Forging a Knife with an Integral Handle PART 2
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2024
- Forging a knife from 52100 steel with an integral handle augmented with ornamental work underneath.
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Talk about doing things the "Max Powers way"! We still got there and I like the result. So, go Steve!
If you sift the sand casting sand you will get a finer detail mold
In the video you mentioned you can't forge brass, but I distinctly remember having forged a brass goblet when I was in jewelry school.
So maybe you just need a different alloy? Or maybe you just need to let it cool down before forging?
I remember we annealed it regularly by getting it cherry red with a propane burner and let it air cool on a chamotte or charcoal soldering stone, and then hammering it cold. Re-anneal when it gets work hardened, so it doesn't crack on you. That's how we did it on brass, and silver, too. Anneal, work it cold, re-anneal when it starts to work harden.
Hope this helps for future projects.
These type of videos are the kind I really like. You aren't afraid to show the problems encountered and the stumbles as you try to overcome them. Too many knife channels just show the maker turning out some gorgeous piece like never had any issues. I think your style is far more informative. It almost makes up for you using scissors to open boxes.
The handle could do with a little more refining, but the concept and overall aspect is super nice. Certainly better than those "naked" knives that are waterjet cut with those industrial patterns. This knife actually looks nice to the eye. Neat stuff! Looking forward to more.
Also, happy 2024! Here's to a good year for you and yours and the channel!
I agree wholeheartedly..❗👍🏻
Two videos in just as many hours, what a time to be alive
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Really beautiful knife, Steve! Awesome work!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Ty
A lot of experiments, learning. Very nice end result and a lot of satisfaction for the blacksmith and for us!
Although I have never been a fan of "Brut de Forge" for chef's knives, it's funky and I really like it, especially the handle!
I like the rustic, rough look of the handle contrasting with that shiny blade. And, with the rivets where they are, the handle almost looks like scissor handles, or shears.
GB doing steampunk! Eat your heart out Dune fans! Looks awesome!
That's a really fun concept and I'm excited to see what else you make based on this design. We'll done!
Can't believe we didn't get more buff Steve pics
Glad you didn't do more tinkering with the casting and found the cheapo brass brush. Probably saved yourself a huge headache there. There are some forgable brass alloys out there, but they're kind of hard to get your hands on. Another thing to try is just coloring the steel with tempering colors. Done that a few times for historic copper knife replicas. It works quite nicely on forge scale if you give it a good go with a steel wirebrush first
Mr Beetle what a wonderful knife build I like the ornamental scrolling in the handle really cool reminds me of the old black iron gates
Bushwood Country Club 😂 Love it!
Now i know what my next project will be! inspiring!!!
Its a cool concept I look forward to seeing where else you take this.
it turned out nice. I would think the best hope for casting the brass would be lost wax spin casting. I seen that a million times at the dental lab I worked at making gold dental crowns.
What an awesome concept/blade! Thanks again Steve!
Yay for trying new things and learning! And thanks for showing us your less successful attempts; always valuable! Nice work as always.
The blade and handle are very beautiful.
That turned out great I truly like it keep up the awesome work and I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with next
Thanks for not making us wait, Speedy! Nice result, and I suspect there will be additional refinements as you build more like it. Sometimes, not always, it's fun to learn new stuff when the steel doesn't cooperate.
Dude! I absolutely love this build. You did an awesome job taking the inspiration from Josh and running with it to make it your own. Awesome!
Glad you liked it!!
Dude that knife looks badass as usual, I'm definitely going to try forging this one day but a 1 piece construction!
Seeing your overall progress in skills i think you could really innovate on the integral handles! Love the first try!
You are an absolute artist. Or a madman.
You are most likely right about why the sand casting wasnt working. One more thing to think about though is the baby powder. Its super hard to get real talcum powder now. Most are corn starch and that doesnt work very well on sand in comparison. Iv been having issues with this in other hobbies too. Like ant keeping
Go Steve go! Thanks for taking the time to put out great content!
Ty sir
Very good work. I love that design and how you worked out the work arounds.
Dang, that's funny! Just finished watching part one with my kids, like five minutes ago, and you said the next one would be out quickly ... ! Top work again, as always - I really appreciate the trial and error journey toward the greatness.
Really love the overall look of the knife! I admire how you're always trying new knife ideas, even when it becomes difficult! I think the handle is the star of the knife! Great job! 🤔🥰👍
Pro tip: I recently learned that while working with brass, the brass will get hard and brittle of you bend/hammer it too hard. so then you want to anneal it by heating it up, little did I know that you can overheat it. Actually making it more brittle!
Aparantely one of the easy ways to guess the right temp is by heating it untill it has a dull red glow IN TOTAL DARKNESS!
If you try to anneal it while the workshop is artificially lit, you will most likely overheat it. and done in a dimly lit/dark workshop you will get it just right.
Man the amount of scrap brass pieces this would've saved me if I knew it sooner....
Like it..❗👍🏻 Seems as though you had lots of fun..⁉️🤔
Nice and adventurous ⁉️👏🏻👏🏻☕🥠
Started watching part one at the perfect timing! As you were saying you'll continue on part two the notification popped up!!! Love your videos. Keep doing the awesome work!
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This knife looks amazing
Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed both parts. As someone really interested in knife making but that's never tried, it's good to see someone like yourself still experimenting and enjoying your craft. I need to find a tutor in my country and give it a shot. Cheers.
Just go for it. You don't have to start with forging or anything complex. I started making knives when I was around 12, just using random scrap. They were junk, but I learned things from it. You can make perfectly servicable and beautiful knives with nothing but a bit of annealed tool steel and a few hand tools, it just takes a lot of work. Don't be afraid to fail! It's just time and iron.
You never cease to amaze me, brother. That handle is insane. Where did you come up with that idea? Amazing idea and well executed!!!
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That is impressive, and I really like it.
It’s like a much more stylized and Green Beetle complicated blacksmith’s knife. Nice work.
In the vein of a blacksmith’s knife, I wonder if you could have forged the bolster to tip just as you did, but for the tang leave a larger mass that you could have split, build your scrollwork, slide those in and then forge the split piece back to hold them in-if any of this makes any sense.
Yeah that’s an interesting idea!
Looks really cool
I love it! Awesome job Steve, really cool knife
Ty
Thank you
This is such a cool idea man
beautiful!
When I am sand casting there is a certain amount of sand being removed with the “pinch points” that I just allow to happen and I clean it up once it’s cast in metal. That might be a bad way to go about it but I’ve spent so much time obsessing over having the mold perfect before casting only to have the cast go horribly wrong lol 😅
I love this
Great job really good work
Thank you!
Copper pins in the handle would have been a great accent. Keep practicing with the sand casting & do a Knuckle Duster knife build.
Steve. Really appreciate the problem solving steps as you adapted from plan to plan. Did you ever consider case hardening the internal scroll work? Maybe an idea for a future build.
Nice!
That turned out quite nice. Now if I may tell you things you possibly know already. Metals with copper in them by and large are the reverse of ferrous metals when working them. Basically, heat your copper or brass up to a red heat, or close to it, then quench in water. This makes it soft/malleable. It will work harden again as you bend and/or hit it. So just repeat the process to make it soft again. You should easily be able to make those spirals out of brass doing that.
I really don't get it when knifemakers on YT try and forge copper of brass the same way you wouild iron or steel. I've seen it a couple of times, and it does work I guess.
I tried annealing it, same result. I got further heating it to red than softening it. Maybe the diameter was too large to be as malleable as needed?
@@GreenBeetle Yeah, afaik it could be the type of brass. I found some I used annealed well and could be worked bending them. Others not so much. In short, I dunno I guess.
Copper could have worked in place of brass, as it tends to be a little more forgiving. The brass you heated I think got too hot. Hence the crumbling. Brass can be worked cold too, if you heat it to dull red and quench it occasionally. (Speaking from experience forming brass cases for unusual gun calibers) your mileage may vary.
Yeah I tried annealing it and this stuff just cracked
by heck Steve you're becoming a blacksmith ....those funky shaped rivet surfaces suck to hold dont they..
I like brass plating like that, Ive also done copper which leaves a thin not copper coloured coating so you have to pickle it afterwards which tends to take a lot of the copper off again...brass is better lol
I think you can cold forge brass and anneal it much like copper but its so expensive I havent actually tried that...Ive taken creases out of a brass lamp shade by planishing and annealing so I assume it works lol ...but you know the problem with ass-u-me
Cool build and fascinating process
Thanks for sharing
Nice idea
What about the octopus copper knife... this is cool.. but that is cooler.. how about a teak handle sometime?
Yep, really like this one its got some really 'archaic' looks to it sort of like old wrought iron fences.
For your brass and this is plumbing the depths of my visual arts background 30+ years ago you tend to have a few alloys out there, the A260 cartridge brass is the one we mostly all use in knife making as it's fairly cheap and just zinc and copper. It does pour ok but it has no hot working and next to no cold working. There is the C37700 which is what you want for hot forging brass, or copper and that's the one which I tend to like for making rubbish like Mokume Gane as it doesn't turn into shards of ultra-deadly molten hell flying all over my workshop.
As a thought for your next one if you decide to do something like this, thinking you take a leaf out of the blacksmiths big book of beating the shit out of things and splitting the handle in half, draw out each upper and lower section to shape. Do the curvature on a bodged up swage block and then heat it up, bend to shape and sort of cram it all in there. But this is probably one of those things you can do any number of ways, glad you did it though its pretty nice!
Good info ty
Does anyone else's brain scream "hole punch" when seeing the handle?
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You never fail to amaze and impress . Awesome job! What kind of wax is that you put on the handle ?
Furniture wax
I'm curious if you could have maybe electroplated with brass.
Good question
Ok.. The knife looks great, but I have to know what kind of torch were you using?..
MAP gas torch from Home Depot/lowes
@@GreenBeetle ill have to get one of those! Thanks! How's your Papa Rhino holding up? Mine is going strong.
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so been watching alot of your knives now and i dont understand why you make knives they are all ornamental art pieces and not really usable as a tools...its like making glass hammers...you could make statues,lanterns,lamp foots, iron gates etc and probably find more buyers to a better price
I explore the art of knifemaking on this channel which includes different processes and techniques. But t looks like 15 of my last 21 knife build videos have been usable knives.