You can see my sources in the video description, there are more than two. Although I am pulling from those books in this video, there are many more scholars and works I could cite that I have read. And of course, my primary evidence is the Bible’s text. Thanks for watching. :)
When I read the scripture about woman being silent I interpreted it as a compliment. I read that the lord new we had such strength and ability to influence without speaking. So do not argue but show by doing and man would follow. I don't remember which one it is off hand
Glad you find these texts as compliments!! For many women I am friends with, these texts have been weapons hurled at them to keep them quiet. I am glad you’re in a religious context that afforded you that perspective, as I also have friends who have never even been to a church without a woman pastor. Having been in both contexts, I think women make great leaders.
If I may, I share here two articles about the female pastorate. An interpretation of I Timothy 2:11-15: vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2013/04/consagracao-feminina-ao-pastorado-i.html And a discussion about the "order of Creation" referred to in I Timothy 2:13: vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2024/05/porque-primeiro-foi-formado-adao-depois.html (Both articles are in portuguese, but you may activate the automatic translation at the right top menu.)
I believe women can preach, teach, evangelize, etc. but that the Bible is very clear in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 that the qualifications to be the head leader falls on a man.
I read that passage differently, and I don’t find it as clear cut because of all the evidence detailed in this video and the other. That said, I hope you will continue watching Bible Geek. Thanks for watching!
It's very simple and no ad revenue-friendly stretching of content required - there really is no room for debate on the topic. 1 Timothy 2:12 lays it out pretty clear. Yes women can teach, but not men, and can not have authority over men. 'And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.' -1 Timothy 2:12.
@@createdbeing I find plenty of misogynists end up on Christian and Christian-adjacent UA-cam, where they try to 'correct' me and other women. That kind of man tends to be so out of touch he often assumes he is brighter than we are, and somehow capable of teaching us by virtue of having a penis. It's safer to be an a**hole to women who are likely Christian, isn't it? We're inclined to be kind and tolerant - as a Christ-like virtue, not due to a deficiency caused by the blood flowing to and from our wombs. How's your Greek? What's your PhD in? You go first.
I very much appreciate your care for the value of women in ministry. We are designed with a purpose by God, to be wise in our reading and discernment and teaching of God's Word, and to be faithful by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world and share our witness and speak truth in love - to fellow believers and non-believers. However, when citing 1 Timothy 2:12, many people who argue against it fail to cite through verse 15 for the context and meaning of why Paul gave this command as one who is speaking for God. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. 1 Timothy 2:12-15 NASB1995 This was not a cultural reason for why Paul gave this command. It was due to God's order of creation, which applies to all people. As women, we must give proper discernment, study the Scriptures, and prayerfully consider how God would have us use the gifts He has given us for His glory and our good. This also is God's call to us to exercise our free-will and choose to obey Him and not our own desires (rebel) even if they are seemingly "good." There are many women with the brilliant gift of teaching and preaching and shepherding, but the application must still be in alignment with His good design. Bless you and your ministry. I am prayerful that you continue to seek God and His wisdom through Scripture. This is the first video I have seen on this channel, but the quality of production is very good.
Hi Erica, thank you for watching and commenting. And thank you for the kind words in regard to the presentation and style. I am trying to put a lot of polish on the videos :) I appreciate your comment, and I was taught and believed similarly at one point. That is, until I started look at all the evidence. I think you should really consider reading Beth Allison Barr’s book mentioned in the video. She really discusses this all well. As well as Nijay Gupta’s book also in the video. He does a great job also. Couple things regarding 1 Tim. 2:12-15. The NASB has mistranslated the text to make this passage seem like it is a universal statement. “But women will be preserved through the bearing of children” should actually read “but she will be saved through bearing children.” The “she” is singular, and continuing to talk about Eve. If it was talking about women in general, it would need to be plural. So, that’s a problem with the NASB’s translation. That said, reading the mention of the creation story as a reference God’s creation order and God’s intended design (Adam having authority of Eve, man over women, and such) leads to some interesting and unhealthy theology many people don’t realize. The same logic was used to justify slavery and white supremacy. So, those who read 1 Tim 2:12-15 as presenting a “creation order” are unknowingly upholding an interpretation that leads to harmful things like slavery and the subjugation of people simply because of the color of their skin. This also leads to the subjugation of women. I get where you are coming from, though. I think people want to live according to God’s way, and I think that is your intention. I also want to live according to God’s way of doing things as well. However, I think both Genesis 1 and 2, for many reasons, present men and women as equals tasked with carrying for one another and the earth. So, I don’t think the mention of Adam and Eve is about “creation order,” and divinely ordained gender roles. I also don’t think Paul is using this text in that way either. I would say Paul is actually using this text a particular way rooted in the context of 1 Timothy, but to explain that would be a whole video, which I may do in the future. Put very succinctly, Eve is the prototypical woman who has fallen prey to false teaching, as women have in Ephesus, the context of 1 Tim. There is more to this, but that’s very brief. If you want to know more, the books I reference are a good place to start. Of course, you’re welcome to disagree with me. I hope you will continue watching Bible Geek even if we disagree. I think Christians have a lot to learn from one another, and so listening to different perspectives is a big part of that. Thank you for your kindness in the comments, and blessings on your ministry as well! :)
@@createdbeing thanks for you comments. The NASB 1995 is, in fact, adding something that is not there in Greek. Verbs in Greek have endings that determine the person and number of the subject. So, the verb "preserved," translated literally should be "she will be preserved" (σωθήσεται), it is literally, 3rd person *singular*. The NASB translators ignored the singular verb ending, and used a plural subject "women" when it should be "she." So, you argue that this choice is context driven, but the translators are, literally, ignoring the text, they are ignoring the word's actual ending. So, verse 15 is still talking about Eve. There are many ways to interpret the implications of these verses, but we shouldn't start adding words to a text (with parentheses) to make it a blanket statement about all women, when it is actually about one woman, Eve.
1 Tim 2:13-14 talks about Adam's authority over Eve but puts it in a "men rule over women" sort of way. If we go back to Gen 3:16 God tells Eve that Adam's authority over her is that of a "husband over wife" and not "men over women". So, when 1 Tim 2:12 says "women usurping authority over men" is really about wives, and that the husband is above the wife and not "all men over all women". As other verses and books of the bible repeats the "wives submit to your husbands" commandment (Gen 3:16, Eph 5:22, Col 3:18, etc.). Makes sense as women will not be submitting themselves to men that aren't their husbands.
Cherry-picking verses and passages. Paul was very clear in his epistles, and the Church Fathers (Those who gathered the texts together, the same book you're using) that priesthood is for men. Women has other roles, important and unique ones.
No, we should not ignore these verses, but we should read them differently in light of all the information I have provided in this video, and in the other video “does the Bible support women in ministry?” Paul would be very inconsistent if he thought would shouldn’t lead and minister in churches if he in multiple places acknowledges women in leadership and then in 1 Cor 14 and 1 Tim 2 he prohibits them. Put simply, when those verses are read in their literary and historical context, they do not mean a blanket prohibition of women in ministry in all places and in every church. I can’t explain that all here because it would be too long to write up. I would suggest check out Nijay Gupta’s book referenced in the video. He has two chapters discussing these passages and related topics. It’s really well done.
@@biblegeekPhDThe silent argument isn't an argument. Just because Paul and Timothy didn't said the same thing to the faithful, doesn't open doors for possibilities.
Good research and presentation. But as a musician as well as a Bible scholar, the jazz music in the background is distracting and off-putting. No need to add anything "cool" to your video, like we're having a conversation in a bar. ;) The content is entirely sufficient on its own.
Hi, thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you enjoyed the video! :) I have actually gone back and forth on whether to have music or not. So I appreciate the feedback.
So, this video is only covering a portion of the Bible, and I am only talking about the NT, and mainly Paul. Additionally, this is the second video in a series, so it is definitely assuming things. That said, your should check out the book referenced in the video, “tell her story,” it covers the various places other than Paul that women are presented as leaders, prophets, teachers, and more. So, the story you have been told that the Bible prohibits women from leading is actually not the case. I was told similarly in my early theological education, and in churches, but it’s misguided.
@@biblegeekPhD why didn't you mention verses 13 and 14 in 1 Tim. 2? I think that's the universal principle God is saying to us. And to follow matriarchal examples in the Bible is a slippery slope for other sins like multiple wives, child sacrifice, crimes of war, etc. Even if it's described in the Bible doesn't mean it's prescribed by God.
@@ebsalonga I didn’t address that text specifically for a number of reasons. First, most importantly, this one text and one other are used to silence women. Meanwhile there are many chronicled in the video that demonstrate the exact opposite. I don’t know about you, but even very conservative theologians argue that you should read scripture with scripture. When one does that with these verses in 1 Tim 2, they are ignoring the rest of Paul’s letters that support the opposite. Second, those who suggest it is a general principle have stripped it from its context, which is not general by any means. I won’t go into specifics here, because it’s complicated, but you can read all about the context in Gupta’s book referenced in the video. Third, those who argue that this is a general principle have adopted an interpretative strategy that has been used for generations to oppress people. Before women were told that this was a general principle to establish women’s roles, African Americans were told the same about their enslavement. Most people don’t realize that they have inherited a racist interpretive strategy, but they have. Thanks for watching.
Why is it that everybody who gets the feminine Holy Spirit needs to go and push female leadership roles over man immediately afterward? Did you not read the part where the Holy Spirit only relays messages and never speaks of its own will? How do you get the grammatical language but not the parallel?
Just so you’re aware, you have detailed a classic heresy. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subordinationism That said, you’re welcome to believe what you want. Thanks for watching.
Yeah it never stuck with my heart that women could not teach! If that was true than I guess she couldn’t evangelize either because what is teaching at its core?
Yeah, in fact, women in the gospels actually tell the apostles that Jesus had resurrected. In other words, we wouldn’t know about the resurrection of Jesus if women had not shared the good news. Women preached the first Easter sermon. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
this is still nonsense.......we are in truth talking about what God desires and why he chooses certain people and gender to do specific finctions..........women can do anything except be a pastor...why...thats Gods decision.....if women could be such then why would God in the bible state that to be qualified the position always clarifies the pastor to be a man and what he qualifications must be...as for the female there are NONE listed...it makes no sense for God to require man to meet certain requirements and then the female has NONE to hold the same position... i think not......it like in anything God desires...he gives specifics on by design male marry females and made them differerent.......he did not anywhere by design list males can marry each other.......
@@createdbeing there's an allusion to an as yet undefined trinity in the Bible but no allusion to the role of pastor. There are deacons and apostles, prophets, teachers, etc. The role of pastor was invented fairly recently. Probably around the turn of the 20th century but if you can find an earlier example I'd be very interested in knowing about it. Which part of the Bible do you think describes a pastor as we understand the term today? I mean, a pastor specifically as opposed to the roles I listed above.
@@savedbyGrace1234 women were not pastors in biblical times...they did minister, but having the role of pastor was not so...if it were, then why did God give men qualifications and not females?????.....
@@FeWolf Titus doesn't say anything concerning this debate except one qualification. In both 1 Timothy 3 and Titus, in the Greek, Paul uses no masculine pronouns in the qualifications. These are added in our English bibles for translation purposes. The only masculine oriented word in the qualifications list is the "one woman man" or "husband of one wife" idiom. Many interpreters, even complementarians like Douglas Moo take this to be a Greek idiom that applies to everyone representing marital fidelity, but as a masculine oriented language that koine Greek was, it was expressed in masculine terms. 1 Timothy 2 is the deciding factor in this debate and what it means, in which interpreters and scholars disagree as per the video above (together with a long list of biblical scholars on both sides).
@@aperson4057 There is not female rabbi period in that time frame or church leaders, this did not happen in the Reformed Jewish movement, Paul study under the one of the foremost teachers, ( Gamaliel ), who is quoted to this day, research 1st century church leaders. Read 1 Timothy 3 entire chapter. God does not change, man changes with the wind.
@@FeWolf Doesn't address at all what I said. I've read 1 Timothy 3. The Greek doesn't have masculine pronouns. It is masculine oriented because in masculine oriented languages (like the Spanish that I speak) you use masculine language to represent everybody. That being said, of course not, because Judaism was very much in line with the patriarchalism of the day. But the reasoning wasn't because "women are equal but different" which is what many complentarians hold today. Ancient thought just considered women to be inferior. We read from the Talmud a prayer that says, “Blessed art thou, O God, for not making me a Gentile, slave, or woman.” A prayer that was probably alive during Jesus' day. This was prayed the mentioned could not participate in the full expression of the Jewish faith. One what have to say that Jesus broke down these barriers, except that of women, who cannot fully participate in the Christian faith due to gender.
So your main evidence are the two books you mentioned in the video, is that right?
You can see my sources in the video description, there are more than two. Although I am pulling from those books in this video, there are many more scholars and works I could cite that I have read. And of course, my primary evidence is the Bible’s text. Thanks for watching. :)
When I read the scripture about woman being silent I interpreted it as a compliment. I read that the lord new we had such strength and ability to influence without speaking. So do not argue but show by doing and man would follow. I don't remember which one it is off hand
Glad you find these texts as compliments!! For many women I am friends with, these texts have been weapons hurled at them to keep them quiet. I am glad you’re in a religious context that afforded you that perspective, as I also have friends who have never even been to a church without a woman pastor. Having been in both contexts, I think women make great leaders.
If I may, I share here two articles about the female pastorate. An interpretation of I Timothy 2:11-15: vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2013/04/consagracao-feminina-ao-pastorado-i.html And a discussion about the "order of Creation" referred to in I Timothy 2:13: vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2024/05/porque-primeiro-foi-formado-adao-depois.html (Both articles are in portuguese, but you may activate the automatic translation at the right top menu.)
Thanks for watching and commenting. :)
I believe women can preach, teach, evangelize, etc. but that the Bible is very clear in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 that the qualifications to be the head leader falls on a man.
I read that passage differently, and I don’t find it as clear cut because of all the evidence detailed in this video and the other. That said, I hope you will continue watching Bible Geek. Thanks for watching!
It's very simple and no ad revenue-friendly stretching of content required - there really is no room for debate on the topic. 1 Timothy 2:12 lays it out pretty clear. Yes women can teach, but not men, and can not have authority over men.
'And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.' -1 Timothy 2:12.
Thanks for watching. You should also check out my other video, "does the Bible support women in ministry?"
It really isn't that simple. Keep watching, you'll see why.
@@createdbeing I find plenty of misogynists end up on Christian and Christian-adjacent UA-cam, where they try to 'correct' me and other women. That kind of man tends to be so out of touch he often assumes he is brighter than we are, and somehow capable of teaching us by virtue of having a penis.
It's safer to be an a**hole to women who are likely Christian, isn't it? We're inclined to be kind and tolerant - as a Christ-like virtue, not due to a deficiency caused by the blood flowing to and from our wombs.
How's your Greek? What's your PhD in? You go first.
I very much appreciate your care for the value of women in ministry. We are designed with a purpose by God, to be wise in our reading and discernment and teaching of God's Word, and to be faithful by sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world and share our witness and speak truth in love - to fellow believers and non-believers.
However, when citing 1 Timothy 2:12, many people who argue against it fail to cite through verse 15 for the context and meaning of why Paul gave this command as one who is speaking for God.
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
1 Timothy 2:12-15 NASB1995
This was not a cultural reason for why Paul gave this command. It was due to God's order of creation, which applies to all people.
As women, we must give proper discernment, study the Scriptures, and prayerfully consider how God would have us use the gifts He has given us for His glory and our good. This also is God's call to us to exercise our free-will and choose to obey Him and not our own desires (rebel) even if they are seemingly "good."
There are many women with the brilliant gift of teaching and preaching and shepherding, but the application must still be in alignment with His good design.
Bless you and your ministry. I am prayerful that you continue to seek God and His wisdom through Scripture. This is the first video I have seen on this channel, but the quality of production is very good.
Hi Erica, thank you for watching and commenting. And thank you for the kind words in regard to the presentation and style. I am trying to put a lot of polish on the videos :)
I appreciate your comment, and I was taught and believed similarly at one point. That is, until I started look at all the evidence.
I think you should really consider reading Beth Allison Barr’s book mentioned in the video. She really discusses this all well. As well as Nijay Gupta’s book also in the video. He does a great job also.
Couple things regarding 1 Tim. 2:12-15.
The NASB has mistranslated the text to make this passage seem like it is a universal statement. “But women will be preserved through the bearing of children” should actually read “but she will be saved through bearing children.” The “she” is singular, and continuing to talk about Eve. If it was talking about women in general, it would need to be plural. So, that’s a problem with the NASB’s translation.
That said, reading the mention of the creation story as a reference God’s creation order and God’s intended design (Adam having authority of Eve, man over women, and such) leads to some interesting and unhealthy theology many people don’t realize. The same logic was used to justify slavery and white supremacy. So, those who read 1 Tim 2:12-15 as presenting a “creation order” are unknowingly upholding an interpretation that leads to harmful things like slavery and the subjugation of people simply because of the color of their skin. This also leads to the subjugation of women.
I get where you are coming from, though. I think people want to live according to God’s way, and I think that is your intention. I also want to live according to God’s way of doing things as well. However, I think both Genesis 1 and 2, for many reasons, present men and women as equals tasked with carrying for one another and the earth.
So, I don’t think the mention of Adam and Eve is about “creation order,” and divinely ordained gender roles. I also don’t think Paul is using this text in that way either. I would say Paul is actually using this text a particular way rooted in the context of 1 Timothy, but to explain that would be a whole video, which I may do in the future. Put very succinctly, Eve is the prototypical woman who has fallen prey to false teaching, as women have in Ephesus, the context of 1 Tim. There is more to this, but that’s very brief. If you want to know more, the books I reference are a good place to start.
Of course, you’re welcome to disagree with me. I hope you will continue watching Bible Geek even if we disagree. I think Christians have a lot to learn from one another, and so listening to different perspectives is a big part of that. Thank you for your kindness in the comments, and blessings on your ministry as well! :)
@@createdbeing thanks for you comments.
The NASB 1995 is, in fact, adding something that is not there in Greek. Verbs in Greek have endings that determine the person and number of the subject. So, the verb "preserved," translated literally should be "she will be preserved" (σωθήσεται), it is literally, 3rd person *singular*. The NASB translators ignored the singular verb ending, and used a plural subject "women" when it should be "she." So, you argue that this choice is context driven, but the translators are, literally, ignoring the text, they are ignoring the word's actual ending.
So, verse 15 is still talking about Eve.
There are many ways to interpret the implications of these verses, but we shouldn't start adding words to a text (with parentheses) to make it a blanket statement about all women, when it is actually about one woman, Eve.
1 Tim 2:13-14 talks about Adam's authority over Eve but puts it in a "men rule over women" sort of way. If we go back to Gen 3:16 God tells Eve that Adam's authority over her is that of a "husband over wife" and not "men over women". So, when 1 Tim 2:12 says "women usurping authority over men" is really about wives, and that the husband is above the wife and not "all men over all women". As other verses and books of the bible repeats the "wives submit to your husbands" commandment (Gen 3:16, Eph 5:22, Col 3:18, etc.). Makes sense as women will not be submitting themselves to men that aren't their husbands.
Cherry-picking verses and passages. Paul was very clear in his epistles, and the Church Fathers (Those who gathered the texts together, the same book you're using) that priesthood is for men. Women has other roles, important and unique ones.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I appreciate so much your interpretation of Scripture for accuracy and not for any particular agenda. Very refreshing!!
Thanks for watching and commenting, and for your kind words :)
Okay, then can you please explain what 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:12 mean? Are you suggesting we should ignore these verses?
No, we should not ignore these verses, but we should read them differently in light of all the information I have provided in this video, and in the other video “does the Bible support women in ministry?” Paul would be very inconsistent if he thought would shouldn’t lead and minister in churches if he in multiple places acknowledges women in leadership and then in 1 Cor 14 and 1 Tim 2 he prohibits them.
Put simply, when those verses are read in their literary and historical context, they do not mean a blanket prohibition of women in ministry in all places and in every church. I can’t explain that all here because it would be too long to write up. I would suggest check out Nijay Gupta’s book referenced in the video. He has two chapters discussing these passages and related topics. It’s really well done.
@@biblegeekPhDThe silent argument isn't an argument. Just because Paul and Timothy didn't said the same thing to the faithful, doesn't open doors for possibilities.
Good research and presentation. But as a musician as well as a Bible scholar, the jazz music in the background is distracting and off-putting. No need to add anything "cool" to your video, like we're having a conversation in a bar. ;) The content is entirely sufficient on its own.
Hi, thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you enjoyed the video! :)
I have actually gone back and forth on whether to have music or not. So I appreciate the feedback.
Absolutely. Women CAN, snd should lead churches.
Agreed!
Thanks for watching and commenting. :)
Shoutout to everyone arguing with a man who's read the most, and also in multiple languages. I would not.
Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Disagree. Not consistent with other parts of the Scripture. And a lot of assumption was made rather than based on Scripture.
So, this video is only covering a portion of the Bible, and I am only talking about the NT, and mainly Paul. Additionally, this is the second video in a series, so it is definitely assuming things. That said, your should check out the book referenced in the video, “tell her story,” it covers the various places other than Paul that women are presented as leaders, prophets, teachers, and more.
So, the story you have been told that the Bible prohibits women from leading is actually not the case. I was told similarly in my early theological education, and in churches, but it’s misguided.
@@biblegeekPhD why didn't you mention verses 13 and 14 in 1 Tim. 2? I think that's the universal principle God is saying to us. And to follow matriarchal examples in the Bible is a slippery slope for other sins like multiple wives, child sacrifice, crimes of war, etc. Even if it's described in the Bible doesn't mean it's prescribed by God.
@@ebsalonga I didn’t address that text specifically for a number of reasons. First, most importantly, this one text and one other are used to silence women. Meanwhile there are many chronicled in the video that demonstrate the exact opposite. I don’t know about you, but even very conservative theologians argue that you should read scripture with scripture. When one does that with these verses in 1 Tim 2, they are ignoring the rest of Paul’s letters that support the opposite. Second, those who suggest it is a general principle have stripped it from its context, which is not general by any means. I won’t go into specifics here, because it’s complicated, but you can read all about the context in Gupta’s book referenced in the video. Third, those who argue that this is a general principle have adopted an interpretative strategy that has been used for generations to oppress people. Before women were told that this was a general principle to establish women’s roles, African Americans were told the same about their enslavement. Most people don’t realize that they have inherited a racist interpretive strategy, but they have. Thanks for watching.
Why is it that everybody who gets the feminine Holy Spirit needs to go and push female leadership roles over man immediately afterward?
Did you not read the part where the Holy Spirit only relays messages and never speaks of its own will? How do you get the grammatical language but not the parallel?
Just so you’re aware, you have detailed a classic heresy. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subordinationism
That said, you’re welcome to believe what you want.
Thanks for watching.
Yeah it never stuck with my heart that women could not teach! If that was true than I guess she couldn’t evangelize either because what is teaching at its core?
Yeah, in fact, women in the gospels actually tell the apostles that Jesus had resurrected. In other words, we wouldn’t know about the resurrection of Jesus if women had not shared the good news. Women preached the first Easter sermon.
Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Let me guess, youre a pro choice "christian"?😂
I am not sure how this relates to the video topic. Thanks for watching though.
@@biblegeekPhDAs someone who teaches on the Bible, what is your stance on abortion?
this is still nonsense.......we are in truth talking about what God desires and why he chooses certain people and gender to do specific finctions..........women can do anything except be a pastor...why...thats Gods decision.....if women could be such then why would God in the bible state that to be qualified the position always clarifies the pastor to be a man and what he qualifications must be...as for the female there are NONE listed...it makes no sense for God to require man to meet certain requirements and then the female has NONE to hold the same position... i think not......it like in anything God desires...he gives specifics on by design male marry females and made them differerent.......he did not anywhere by design list males can marry each other.......
Thanks for watching.
There are no pastors anywhere in the Bible. Not one.
@@createdbeing there's an allusion to an as yet undefined trinity in the Bible but no allusion to the role of pastor. There are deacons and apostles, prophets, teachers, etc. The role of pastor was invented fairly recently. Probably around the turn of the 20th century but if you can find an earlier example I'd be very interested in knowing about it. Which part of the Bible do you think describes a pastor as we understand the term today? I mean, a pastor specifically as opposed to the roles I listed above.
Do you then decide that the woman pastors in the Bible were sinful even tho paul commended them???
@@savedbyGrace1234 women were not pastors in biblical times...they did minister, but having the role of pastor was not so...if it were, then why did God give men qualifications and not females?????.....
Have to disagree, it is also not traditional of the period time, especially for Jews and the Jews that became followers of the Christ.
You should check out Gupta’s book, I think you would appreciate it. Your welcome to disagree though. Thanks for watching and commenting. :)
@@biblegeekPhD 1 Timothy 2:
Titus 1:5-9 , pretty clear in scripture
@@FeWolf Titus doesn't say anything concerning this debate except one qualification. In both 1 Timothy 3 and Titus, in the Greek, Paul uses no masculine pronouns in the qualifications. These are added in our English bibles for translation purposes. The only masculine oriented word in the qualifications list is the "one woman man" or "husband of one wife" idiom. Many interpreters, even complementarians like Douglas Moo take this to be a Greek idiom that applies to everyone representing marital fidelity, but as a masculine oriented language that koine Greek was, it was expressed in masculine terms.
1 Timothy 2 is the deciding factor in this debate and what it means, in which interpreters and scholars disagree as per the video above (together with a long list of biblical scholars on both sides).
@@aperson4057 There is not female rabbi period in that time frame or church leaders, this did not happen in the Reformed Jewish movement, Paul study under the one of the foremost teachers, ( Gamaliel ), who is quoted to this day, research 1st century church leaders. Read 1 Timothy 3 entire chapter. God does not change, man changes with the wind.
@@FeWolf Doesn't address at all what I said. I've read 1 Timothy 3. The Greek doesn't have masculine pronouns. It is masculine oriented because in masculine oriented languages (like the Spanish that I speak) you use masculine language to represent everybody.
That being said, of course not, because Judaism was very much in line with the patriarchalism of the day. But the reasoning wasn't because "women are equal but different" which is what many complentarians hold today. Ancient thought just considered women to be inferior. We read from the Talmud a prayer that says, “Blessed art thou, O God, for not making me a Gentile, slave, or woman.” A prayer that was probably alive during Jesus' day. This was prayed the mentioned could not participate in the full expression of the Jewish faith. One what have to say that Jesus broke down these barriers, except that of women, who cannot fully participate in the Christian faith due to gender.