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Too old? Ha! My guitar student started at the age of 90. She is now 96 and is doing really well! She practices every day, too!
That is inspiring❤
Amazing!
I love this! How wonderful that you took on that student instead of assuming she was too old. You both deserve accolades.
So cool
Wow! By the time I'm her age, I expect to be a decent violinist... Practice is key!
When I turned 65, I decided that if I didn’t finally start taking piano lessons, then I never would. By then, I finally had both the time and the money, so I bought a piano and found a teacher. That was 14 years ago, and it was one of the best decisions of my life. The joy of learning an instrument has nothing to do with age. Clearly, I’ll never be a concert artist, but that was never the point. The experience has changed and expanded my life immeasurably. To any older, would-be musician, please don’t let anything discourage you!
It’s really not the point, as you said. The point is to do it.
Inspiring story... I'm a (much) older learner as well and hope in 14 years to be a half decent violinist... inspired by TwoSet of course! I'm 18 months in and enjoying this supremely challenging journey...
P. S. I think that TwoSet’s invaluable contribution in encouraging a love of music in young people throughout the world is simply magnificent. How many people can honestly say that their work has improved and changed the world? Bravi!
this is so cute
@@mairzyd Absolute game changers they are... Not forgetting introducing us to the likes of Ray (Chen) and Hilary (Hahn) who have benefitted from increased appreciation of their music plus attendances at concerts...
It's so nice and heart warming to see Brett looking so much healthier and happier than he was before he had to take time off as he was feeling unwell. Clearly his health has improoved since then. We love to see you this cheerful, Brett.❣
Wait what happened
@@strawberystar About two years ago, in December of 2020, Brett took some time off because he needed to take care of his health and recover from illness. Prior to that he had not been feeling well for some time.
From the videoes here on their channel we have been able to see that he seems to have recovered a lot since then. It is very nice to see him more energetic, happier and healthier than when he was pushing himself beyond what was comfortable to him at that time.
He made a real effort to entertain us all even when he wasn't feeling too good.
I love to see that he seems to feel a lot better now, smiling, joking and laughing.
I was actually thinking the same, when I saw the video!
Oh... I was just thinking since the last video that he slimmed down compared to a year ago.
Brett looks so fluffy ☺️
I can DEFINITELY watch a part 2, 3, 4… because I absolutely love when they talk about just pure music, playing, related advice!
p o d c a s t
@@Exayevie YES
YES!! i love it when they have videos like this 🥹💖
Yes!
I agree with you 100 %.
I'm a figure skater and I learned the basics myself, simply because I couldn't get a coach. Later on I managed to get into group lessons, and later to private lessons. Two things to consider:
- I picked up loads of bad technique in my initial self-teaching days, as nobody told me how to do it correctly. It is very, VERY difficult to correct the bad technique that became muscle memory.
- It is SO MUCH EASIER to learn something when they tell you how to do it. Example: skating backwards, or stopping. It took me months to figure it out. Whereas later, when I was teaching first-time skaters in public session and I told them exactly where to place their feet and how to shift their weight, they could do it in 5 mins, and they got quite comfortable with it after 30 mins practice.
Conclusion: GET A TEACHER
That's not always the case. I'm a programmer at a large firm, and I learnt everything by myself in my own way. I already knew how to learn stuff, granted, and I'm passionate about programming, but tbh I wasted time and mental health studying computer science at university: I didn't even graduate, but I got a job after an interview that my old classmates wouldn't have a chance to pass. Same with percussions: I play in a number of amateur wind orchestras, but I learnt the basics and some advanced stuff I wanted to learn by myself: if I stuck with what my old drum teacher would tell me to know I'd still be learning stuff I don't care about, and the passion would've beeb gone long time ago. Everybody's different: some people require a teacher, some others require to be left alone with their passions
@@alemutasa6189When it comes to technicality though a teacher is definitely worthwhile. They teach you techniques and help you a ton. Of course, passion is different, but if you’re trying to get technically better then a teacher is worth
@@alemutasa6189 As a music professional and an IT professional, I can say with decades of experience that there is a world of difference between learning to program and learning to play an instrument. Anyone can reach a certain level of competence by themselves but, if you want to progress to the next level and beyond you need to be guided by someone.
There is a lot of subtlety and artistry in any technical skill, and if the basics are flawed - even if you're 1 degree off (as Brett said in the video) - it can take much longer to correct later, as the OP found.
In short, I think it's always best to find a teacher that works for you so that the fundamentals are corrected early.
@@alemutasa6189 There is a difference between learning knowledge vs skill.
If you can read, you can learn any knowledge on your own.
With skill, of course you can learn, just pick up an instrument and have a go at it, I just don't advise to do that for the above mentioned reasons. Once you have the basics correctly, you can play whatever you want, follow your passion not your teacher.
Also, and I don't mean to be rude, but drumming doesn't require as nuanced technique as figure skating or violin, where the slightest error in technique will ruin your performance.
Getting a teacher does assume someone has the money for it, though. Some folks are barely able to get an instrument, let alone afford lessons.
I’m disabled and my physio suggested learning piano as I had little strength in my left arm. It got muscles and fingers working to the point where I could pick up my violin. To my astonishment there was muscle memory left and I’m enjoying playing grade 5/6 pieces. My advice give it a go! I’m 62 but was up to grade 7 at school. ❤️❤️
That’s amazing and inspiring
I’m disabled, too, and I know from my own life that everything you wrote is true. Well said!
@@M_SC thanks ❤️
Pro tip for finding local teachers: reach out to any local schools that have music programs and ask their orchestra or band director. All music teachers in an area know each other, and school music directors usually keep track of all of them for their own students and can make great recommendations.
That's really an awesome advice ✌️😃
You can also reach out to your local symphony!
This is great advice! Thank you so much! I live right next to a big uni, and for some reason I never even thought of this
Hundred times yes!
You can also ask people at your local music shop of they know any teachers in the area.
I'm back playing classical guitar at 48, after quitting at 18. My fingers are clumsy but my ear is definitely better. I just find it enjoyable and love the repertoire especially baroque and it just makes me happy.
That's amazing! Keep it up!
Baroque guitar is wonderful!
I re -started the violin at 50 after quitting in my early 20's. I found the same thing my fingers are clumsy but my ear is much better! I wish I could practice 40 hours as I am sure they would become nimble, quicker.
Bach on the guitar is simply wonderful. the Parkening recordings are among the best, IMO.
Timestamps for the questions! Enjoy :)
0:50 - Does the difficulty of learning an instrument depend on talent?
2:47 - Does learning an instrument really help improve your intelligence?
3:25 - Is it possible to learn the violin without going for actual lessons?
5:09 - How do you find a teacher (LOL)? In a new area and don't have many connections.
6:55 - Find a teacher first or buy an instrument first?
7:49 - When is the time to change a teacher, even if they've been teaching you for a long time?
10:03 - Is it possible to learn with different teachers or is it better to keep only one for the first couple of years?
10:58 - I am 50. Is it too late to start?
11:32 - Why does everyone tell you not to play an instrument if you are old?
11:43 - Is it okay to learn more than one instrument at a time?
12:51 - Three questions involving feeling stuck/not making progress
thank you, kind stranger! :D
Thanks bro!
Thank you for this ^w^
Thank you for taking the time to do this!
Heyy thx!
Just want to share my brother experience. My brother studies Opera, and he started with a teacher who told him he was a bass. The teacher A was not great at all and my brother felt something was wrong, since he couldn't reach low notes. After 2 years I think, he started to see "in secret" (without the teacher A to know) an other teacher B. This teacher started to help my brother to believe in himself, motived him, encourage him to improve and thought him a better method. My brother finally understood that teacher A was just someone not good, as a person, as a teacher and as a singer. In the end he officially switched from teacher A to teacher B. Btw, now he sings as a tenor. Teacher A was wrong from the start.
Yeah same thing happened to me. I have a opera teacher and she only tells me to focus on one thing and never tells me anything new. She just keeps repeating the same old formula but I don’t know if it is just because it is voice and it is suppose to be like that. She also gets mad and yells at me when I do something “wrong” even though I don’t even know what I did wrong. Should I try another teacher?
@@Naokirii_77 Find another teacher. No one should be getting shouted at for messing up, that will crush your desire to learn. Everyone is different, the same formula that works for me, may not work for you or someone else. Repeating the same thing rather than try something different is a sign of a bad teacher.
@@Naokirii_77 Although I am not a musician, I also had private bad teachers, who sometimes destroyed my self-esteem. Don't ask if the problem is you. You are important, and if you think that you don't feel good with that teacher, you should change. Trust me, you can find someone better that can really help you and make you improve :)
@@Naokirii_77 you Must try another teacher. Do not ever allow someone to yell at you for any reason. I was abused by my teacher and I escaped finally.
@@kanamisprs4330 yeah I just feel like I haven’t mastered what she has taught me over and over again because she keeps saying that I do it wrong all the time so I’m afraid to change to a different teacher. But I’ve been with her for more than 3 years and she still keeps telling me to work on the same thing. Maybe it’s just because it’s opera?
Speaking about good teacher. Once I had the Piano Masterclass with some german teacher. And there was a big issue: I don`t know german language and the translator wasn`t a musician so she had no idea what this teacher is talking about. But he spoke with so much passion that I just got it immediately. Somehow I understood every word. It was unforgettable feeling. Maybe the language is a river but passion and the music is the bridge. He was definitely a brilliant teacher. It was only 1 hour lesson but it opened my mind to new things and inspired me to practice another 100000 hours...
That’s crazy, a regular non-musician person doesn’t even know music terms in their own language
Same here, and If i didn't understand the teacher I just looked at what everyone else was doing XD
Thank you guys for educating people about music while still being entertaining! ❤
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Yes please do a part 2! I'm planning to rent a violin soon and try lessons (as an adult). Having advice and opinions from reputable people like you is super helpful and encouraging.
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Good for you!!! :) I'm a piano teacher and I am always so thrilled to hear adults picking up an instrument -- any instrument.
Are you the same 'Ines' who posted a comment on the 'Guess a Piece in 5 Seconds' vid only 3 days ago? Blimey, moving quickly from your 'non musician' status! I'm an adult learner too. My progress is slow but steady. (18 months in now). Good luck on your musical journey...
Good luck on your learning journey! I'm currently going through the same process with viola! I've got the appointment to finalise the renting contract next week and my first lesson a week later!
@wakingtheworld lol yes you caught me! I'm ready to dive in fast. I actually played viola for a very short time in 5th and 6th grade. I hope some sliver of muscle memory helps me! I'm excited for the challenge.
MORE EDUCATIONAL CONTENT PLEASE! WE LOVE THIS. WE OFTEN HAVE A LOT DISCUSSION IN THE SUB TALKING ABOUT HOW WE MISS THE NERDY TWOSET
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Ikr two set has kinda just been shitposting these last few years and not much actual stuff about music
@@Jwellsuhhuh "these last few years" well that's an overstatement.
@@chessematics sorry, you meant understatement? more like ever since their channel started lmao
"because they have given up their dreams, and they don't want to see you go for your dream"....Eddy dishing out some truths there! 🥰🥰🤣🤣
I get to tell people about “patior” meaning “to suffer” for a living as a Latin teacher! So cool to hear you guys mention it too!! It’s really cool especially as a deponent verb (looks like a passive when it’s really active) because suffering is something you go through actively but it’s also something that happens to you.
55 years old and took up mandolin 4 months ago. Which in turn inspired me to pick up the violin again after a 40 year break. I trained as a classical violinist in school.
Love the channel y'all!
I am learning violin since around Covid restrictions, almost 3 years now. I'm 45 and still suck at it but I could be a decent hobbyist if I stick to it for 10 years.
I don't know objectively how good my teacher is but she has all kinds of really unusual types of exercises and tips & tricks about being relaxed, breathing and stuff, and I get the feeling she likes to teach. She asked the other day if I ever considered to buy my own instrument so that was kind of a sign I was waiting for and made an appointment to a store next Wednesday. Pretty nervous but it would be cool to have my own instrument finally (using a rental student instrument).
That's so exciting! Good luck next Wednesday!
Sounds great! Keep at it
Well I still don't sound great after 18 months... I may get my fingering right but my string crossings may be off or my bowing skewed which all affects the sound of the note. The violin is one of the most difficult to learn so keep practicing and give yourself time - I'm hoping to be half decent in another 10 years. I too have a rental but will do what you're about to do in another year or so... Exciting, huh?
Good luck on your new gear. Nothing beats the feeling of taking your shiny new instrument out of the case for the first time.
Please don’t let anyone talk you into buying any instrument, at any price point, unless you love its tone. If your technique isn’t yet good enough to produce a beautiful tone yourself, have a salesperson demonstrate the instrument to you. If no one in the store is able to do that, find another store. Even the cheapest violins sound different from each other; no two instruments are alike, and what you will find pleasing is entirely subjective. Please don’t limit yourself to one store, and please trust your own ear. Good luck on your musical journey!
i thought this video wouldn't help me at all because i'm very close to giving up learning my instrument. but honestly, this video has given me a new perspective and now i may not quit learning my instrument. so thank you twoset for giving me the motivation to keep learning.
Yeah but if your instrument was viola then you probably should quit
me too. im planning to quit orchestra next school year and stop playing but im kinda rethinking my decision.
@Jwells uh huh as a violist I am offended
@@aviolaplayingpianist9176 Keep going!
I have been playing the violin since I started watching you guys, you motivated me to play the violin and I'm grateful for it. Thanks for everything!
I can’t be the only one that learned music theory just to understand what they were talking about 💀💀
@@strawberystar ikr 💀✋
Same here! Just picked up violin lesson 5 months ago - best decision ever!
@@strawberystar i can read music,I know theory and can compose but i never touched an instrument, you are not alone buddy 💀💀
I started playing the violin at 21 after watching your videos. I just finished Suzuki book 1 and the journey has been both rewarding and challenging but overall, I love it. I accept my mistakes, try to fix them, and sometimes there’s actual music coming out of my instrument. Feels great
Amazing
So inspiring! I've wanted to learn for the longest time, and I plan on starting in a few weeks (I'm 16)
During Covid lockdown I couldn't have any lessons either with my teacher or pianist. So I had to practice alone. Those 2 years I recorded all of my singing practices, to teach myself and correct my technical mistakes. I know for a fact, that recording yourself is really working. I had a huge technical development during Covid, because I analysed my practices, and finally understood, what my teacher was talking about. My practice session became longer, and I had the chance to correct any mistakes immediatly. The very first time I got to have a lesson again, my teacher asked me, what did I do, because I sounded so much better. Still doing it, with new roles and arias. So go practice and record yourself! ❤
And a huge thank you @TwoSetViolin you are the reason I kept going even in the hopless times.
Three years of Zoom piano lessons, due to Covid. Surprisingly effective. Still doing it, too.
This works crazy well with physical stuff too, like learning a dance or lifting etc. Even if you're looking at yourself in a mirror, you're not able to pay as much attention to your movements etc, because you're too focused on what comes next or the physical exertion, whereas watching yourself on a video you can focus on precise movements
I just turned 40 last year and finally started learning the violin. I dismissed that dream a long time ago because I didn’t start when I was 5 years old. I felt kind of ridiculous starting so late but then figured, why the heck not? I stumbled across your channel recently and watched an older video where Eddy said he likes to see adult learners (or something like that). For some reason just hearing you say that really inspired me and helped me feel that if I practice, maybe I can play the kind of music I’ve always wanted to. Paganini is not in the cards, but hopefully something beautiful. You guys are awesome.
Go for it! I am 39 and started violin Novwmber last year. It is not easy plus adults have professional and family life but it is worth trying. Like you said, Pagnanini is maybe too much but it is rewarding and good hobby to take up an instrument. I wish you good luck!
Mid 40s here and started violin last year, its hard but fun, following my teacher advice to practice atleast 10 mins everyday, just consistently
I started playing the violin at age 59. Now I am 65 and I play (sort of) second violin in an orchestra.
So practising pays of!
What did you achieve - which pieces you play?
Can we have more sessions like these? TwoSet-Versity has always been and will always be my first music school. You guys made me and my baby sister love the violin. Even if practice is hectic on other days, we still enjoy every bit of it, we are self taught and just picking up most of our practice tips from you guys. Thankyou so much guys!
Because of your channel, I took courage and joined a local orchestra. Loving It! Thank you!
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Thank you for the insights ❤
It's very helpful and encouraging for those of us whose thinking of starting to learn an instrument (despite the age, etc.)
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You guys literally inspired me to learn violin! Thanks so much! 🎻
I like how Twoset always keep inspiring us to practice❤
@Don't Read My Profile Picture no one wants to
I started violin at 48. I am still loving it.
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I played a little as a kid and for a few months now as an adult. I just turned 41, and got some new violin music for my birthday. I am excited to try some duets.
That sounds nice😋
Tomorrow I will have a year since I bought a violin and started playing! I am now 33 years old. Thanks guys, you are an inspiration! It was your words about practice and hard work that gave me hope that it's still not too late 🙂
That's a very solid episode here! They apparently learnt a lot from what they've been through, and things they shared were so relatable and down-to-earth that I'll be grateful to have them for advice if I get stucked irl. I'm amazed by their insights into finding a good teacher and making progress. Genuine and inspiring in general. This kind of educational contents keeps my love for you guys alive!
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Thank you guys for addressing the "you can still play even when you're older" point! I currently play my clarinet in a community band in my area, and the amount of times that I get asked why I'm still performing at my age (I'm turning 31 this year) is way higher than it ought to be. The answer is because I loved it too much to stop after college. Plus, if I spent all these years learning how to play, why put all of that knowledge to waste when I have so many opportunities to keep going with it?
Seriously, if anyone reading this is unsure of whether or not to keep performing once they're done with school, I would highly encourage you to continue. ESPECIALLY if you enjoy it. Your musical education doesn't have to stop after graduation.
I used to play piano back when I was 9, but circumstances had me stop and I slowly lost all my ability to play (including reading sheet music).
Found you guys a few years back, and I'm now 23 learning harp and am excited to play. You guys made me remember how much I love music and how enjoyable it is. I'm learning online and health keeps me from being able to practice as much as I want, but the journey is fun and I'm having a wonderful time (and I now enjoy listening to classical music!)
Just wanna thank you guys for that.
Reading the comment section under this video really made me feel (again) that Twoset are doing extraordinary things, significant things that might even leave an important dot in the human history🙇♀️ I love you guys dearly with huge respect🙏 It's the luck of this world to have you guys, and it's my greatest fortune to exist in the same generation with you guys😭😭😭
Eddy's motivational tip was so good!!!
and that's true what Brett said as well. Talented people have quit because they didn't follow through with practicing. Talent doesn't make up for not being diligent to put the effort in. Practice is what counts in the long run.
thank you both!!!! 💯😍😁
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Being able to stick with something and stay focused on your goals is a talent too.
I'm someone who plays 5 instruments (piano, flute, violin, organ, handbells), and I absolutely agree that you can learn more than one! I've come to appreciate all the different technical challenges that each of my instruments bring. Thank you for the video, Twoset! Please do a part 2!!!
i play violin , cello, viola, piano, melodica
Don’t worry, it’s never too late to start an instrument. Two grandpas are playing violin right now.
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😂😂 good point
I don't play violin, but I do play a few other instruments (to varying degrees of skill). I should also mention I'm not a professional-grade musician, but I do keep working to improve. Anyway, my experience with learning more than one instrument:
- When I was in elementary school, we started learning recorder; at about that same time, my parents signed me up for piano lessons. That was already two instruments I was learning.
- Jumping ahead a few years, my parents stopped paying for those lessons, but I had the chance to join junior high band class, and I played trumpet.
- Not long after that, I started to try choral singing. (It became easier when my voice finished changing, and I landed firmly in the bass range. Easier, except... I struggle to sing the melodies on a lot of songs. Sad day.)
- After I left junior high and had to return my rental instrument, I kept up with singing occasionally, and in the following years I started playing around with a harmonica. It went on to become the only instrument I self-taught, through a lot of trial and error, over a period of a few years. (It probably would have been easier if I'd had a teacher.)
- In more recent years, I've learned a couple more instruments, namely, tin whistle and ocarina. And now that I finally own my own trumpet, I keep those little flute instruments in my trumpet case.
Now, I can say from my experience, each of these previous instruments was valuable in helping me to learn the next one. (It's similar, I'm told, to how much easier it is to learn a third language, once you've learned a second language. Once that experience makes you familiar with how languages are different, and you recognize little things about language that you didn't before, your brain becomes much quicker to adjust and pick up new vocabulary and grammar and stuff.)
For example, tin whistle and ocarina don't have identical notes to the recorder, but learning recorder got me accustomed to learning how to breathe effectively, and it trained my fingers to move in the way that most woodwind instruments require. For another example, playing trumpet helped me develop my diaphragm and learn how to pace myself, which became crucially important when I wanted to try singing. And of course, playing piano when I was young was my first experience at learning how to read sheet music, and helped me get familiar with different parts of music theory. So, even though I never got very good at piano (though once in a while, I do still try playing piano), it was valuable experience for every instrument and musical endeavour I tried out after that.
As well, I agree with that point, that practicing multiple instruments gives you broader perspective. Some of the instruments I try have different ranges of notes; some play in different keys from one another; some [meaning specifically the trumpet] have sheet music that intentionally lies about the notes you're playing, and need you to transpose if you're reading sheet music for another instrument; some instruments make me tired after less than an hour of practice, while some I could theoretically play all day; and so on. When you have to change between instruments, you start to take notice of little things that you would otherwise take for granted, and that can help you be more conscientous about your habits when you play your "main" instrument.
I will agree with Brett and Eddy, the main drawback of practicing multiple instruments is the division of time; you'll have to devote the most time to the instrument you're most passionate about learning, and it can be difficult to find time to develop yourself on more than one instrument. Oh, and of course, some instruments are more expensive than others, so you'll want to consider that before you go committing to several instruments. (Most of the instruments I've tried out are very cheap; the trumpet was a little more affordable because it was secondhand, but still a bit expensive; on the other hand, the harmonica, tin whistle, and kazoo were less than $10 each, and the ocarina was about $20.) But aside from those two limitations - and this is especially true if you're a hobbyist musician like me, rather than a professional - it's pretty much all upsides. I never noticed it becoming more confusing to remember techniques on one instrument, just because I'd begun practicing another. If you have the opportunity and the interest, I say it's totally worth learning as many instruments as interest you.
So there you go. That's my personal opinion and experience, if that's at all helpful to hear.
I really agree with the way you describe what it's like learning multiple instruments! (I also have a very similar instrument mix as you do, up to a point, I started piano and recorder at the same time, and trumpet a few years later. I also did - and do - choral singing)
I'm an adult learner and this video was exactly what I needed! Yes, please make more!
The thing about having a different perspective because of learning different instruments is so true!
I’ve been primarily singing and playing the pipe organ for the past few years. The singing made me more sensitive to being expressive and proper intonation, and just trying to learn pieces on the pipe organ (with all the counterpoint and hand/foot independence) basically gave me a semester’s worth of music theory and conducting skills. Therefore, when I started teaching myself violin last summer, the intonation from voice and the hand independence from the pipe organ really helped a lot! The pipe organ also made me a better ensemble singer because my mind was better at seeing how multiple parts go together.
My favorite content right here. I relate so much with starting with a person who sounds amazing but not a great teacher. Eventually I changed the teacher and finally things started to fall into the correct place.
Please do a part 2!
I love their serious /in-depth violin discussion!
Thank you for inspiring me to learn the violin and motivating me to practice!
12:49 a part 2 FOR SURE, please! 😊
Thanks so much for answering these questions, Brett and Eddy! Again, you guys are nothing less than an inspiration to all people!
I started playing the violin when I was 6 years old, but after two years I was still playing the same thing over and over again. My parents decided that I had to switch teachers, and that was the best choice ever! Now I am still playing by my second teacher, made so much more progression and really started to enjoy playing the violin. I'm 17 year old now, and still inspired by my teacher who is helping me a lot! Everything you guys said about a good teacher I can recognize in him!
you guys inspire me to get myself motivated to play my instruments !
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I hope these 2 guys understand how many people could be helped by watching this video early enough in their musical journey!!! Thank you boiz!!!
I love these kinds of educational videos, answering questions, explaining, and inspiring and motivating so many people! You guys inspired me greatly, I picked up the violin again from quitting as a kid and you guys motivate me to practice everyday :)
hey,
i started the violin when i was 7 and i have a very musical family and im greatful for what i have learnt and what i will have in store for me in the future. when subscribing to twoset you guys have motivated me even more to keep up my practicing and prepare myself for grade 5 ABRSM i just wanted to say thank you very much for the effort you guys put in to make every video the best
😃😃😃😃😃
Good luck on grade 5! You’ll enjoy it. Keep practicing!
thank youuuu🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤
TwoSet inspires me so much to get back into practicing! It's been a few years, but all is not lost
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Having multiple teachers can actually be a super op combo if they all know each other. I was lucky enough for my parents to come across two teachers that approved of the other's work, and so whenever I'm feeling confused from contradicting info I can just ask. Even better if you're learning different instruments and those teachers also know.
Ive been with these guys for about 5 years, and to see them grow as musicians and people is rlly inspiring, to see them be so wise and giving this kind if advice is rlly something special. So I know this channel has been all about the hoohoos and the hahas, but its times like these where we shouldn't take both of them and this community for granted. I know they probably won't see this but from the bottom of my heart (and I can speak for many of the people here) thank you for being the two amazing ppl you are, and inspiring us to play instruments and make music, you two mean more to us than you can ever imagine.
Plz make more videos just talking about music, instruments and personal experience! Love to see you guys really enjoy when talking about pure music. There’s sparks in your eyes❤❤
Definitely want more videos! As someone who wants to learn an instrument late in life (mid 40s) this helps me to make an informed decision on how to start. My biggest obstacle is how to start. Your videos have helped to push me onto the give it a try side of the fence😊
If you can find a music shop that will rent you a violin, that can be a good place to start. And some music teachers will give the first lesson for free, so you can get to know each other and see if it's a good fit.
Oh yes, please do a part two! I love this type of serious videos about music and music learning. Don't know if there are many people asking questions about the violin, but it'll be fun if part 2 is answering questions violin version.
This content was so good, please create more videos about learning violin.
Thank you for the wonderful response and insightful answers. Hope to see more videos like this in the future. Keep practicing 40 hours a day everyone! 😊
If you are totally new in a city or town, I suggest two things. First, go to concerts and get involved with the musicians, they might suggest a good teacher for you. Two, find the music schools around and talk to students about their experiences with the teachers. It could be a good start
I started learning the violin at age 54. Two years later I am entering ABRSM Grade 4 in June. So yes you can do it. (OK it helped I could read music already from the piano.)
My biggest tip for “elders”: go to an osteopath/physiotherapist fairly frequently to fix the issues that you will definitely have until you learn to relax with the instrument, find the right shoulder rest and chinrest that suit your anatomy etc.
I have learned more about my bad violin habits from my osteopath than from my teacher because she picks up on where I am straining myself (left neck tense = clamping the chin rest; left foot tender = leaning on my left foot while playing).
No, grade 4 does not at all mean that you can do it/ Ity only means that the grades system is a grand money-making exercise to milk people. Any responsible examnier will fail you - but then you won;t come again with your new £60...
More, please! I wish I had known this. I gave up too easily, thinking that if it wasn’t easy, that I wasn’t talented.
Another thing that I didn't see mentioned is that if you're interested in learning an instrument, listen listen listen! Find all kinds of music performed on that instrument, by all different artists and composers, and listen to it as much as you can. Obviously that's something you can do even before you have an instrument or a teacher. Listening is a HUGE part of learning to play with musicality and sensitivity, and it is really important for helping you get a feel for the sounds and styles that you'd like to emulate.
What I think about playing multiple instruments is, every professional musician is likely to play at least the piano at a decent level. Since not every musician is a professional pianist they will play another instrument at a high level, so you got already two. Not sure though if concert pianists would have learnt a second instrument but I'd guess so, at least a little bit. I'm sure any Jazz musician has a basic level on piano and drums too.
Also there are people like me who rather do things decent than doing one thing very, very well. And I can say, it is possible to play multiple instruments at a high niveau. The question should not be "is it possible to play multiple instruments well?" but "do you have time and money to practice your instruments?" because it is definitely possible, I'd say beneficial, to learn multiple instruments
All musicians must learn piano and have exams in piano, too.
This is such a great video! More please! I can relate to a lot of these things. Especially the stuff about how important a good teacher is. After, I changed teachers there were a lot of things I was shocked that no one had taught me (like even reading music properly). I think structure and having a curriculum is extremely important as well. I am currently preparing for an exam and this is helping me get up to scratch.
You guys have inspired me so much on so many levels. You have completely changed my life and brought so much meaning to it! Thank you!
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I think it depends on the person. I’ve had structure.
I’ve had missing components. Right now I like the customized flexible lessons I have
I was inspired by you to start the violin! It isn’t easy, but your videos are super inspiring!
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The comments! 🥺❤ Very inspiring. Thank you twoset for bringing us all together.
Perfect timing in making this video: At the end of this month, the first string instrument will finally join my "collection of instruments"🎉🎉 as I'm starting viola lessons, something I've been working towards for months now! Thanks, you two, for helping me fall in love with this gorgeous, underappreciated instrument!
I can't believe they're back to posting two videos a week I'm so happy
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I am a dancer and I was always told, you should take lessons with EVERY teacher you can. Every teacher has things that they are good at and things they arent. Any teacher who doesn't want you to go elsewhere is sus
I started learning at 65 (retirement project). I bought my violin after a lot of internet research from an internationally reputable company. I tried teaching myself but got to the point where I couldn't tell what to focus on. So I looked up the Suzuki teachers. Great progress (3 books in two years) learned from a Russian teacher who was great. Now I'm taking a bit of a break with only irregular practice but life is in flux at the moment. I will get back to regular practice when life settles down. Love the violin. It's fiendish and I barely can achieve what I aspire to. But I can play beginners' pieces fairly well so I'm pretty happy with progress so far.
BRETT TALKING ABOUT MENDELSSOHN! FINALLY!
TwoSet, when are we getting a 1-hour, nerdy "TwoSet Reacts to TwoSet 4 Mil Concert" video?! I want to hear every detail about practicing every single annoying shift! Or even just an hour of the two of you just talking about the lead-up to the concert, and the actual experience on the day itself, and the aftermath? (I'll settle for less than an hour if I absolutely must, or you can just split it up into several videos because some people find long videos daunting for some reason)
For the two instrument thing, It definitely is harder but is so fun! I am learning both Clarinet and Bassoon currently (I have been playing Clarinet for a couple years, but there is plenty to learn still.) and both have respectively helped me with eachother, I have realized how to tongue better on the clarinet due to the bassoon and have learned how to glide through fingerings and flicking thanks to the clarinet for bassoon! My only gripe about it is that it will take a lot more time and hard work, and as well sometimes it can get confusing if you mix up certain fingerings/techniques with the seperate instruments.
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I learned the trombone at school after doing violin and a bit of piano at home. They didn’t get confused because they were so different
62 here. Got a violin for my last birthday from a fifth generation luthier, but .. shoulder injury prevented playing initially and then a bad accident which resulted in 2nd & 3rd degree burns from just above elbow to just below my right wrist.
On top of that there os literally NO violin tutors in my town or nearby that teach adults. Ive found someone online and will go with him when my arm is ready ( almost there!). I’ve recently started to learn the fingering / notes on the violin.
Keep up with this please - vital for us newbies.
Thanks for going so in depth
Thanks for all the inspiration TwoSet! You got me back into classical music and in turn I've gotten all my friends and coworkers into it.
In a addition to what they said at the end, (and I think this was a great video), sometimes a person feels they haven't progressed because they are beginning to really listen critically to what they are doing and they noticed what is not developed. Maybe now they really can hear intonation problems that they weren't aware of before or hear the uneven vibrato. They think they are doing worse when actually by identifying the problem. they have taken a great step forward. Great job, guys!
For finding a new teacher, go look for your local luthier first! They often have good connections with the local music community and often also know a lot of teachers personally
I went thru everything you're saying here, started young, had multiple teachers, spent years undoing wrong habits that had already set in from not too good teachers, moved on to very good teachers but couldn't gel well at all, not having the avenue to look for other teacher. Got sold an expensive violin from teacher, had parents putting pressure on and finally couldn't touch my violin for years.
I'm 38 this year and after trying to restart every single time that failed previously, I'm here listening to all this in your words. It's surreal. Thanks for re-set-ting everyone to a better path. ❤
As for the self taught vs teacher question, I'm definitely of the belief that you NEED a teacher to truly get good at your instrument. I've been able to learn a couple pieces on the piano with no training beyond UA-cam tutorials and they sound competent; but I don't even know my scales, the names of all the chords, how to read music, etc. When you're self taught you tend to jump into what sounds nice before learning the fundamentals, so it may seem like you're miles ahead of traditional learners but really you're just learning something different. And you really do need that foundation to be able to play your instrument rather than just a song on your instrument.
I started cello at 50 and never looked back! To be honest, I've been playing violin since the age of 12 (even that's kind of late but my school district didn't start band or orchestra any earlier). People are amazed that I picked up a new instrument as late as I did. And believe me, the cello may belong to the string family, but it's a whole other animal when it comes to technique and clef reading!! Yeah, I probably could have taught myself, but I took lessons for about 3 solid years.
For those of you not knowing where to find a teacher, lots of local music stores offer lessons on various instruments. Rent your instrument from the store, sign up for in-store lessons, and decide if it's something you'd like to continue with. A local community orchestra helped me find a new teacher when the one I started with moved. Another 2 good places to look for teachers are colleges/universities and local public and private schools that have a program that teaches the instrument you want to learn. When I was younger, my private violin teacher taught at a local middle school. And, side note, I found a theory teacher at a local college who gave private lessons when I needed knowledge of music theory for an advanced degree I wanted to pursue. Finally, take in some local concerts that include the instrument you want to learn. If you have the opportunity to talk to any of the players after the concert, they may give lessons themselves or know of people who do.
Don't let limiting beliefs stop you from achieving your goals! Where there's a will, there's a way!
Love hearing all your open hearted advises guys, I found your channel looking for motivation to my 7 years old daughter practice!! you've made this tenure a lot smoother for us!!! tons of thanks for you two.... and we've try a second teacher Thants to you and he's way better than the first..
I started watching you in 2019 and you convinced me one year later to start playing trumpet at 20 and I am so happy that did, everyone was telling me "but aren't you too old, you should have started at 6". At first I was feeling a little out of place at music school because there were almost only kids and I was learning from them but now it's ok.
Edit: joke on me, i was at rehearsal an hour ago for the third time in the music school orchestra (I already am at the school junior orchestra which is pretty chill). BUT the level is another level if that make sense, pretty much all the people have at least 15years of experience. It was the worst 2h of my trumpet life, i felt like crying, my self esteem is gone😎🧚🏽♂️🪄✨
(Sorry for the english, it's not my first language)
I’m sorry it was hard. But think of the advantage to you to play with people who are better! You can watch and learn. You can benefit from listening and being immersed, like Mozart as a baby with his about 9 older siblings playing music around him. If you’re that much worse than everyone they won’t be annoyed at you, they’ll be impressed when you do anything right. Comparison is the thief of joy. Just do what you can. Keep at it.
@@M_SC Yes, agree with you.
It depends on the orchestra type, but if you feel it's not right for you (yet), maybe just stick with the other orchestra for the time being, or maybe ask your teacher/the conductor if there are any bars you can skip etc. I play trumpet myself - idk what level you're at and what repertoire the orchestra is playing, but sometimes it's as easy as skipping a run or transposing a few high notes, and many conductors in more informal orchestras are pretty chill about it in my experience.
What I *wouldn't* recommend (just based on your story) is leaving everything as is. Apart from playing trumpet, I've also sung in many choirs over the course of my life, and in my experience from that, it depends on how big the "gap" is whether it's worth to push yourself and persevere or move to a different choir (or in your case orchestra).
If it's a gap that you can see yourself closing (or mostly closing) within the next year, then stick with it - playing with an ensemble as the worst of the bunch in that situation (again, this is jsut my experience) can be incredibly educational and really motivate and inspire you to improve.
If the gap is larger than that (and assuming that the orchestra 'expects' a certain standard or isn't willing to let you play an easier part), it's just going to be frustrating for everyone involved, most of all you, and, the balance between 'fun' and 'suffering' will never really tip towards 'fun', which is not a sustainable situation. In that case, stick with the other orchestra, or find one that's in-between the two in terms of level, for the time being, until you feel comfortable with more difficult repertoire.
i started off playing piano at first when i was younger but i decided to also play violin as well but i got confused with the finger numbers, i eventually just felt violin was for me and now i'm still going strong playing violin and thanks to Twoset i have a place where i can learn and get motivation to continue :) currently working on Vivaldi violin concerto in a minor!
Not just a part two, but genuinely love all the informative videos you do because you can see your passion for your art come through just in the way you both speak.
Why does Brett have to be so cute?! 😭🥰
Really interesting and helpful. I have been on the fence for months about learning violin, mostly because I didn’t even know where to start. I’d love to see a 2nd part to this. Thanks for the info and all your inspiration💖
Mebee go for a rental violin for the first year or so... You won't know what sound you want as an outright beginner and you couldn't try out any instruments cos you can't yet play!! OLAF THE VIOLIN MAKER... TwoSet's luthier in Australia... has a channel with helpful vids on getting started and what to look for in an instrument. You need some bits such as - shoulder rest, rosin, mute (mebee), music stand, music(!), microfibre cloth, tuning gizmo - I'd be lost without mine. It sits across the peg box so I can see what notes I'm playing! And yes, find a good supportive teacher...
@@wakingtheworld thanks for the info. Renting is what I have been considering. Now. I just need to find a teacher.
@@aquamarine9568 Someone in the comments was saying ask orchestra players who they have/recommend. I got lucky with mine... though my one gripe is that he's still doing Zoom calls!!! There's the time lag thing that's annoying and some things just have to be explained by showing you in person... especially in the beginning. Getting the shoulder rest comfortable for starters. And I've learnt there are different shoulder rests!
I love how Brett massages his violin hickey with the scroll of the violin😂
The thing that helped me was finding my current teacher, who is very diagnostic with his approach. I'm a medical student who recently started learning violin again, and it feels nice to learn about things like posture and form in terms of anatomy. I chip in with some science now and then, and my teacher is cool enough to be interested, so it really feels like we are working together, instead of him working ON me. It's interesting how people who are long-time practitioners of an art tend to know what will work, but aren't very aware of why it works, whereas with those of us who spend our time with books, we are very aware of why certain things do work, but not so good at recommending the correct course of action. Honestly, feeling like you're part of a team working on something while contributing in a diverse manner is so much better for improving quickly than feeling like a superior is ordering you around. Oh, and if your teacher regularly picks up their instrument and asks you to look at particular things or feel what is happening, that's extremely helpful, especially for when you practice on your own. And no, it's never too late to start. Most people at that stage don't want to become Hilary Hahn or Janine Jansen, and that means you can practice freely for the love of the craft. Which is probably what those folks do anyway.
Having a violin teacher really helps. Not only can they point out when your wrong with something and help out, it makes you practice more and actually do it everyday so you can perform well at your next lesson. I feel like I would've given up violin if I never got a teacher. Its a boost of motivation!
Wholeheartedly agree... Brett's a good motivator too! Because I have to work to pay for my lessons, it's another incentive to get the most out of them...
Please do part 2,3,4!! This also helps me find motivation and feel that I'm not alone out here practicing
Hey Twoset!
Going on with that point of making sure you find a good teacher, I was fortunate enough to find a fantastic music teacher at the beginning of university. I am currently a vocal music education major BTW. Finding someone curious about what you have gone through before coming to college is SUPER IMPORTANT! I absolutely agree with finding a teacher who can truly teach and LOVES it as well! It is easy to be blown away by someone having a beautiful voice or playing their instrument beautifully and not think about whether they can teach someone to play or sing with healthy and proper technique. It is also very important to make sure the teacher you find makes you comfortable in class. I am lucky enough to have a teacher who is a phenomenal performer and knows their voice so well that they can translate to others to help students like me to improve our craft. For incoming college music students, a good hack is to take a lesson with one of the faculty members at each university you have applied to so that deciding where you want to go will be easier. Music is an art and finding someone who can support you and make you feel good about who you are is KEY! These are just my thoughts on that point :)
I would love to see additional parts and more in-depth music questions answered. Especially if we can get higher level questions from experienced musicians to get a perspective of what low-level vs high-level music discussions look like
Also, I have been binge-watching your channel and you guys have made me listen to classical music again and make me want to pick up an instrument again. Thank you so much, I hope to see you guys in concert soon!
you are both smart guys. I only started watching you about 1 month ago. I'm not a player but I wish I was. I am 66 yo and think it is too late for me to pick up a violin and start learning. You are both truly amazing players. 😁😁Your channel is so informative and funny that it is so enjoyable and entertaining. Keep up the good work.
You guys are one of the reasons I picked up my guitar again
11:00 I'm 50, I started last year due to you two adorable musical maniacs. 😉😊
No, 50 is not too late to start. Unless you'd want a musical career (that train left a long time ago). Oh, and I started bass! 🎸
I loved your back and forth with Davie!
2:24
Um, yeah. Actually, speaking from my own experiences, this is what happened. And then I (re-found) Twoset (after 5 yrs) and Brett and Eddy have helped me so much to recover that love for music, and I cannot thank them enough.
Brett & Eddy,
You guys are doing so much more than you realize. I love you both so much and I thank you infinitely.
Wow I love how they used to just joke around. but now they both are really helping people with good advice. 👏
What a contrast to the last video 😂😂
the last question 😭😭😭 that was exactly what I struggled with - the progress. so thank you guys so much, for giving tips about it, its REALLY useful!
I'd like to add about passion/patior, that patior more specifically means "to bear" or "endure", so it's not suffering as in, suffering pain, more more the idea that you have to undergo something for a longer periode of time! So passion is just undergoing something for a long time!