How to Find the Property Lines of Any Home (Version 4)
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2023
- In this video, I will provide an in-depth analysis of how to find your property lines and conduct an experiment to determine which satellite imaging service (LandGlide, Google Earth Parlay 2.0, or County GIS) will provide users with the most accurate longitude and latitude coordinates when compared to their actual property corners.
I will teach viewers how to use satellite imaging to find their own longitude and latitude coordinates and then how to find those coordinates out in the real world once they have them.
We will then test which satellite imaging service (LandGlide, Google Earth Parlay 2.0, or County GIS) gives the highest degree of accuracy when using these tools to locate the property lines of any home. To determine which is the most reliable.
Disclaimer: If you are buying/selling land/property ALWAYS hire and pay a land surveyor to get them exact. This video is meant to aid land buyers and neighbors with minor property disputes. Smiles from here.😊
What I used in this video:
1. LandGlide: landglide.com/
2. Google Earth: earth.google.com/web/
3. Property Line / Parcel Data: reportallusa.com/solutions/pa...
4. Coordinate / GPS Formatter: apps.apple.com/us/app/coordin...
5. Garmin GPS-MAP 65* (Hand Held-Outdoor): www.garmin.com/en-US/p/715085
For other videos in this series:
How To Find Property Lines (Version 2)
• How To Find The Proper...
How To Find Property Lines (Version 3)
• How to Find the Proper...
Thanks for Revisiting.
Using your Method will get one close.
Helpful if you just need to know where to look for the Actual Pins.
An inexpensive Metal Detector can also be useful to sweep around the GPS area to find the Actual Pins.
Yes, good points. A metal detector can be helpful. In Version 2 of this series I was able to demonstrate some good practices for that.
This method helped me locate a property stake, buried in a densely wooded area. Got within 5' using a Garmin Foretrex 601. But when the trees leafed out it became impossible to return to the same location. The limited number of satellite signals was the cause.
Good work Rick. I like it.
It may get close, but hire a surveyor for sure !
For my subscribers reading comments........This guy wants you to spend $1,200 or $2,000 to get your property Surveyed before even trying other solutions that can range from $5 to $8.
@@MarkTheRealtor you are going to cost people a lot of money surveys get you within .5 inches. If you rely on 3 FEET accuracy, you could be in a lot of expensive trouble.
@@edwardfisher2787 Edward, I have coached 1,000's of home owners to find their properties either EXACTLY, or within inches of exact. Again this year I will order, pay for, and review around 60 Survey's. And every year 6 of them are wrong. I mean dead wrong. Any suggestion that Surveys are Perfect and GPS is always wrong has been shown to be a wrong assumption.
@@edwardfisher2787 If you get within 3 ft, you can find a buried steel pipe stake which is usually quite sufficient.
Mark Glad you finally brought up the issues of Geometry.
Those 14", 32", 31" variances can get you sued and lose in court where you may have to pay your own legal fees, the court costs, and the other guys court costs. Get some quotes and get a real surveyor. I wouldn't depend on a geolocation mapping app. Satellites are off
For viewers reading comments, the solution you will see over and over again is to pay $1,300 or $2,500 for a Survey. Legally Survey's are supposed to be the most accurate, but I have had Survey's done where there was over 100' of inaccuracy. With the video's on my channel you have more tools to use now.
@@MarkTheRealtor tell them about dual-frequency GPS in smartphone, and sbas support.
super overview and exactly what I was looking for and appreciate the education on the accuracy and options available - just beginning to delve into the options out there and if I really need to hire a pro or can get close enough with what I am planning with my backyard.
Thanks for the not DO. Also on my Channel are 15 Use Cases that discuss when important Survey's are recommended and sometimes when they are not. My neighbor wanted to build a swing set near his back property line, and he felt like getting a $1,200 survey for that use case was not needed.
Outstanding! ... Love the HP 41CV too!
You noticed. Impressive. Thank you. Yes, RPN.
I remember when HP-35 was new. 1973, I think.
@@jimbell4137 Very observant Jim. 1985 HP-41CX with programmable cartridges. RPN with no equals sign. It still works.
@@MarkTheRealtor My father bought my sister and I TI SR-50 calculators when they came out, in 1973. $170. Much cheaper than the HP-35.
@@jimbell4137 Hi Jim. Thanks for the memories. Too fun. I miss those days.
What do the buzzers mean in your video? I thought you mispoke but I saw no correction
Thanks for the note. The buzzer is typically bad news.
minimg claims are located with a discovery post and corner posts that are all determined from the location of the first post, i.e. post #1 by township, range, section and sometimes divisions of the section, se nw etc. then post #2 is X number feet in the direction from the first post. post #3 and #4 follows suit. no gps coordinates are marked. lots of inaccuracies and no updates on the location method. However the BLM uses gps machines that are very accurate to record where the digging on the claim is to happen. They don't tell you those exact coordinates...maybe you have to ask for them? So a miner could be digging out of bounds and not know it.
So interesting. It does sound like a complicated puzzle.
I live in a remote location on a mountain. Lousy Internet and no cell reception. What can be done. OnX can give me the boundary lines but no tracking.
In Oregon in the Willamette valley.
Hi Russ. Thanks for the note. Does your County have the parcels mapped accurately? IF so perhaps you could get the Lat/Long Coordinates off your County site? And then in hilly areas I would recommend a Garmin type of handheld that can triangulate off of 10+ satellites at once.
@@racker7855 Racker, he is asking about the tracking feature in OnX. Not about the difference between Survey's and the County GIS.
Hire a licensed professional.
@@robmcmillan3766 I don’t have that kind of money. 😏 I have 3 of the 5 pins located. Just need to clear brush.
Mark apology for the weird ask - but I've been trying to get hold of an inflatable globe like yours in that size for months! Any links? Much appreciated. Really learned a lot from your video, didn't realise what could be done with existing software.
Hi Dan. Sure, no problem. I found mine on Amazon and have used it so many times. Search "Huge Inflatable Globe, 1 Meter in Diameter, Earthball". The volume is so vast, consider going to a gas station and using there tire inflation pump.
@@MarkTheRealtor much appreciated!
I paused to see if I would have to sign in.. One of several Geometric aspects you did not mention and this one should be is the Satelite positiona relative to your Phone. Your Phone (Receiver) was held or mounted on a Pedistal. This adds around a yard above the spot you marked. Satelites are usually anywhere from 10 to 90 deg abobe the Horizon in any direction incurring a significant paralax error. This should be considered in your calculations. I guess for best relative accuracy your Phone would have to be on the Ground. thanx jw K5JDW
Hi John. It's a pedestal. And it was about 40" off the ground. During the readings there were 12 or more satellites tracking the location at all times. The parallax to which you are referring over that 40" of height may have caused the measurement to be off 0.00001 meters which is roughly the width of a human hair. I'm not putting the Garmin or my Phone on the ground for that type of tolerance.
I suggest people buy those laser distance measure devices, $20-40 each. They measure 50-120 meters, and I've seen 150 meter and even 200 meter measure units. Sadly, I haven't seen an equivalently cheap angle measure device, a theodolite, or a way to make a total station. Sure, a professional surveyor would call this a 'toy', but technology advances by providing older technology at lower prices than before.
Thank you for sharing Jim.
Subbing JUST for the flat Earth dig ❤
Thanks Folee. Was hoping that did not disappoint anyone. It certainly is new news.
As a title company owner we find surveying mistakes all the time. They get testy when a title company calls them and informs them that the legal description they wrote is wrong. Title companies insure these properties and are liable for the accuracy of what we put in the title policies. The surveyor can be held liable also.
Great points. I order and pay for 60 Survey's a year and 10% of them are wrong. Often they are dead wrong. And the surveyors do enjoy saying the Title is dysfunctional. Sometimes, not always, they're right.
I like good ole physical surveying, thx. I am shocked these satellites don't secure mor accurate measurements.
Yes, thank you for the note. Yes it is widely understood that Survey's are more accurate. AND, we all know many will not pay the $600 or $1,200 to survey even a small parcel.
If you are on a ball, everybody in Australia would be upside down. It is really that simple, and the complicated explanation provided to excuse the obvious is so insane. Of course this place is not literally flat though it is an extended plane of varying heights.
Is there any way to get within a few inches?
With the current technology available to the public, I think this is the best we can do. Surveyor's have more expensive equipment and can get very accurate.
Lol some lots have no meets and bounds. Mine was only a written description of land features that was written in a different language.
Exactly go back to handwritten field
Notes taken using magnetic comp. 100 yrs that were later used to set hwy 80 and mining claims ....
Wow, Andrew. I have never seen one in another language. Very interesting.
As magnetic north wanders around.
Many old surveys "set" the basic plan..
Just try and undo a 100 year old map...I have seen graveyards start hatfield / mcCoy wars and no one wins.
Good point Lee. Yes I was surprised about how much magnetic north and fluctuate from true north. And it moves every day. Ahhhhhh.
I have the coordinates. I will look into getting a Garmin. Thank you.
I was able to find some pre-owned ones on Amazon that were half priced. They are so accurate that they have become my favorite handheld.
When I used Google Earth and Parlay I get this image showing property lines running through my house and houses in my neighborhood. Any way to correct? I also checked municipal maps and see the same error.
Hi Main. Okay, that is brutal. It sounds like an issue with your County GIS Dept having that plat shifted over 50'?
That’s because GIS uses tax maps. Tax maps only show the property lines approximately. When you open up your local GIS it probably has a disclaimer explaining that GIS is not exact.
@@tybrady4598 the lines are so fast off they could not even be considered "approximate".
GPS isn’t accurate enough on your phone.
The difference between Survey accuracy and GPS phone accuracy is clearly shown on most of my video's. On video and on spreadsheets. When you say it isn't accurate enough. May I ask, for who?
I understand exactly what you are saying however I don’t think we can locate our properties exactly by using GPS numbers. From what I understand, our government messes with the settings so they aren’t always exact. If they don’t want you to find an exact point, they can adjust the settings so they are not accurate, well at least that’s what I’ve always been told. Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong. Thank you.
Thanks for weighing in Frank. Yes, I too have heard that intentional bias is added. In measuring dozens of properties I own or have under contract the accuracy is rarely outside of 5' and usually within 3'. Many of my parcels have had a survey prior, but the pins have been covered over the years.
Until 2000 something called S/A, or selective availability was used to deaccurize GPS but that was ended. For a long while smartphones used GPS that was commonly reference to be 10 meters accurate, though it was probably more like 5 meters. Recently smartphones have been built that have something called dual frequency GPS and sbas corrections. If your phone has both, the accuracy approaches 1 meter. If you're willing to spend about $600, you can get a GPS receiver with an accuracy of about 10 millimeters, a technique called RTK. But you will have a lot of learning to do. Even then, the problem is that most survey drawings don't even reference latitude and longitude: they reference distances to stakes in the neighborhood.
google earth, the website, is only giving 1 second of accuracy. How are you getting the fractions of a second?
On top of the Google Earth standard accuracy, I overlay Parcel 2.0. It was easy to install.
A second of latitude is about 102 ft. A second of longitude at 45° latitude is about 78 ft. GPS canb do far better than these values. If a smartphone has dual frequency GPS capability it might have an accuracy of 2 meters. If it also has sbas capability, it might have an accuracy of 1 meter.
You should look at the settings for Google Earth: I believe it will go to a resolution of 1 meter.
@@jimbell4137 Agreed Jim. I actually have a video where the 102' and my calculations were 80' across for the width. The SmartPhone is showing to be somewhat accurate, but my multi-channel Garmin is even more accurate.
Can someone tell me how to locate the coordinates on my Survey Map, NO(DEG SYMBOL)28'44"W? I am not sure how to read this and convert to decimals.
Hi Sharon. I just spent a month making a new video about this very topic. Please check back tomorrow as it gets released. There will be a link in the comments you can use.
@@MarkTheRealtor thank you!
fascinating
Thanks YTI for watching. Hopefully there were a few lessons learned in here.
my village was survey from opposite ends, east/west. this caused vast errors in property lines. some peoples' houses weren't on their property as an example. Two county employees came to my property boundary and told me that there was a road between my and my neighbor's property...but even the county didn't have the exact location. the road should be about 100' long. which is located about in our driveways. nothing ever came from it yet, but eventually something could happen due to the different original surveys of the town.
Very interesting Richard. Thanks for sharing.
I live in st louis city. My house was built in 1921 long before it was incorporated into st louis city. The property survey from 1921 and from when I purchased my home in 1994 are the same.
Talking with a new neighbour he kept saying the city owns the sidewalk and the grass/ tree strip to the road. I disagreed. But being curious I wanted to compare my property survey from 1994 when I purchased my home, with what the city has in record. I called the cities Recorder of Deeds Land Records Department. I first ask about who owns the grass/ tree strip. I was told the city does. I ask if I can come down and compare my survey with what they have on record and was told they don't have land surveys maps.. ?
So how do they know what is what ?
I know the city and utilities have easements for sidewalks, power, sewer, cable, planting trees along the street,etc.. But if they own it Id like to know when that happened, and why do I have to mow it and clean off the snow on it ?
Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry I do not know how to solve this one.
The municipal authorities do own the planting strip and the sidewalk however it is the homeowner's responsibility to repair and upkeep these same areas. It was explained to me that this is a "citizen contract" we have with the government.
@@TheDroppedAnchor Thank you for sharing this knowledge. Well received.
This guy is dangerous. Misleading information is worse than no information. What good is a DIY survey that is only accurate to 4 ft. A professional survey is good for 1:10,000, or 1/8th of an inch. Yea, it's expensive but so is the equipment to produce the accuracy, not to mention the training to interpret legal descriptions, establishment of control points, prorations, and a myriad of other issues.
For the viewers reading comments, this guy and his comment is dangerous to your bank account. As property owners YOU have the right to know where your approximate and sometimes exact property lines are located. My neighbor is building a swing set for his kids near the back property line and the Apps were perfect for him. But people like this want home owners to spend $1,200-$3,000 every time they have even a curiosity about the land they own. On my channel I just released a video about when to use a Site Plan, a GIS Map, or a Survey. Please look for it as it explains more.
ua-cam.com/video/OdM0Bhy7LFY/v-deo.html
10:38 - Flat Earthers trigger warning.
Too funny. Thanks for the laugh.
Does this work for any property around the world or is this for US properties only. Just wondering as there is more to the world than the US.
Hello Wizzardo. Good question. Each App will cast its own net. For LandGlide is has over 3,000 Counties in the USA and Canada. And I heard about some in New Zealand and Australia.
Another excellent video
Thank you. This video was longer than I expected. I should have simplified it.
I will definitely check that out. Thanks for the info. 😊
Hope you like it!
I got a metal detector on clearance to use at the beach. $32. I used it to relocate my metal pipe property lines after my whole neighbor pulled out the existing rebar. So, I relocated them and cemented the rebar just outside the metal pipe area. Spray painted the pipes orange first.
Good thoughts pinschrunner. Well received.
@@MarkTheRealtor Good thought? Just place pins where you “think” they should be.
@@jdmather5755 I have never placed a pin in my life. And, on several of my video's I hire Surveyors to place the pins and I publish the results.
no google maps has wrong parcel data and lit alignments. wayyyy off. this will not work
Hi Steven. Thanks for the note. You have me thinking. I have not been able to find Parcel Data on Google Maps. Have you? Now, on Google Earth with the Parlay 2.0 overlay, it has been useful. Coach me back please.
0:12 Mark, when were you a passenger on any space flight? Or when did you last traverse the equator?
Without answering those questions in any affirmative manner, maybe you should stick with "We'll have to agree to disagree", on the earth shape issue.
I'm taking other people's word that it's round also. 😜
BTW, fun and interesting content.
Thanks Blains for watching and commenting.
never assume your GPS is accurate. The newest retail models are better but not like commercial grade products.
Yes, good point TT.
i guess you dont know the basic properties of water eh? :P
Relying on LandGlide, or any other GIS type service, for precise coordinates is foolish. Even Landglide tells you this: "The parcel lines within our database are fairly accurate. The property lines are not intended to represent actual recently surveyed property lines and are not recommended to use for legal purposes. Counties will rely on deeds and plats of record regarding disputes in the property lines." - The presenter may have said as much at some point, I was not able to watch deep into the video.
Nearly word for word from the disclaimers I make in the video's. Not exact, but often very close. And in most of my video's I hire a Survey team to check the Accuracy of the Apps.
@@MarkTheRealtor I expected that you would make that disclaimer, I had to run out of the office and could not finish watching it. - I happened upon it because of frustrations I have with surveys that I work with that never seem to agree with each other on their bearings, they also never agree with Google Earth, or my own compass bearings. When I am trying to find a pin that is 1500 yards away in a flat field just 1 degree of declination is troublesome, putting it mildly. I have a brand new survey that was just supplied to me, 60 acre parcel, and every single bearing on the survey is almost exactly 2 degrees off from what Google Earth claims as being True North. Thanks for the video by the way, from what I saw it looked very well done.
@@katy-fulshearrealestate7675 Great points Katy! Thanks for the positive energy. You sound like the type of person who knows this already....but here goes. Are you aware that True North and Magnetic North are different? The actual magnetic north wobbles every year and does not go through the North Pole. Weird right?
@@MarkTheRealtor Yeah, I am aware of this. I check and verify the latest declination on the day of my visits at the lat/long I am visiting. - The real question I have is for the survey crews that supply the surveys I work with. It's not the geo location points, but it's the bearings they show on the survey. - I have checked Google Earth (GE) bearings against a number of known geo-locations in the US - such as the Four Corners Monument, and GE is always within a 1/4 degree of the geo-locations marked bearings. So I have to assume that I can trust GE to be at least within 1/3 of a degree of accuracy, yet when I lay bearings on a brand new large-scale survey, the surveyor's shown bearings are off, and usually consistently within the survey I am looking at. Such as the one I mention above. In that survey, every single shown property line's bearing is off by almost exactly 2 degrees, 2 degrees higher than the bearings from GE. And it's not like the surveyor is showing Magnetic North, if so in this particular geo-location he would be under, not over. Are there any surveyors reading this that can answer that question? Do you check your equipment and make sure it's adjusted for true north? Or is this something that really doesn't concern you that much? In the end, if the readings are all consistent and the markers are all identified it really doesn't change much as far as the boundary lines are concerned. So maybe they aren't too worried about it? >>>> EDIT: So I got my question answered, at least mostly answered. I met the survey crew at the property this morning in order for me to see exactly where the marking pins were located. The bearings that are shown on the survey and the metes and bounds, they did not do. They don't take bearings themselves unless it's a new survey for a new parcel to be filed. In this case, they pulled all of the bearings off of the existing metes and bounds filed at the county and just wrote them into the new one. This property was originally surveyed about 60 years ago, so it's pretty difficult to know how good the equipment that was used was at the time.
Ohhhh has nothing to do with the built in accuracy of gps and other tools you used. 🙄 you need to stop. BTW GIS stands for get it surveyed because most gis info isn't accurate unless it was surveyed 1st.
I can agree with you on one point. The accuracy comes from both GPS -and- the GIS County data. GIS does not stand for Get It Surveyed. Did you even watch the video? I did get it Surveyed and the results are shown and discussed. If you want to be 'snarky' please pay attention before you start typing.
@MarkTheRealtor I did watch it but do you know how many people are going to think they can survey their property using an app after watching? I also know that isn't what GIS stand for that's a surveying joke because so many GIS maps are not close to accurate. My friend uses onX and while we were hunting. He said this says it's your neighbors property can I park here. I said yeah that's my property, not his. It's closer in subdivisions like you sho, but rural areas are atrocious.
step 1, get rid of any globes you can find, they are a LIE
Good point Guy. Yes, we are all sure the The Earth is really Flat.
This guy is purporting facts which are not true. He assumes every property has accurate coordinates rectified to a specific geiod. His representation of accuracy is misleading. Hire a professional land surveyor to actually determine property lines.
For people reading these comments, the accuracy during my videos is Measured right on the Video.. Sure it's easy to say "Hire a Surveyor" but how many people are going to pay the $1,200-$2,500 for a survey. There are at least 20 reasons why homeowners want an approximation of their property lines with out paying all that money.
Wow! This is as good as my ham radio hobby. Great detail, relatively easy to understand, use my Garmin 64s (dust off), and go outside. Thank you so much for explaining how to do this. Edit. Oops GE Pro no longer has Parlay 2.0 so I'll try the county method.... and rewatch your video.
Thanks for the note William. I did find some affordable Garmin's online that are pre-owned.
@@MarkTheRealtor My garmin works fine. It's my State Plane map that list coordinates in Feet that I can't figure how to convert to Lat/lon. Easting & Northing conversion didn't work either.
@@williamokrasinski9840 Good question William. I'm not sure on that one. There are some Garmin tutorials on UA-cam that perhaps could help?
You are delusional if you beLIEve you live on a tilted, wobbling, spinning and rocketing wet rock with an ATMOSPHERE next to a VACUUM 🤣
Made me smile. Too funny.
Wow, how to use geo-technology related words and phrases almost 100% incorrectly!
Your video title suggests, "any home", nope - this is USA-centric!
You claim WiFi is involved in getting 6 decimal point accuracy, nope - those are simply calculated relative to the zoom-level.
USA Military continuously "baby-sit" the GPS satellites - Tom Scott did a video on this - and accuracies are dependant on many factors, none of which you mentioned (certainly not the transformer box). Final resolution of even military GPS is never any better than about 1 metre.
Your long/lat boxes at your location might well have those dimensions, however, try measuring same resolution boxes at higher or lower latitudes - the dimensions change.
...and I could go on, but I suspect my comment will be deleted!
Your Country does not have GoogleEarth and GPS (or other satellites)?
I tested it the date With and Without WIFI and the accuracy was better with Wifi. My experience and your comment do not align.
The accuracy was tested right there next to the Registered Survey. It seems you did not watch the entire video as it was right there in front of your eyes.
Correct, Graticule boxes change based on the Lat/Long. No Duh!
"Resolution Boxes" ? Really?
No, just no. Timothy L. Blackmon, PSM
And yet 1,000's have watched this video over and over because it has helped them. With over 2,000,000 views this channel is helping property owners say Yes, just yes.
This guy is missing the point. Property lines can't be determined digitally to the accuracy purported. He is blowing smoke with no professional credibility. Hire a professional surveyor. That's better than finding yourself in court because improvements are built across an inaccurate property line location.
I think the message is that GPS can provide an approximation, but can't be relied on for down to the foot, much less fraction of an inch accuracy.
My concern is that even when professional surveyors are used, you may only obtain accuracy to within a foot, maybe inches, but even then, a margin of error exists.
The point is that if your intent is to construct a property line barrier like a fence, wall, or hedge, some give and take with your neighbor may be in order, esp where uneven terrain or ground movement exists. IMO. G'luck.
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Surveyors can get things down to about about half an inch or even tighter if need be.
He specifically says this is why you need a professional surveyor at 12:15. Maybe listen to the video before ripping the guy a new one.
Definitely need a surveyor, the error is only less than half inch.
THE EARTH IS FLAT- THE SCRIPTURES
Thanks David for the laugh.