolf 359" era Cheyenne class in the frontline attack role.
During the Dominion War on DS9, you didn't see much of the Intrepid Class. The only one that I remember seeing is the USS Bellerophon. That ship was the personal starship of Admiral Ross
They weren't very many of them. But the first episode of voyager does state. It's a warship. So it's definitely front line. It's got as many phaser banks almost as a Galaxy class. Would be a good command ship too. advanced sensors.
The Challenger and Freedom Classes, though part of the Wolf 359 graveyard scene, were likely relegated as planetary support ship.
Challenger is a diplomatic ship. Freedom is a border patrol. Short-range.
The Excelsior Class was capable of being so much more. For the Dominion war they were upgraded to wield Galaxy Class Firepower as seen on the USS Lakota. Not their standard payloads as you list here :)
During the episode sacrifice of an Angel. The excelsior class takes two shots. Akira take five and dies. Warbird and Galaxy class take over 5 and keep on going. 2 excelsior, 5 Akira, 5 + Galaxy. Just so you know the Lakota was upgraded because it's a Starfleet admiral ship. All Starfleet admirals can pick their own starship. I'm not aware of any evidence that all excelsior classes were built to Galaxy specifications. Do you have evidence for this?
You’re assuming every Excelsior got the full package,
That was not a standard upgrade for a dominion war era excelsior, the Lakota was a unique example because of who the ship belonged to. There is nothing at all to state that level of firepower upgrade was given to every single excelsior during the dominion war, and also, it's kind of evidenced on screen that the rest are far weaker due to how easily we see them getting taken out by dominion ships during the battles we see.
Also, there's now evidence at all the Lakota has "galaxy class firepower" - it reduced the Defiants port shields down to 60% with 2 shots, which is very impressive. But we have nothing to say whether this was galaxy class level or not. Also, the fight between the Defiant and Lakota showed on screen that the Lakota was in worse shape (this is literally confirmed via dialogue) than the defiant, despite getting more shots off on the defiant on screen than the defiant hit them back with. So it was made clear that despite all the firepower upgrades, a defiant class was still more powerful and had greater firepower and also stronger defences too. So it's easier for starfleet to build 100s of Defiants which have more devastating firepower than the Lakota excelsior did, than to upgrade hordes of excelsiors to Lakota specification.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lakota was a test to see just how much an excelsior could be modernised, comparable to the near total rebuilds Italy’s dreadnoughts before WW2. But that probably wasn’t practical for wartime modernisation so the got something more modest like the refits the Queen Elizabeth’s got
@@johnlavery3433 yeh I agree, and it was a good experiment because it showed that the defiant class was superior in every way - it's firepower was still greater despite the lakota upgrades, more resilient yet still retaining it's small size and agility and speed - along with taking much less time to build than an excelsior
The Ambassador Class starship has 11 phaser arrays and 2 Torpedo launchers. Many in the class were being phased out by the time of the Dominion War. One that was still operational was the USS Exeter (2374)
Yeah, different manuals say different things. I don't really pay too much attention to it. I just think that there's different variance of the same ship.
The Lakota variant of the Excelsior Class, were able to fire quantum torpedoes
Yeah I think you're right
The phasers and Shields were upgraded too!
@TrekBattles and likely the warp drive
@michaelspain3601 Yes, far as I remember the Lakota. Was upgraded to a galaxy class standard. So it was using Galaxy class generation technology. As well as quantum torpedos which is next generation. Type 10 phaser meters. Quantum torpedos. So the stats that I was told is 4 quantum torpedo launchers, 14 type 10 vaser, a meters and on screen. We see the Shields take 1,668,000 damage... 1 torpedo 2 type 10 phasers, 42 pulse phaser. Blast and 2 additional off screen blast.
StarFleet could have been. Ready. For the Dominion if .they. stared Building. Fighting Ship after the. Battle of Wolf 359
hm great video man and glad you're doing this setup. So far I can't make a real opinion on any mistakes, feels pretty informative honeslty
Thanks I appreciate it
There were quite a few Miranda Class starships, that were operational during the Dominion War. Very expendable, but can be replaced quickly.
Yeah, towards the end of the war, they were very low on ships, so sacrifice of an angels. A lot of those ships were refurbished. They're in junkyards and then repurposed.
I’m going to watch the follow-up video you posted but I think there is an issue with the torpedo generations cited. The way I see it, you have the TOS Era with Gen 1 (single shot, short range) launchers, then TMP Era (single shot, long range) Gen. 2, then late TMP-early TNG (multi-shot, short range) then TNG (multi-shot, long range) and then we’re off to the Quantum torpedo eras.
Gen 1 captain Kirk Torpedo long range
Gen 2 is Captain Picard
Gen 3 Captain sisko quantum Torpedoes
I've always wondered if Star Fleet has a "Ready Reserve" fleet to boost ship numbers at the on set of a conflict.
They did it was seen in T. N. G. The episode with the junkyard. You say that functioning ships go there for retirement. Hundreds of ships.
@@trekwars5400 also, wouldn't each individual member world possibly have their own self defense force?
I would replace the Springfields with Centaur-class. Any breakthroughs could be chased down by those or quickly plug cracks in the lines. They're also more combat oriented despite being based off an older era design.
4:02 The Constellations were the fighter carriers they would not have been put on the Vanguard of the fleet.
This is true I have an explanation for this and later video when I talk about carriers. Cuz that'll be much later. But that wasn't the intended roll when the ship was first designed. This is in the Starfleet reference manuals part 1 and 2.
Some of your specs are crazy. The Ambassador was the first ship to come out with Type 9 phasers, same with Niagara and Narendra. Type 9 is what all the early project Galaxy classes had until the Galaxy and Nebula came out. Ambassador had a max of warp 9.2, and production started in 2330's. They were big, they were powerful, and built like a luxury tank. Yamaguchi refit gave them type 10 Phasers and Type 5 torpedoes (Galaxy) torpedoes. Both could burst fire.
Excelsior herself had Type 7 phasers, from 1701b onwards, all Excelsior class got type 8 Phasers. After the Ambassador, excelsiors would have been refitted with type 9 phasers at their regular refits.
The Niagara originally had Ambassador Nacelles, it was meant to be an attack variant of the Ambassador, but it did not have the Power to do better than its form model, it got refitted in the 2350's with project Galaxy nacelles which got its top speed to match a Nebula.
Wish talked more about the other part of the fleet
It seems odd to me for Excelsiors to have first gen Photons. We know the Constitution II class upgraded the Phasers from the type IV to type V so how does the later Excelsior having the same torps as a Constitution I make sense to you? The torpedoes don't even look the same in the movie era where the Excelsior is from as the older TV series.
Yeah, agreed. It was state of the art while in the testing phase for the transwarp then, after it was converted to regular warp reactor they surely put in state of the art weapons as it was the heavy cruiser or, perhaps, fast battleship of its day. By the time they got around to the Enterprise B, she must of had Gen 2 or even Gen 3 torpedos and Type V or VI phasers along with the Federation cloak (prior to the Treaty of Algeron).*
*Check out Venom Geek Media’s Tomed Incident videos (Part I & II) - trust me it’s worth the watch.
@@miamijules2149 If memory serves the torpedoes the refit Enterprise 1701 uses in the first movie are clearly not the same as those seen over a decade later in the other films starting with Wrath of Khan.
1701A and Excelsior herself had same type VII phasers and type 3 Torpedoes. They used the same Warp Core in 2293. Excelsior was structurally stronger, ability to generate a larger shield bubble to protect the hull, and had room for the new upgrades.
I understand the confusion. I did not present my argument well to you all. The original Excel series have type 7 phaser emitters. This is stated on the Federation manuals part 3. Newer generation created with type 8 phasers. Excelsior's created during Captain Picard's era. What created with type 9 phasers. The Federation lost so many ships during the beginning stages of the war
They were pulling ships out of Federation junk yards reactivating them and sending them to the front lines as an emergency. This is stated in the show this is stated in the manual deep space nine. It also states that torpedo technology stagnated up until Captain Picard era. I'm not saying they don't have different kinds of launchers these have been the standards
@@trekwars5400 The thing is even if the Torpedoes used in the Motion Picture set in 2273 were the same as those used in the Original Series just looking different because of new special effects and those were first gen Photons all evidence shows they were replaced by the mid 2280s when the second through fifth Original series movies take place. If those were second gen Photons and Torpedo technology stagnated there it would still make the Next Generation era systems third generation.
Why Starfleet didn't have more of the Akiras....not certain, and would think more Defiants too. Akiras used their torpedoes more than phasers, and was like an aircraft carrier for the fighters.
The E-C took on 4 Warbirds at Narendra 3, not 3 Warbirds.
@@joestewart6027 I didn't know that
The New Orleans Class was part of the starlet graveyard scene at Wolf 359. The Cheyenne class was also part of the graveyard scene...
If the Cheyenne Class was still operational, it might be on border patrol duty..
Although ships did border patrol do. The Orleans class. Was the only one of the old generation retrofitted after the border wars. And the board attack.
Where did you get the information that the intrepid class had a quantum torpedo launcher? It had 4 photon launchers, 2 fore and 2 aft, it was never ever stated on screen that it had a seperate quantum torpedo launcher. Voyager for example never carried quantums or fired them. It had shown a photon being fired from the ventral stardrive section but this was a mistake.
It did carry tri-cobalt torpedos…. and it fired transphasic torpedoes…. I think.
@@miamijules2149 yes it did, but they were all fired from it's standard launchers.....my question was regarding where this additional quantum torpedo launcher had come from, which had never been shown or stated in the show
I'll be honest with you.I don't remember where I got that from. I just remember that the front launcher on the saucer section. Was detonated in the quantum launcher. Or capable of launching.
In the episode "Observer Effect", the Voyager-A used a quantum torpedo to collapse a wormhole into the future.
The Voyager also used quantum torpedoes against the Rev-1 and Asencia's fleet over Solum.
In the episode "The Cloud", the Voyager was said to have a full complement of 38 photon torpedoes, but no way to replace them. There was also discussion of getting quantum torpedoes from the Dreadnaught and adapting them to the Voyager.
@@trekwars5400 you are talking about a completely different class of ship - you're talking about Voyager 'A', which is a Lamar Class starship - completely different ship and class to the Voyager we see in the Voyager TV show, and the intrepid class starship which the original voyager is. So the fact that the Lamar Class Voyager A had quantum torpedoes does not mean the intrepid class starship, which is totally different and also older, had a quantum torpedo launcher, or quantum torpedoes on board. Yes, in one episode they talked about taking onboard the quantum torpedoes from that dreadnought thing but it never happened as it was destroyed.
Sorry to point this out, but you have made a mistake saying the intrepid class had a specifically made quantum launcher, because it didn't. Only 4 photon launchers
Homie The ambassador in the Niagara as in Niagara falls don't have type 7 phasers 1 generation torpedo launchers
I went with the descriptions specifications that was used on the official eagle Moss magazines
Dominon era Excelsiors were upgraded to quantum torpedos . Or did we not watch DS9 ?
Interesting theory crafting. Two comments that come to mind at first glance:
1. We don't really see many of these design on screen during the war, neither winning nor losing. This may indicate they were largely replaced/destroyed/decommissioned by the start of the war, or kept in the extreme reserve, maybe as planetary defense force/national guard units. Certainly not the front liners, which seem to include quite a few Miranda, Excelsior and the like.
2. The number of phasers, especially arrays can be somewhat controversial subject when taking into account total phaser firepower. Is more always 'better'? Say, if a ship had one large array, like the Galaxy main dorsal and ventral arrays, but another ship of same size, same power generation, same EPS capacity, had 5 smaller arrays, covering the same area like the one on the previous ship.... Which one has more phaser firepower? I would argue they have the same, but that's just me. I am interested in other people's opinions. I tend to favor that since the times of Kirk's Constitution refits, when the phaser power was routed directly from the main engines/warp drive, the total firepower was more a function of the ship's power capacity then the number of total emitters. Not fully of course, as as long as a ship could power multiple emitters at the same time (to full capacity), they could fire multiple beams or pulses at the same time, but still. Looking at the way most arrays are placed on most modern (TNG and later) era ships, it seems to me like the number of arrays is more indicative of phaser coverage.
So it's described in the manuals that emitters are weaker than their array counterparts. But there is an exception to this rule. Type 10 phase or emitters are seen on the defiant.. and rikers clone stated that the ships type 10 phaser emitters 30% stronger than the Enterprise D Galaxy. To me this means that type 10 of both types are equivalently the same. I know this was a modification Chief O'Brien😂
@@trekwars5400 i mean yeah, i suppose different emitters can different maximum power output. It makes sense that they do. I meant more about the total number of such devices across the ship. Can we always count more devices as better then having one but bigger one? In some cases, like the linear accelerator devices we find on the Vor'cha or the Enterprise D in "All good things" sure. But for equivalent devices, like Type X arrays?
And to make things even more complicated, even with same devices, both in size and in type and number, isn't the total firepower also dependent on how often they can fire? So again, perhaps it's the capacity of the EPS grid and warp core power production that plays a role, and not just total array/emitter output?
@ilejovcevski79 yes that's a huge Factor the EPS conduit. And yes the vale is super important. I do have these things broken down but they don't convert well. So for an example type 7 phaser can shoot 20 times has an output of 2800. On the other hand type 9 freezer emitters on the centaur shoot 13 times and hit for 20,000. Does artificial stats from on screen.
@@trekwars5400 roger that!
Why don't they just load like, 200 torpedoes on a ship? We're talking a great big freaking starship here. There should be plenty of room to store a great big glob of torpedoes on any starship.
I think Akiras had a very high torpedo capacity.
The front-line ships-yeah, not all are here. Where are the Yamaguchi Class [Upgraded Ambassador], the Narendra Class [the last iteration of the Ambassador], or the Counselor class, which was a kitbashed Ambassador? Where is the Raging Queen class, the carrier variant of the Excelsior? Where is the Centaur class, the frigate of the Excelsior? Where is the Parliament class Battlecruiser, the Kongo Class engineering cruiser. To begin with, your dates for the ships are wrong. Project Galaxy, wasn't instituted until 2045, the project consisted of the majority of the TNG ships. The New Orleans was the test bed for the new design in 2047, the Cheyenne and Challenger were out in the 2350s while the Nebula didn't come out until 2355, and finally the Galaxy in 2357. The Constellations are from the 2270s and were used as carriers as well for federation fighters during the Dominion War. The Freedom class was in 2350, and all ships of the Springfield class which was a part of Project: Galaxy weren't used on the front line at all because well they sucked and were only used for planetary defense of the core worlds and would be decommissioned during the war. Then the 3rd generation or anti-borg fleet, where are the Norway/Oslo classes or the kitbashed Yeagher classes. These are cannon ships BTW they were in the starship recognition guide that came out during DS9/Voyager. There were only 12 Intrepid class starships during the Dominion War, not including the USS Voyager. So how could they be on the front lines already?
Too much guess work...
I feel like a lot of this is just made up...
Example - intrepid has 4 single fire torpedo launchers? We see voyager regularly firing 6 forward torpedoes (3 from each tube) and 4 after torpedoes (2 from each tube)
For thhe algorithm
Federation ships sure are ugly