Rally driving on gravel and snow is very much a dance. Being in a rhythm with the car and getting the inputs to flow is critical. Something that I definitely needed to change with this new game was the steering input ratio for my wheel. Rally cars are normally around 1.5 turns lock to lock, not the 3 or so on road cars. This means that fast steering inputs are easier when 90° either left or right is most of the way to the full lock position. Did very badly in the first few lessons due to the extremely slow steering ratio!
The driving school goes over all these techniques in ea wrc. There is good tips in there, especially if you listen to the speech at the start of each lesson.
If you watch closely and with attention the rally races, you can pretty much obtain this information by your own and yes rally is pretty much about dominating this things
Nice mate! Popped up in my recommended while at work. Expected a basic-ish video but really got a nice one! Subbed and wishing you to get seen even more
seeing your driving and tuning lessons have really given me a new boost of motivation to keep on driving. Joined your wrc club (and too many others) And discovered how much effectiv the learning curve becomes by racing reall people. Thank you so much for sharing your innsight:) And now i'm comming for you in the tracks:)
Fantastic video explaining vehicle dynamics. Weirdly, to me rallying at full speed feels a lot like skiing or jet-boating. Your weight, coefficient of friction and vector of your acceleration relative to velocity are much more important than other motorsports.
In WRC Generations the cars are grippier and more planted. So you need to use stronger steering inputs to take advantage. If I go to this game after playing EA WRC my pedal steering style is really slow.
:) As a 40 something whom has ventured back onto a Playstation and only previously touched Colin McRae Rally way back when, of which I was excellent at; My, my, hasn't time changed! Very realistic game and great tips. Completed my Rally School lessons with relative ease and now really enjoying the time trials. Particularly like the historic cars and most powerful so far has been the FWD Cosworth, which was, well, interesting. Will explore the club/s, although shall never acquire winning honours with being on a pad. Too old school and that's something that may not change!
Good video and tips. This video was recommended to me, and I watched a bit...but I didn't have time to finish it all at once, so I wanted to finish the rest later. Anyways, it took me a lot of searches to finally find it again (I wasn't logged in, so the video wasn't in my watch history). I kindly recommend adding some additional good key words (i.e. rally, sim racing, RBR, etc.) in the title/description to help others find it. Cheers
I didn't knew these are the terms of these techniques. I was actually doing those things without knowing (now I sound ignorant), I just somehow copied them while watching rallies from wrc coverage
Soon Hopefully, I've got 3 videos that are being made and then i can focus on the next lot so all being well it should be done in that block of videos🤞
You're a good explainer and narrator! Visualizations could definitely be upped a notch. Perhaps some animations or arrows could up your production value.
I cant get passed Lesson 3 in rally tutorial. No mather if i stomp the breaks when the voice tells me or when i reach the blue lines on the road i fail the objective..
Breaking does make the car stable that's what I also thought and I was right. Someone told me that breaking doesn't stabilize the car but that is bullshit talk
its great that you have found a driving style that fits you and there are great tips in this video. but telling it as facts and as the fastest way to drive rally is a bit missleading. there is no fastest way to drive. it depends on the car and the style of driving the driver naturally gravitates to. i am a driver whith smooth imputs and cars that are easy to rotate (oversteer) is what i am fastest with and i dont like cars that i need to force to turn, and in my experience sim driving and real (not professional). rwd is faster both on asphalt and on gravel than fwd. but thats just me, you might be way faster with fwd, it might fit your more agressive drivingstyle.
Some of these techniques are entirely indispensable for being even remotely competitive on loose surfaces. Like if you aren't using left foot braking you are for sure hobbling yourself. It gives you so much extra control. I do agree though that FWD cars are not faster on loose surfaces than RWD. RWD is just much harder to keep from spinning. Both are way slower than AWD of course. But all the old rally cars that got swept away in the AWD revolution were RWD.
@@Caldwing yes im not really talking about that, trailbraking and leftfoot braking and things like that are pretty much needed. my point was that he said that you can't really use the smooth "tarmac" tecnique that you are used to and that you have to drive much more agressive, wich i dissagree wholeheartedly with. i tend to drive cars that are sensetive to my imputs, and driving agressive like he said is the way to drive on gravel is a recepie for dissaster in that case. ultimately all im saying is that there are cars and drivers that are fastest with a smooth "asphalt" type drivingstyle and some are faster with an agressive driving style like the one he describe in the video.
I think there might of been a mis-communication going here, By Forget all that, I do not mean you can't be smooth with your driving, i also never mentioned to be aggressive. If that is the way you have interrupted it, then i can only apologise. You may have a style that you consider to be smooth, that is fine but someone else may say your style is aggressive. You may like to steer more than others, i Personally like to get most of my rotation done through the brakes. No one way is right nor wrong. These techniques Probably apply to gravel more then any other surface type, So i will stand my ground here, If you aren't pitching the car into a slight slide on gravel then you are 9/10 going to be slower then those who do. That is not me saying you need to be "aggressive", And you can by all means use "smooth tarmac" techniques on gravel but why are you treating two different surface types the same, one has lots of grip and one doesn't. And again they are techniques not rules you don't have to use them!
@@MikeyyRS as i said good video with solid advice, i think it might have been a missundrestanding. when you said to forget "stay within the cars total grip" "use smooth steering inputs" "finish your braking before turning" "rolling on the throttle" i understood it as be more agressive and as you meaning that these techniques should not be used in rally. driving over your cars total grip is still slower, do we have less grip on gravel? yes but also the gravel is more forgiving, grip wise it doesn't fall of a cliff like slicks do so even when some amount of sliding is happening we are within our grip threshold just like some old racecars on circuits. minimising the sliding is faster most of the time. so exessive sliding (driving over the cars total grip) is generally not wanted. these things you said to forget is still the fundamentals even in rally, the two things i think are different on gravel is the driving line because we can't know how the exit looks most of the time so its common to have a shallow exit, and also to enter and rotate the car early because of the lower amount of grip. in rally the cars use the same laws of physics and techniques as trackdriving thats why i treat it not the same but verry similar, same approach lets say. other than that the tips are great and also useful for trackdriving as many of these techniques are used extensively in most car driven motorsports.
This video is already geared towards driving an AWD rally car. I am pretty sure at least some of the cars he drives in the video are AWD. Although a lot of this applies to all 3 options, it's missing crucial details for driving FWD and RWD. Like you have to be much, much more violent on your steering inputs to get a FWD car to rotate than he describes. Those kinds of gentle inputs only work for RWD and AWD. On a RWD car you generally must also counter steer in order to avoid spinning out of the slide. Everything he is saying here applies best to AWD.
This whole video like @caldwing has said applies to AWD cars, and most will work with RWD. But they would have to be toned back because your main battle in a RWD is stopping yourself spinning out. In fact RWD cars have minds of their own so taking it stage by stage is probably the best bet😅
Do you do these already? Do you think you can implement them into your driving style?
Going to dig in with these techniques this evening. Nice one man!
Rally driving on gravel and snow is very much a dance. Being in a rhythm with the car and getting the inputs to flow is critical.
Something that I definitely needed to change with this new game was the steering input ratio for my wheel. Rally cars are normally around 1.5 turns lock to lock, not the 3 or so on road cars.
This means that fast steering inputs are easier when 90° either left or right is most of the way to the full lock position.
Did very badly in the first few lessons due to the extremely slow steering ratio!
once your in the zone, you'll feel like your car is gliding around the track without the hesitation to go flat out.
I did not know that you could still be on the throttle whilst braking, the more you know. Thanks keep up the good work
Keeps the revs up and rotates the car, it is one of the most valuable tools in rally and general delinquent driving 😂
It does the opposite of rotating the car. It makes it more stable under braking. The video said the same.@@potatoglizzy3212
The driving school goes over all these techniques in ea wrc. There is good tips in there, especially if you listen to the speech at the start of each lesson.
Best Rally game tutorial I've seen on You Tube. Good job mate. No BS, no watch me drive for 10 minutes, just straight up good driving knowledge. 👍
Thanks mate, I tried to make it how would like information to be delivered straight to the point no messing about
@@MikeyyRS You succeeded in that mate. Should be more of it. Keep it real mate. Cheers.
If you watch closely and with attention the rally races, you can pretty much obtain this information by your own and yes rally is pretty much about dominating this things
Quick, consise and absolutely TRUE. AMAZING mate!
Much appreciated!👌
Just discovered your channel, great content. I'll be employing some of these tips when I get back home to my rig!
Thank you, Hope the tips serve you well 👌
I had no idea this is how it is meant to be done! Thanks Mikey!
There's many ways to do it, Just this might be the easiest
deserves way more likes and subs, super helpful it shaved off 25 seconds on my track time
Thank you, I am happy you are already lowering those times👌
Nice mate! Popped up in my recommended while at work. Expected a basic-ish video but really got a nice one! Subbed and wishing you to get seen even more
I tried to put as much in as i could without alienating Beginners, think i did it well enough, Thank you for you sub and the well wishes 👌😊
seeing your driving and tuning lessons have really given me a new boost of motivation to keep on driving. Joined your wrc club (and too many others) And discovered how much effectiv the learning curve becomes by racing reall people. Thank you so much for sharing your innsight:) And now i'm comming for you in the tracks:)
This was one of the best overviews for this info ive come across, and one ill definitely keep returning to to practice technique.
Nice video and explanations! Also love how the auto-generated subtitles struggle with your accent sometimes😂
I struggle with my own accent as well 😂 I am trying to work on it, i am just too common 😂
@@MikeyyRS where is your accent from, if it's not indiscreet?
@@Champenier Haha, well the accent is called "black country" if that helps 🤣
Very informative! I’ll try to use this when I can
Fantastic video explaining vehicle dynamics. Weirdly, to me rallying at full speed feels a lot like skiing or jet-boating. Your weight, coefficient of friction and vector of your acceleration relative to velocity are much more important than other motorsports.
Congrats for the video Miky. Great imputs and voiceocer. Y 3:50 ou got a great accent and sound there of your voice. I sub. 🎉🎉🎉
In WRC Generations the cars are grippier and more planted. So you need to use stronger steering inputs to take advantage. If I go to this game after playing EA WRC my pedal steering style is really slow.
:) As a 40 something whom has ventured back onto a Playstation and only previously touched Colin McRae Rally way back when, of which I was excellent at; My, my, hasn't time changed! Very realistic game and great tips. Completed my Rally School lessons with relative ease and now really enjoying the time trials. Particularly like the historic cars and most powerful so far has been the FWD Cosworth, which was, well, interesting. Will explore the club/s, although shall never acquire winning honours with being on a pad. Too old school and that's something that may not change!
You will go as quick as you need too my friend. Pad players can be extremely fast in this game so don't put yourself down 👌
Cheers for this mate it’s a big help as I’ve just bought my first wheel
Good video and tips. This video was recommended to me, and I watched a bit...but I didn't have time to finish it all at once, so I wanted to finish the rest later. Anyways, it took me a lot of searches to finally find it again (I wasn't logged in, so the video wasn't in my watch history). I kindly recommend adding some additional good key words (i.e. rally, sim racing, RBR, etc.) in the title/description to help others find it. Cheers
I've added some hashtags, hopefully that makes it easier for you find. 👌👍
Very good explanation.. Beautiful voice and accent
You are one of the only ones that think that 😂
I didn't knew these are the terms of these techniques. I was actually doing those things without knowing (now I sound ignorant), I just somehow copied them while watching rallies from wrc coverage
best way to learn is to do what you see!
Whens the tarmac guid coming my boy?
Soon Hopefully, I've got 3 videos that are being made and then i can focus on the next lot so all being well it should be done in that block of videos🤞
You're a good explainer and narrator! Visualizations could definitely be upped a notch. Perhaps some animations or arrows could up your production value.
I’m trying to learn more complex editing 😅
nice
I cant get passed Lesson 3 in rally tutorial. No mather if i stomp the breaks when the voice tells me or when i reach the blue lines on the road i fail the objective..
Im not sure what that tutorial entails i will have a look and get back to you, But when you fail it normally tells you what you failed on
Breaking does make the car stable that's what I also thought and I was right. Someone told me that breaking doesn't stabilize the car but that is bullshit talk
It stops tail wagging (don’t know what to call the back and forth loss of control situation) at high speeds.....usually
what steering angle you use on gravel?
540 degrees in the wheel software and in the game
I hope
its great that you have found a driving style that fits you and there are great tips in this video. but telling it as facts and as the fastest way to drive rally is a bit missleading. there is no fastest way to drive. it depends on the car and the style of driving the driver naturally gravitates to. i am a driver whith smooth imputs and cars that are easy to rotate (oversteer) is what i am fastest with and i dont like cars that i need to force to turn, and in my experience sim driving and real (not professional). rwd is faster both on asphalt and on gravel than fwd. but thats just me, you might be way faster with fwd, it might fit your more agressive drivingstyle.
Some of these techniques are entirely indispensable for being even remotely competitive on loose surfaces. Like if you aren't using left foot braking you are for sure hobbling yourself. It gives you so much extra control. I do agree though that FWD cars are not faster on loose surfaces than RWD. RWD is just much harder to keep from spinning. Both are way slower than AWD of course. But all the old rally cars that got swept away in the AWD revolution were RWD.
@@Caldwing yes im not really talking about that, trailbraking and leftfoot braking and things like that are pretty much needed. my point was that he said that you can't really use the smooth "tarmac" tecnique that you are used to and that you have to drive much more agressive, wich i dissagree wholeheartedly with. i tend to drive cars that are sensetive to my imputs, and driving agressive like he said is the way to drive on gravel is a recepie for dissaster in that case. ultimately all im saying is that there are cars and drivers that are fastest with a smooth "asphalt" type drivingstyle and some are faster with an agressive driving style like the one he describe in the video.
I think there might of been a mis-communication going here, By Forget all that, I do not mean you can't be smooth with your driving, i also never mentioned to be aggressive. If that is the way you have interrupted it, then i can only apologise. You may have a style that you consider to be smooth, that is fine but someone else may say your style is aggressive. You may like to steer more than others, i Personally like to get most of my rotation done through the brakes. No one way is right nor wrong. These techniques Probably apply to gravel more then any other surface type, So i will stand my ground here, If you aren't pitching the car into a slight slide on gravel then you are 9/10 going to be slower then those who do. That is not me saying you need to be "aggressive", And you can by all means use "smooth tarmac" techniques on gravel but why are you treating two different surface types the same, one has lots of grip and one doesn't. And again they are techniques not rules you don't have to use them!
@@MikeyyRS as i said good video with solid advice, i think it might have been a missundrestanding. when you said to forget "stay within the cars total grip" "use smooth steering inputs" "finish your braking before turning" "rolling on the throttle" i understood it as be more agressive and as you meaning that these techniques should not be used in rally. driving over your cars total grip is still slower, do we have less grip on gravel? yes but also the gravel is more forgiving, grip wise it doesn't fall of a cliff like slicks do so even when some amount of sliding is happening we are within our grip threshold just like some old racecars on circuits. minimising the sliding is faster most of the time. so exessive sliding (driving over the cars total grip) is generally not wanted.
these things you said to forget is still the fundamentals even in rally, the two things i think are different on gravel is the driving line because we can't know how the exit looks most of the time so its common to have a shallow exit, and also to enter and rotate the car early because of the lower amount of grip. in rally the cars use the same laws of physics and techniques as trackdriving thats why i treat it not the same but verry similar, same approach lets say. other than that the tips are great and also useful for trackdriving as many of these techniques are used extensively in most car driven motorsports.
Captain price
nice, do one on awd/4wd - these drivetrains are largely ignored in YT driving tutorials, it's all FWD/RWD
This video is already geared towards driving an AWD rally car. I am pretty sure at least some of the cars he drives in the video are AWD. Although a lot of this applies to all 3 options, it's missing crucial details for driving FWD and RWD. Like you have to be much, much more violent on your steering inputs to get a FWD car to rotate than he describes. Those kinds of gentle inputs only work for RWD and AWD. On a RWD car you generally must also counter steer in order to avoid spinning out of the slide. Everything he is saying here applies best to AWD.
This whole video like @caldwing has said applies to AWD cars, and most will work with RWD. But they would have to be toned back because your main battle in a RWD is stopping yourself spinning out. In fact RWD cars have minds of their own so taking it stage by stage is probably the best bet😅