5 NASCAR Dynasties That Never Happened
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- NASCAR dynasties, as are all dynasties, are the most difficult goal to achieve in the sport. Only the absolute best of the best were able to reach this pinnacle of accomplishment. Yet with that there are still many others who were on the verge of doing this same thing and joining the likes of Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, and Jimmie Johnson as immortal dominant names. These are 5 NASCAR dynasties that never happened.
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Which driver do you think could have the next NASCAR dynasty?
Larson or Bell
The next son of Kyle Busch himself
Larson
Connor Zillisch
Kyle Larson
The fact Harvick only won one title is a travesty
He deserved 2010, 2015, 2016, and 2020, and would have won them under the Winston Points System
2020 was his season
Oh yeah he’s easily a 3/4 time championship caliber driver
He would have had 4 if we were still using the Winston Cup System. I personally believe he has 4, think of it the driver who drove Earnhardt’s car in 2001 eventually would have 4 cups and that was taken away due to the fraud playoff system. Kevin having 4 cups would have made a hell of a story.
@@BlandSpagetti RCR really held him back
They really only had fast cars in 01,06,10,11 and 13
How Roush from 1989-2002 and 2005-2012 didn’t even win one title is INSANE
Roush unfortunately had bad luck during those early years
@@BlandSpagetti and Hendrick and RCR having better everything
@@BlandSpagettiyeah the first half of the 90 was Earnhardt and the later half of the 90 was Gordon,
1990 Mark Martin
2002 Mark Martin
2005 Greg Biffle
2008 Carl Edwards
2011 Card Edwards
2012 Matt Kenseth
All looked like title contenders and the fact that not one of those 6 ended in a title is crazy
I think the 2 here that have to hurt the worst are 1990 Mark Martin who lost on a penalty and 2011 Carl Edwards who lost on a tiebreaker
2011 always stands out because that's around when I got into NASCAR. A worst chase finish of 11th in the 10 race era and not winning the title that year is insane.
I'll forever think 2011 showed NASCAR what they wanted in terms of the direction of the sport, with wanting drivers to get hot with wins at the end and steal championships they probably didn't deserve
Harvick in 2014
Johnson in 2016
Kinda Logano in 2018
Elliott in 2020
Logano again in 2022
And Blaney in 2023 all fit this bill
@@BlandSpagetti Especially with Mark Martin. It's definitely a tough pill to swallow when you lose a championship by virtue of a questionable penalty, another one because the Pepsi 400 restarted on the last lap of the race resulting in getting caught up in a big wreck not of your own doing, or losing a championship because of a weird mechanical issue at Talladega.
The downfall of Roush was perfectly explained by Greg Biffle when he went on the Dale Jr Download a couple of years ago.
It is a travesty that Kevin Harvick only got 1 championship in his career. It’s the reason I’ll forever hate the playoffs.
I believe Ned said some of his reasoning of his early retirement was because of Fireball Roberts. He never could get over seeing, hearing and probably smelling Roberts almost burn to death.
Harvick is more of an invisible dynasty, as he has the most points overall 4 times.
He even has an all-time better average finish than Matt Kenseth, his boss Tony Stewart, Kyle Busch and JIMMIE JOHNSON.
You by all means go by year to year. You don’t know if Gibbs had an engine issue one year so avg don’t show the truth
@@dang5553 Maybe so, but even if that were true, you're realistically only talking about a one or maybe two car difference. You still get a pretty good idea of how well someone did in a season based on their average finish alone. That's why the Latford Winston Cup format was the most fair championship crowning format in NASCAR.
@@nascarfanatic2425 and even if NASCAR wanted to emphasize winning more, easy you literally just award significantly more bonus points to the winner instead of all of the other contrived stuff.
@@nascarfanatic2425and would make Jeff Gordon a 7/8 time champion and undoubtedly the best driver of nascar all time. Buttttt chase gimmicks
Remember when Roush Racing went 1-2-3-4 at Homestead? Just imagine if Kurt Busch didn't have that encounter with police just 2 races before the end of the season, ran at Homestead. Possible 1-2-3-4-5 finish for Roush to close the 2005 season?
It certainly could've happened, but I think that even if Kurt never had that incident, it still would've been a tall task. Kurt Busch was struggling in his championship follow-up season.
Martin Truex Jr was close to a dynasty, he won the title in 2017 and then finished runner up in 3 of the next 4 years.
True, he could've had 4 championships and a lot more wins if it wasn't because of bad luck.
i think Davey Allison should have been on this list. he had averaged a win just about every 10 races and had just had consecutive 5 win, 3rd in points seasons in 91 and 92. plus, he was looking to have a really strong run at the championship in 93 when he got killed
No one will have dynasties now because of the championship being a toss up the way the current format is setup. We could've easily had a Harvick dynasty in later half of 2010s but playoffs say "NO".
The irony with Kevin Harvick is the fact the he won the title in the one year he was the least worthy in winning (comparing his 2015-2020 title runs).
While Kevin was fast in 2014, he had nowhere near the consistency that Jeff Gordon had in that season.
You could say that Kevin’s 2014 title came at a big price, as he lost all other title runs after this one due to a bogus championship system.
The heck with roush racing as a whole. Matt Kenseth lost 2 championships to Jimmie Johnson, and was on his way to homestead for a fourth until Alex Bowman wreck him in the closing laps.
And don't get me started on 2015.
David Pearson and the Wood Brothers if they'd ran full-time.
On the old school side, you have to put Junior Johnson and David Pearson on the list. Junior won 50 races and was in the inaugural Hall of Fame class, but never cared about the championship. He only ran the races he wanted to then retired early to be an owner. Pearson won 105 times but only ran the full season 3 times.
The biggest knock on Tony Stewart is he only won two "Crown Jewel" events. 0-18 in the Daytona 500, Coca-Cola 600 and Southern 500. Just two Brickyard 400's. He was a legit contender regularly but never got the trophy.
Cool video. I think the only driver out there right now who could establish a dynasty is Larson. Raw talent and consistent speed. He just needs to be a little smarter behind the wheel.
I think a driver that DEFINITELY should have been on this list is David Pearson. A consistent full time effort from Pearson could have easily overshadowed Petty considering what he accomplished on a part time schedule.
How is Rusty Wallace not here? He's one of the best drivers in NASCAR history, but only has one championship!
It's because Penske kind of has a dynasty even without Rusty.
Karma for Rusty for being a putz on the racetrack
@@andysee6996 that's why only one championship you noticed even in this conversation Darrell Waltrip wasn't mentioned
Because Bill Elliott and Dale sr and Jeff Gordon were dominating better than Rusty
@@chrisbarrettFilmstudio at the time Bill Elliott wasn't really a factor but Dale Earnhardt and a little later Jeff Gordon
1997 was Mark Martin’s best chance to win a championship, but Jeff Gordon and Dale Jarrett had other plans, with Jarrett only being 14 points behind him.
Slapshoes says it best, Mark was one of the best drivers of all time racing against THE best drivers of all time. Watch his Mark Martin series on UA-cam.
Every Nascar fan says M&M is the best driver never to have won a championship. & Dick Trickle is the best sports name, all time. 👍
Mark also had a great 98 but Gordon was untouchable that year
Mark never got to have a season to himself, he was always unlucky enough to be caught up by his competitors.
I was really expecting to see Furniture Row on this list. Easily one of the biggest ifs in recent history is JGR practically buyin out FRR.
Martin Truex Jr from 2016-2021 had Furniture Row and Cole Pearn stayed together.
Really creative idea for a video, didn’t realize how much I wanted this lol. It is funny to think about, but if Tony had not gotten hurt in early 2006 he probably wins the title that year, because he was the best guy in that Chase. And he had a shot in 09 as well. We were realistically a couple small details away from Smoke being a five time champ alongside Jimmie
Thank you for acknowledging the playoffs significantly altered many Winston era drivers careers. Feels like they are here to stay now/more legitimate now that the Winston guys who got their legacies absolutely shithoused are retired
I will die on this hill that matt kenseth was one Jimmie Johnson, one Joey Logano and one dieing roush team from being a 6 time champion
And one Alex Bowman
@@ColeslawCustard As a Kenseth fan (and admittedly an Alex Bowman hater) I had successfully erased that Phoenix crash from my memory. Thanks a lot 😂
As a Kenseth fan don't forget Vickers in 2011
Kevin Harvick was more deserving of 2010, 2015, 2016 & 2020 than 2014 Which Jeff Gordon was most deserving of That Said Season alongside 2004 & 2007 Making Harvick a 4-Time Champion & Gordon a 7-Time Champion under The Latford System.
The problem with your scenario is assuming everything is played out exactly the same. I'm not saying you are wrong, but different system than what was being used will have different results.
The fact that Bill Elliott, Bobby Allison, Kevin Harvick, and Rusty Wallace only won one championship each is disturbing
I quote bill Elliott I gave 3 away from his book. My opinion if brewer never got fired from Junior bill should of had 2 titles
Bill Elliott should have had at least two championships you could argue Rusty Wallace could easily had three I also think that Bill Elliott could have very easily had more than 50 wins if he didn't waste 7 years of his prime years with his own team before he joined Dodge and Ray evernham Ray Effingham
Watch the scene podcast with Tim brewer. My opinion Junior never makes that phone call to Tim for a favor in 92. 93 starts with Bill and Tim. 93-99 Bill gets 2-4 titles. Who owns the team Tim owns most of it 70 percent the Elliott brothers own 10 percent each. One phone call from Junior Johnson messed everything up
@@dang5553 interesting now I have heard interviews that jr Johnson was having issues with his team because of a divorce I know after Junior Johnson fired Tim Brewer they hired Mike beame
And he was Bill Elliott's crew chief when he formed his own team with the 94 until I forgot what year then he hired Mike Ford car
As for Harvick, can't forget nascar letting them go back to racing in 2020 at Texas with a wet track, that's really where 2020 changed.
I really thought Furniture Row Racing was going to be on here for sure. Truex and Pearn could have been the next Johnson/Knaus or Harvick/Childers combination. They didn't just win a lot of races, they dominated races. But Joe Gibbs couldn't handle his team getting beaten by the second-string and pretty much forced Barney Visser's hand and basically bought them out. And while the 19 team was potentially one bad pit stop away from a title in 2019, once Pearn left, the chemistry just wasn't there anymore. Even though Truex would finish runner-up again in 2021, he hasn't felt like a true title contender, with the exception of last year (we won't talk about that epic chokejob in the playoffs), and the first ten races or so this year. If FRR doesn't shut down, I wonder how many races and championships they could have won.
As long as the playoffs are still a thing, no diver is ever winning more than three championships. But if NASCAR ever becomes under new management, we might see some of the young and promising drivers in the sport could have some dynasties late in their careers.
Drivers such as Ty Gibbs, Corey Heim, Jesse Love, Rajah Caruth, Carson Hocevar could have dynasties in 10ish years.
If we go further we could have current drivers’ kids have some dynasties in twenty years if they peruse NASCAR. Brexton Busch, Keelan Harvick, or Owen Larson could be household names in a few decades.
Do you think NASCAR can have new management?
None of those guys are great. Ty Gibbs is the best and he's driving the best equipment I'd hope he didn't suck
Roush had all this great talent in Kenseth, Martin, Edwards, Busch, Biffle yet only had one title to show for it. They came close in back to back years in 2004 and 2005. Edwards should’ve been a multiple time champion. Once Kenseth left, Roush was dead. But it’s nice to see them competitive again with Keselowski. As for Harvick his fall off was more in the team aspect than anything else. He literally had to carry SHR on his back for the last 3 or so years of his career because they were absolutely horrendous.
6:03 Harvick actually would’ve won a championship with RCR under the old points system in 2010
Roush racing was really good from 1989 to 2008. 😊
Honestly they were good from 1989 to 2014 when Edwards left
If you watch my video series called Rewriting History where I took every season pre latford and gave it a latford style system and it revealed that Jarrett would only win the 65 title. His 61 title would go to Rex White and Jarrett wouldn't contend for it the majority of the year. In 1964, he missed a race which cost him the title.
Drivers who missed out on dynasties:
David Pearson
Matt Kenseth
Mark Martin
Joe Weatherly
Martin Truex Jr.
Why?
If Pearson raced a full season imagine how much he would've complished and would've had more then 105 wins and Petty probably wouldn't have 200 wins and could be closer in all-time wins with Pearson and Pearson could've had more championships then 3
Kenseth was in the Johnson era which was a big reason to with no dynasty and was consistent enough to win championships for example his 2003 championship with 1 win as to Ryan Newman's 8 wins
Martin was an iffy penalty away from getting the title in 1990 and the only 7 time champions would've been Richard Petty and Jimmie Johnson and was consistent enough that he could've won more then 1 and was part of Roush's peak
Weatherly possibly could've been our 1st 3-in-a-row champion if it wasn't for his death in a race and who knows how many races and championships he would've won if it wasn't for his tragic death
Truex was in the Johnson era where he was irrelavant from 2006-2014 but from 2015-2024 he was 1 of the very best and would've won a title in 2019 if it wasn't for a penalty and if he won the war in 2018 which he said he was but aged like milk against Logano and he almost won 3 championships in a row from 2017-2019
Honorable mention:
Chase Elliott
Elliott was the best driver at Hendrick from 2017-2020 and if it wasn't for Larson going to Hendrick's #5 car who knows what Elliott fould've accomplished, would he be the all-time wins leader on road courses over Jeff Gordon (9) and Tony Stewart (8) and had championships in 2021 and 2022 if Larson went to SHR instead of HMS?
A forgotten dynasty is Lee Petty. He practically owned the pioneer days of the sport. It's sad seeing hardly anyone acknowledge it.
I will die on a hill Jeff Gordon was one Terry Labonte,one Jimmie Johnson,one Kevin Harvick,and one Kurt Busch if Gordon became a 9 time champion
As a Kyle fan, that one hurts me lol from 15-19 he legit could have won all those titles... but actually, I think Kyle and Harvick stopped each other from having dynasties
I think DEI is a good conversation, they were the team to beat from most of the early 2000s and Teresa is really the thing that drove them off a cliff before they became a dominating force in the sport. I think dei with dale jr at the helm could of been a dynasty if it had been allowed to continue to develop.
As an F1 fan in addition to NASCAR, the Roush mini dynasty of the mid 2000's reminds me a lot of Williams from 1995-97 in terms of dominating F1 for a period of a couple of years before falling off. Like Roush, Williams won back-to-back World titles with Damon Hill in 1996 & Jacques Villeneuve in 1997. After Renault left F1 after the 97 season, Williams instantly became a mid-pack team for many of the same reasons that plagued Roush & were totally unable to compete with the likes of McLaren & Ferrari for the World title. Apart from the 2003 season with Juan Pablo Montoya, they have been a non factor in the World title picture since. As for Tony Stewart & why he didn't have a dynasty that reminds me of Mika Hakkinen who won back-to-back World titles in 1998 & 1999 with McLaren. However he was unable to stop the machine that was Michael Schumacher & Ferrari who won every World title from 2000-2004. Lastly when it comes to Ned Jarrett his F1 equivalent is Jackie Stewart who very similarly retired early which had a lot to do with the fact that two friends in Jochen Rindt & Francois Cevert were killed in the span of 3 years in the early 70's which really accelerated his safety campaign.
Jeff Gordon stayed competitive throughout his career while still having seasons with the best average finish.
Odd fact about Kevin Harvick. In 2010 he scored the most points in both the regular season AND the playoffs and finished 3rd in points
What Jimmie Johnson done was absolutely UNBELIEVABLE and nobody hardly says anything about it!!!!
You definitely need to make a series on it and I would also recommend maybe doing one with drivers who could have dynasties like Kyle Larson, Chase or Ryan Blaney
SHR as a whole fits. If they actually managed to get Larson in ‘20, then KB in ‘23, and had Briscoe too I think they are in a significantly different situation than the one coming at the end of the season.
Denny Hamlin should be on this list
Being a Harvick fan always felt screwed over at the end of each season especially between 2019 and 2022. Dude would dominate and gap the field all season only for the playoffs to scrap it and start over.
Hendrick Motorsports and Kyle Busch.
Martin Truex could have won 4 championships in 5 years from 2017-2021
Most of these, especially the more recent ones, are a product of the system. Can't have a dynasty under a playoff format, where you HAVE to win to advance, and as Harvick's desperation attempt showed in this video from Martinsville. Harvick deserves more than one championship. Mark Martin deserved one. This system prevents that.
Something tells me if Chevy can get a new car model or something, Trackhouse could turn into the next dynasty with Chastain.
With how good Penske is at Phoenix, a new dynasty is possible but the cars just have to make it to the final 4
Jeff Gordon 8
Richard Petty 7
Dale Earnhardt 6
Odd fact about Tony Stewart. From 2002 until his retirement, his 3 titles are his only top 5 points finishes
I hate the playoffs so much
Busch should've had a bigger dynasty
I think a modern day “dynasty” has to consider regular season champions and Championship 4 appearances.
I think you almost have to redefine what a dynasty is in the playoff era because the conventional definition is nearly impossible in today's NASCAR. Kevin Harvick and Rodney Childers for example, the 7 year stretch from 2014-2020 they averaged 5 wins and 18 top 5's a season making the championship round in 5 of those seasons. I only did a quick bit of googleing so I could be wrong here, but I couldn't find anyone since 2000 with a 5+ year period that can even compare to those numbers aside from Jimmie's win percentage during his dynasty, but even then the rest of Jimmie's stat line isn't really close. And just to add to how great I think Harvick and Childers were during those 7 years, the other three Stewart-Hass drivers combined had multiple wins in only three of those seasons. Once again, I know it doesn't fit the conventional definition of a dynasty because of the lack of championships, but I think that's about as close as you get in the playoff era.
Depending on the point system, Joey Logano could’ve had a dynasty between 2014 and 2018
2018 is one of the big reasons the playoffs is extremely flawed. That and 2016, we all know why that one is screwy.
2015 is too but no one wants to even talk about it.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld why would 2015 be bad? I call that redemption.
David Pearson was a dynasty, Cale Yarbrough was a dynasty, Darrell was a dynasty, bill elliott was a dynasty. With the exception of Elliott the other three all won three championships in a four year period. Then you have bill elliott who was a true threat to win every weekend for a period of a decade and he managed to win over 1/4 of his total career wins in a single season
I think the biggest ones on here missed are Mark Martin and Carl Edwards but they probably tie into Roush
Could you do a video on Sammy Smith? He won early in 2023 at Phoenix in the 18 car but hasn’t done a whole lot since then. What are your thoughts?
I'd argue Kyle Busch doesn't have a Cup dynasty, but a Nascar one as a whole yes, thanks to his record amount of wins in the big 3 combined
This vid is more a Cup Dynasty than Nascar itself
Also Harvick massively unlucky
It's unfortunate that the playoff system eliminates the possibility of another dynasty
1 driver that comes to mind to what your talking about is defintetly kyle larson ever single race hes always there and he doesnt really go away even if he gets a peantly
If David Pearson had run full schedules in the 70s for the Wood Brothers, there's no telling how many more wins and championships he would have had. Petty would not have won 5 championships in the 70s, that's for sure.
Smoke is Definitely top 10 only him and Jeff Gordon won it in Both Eras
Bring back season long standings...it really messes up the stats imo, it makes shit too random.. idk it really ruins the fact drivers can dominate. no its not "fun" but thats fucking sports..if youre good then you should win like thats a given.. that's a hill ill die on
Truex could’ve legit had 3 or 4 titles between the 78 and 19. You could probably argue the 19 should’ve had 2 or 3 on its own.
Please please can we sign a petition to NASCAR to change playoff system?😢 I know domination is not good but at the same time we need superstars and if someone wins 4+ championships they are superstars. With current format I cannot see a driver winning more than two championships..
Jeff Gordon would've won the 2004 championship if he won at Darlington,and what cost him the championship that year was mechanical failure at Atlanta.
Jeff Gordon would've won the 2007 championship if he finished top 10 in all 36 races.
If Gordon went to finish second at Texas,he makes the final four over Ryan Newman,and he is racing for a championship. He wins the race and the championship. Harvick would've never won a championship because of that.
Kyle Larson is next one to have a dynasty. I hope I'm right.
Jimmie Johnson could've won the 2004 championship if it weren't for a crash at Kansas,making him a eight time champion.
Is this a new series? I like it.
Carl Kiekhafer’s race team
as a hamlin fan i will be content with only 1 chip because he has so many wins
Harvick should be a Four Time Champion
David Pearson
Fred Lorenzen with Holman Moody. Or Holman Moody with 96 wins in 525 starts. Over 18% win rate and then they just quit. But if they had kept racing....
If they really do end up moving back to Homestead for the Championship, Larson is definitely in a Dynasty.
What could have been if Harvick and Ky. Busch swapped rides after the 2007 season. Harvick could have had a better ride earlier and he could have even brung Toyota there first title instead of Ky. Busch
PLEASE STOP SHOWING BOBBY IN THE FEDEX CAR IM ALREADY SAD AGAIN
How can you say Kyle Busch didn’t have a dynasty? He’s in the top 3 or 4 drivers in the sport history. Period
Rusty Wallace 1989-1994
Missed dynasty: Davey Allison
Potential future dynasty:Kyle Larson
How Dei never won a championship
04 was the first chase won by Kurt not tony in 05
Had Davey Allison lived I think he could have been a dynasty. He may have stolen some titles from Earnhardt and Gordon. 😔
Had Irvan not wrecked at Michigan , he was leading the points that year … I think he would have done the same .. took some titles
Would say Jeff Gordon and Christopher Bell as well too had things worked out for Christopher Bell in Phoenix he would've gotten back to back championship's im 2022-2023 and he would have 6 wins right now and he be going for his 3rd championship in a row this year he might done what Jimmie Johnson did when he went 3 in a row.😊
Cale won three in a row! Wtf you mean he’s a “maybe” dynasty!
Jgr as a whole. Mtj has 1 bell 0 Hamlin 0 and Busch (when he was there) 2. Jgr only has a handful of championships in the last 30 yrs
Fred Lorenzen. Dick Hutchinson.
You’re right. As a Harvick fan I can attest I absolutely hate the playoffs. Even moving to Larson now that Kevin retired I haven’t cared about the title since 2020. Just wins because those are legit
If you want to go backwards in time. Cale at Junior that’s a dynasty DW at Juniors is a dynasty. The missing dynasty Bill Elliott at Junior Johnson. Just say 1993 starts with Brewer n Elliott brewer never gets fired Junior never made that stupid phone call. I see 2-maybe 4? Championships 93-99 bill has a Busch team never a cup team part owner cup owner maybe. Maybe he does go to dodge. Hendrick wouldn’t had Budweiser. See what Tim meant to the 11 team
I will die on this hill that nascar don’t want a dynasty like Jimmie did. Which is why we have this gimmick championship system
Man you stay hatin on Stewart.. Prolly top 10-12 all time great? He is
Kyle Larson would have if we kept the gen 6 car
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I feel like your use of the word dynasty is misappropriated.
Logano can if he wins like 2 more championships in the next 5 years
The NASCAR playoffs can genuinely go to hell "buh buh the entertainment factor" stfu with that argument because if it was really that entertaining then ratings wouldn't dip at the end of the season
Top 5 Busts in nascar
1. Kasey Kahne
2. Dave Marcis
3. Ricky Stenhouse jr
4. Ron Hornaday jr
5. Ryan Newman
I don't about Kahne. Hearing Elliott Sadler talk about how bad Evernham was, I think Kahne greatly out performed his equipment. Ron hornaday didn't do much in Cup but he is the Truck series. No way is he a bust.
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