NAD C588 Turntable Review
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Placed within the upper end of the budget price bracket, Paul Rigby reviews this twin-speed turntable
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Pro-Ject RPM3 Turntable
Trichord Dino phono amplifier
Rega Brio-R amplifier
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Tellurium Q cabling
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Thank for the review, just got my C588 delivered this morning. I’m glad I stumbled across your page/review for this model bc it really helped me make my decision.
Hi Paul, thanks for the great review. I had been looking at several turntables and this review helped me settle on the C-588. For what it’s worth, your replies in the comments were also quite helpful. Cheers!
So much info about the tonearms that i didn't knew.Another great review!
There's another difference with the C558. The sub-platter is lower quality. And, the C558 comes with an Ortofon OM10. Great review, I am looking forward to receiving my C588.
Excellent review! I actually went out and got one with 30% off brand new sealed box. Will report next week on delivery since is an import for the Mexican mkt. Thank you again for the depth of your research and honest opinion.
Hi where did you get that deal?
Please let us know if you upgrade the cartridge, I{m tempted to 2m Bronze
So, it's literally more than the sum of its parts! I do hope its less expensive sibling is as well, because I have one that's still in the box, waiting for me to gird my loins and pluck up the courage to set it up. I've never owned a turntable that needed to be set up, so I'm procrastinating like a good 'un, wishing there was a video on the subject.
Just bought it :D
30% off. It was at Palacio de Hierro (Mexican for Harrods) Regular price was MXN$25,300.00 (GBP$949.00) so, after discount I end up paying MXN$17,700.00 (GBP$658.00) Mexico sales tax included (16%).
I bought it too, very nice turntable.
Hi there!
Sorry for the late update.
Yes I did upgrade the needle cartridge of my NAD turnable to an Ortofon 2M Black.
Yes, it was nice but after almost a year of listening my LP's, I got the MC bug bite, so I order an Ortofon Quintet red, and oh boy what a diference, the whole thing opened up. I am so happy of my decision even with the waist of my M2 black now resting on its original box.
I think in part was the option of my ELEKIT TU-8500 pre-amp MM/MC switch that encouraged me to try the Quintet. But the entire system sounds much better now. Video coming up!! I promise.
@@comtzu50im in mexico too, te interesa vender tu ortofon black?
I think you made a mistake when you said that the Pro-ject RPM-3 comes with the Ortofon 2m black cartridge, actually it comes with the Ortofon 2m silver, thanks for the review.
Yes, you're right - that must have changed when I wasn't looking because my review sample (it's been here in my office for a little while I must admit) came with a 2M Black as standard. I wonder if rising costs have meant a change in that default cart? Anyway, the test stands because I did use a Black to compare that RPM 3 with the NAD.
@@TheAudiophileMan Black in the picture as well I believe :)
Yes I used that in the test.
Another review that seems to make no sense look at the two arms on those two turntables that you say are so different one is S shaped the other straight and they seem to have the same bearings with a different counterweight I had the RPM 3 and I can assure you that the tonal balance was incredible also you can move the tone up and down to the preferred sound of the music that you prefer!!!! There are so many variables that go into a turntable built even the same model some times sounds different and what about the cables you use and the base that you put the turntable on I can go on and on but your definitive approach to these two turntables is ridiculous🤔😮✌
Thanks for this video
Yet again you throw a degree of conflict into the mix and quite rightly so my rega p3 seems somewhat at odds with your assessment of the nad tern tables interesting to know your dislike of glass type platers alas the price point I’m limited to prevents me from going any further down the hifi road but am fully aware that if funds were available improvements could be achieved great respect to you and your Chanel keep well and safe Kind regards Mike in the U.K.
Thank you very much for the review! I replaced the red one with at vm540ml and difference is huge. Now I’m thinking about MC. Any budget advice ?
Very nice review 👌🏼🤓
Hello Paul, regardless of the cartridge, which turntable would you recommend between Nad 588, ProJect X1 and possibly Rekkord Audio M500 manual ou Rega 3 or 6 ? Thank you !!!
Great video!! If you were to upgrade the cartridge on this unit, what would you go with? 2m black?
That would depend on my budget and if I was going to stick with MM or go to MC. The Black is a good choice for MM, though.
Thanks for review. Both Nads are competitively priced compared to Rega where I am and I do like the look. I was thinking of getting the cheaper 558 and up upgrading the cartridge. But would you say the tonearm on the 558 is a big step down and I'd be better putting the money into the 588?
I would say so, yes but, don't forget, you're paying for that privilege. So, if you can afford it then, sure, grab the 588.
@@TheAudiophileMan thanks for the reply, Nad c558 is very tempting at £220 but maybe better to think of the long-term.
Hello, great review!
Do you know how it stands against the Pro-Ject X1?
I don't know man every NAD turntable that I've ever had and I've had a couple I've had this one and I had the previous one based on the planar one turntable from rega. Regardless though I found that I was always quite dissatisfied with NAD's offerings in this product segment. And you might say that well why did you keep buying them if you were dissatisfied and the answer of course is that I also have they're amplifiers and CD players and streaming products and I always been tremendously satisfied with those offerings. So eventually I gave up on their turntables and decided instead to buy a Michell gyro dec
Good video. Thanks.
Deciding on upgrading my TT.
Between the NAD or possibly an ex demo Linn LP12 for considerably more $
Thank you for the review, if you were going to upgrade the cartridge on the 588 what would you choose?
That would depend on your budget - what sort of figure are you considering?
The Audiophile Man $300 or so..
I'd look at the Goldring 1042
I have an Ortofon M2 Black, so will see how sounds on the C588. Will report as soon as I get the turntable.
@@comtzu50 how was the 2m black? regards
Hi Paul, great review. I am hesitating between this and the Pro-Ject X1. Which would you recommend? Also, could i upgrade the NAD glass platter to a pro-ject acrylic platter? This is where i see the X1 being superior with its acrylic platter. Thanks!
I'm afraid I have yet to review the X1. I know colleagues who have and they like it. It has its pros and cons. As all designs have, of course. Speaking to them, I think I'd stick with the NAD. Not sure whether a Pro-Ject upgrade platter can be used, though. I'd talk to your dealer on that one.
The Audiophile Man thanks for the advice!
I can not thank you more for this review.
I am a Rega fan but wanted to buy a second turntable to connect to the system in my basement.
The Rega planar 3 with Audio Technica Cartridge AT VM 95 SH still sounds better to me in the mid range. Voices are more velvet like.
However, the overall balance and detail, tight bass with crispy highs on the NAD, are impressive. What a nice surprise. :-)
Regards from NEUSS, Germany.
Glad I could be of help :)
Almost going to pull the trigger on one of these @ £549 from seven oaks. Do they have a speed switch from 33to 45 rpm? Thank you for the review clip
I'm afraid not - check out the manual here, scroll to P.6 and it talks about how you change the speed moving the belt to a different part of the pulley: nadelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/C588_eng_OM_v02.pdf
@@TheAudiophileMan Thank you for replying - I spent the day reviewing and decided I need a speed switch... Looking to the project x1 at £699. But tempted to go up to the x2 at £999 with ortofon 2m silver (can upgrade to blue stylus as silver coil in that cart) comparable to rega p6? Better than rega p3 with an external speed box I think. Cheers!
Hello there. Really liked the video. I'm looking to buy my first record player and have been hearing very good things about the C588. What pre-amp and speakers would you recommend for paiaring with the C588?
Do you have a budget figure?
@@TheAudiophileMan well the turn table costs roughly $1100 (CAD). So I was thinking an additional $500 to $600 for the pre-amp, amp and speakers. Thoughts?
The C588 would be a good choice. That arrives with an Ortofon 2M Red which would be good to get you going. A Project MM phono amp for around £65 would be a good addition. The amp? Possibly a Cambridge AXA35 (£279) plus Q Acoustics 3020i (£200) would go well together. Grab the best QED cabling you can afford.
How hard is it to adjust the vta on this?
Although I'm mostly more a vintage turntable guy, I really like this C588. More color options would be nice..., but it is NAD(colors). One question can the tonearm its height be adjusted?
yes there are 2 allen grub screws at the bottom of the arm .
Paul thanks to you, purchased a NAD C588 new in box with the Ortofon red (sounds really good). Was leaning the Planar P1 or P3 direction before. After I listen to my vinyl collection, will consider a cartridge upgrade to Ortofon Blue, Nag. Mp-110, Mp-150 or goldring 1042. Thoughts or preferences?
Do you have a budget Kevin?
$150-450 (have that much in my sock drawer fund) FYI still very happy. Could just get an Ortofon blue stylus? Or switch ship to a different brand. Maybe more base grunt?
How was your cartridge upgrade Kevin? Wich one did you get? Regards
Do you have any thoughts in regards to belt drive turntables using a belt around a sub platter as opposed to having the belt around the circumference of the platter? Which do you feel would have a more stable rotation? Thank you.
Hi Mike - in broad terms, I'd point to other factors to give you that stability because it depends how those design points have been implemented, parts used, etc. I wouldn't say sub platters are better/worse per se. There are pros and cons for both.
I'm in the mid budget price bracket for each hifi separate part and totally into the listening experience of music on vinyl. My listening is more 60's, 70''s and 80's rock and maybe later....but especially the music of The Beatles. I haven't had vinyl music playing in my house since the early 1980's. I still have all my vinyl, originally bought, starting from 1969/70 and onward. Most of this vinyl is in very good condition still. I also have all of the remastered Beatles canon on vinyl, stereo and mono. I want to listen to this music on my original vinyl and the new vinyl, but I haven't any equipment!! I would like to spend, as you describe, in the mid price budget maybe towards the upper price budget. So I need good advice. Turntable, speakers and amplifier and from the audiophile point of listening. I would appreciate your learned advice and with what you recommend, maybe an alternative choice to give me flexibility a little. Hopefully you can help me, no worries if you can't, thanks.
Can you confirm your total budget for these potential purchases please Paul?
I did audition this turntable a liitle while ago. It was hooked up to highend NAD amps and some great Dali speakers. In fact those amps and speakers were way to expensive for this turntable, so to speak. To make a long story short, the NAD C588 disappointed me in a big way. Maybe it was due to the cart, the Ortofon 2M Red? In any case, it sounded bad compared to my vintage turntables (Dual 704 and a ToshibaSR 370).
Hi! Please help an indecisive newbie: this, used ‘like new’ with Pro-ject Pick it pro cartridge for £470 or brand new pro-ject debut carbon EVO with acrylic platter included for £499?
Tough - because I never got the chance to compare the two directly. Hmmm. Because of the platter? The EVO.
The Ortofon 2Mblack is the worst choice for the RPM3 16,5g tonearm that requires low compliance cartridge
Paul, in the video you said that you hate the glass platter on this and the Regas, is that a general impression or specific to these models/brands. The reason i ask is that the Funk Firm LSD which you've reviewed(currently in the running for my next TT) has a glass platter. Wondering if you care to share more about this or is this something one can mitigate with a proper matt such as the Achromat?
Hi Hooman - choosing a glass platter is done because of price and knowing its drawbacks. There are good points to a glass platter, sure, but there are downsides and that's where the mat comes in. Every manufacturer has its own ides on this but possible solutions are governed by the build budget. Which is why Rega and NAD utilise a felt mat. The Funk solution is better but its mat is also way more expensive because of the higher price point from the LSD, for example, which has a larger build budget.
Can VTA be adjusted? Thanks for the videos but more useful comparisons would be same cartridge on different decks but not many reviewers do this. Rega 6 v Technics v Project classic v Clearaudio etc. Thanks again 👍
Re VTA - yes it can.
Even less people compare tonearms :) That was the point of the video, as you can see by my cartridge comments. That was more of a priority than a cart comparison.
Looking at the same cart on different decks is a review of a cartridge not a turntable. This was a NAD C588 review.
What would be your pick between the 588 and rega p3?
Probably the NAD, but that is £150 more expensive (generally speaking)
The Audiophile Man the nad is now at a pretty good price at sevenoaks. Would you kindly elaborate a bit more on why you think the nad would be better? Tonearm? Thanks!
A combination of parts and how they're put together. The Rega is not an amazing turntable across the board, as a whole design. What makes it brilliant is its arm. The arm carries everything else over the line, as it where. For the NAD, that arm is also excellent - it's the difference between the 558 and the 588. Nothing else but the arm - well, the arm tube and headshell, to be specific. All great budget turntables have a brilliant arm, the Funk Firm Gett! turntable which I'll be reviewing on my channel in the future, is another one (and the best of the bunch [quick preview for you there]). The NAD is tops for me here because of the other ingredients that push the whole turntable onwards.
The Audiophile Man that’s fantastic advice and starting to feel really confident about the nad. What i like about it as well is the fully adjustable tonearm making it easy to adapt to other cartridges. Do you think this tt would make justice to a good MC cartridge? Say a denon dl103?
Hi Marcos and thank you and yes on the MC cart. The Denon is fine although my favourite would be a Hana EL or EH series cart.
Can't imagine why National Acoustic Devices doesn't want to be known as *testicles* ;)
And NAD didn't consider that when they were forming the company? National Acoustic Equipment, as one example I've just thought up in 2.2 seconds for example, would have spared their pain.
Nad 588 vs planar 2? Thoughts?
NAD
Is this turntable still worth buying? :)
Yes