Why is Germany so Pro-Israel?
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Since October 7th, Germany has been one of Israel’s staunchest allies, with widespread support coming from both sides of the political spectrum. So in this video, we’ll break down the history of their relations and whether it’s politically sustainable.
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2 - www.theguardian.com/commentis...
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4 - www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/au...
5 - blog.nli.org.il/en/reparation...
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00:00 Introduction
00:40 Context
03:20 German Government’s Position
05:11 Why is Germany so Pro-Israel?
07:20 Incogni
I heard a rumour that Georgina was chosen to present this because Ben suffered a mental breakdown trying to pronounce "vergangenheitsbewältigung".
No way that's a single word?!!! You forgot at least 2 spaces my guy?
@@Anonymous-yp7cz It's only two words, "dealing with the past"
@@_jpg by letting the victims do the same past to others? Germans way of thinking.....
Thanks for the translation.
@@Anonymous-yp7cz It is not the same. I don't want to relativate the violent actions of the IDF, nor those of the Hamas terrorists, but this situation is very different to that of 1933-1945. Suggesting that there are parallels, for example in the displacement, is not wrong, but setting them on one level shows a lack of nuance and historic knowledge.
@@Anonymous-yp7cz It’s a compound of only two words (nouns), "Vergangenheit" meaning "the past" and "Bewältigung" meaning "dealing with" or "coping", (connected with a "s" that's common for compounds).
However, each of those consists of a shorter stem with a few prefixes and suffixes. If you want to break down all components, it could be split up to something like "Ver-gang-en-heit" and "Be-wältig-ung", where "gang" and "wältig" would be the respective stem.
For "Vergangenheit", we start with the irregular verb "geh(-en)" (= "to go"), "ging" (= "went), "(ge-)gang(-en)" (= "gone"), so "gang" is the perfect stem.
With the prefix "ver-", you get the word "ver-geh(-en)", meaning to "to pass" or "to elapse" or "to go by" (in a time sense), "ver-ging" (= "went by"), "ver-gang(-en)" (= "gone by", "bygone", "elapsed", "passed"). The "-en" is part of forming the past participle here… so "vergangen" is only missing the "-heit".
"-heit" is a common nominalizer of adjectives (participles are adjectives) similar to "-ness" in English, so it makes "vergangen" into "Vergangenheit" = "the past" (so maybe translated extremely literally, you could understand the word as "bygoneness"?)
For "Bewältigung", that's from the verb "bewältigen", which includes a prefix "be-" but a version of "be-wältig-en" without the "be-" no longer exists in German. The "wält" in the middle there is however also appearing in other words like "überwältigen" (= "overwhelm") and it's related to (or maybe the same as) "walt" in other words like "Gewalt" (= "force"/"violence") or "ver-walten" (= "to manage"), and should be cognate with English "wield". "bewältigen" is a verb meaning "to deal with" or "to cope" and "-ung" is a common nominalizer for verbs, so "Bewältigung" is "dealing with" or "coping".
I am sure this is gonna be a civil commentary section
No 🇵🇸🫡
@@dontmindaboutthisstupidtroll A man of words, I see...
It’s just wumao sent by Russia and Iran to pretend to be sympathetic to the terrorists, else some useful idiots who agree with them.
@@ozymandiasultor9480 word*
@@hashbrown777 small word.
Georginas pronunciation game is on point
Her ability to present is improving also. She will be as good as the other main presenters in some time.
Came here to say exactly that!
I wasn't a fan of new commentators besides Jack or Ben at first, but that pronunciation made up for A LOT.
It's ok.
shes really slay
It really really annoys me when graphs are displayed without both Axis labeled. Like what timescale is the graph on "Which side do you sympathize more with"
Also, how many people were asked.
Eminent scholar Professor William Youmans, working with the Arab Center Washington DC, has published a study examining media bias on Gaza in the context of Sunday talk shows - including NBC’s Meet the Press, CBS’ Face the Nation, ABC’s This Week and Fox News Sunday. This study found significant “patterns of bias in guest booking, in the range of views expressed by guests, and in the framing of issues,” signifying “an abandonment of the ideal that news media’s purpose is to scrutinize government policies and the actions of those in power and to inform the public so it can forge independent opinions.”
And when they show the full graph on the screen for only two seconds.
Germany and Namibia...One country was particularly vocal in expressing its frustration with and disappointment in Germany’s intervention: Namibia.
On January 13, Namibia’s presidency condemned Germany’s “shocking decision” to support Israel at the ICJ.
In a statement published on X, it reminded the world that Germany committed the first genocide of the 20th century in Namibia in 1904-1908, in which “tens of thousands of innocent Namibians died in the most inhumane and brutal conditions”, and never fully atoned for this horrific crime.
In light of its apparent inability to draw lessons from its horrific history, the presidency said, Germany should “reconsider its untimely decision to intervene as a third-party in defence and support of the genocidal acts of Israel” before the ICJ.
“Germany cannot morally express commitment to the United Nations Convention against genocide”, or truly atone for the genocide it committed on Namibian soil, it concluded, while “supporting the equivalent of a holocaust and genocide in Gaza”.
In this short statement, the tiny Southern African nation of 2.7 million, which was a German colony between 1884-1919, exposed Germany’s comprehensive failure to deal with its atrocious colonial past, and blatant double standards about genocide, in one breath.
Between 1904 and 1908, German settlers systematically killed up to 100,000 Herero and Nama people following a popular uprising over unlawful land seizures and forced labour in what was then known as German South West Africa.
On October 2, 1904, Lieutenant General Lothar von Trotha, the supreme commander of German South West Africa, issued an extermination notice ordering German soldiers to kill “every male [Herero], armed or unarmed” and displace (or shoot) the Herero women and children.
Although Germany rescinded the order on December 8, 1904, the settlers had already displaced and killed thousands of Herero people.
Expecting a completely wild comment section.
The comment section: That pronunciation!!! 🤩
German words are such a remarkable thing. An expression that could take a sentence can be said in 1 word that last as long as a sentence.
it is basically multiple words joined to make a word
Exactly @@HASIB1313
There are downsides as we leave out the prepositions between the nouns that are being combined (such as "for", "of" or "with"). In the same restaurant you may be able to order "Schweineschnitzel" (pork cutlet) and "Kinderschnitzel" (literally "children cutlet") - It might be useful to say that the second is "for children" but this is not possible to include. It remains ambiguous and does not rule out cannibalism.
In English we don't put up with such long, combined words.
When we see one of those long German words we say,
"What sort of whatchamacallit is that German word?"
and ignore it.
No, those words don’t last as long as a sentence. By far not. That’s the whole point of those words.
Georgina is already looking very comfortable as a presenter, she's going to be great.
She's not going to DM you, homie
@@spondoolie6450what a miserable thing to say. You can be nice to people without expecting sex in return ffs
@@pmmeurcatpics cool .... because it ain't happening
@@spondoolie6450 think she might DM me?? 🥺
@@spondoolie6450 think she will DM me?? 🥺
Give her a raise! Pronunciation on point, and tonality on point
Lmaoo ok bruh
@@okene ipad kid spotted
The WWHD (What Would Hitler Do) has been the dominating factor in German politics ever since the end of WW2.
Basically, they always ask themselves "What would Hitler do in this situation?" and then proceed to do the opposite.
Surefire way to make the stupidest decisions, I love it!
Hitler would make use of air, I recommend German politics to do the opposite
Well Hitler was in league with the grand mufti of Jerusalem and Hamas tunnels had copies of Mein Kampf in them.
@jhunt5578
Well obviously hamas would believe in mein kempf, europeans became fascists to Jews based on unfounded conspiracy theories in the 30s. Whereas what Jews are doing to Palestinians is true,visible and measurable injustice, if anyone has even the slight justification to be anti-semetic, it's the gazans who have been like caged animals for 15 years.
@@jhunt5578😂😂😂😂 so unserious. N*zis 100% would be pro-z*onism btw, which they were.
The irony of claiming Bernie Sanders is antisemitic Jesus Christ
He is, he's one of those useful idiots who play right into the hands of Iran
No he isnt he is a self described democratic socialist and in policy seems o be very socially democratic.@@wsffff
@@wsffff No.
I don’t think he is anti-Semitic, but Jews can be anti-Semitic. Just as black people can exhibit racist towards other black people (think uncle ruckus)
haven't watched this channel actively in quite a while and i gotta admit: jack looks really good nowadays. something about his hair or clothes i cant quite put my finger on it. appreciate the glowup
Not to mention that pretty much every foreign word and name are pronounced correctly. It doesn't really feel like a TLDR video without someone pronouncing "junta" with a hard "j" and butchering every second name.
Because if they werent they would be called a certain insult.
Given how Israel's been behaving in Gaza, I'm not sure how much weight that holds anymore
You know somethings wrong when everyone in parliment agrees, a dictatorship.@@planetomega38
THE N WORD
Well the victims of the Halo cost are now the doers....
If Germany is so guilty, which it is, why Palestine has to pay for its sins? Why didn't they cut Germany 60% to the Jews and 40% to Germans like they did to Palestine?
@@rohankishibe8259Holocaust*
The false dichotomy that being pro-Israel and pro-Palestine are mutually exclusive is not exclusive to Germany but I find the notion that a pro-Palestinian position implies being antisemitic much more prevalent in German public discourse. Oh and German here, if you couldn't tell by that unreasonably long and convoluted sentence.
@JG-MVit's not Israel's case. It naturally derives from the demand that Israel stop fighting terrorists acting against it.
The real question is what a pro-palestine and a pro-israel stance even pertains. And the easiest answer to that and the one that makes most sense politically is that it is support of the governments that rule those places. So, would you rather support the clearly antisemitic terrorist organisation Hamaz or the far-right Israeli government replacing palestinians in the west bank. In this war those are the only options you have unless you want to send troops in there yourself.
@MrTomhawk this ignores the West Bank altogether.
Also from the Times of Israeli:
"For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank - bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas - or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government - from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state"
The problem is Israeli's right wing government, they have made their own bed here.
@@SLDimarco That doesn't excuse the wide spread terror that Hamas did. There is no right side here. Only the lesser of two evils.
Well the issue is that these two are mutually exclusive as of now. Peace negotiations are impossible with a terrorist government and a populous that is overly enthusiastic at the prospect of complete Israeli eradication. And whilst I agree that most pro-Palestine people are not anti-semetic, the reason why that is is because they are delusional. If they actually knew the situation and still supported Palestine amongst all this, it would certainly signify anti-semitism.
the existence of accurate pronunciation in TLDR is such a shock that people haven’t even started a keyboard war yet!
Why is this comment section mainly focused on her pronunciation of German words rather than the actual topic itself
This episode's unusually comprehensive scope and presentation and its presenter are most refreshing.
Sure there are some errors? Are the Palestinians deserving of any justice?
wow! very good pronunciation. well done!
I just thought, “Guilt” was the answer.
Nice job of the presentation Georgina 👍👍👍
In terms of German public opinion it must be said that though many in the younger generation are critical of Israel, its unlikely that they would ever attend a pro-Palestinian rally or the likes (except some fringe groups).
thats true, My heart goes out to all civilians wrapped up in that conflict. But those pro-palestinian rallies are not only overrun by the far right, they also kind of disregard the israeli civilians that were killed.
I have yet to find a side that Is simply on the side of the civilian population. I don't care where they're from. Most civilians in every country are politically indifferent and have done nothing wrong. I don't understand why sympathising with them for losing loved ones is frowned upon. We're all human, you can't blame me for feeling for others. I can't imagine what its like to have a loved one or family member be executed or worse yet not knowing where they are.
@@kuro4841
Except Israelis have been feeding power to netanyahu for 20 years. Those that are agaisnt netanyhu in Israel are critical for his constitutional overhaul not his treatment of Palestinians. Israelis are not only complacent in netanyahus crime, but a large part of them are active and proud enablers. There are countless videos of street interviews of Israelis talking about Palestinians in a Lower manner then a dog.
If there was a street interview of Palestinians saying this they'd be accused of being isis. When Israelis do it, nothing. Israelis are guilty.
One of the main reasons why younger people seem to be more pro Palestine is that they just see the whole conflict as one powerful white country suppressing the Palestinians. That also reminds them to the colonial times of their countries. And it's definitely caused by a black and white view. The majority seems to be unable to see the interests and worries on both sides, they just pick a side.
In nyc we know about biased media.
@@benfischer6303 most misinformed by bias media. Or care not.
Germany is pro-israel because of our History. Technically that's a very good thing, but on the other Hand some People are scared to give critic to bad Behavior of the Government of Israel.
Especially because of the Situation in Gaza, it can be difficult to talk about that.
Because People either call you an Anti-Semit or Anti-Muslim. No matter how good your critic is.
For me i think Israel has the right to defend itself from Hamas, but it is not okay how many Civilians die each Day in Gaza. I mean over 32.000 People in Gaza died and the Government of Israel isnt doing much to prevent more suffering, thats a Fact.
Very thorough take, thank you.
There are two ways to learn from german history: take the lesson of 'never again' and oppose genocide whereever it happens or take the lesson of 'unconditional support for Israel' and support them whatever they do. Until the recent events, i would not have thought the second to have a significant amount of supporters. (german btw)
Because otherwise Germany is accused of becoming nazi again.
There are already certain number of non German's like to call German's Nazi's and any Territories that had before the war and lost the German population of those lands were removed by forced or worse think they had it coming to them because of Hittler and some still have a grudge towards Germany because the damage to there land by Germans during the war.
When the title has an obvious answer.
Good for genocide?
2002, the Helen Diller Family Foundation donated $5 million to establish an endowment for a visiting Israeli scholar at Berkeley's Center for Middle Eastern Studies. Following two additional donations, one in 2019 and another in 2021, Berkeley honored Helen Diller by naming its Institute for Jewish Law and Israel Studies after her.[5][6] In 2003, the Dillers donated $35 million to fund The Helen Diller Family Comprehensive Care Center at the UCSF complex on the biomedical campus of Mission Bay.[4][7] In 2018, the foundation announced a $500 million commitment to begin planning a new UCSF hospital; gifts to the university total more than $1.15 billion.
Since 1999, the Dillers have donated over $1 billion via their family foundation named after his wife Helen. Other major gifts have funded the renovation of the Julius Kahn playground at the Presidio; Mission Dolores Park Playground, now named Helen Diller Playground; and the preschool in the San Francisco Jewish Community Center, named Helen Diller Preschool.[4][8][9][10] They also have supported San Francisco's de Young Museum, Museum of Modern Art and Legion of Honor Museum.
The Foundation operates two Jewish teen programs: an international Jewish teen leadership program, the Diller Teen Fellows and the Diller Teen Tikkun Olam Awards. Since 2007, the Diller Teen Tikkun Olam Awards have recognized Californian Jewish teens who are outstanding role models in their communities.[3]
Probs to the new narrator for how well she pronounced german names and words in general 👌🏻
How the turn tables
So glad to find this channel 😎🙌🏻
Please note the 1948 is not called the palestine war. It's usually named as the first Arab-Israeli war or the 1948 war. Israelis call it the war of independence. Palestinians and other groups call it the 1948 nakba. For neutrality, maybe call it the 1948, or use the names both sides use.
Also, the map used is a misleading narrative map. Either use the pre-1967 and post-1967 map or do a whole series about the issues of the false pre-1948 map. It shows the boundaries of the british mandate. It doesn't reflect any real borders of a palestinian entity or its shrinking. You can however consider doing a video about it, or refer people to realifelore or warographics channels videos about the subject. You're usually better at getting your facts right.
Bernie Sanders is very critical of Israel, but he wouldnt consider hamas actions as justified. Jeremy Corbyn describes hamas and hezbollah as his friends. I don't know about you, but if your friends are willing to kill women, children and elderly in the name of "freedom fighting" it's disgusting and i would have blocked him from visiting too.
Independent from rules of genocide?
Sabra and Shatilla?
@@jackdepalmathose were perpetrated by the Lebanese. 🤷♂️
Man I don’t know if you’re just blind but Israel has been only k1 ll 1ng women and children. What kind of half-*ssed argument is this?
@spicyf the mess takes perpetrators, bosses and genocidal neighbors. Great Britian had no Palestinians there with Mr Balfour.
And that is criminal. Giving a land to others takes British Gall. I call it obnoxious bs. Like French and USA play with Vietnam. Sad. Then add the Israeli lack of respect for Palestine. Disdain? Now dehumanization to aparthied, genocide. Walls. Sad no 2 state SO no peace now. And Hamas needs no friends like Corbyn. GB AND GERMANY and USA already fall for the victim situation for JEWS.
JEWS get all our sympathy.
So Palestine gets nothing. I think Palestine deserves what was promised way back then. Get that on. Human rights not genocide, food. second class aparthied. Intimidation.
Sad Isreal so strong it must stop killing civilians by starvation, no?
Pronunciation is on point!
Oh, a new voice, and finally one who can pronouns german words!
I'm curiously looking forward to the next video about italian or spanish politics.
great video!
1:14 - 1948 Arab-Israeli War*
not ''palestine war''
They have fallen so low. This is unbelivble.
This video is super biased. disappointing.
Not even a mention that the war was launched by Palestinians and Arab nations after Israel accepted peace and a Palestinian state with the open and clear intent to murder all Jews in the levant and I quote “throw them into the sea”. They lost said war against all odds and now complain about the consequences of losing a genocidal war they started which led to (as any other war lost in history) lost territory and displacement. But history remembers, no matter how much Neo-marxists try to rewrite it
I'd even say the independence war, as both sides were given an opportunity to have independence, and one side decided to take it, the other decided to *try* and take it all away. So they fought for independence and eventually, Israel won. Magnificently so
The image at 3:07, for instance, is just a completely false propaganda map.
This planet is depressing
You obviously have never been to other planets.
@@ozymandiasultor9480lmao😂
@@ozymandiasultor9480I'd like to think floating around Neptune would be pretty mindblowing...and not because of the atmospheric shift
@@ozymandiasultor9480other planets: 💀
That pronunciation is on point omg
If hitler saw that, he would die 1000 times. He dreamed about a magnificient nation but Germany ended up being ponies.
As a German born and raised in Germany I can say: we are calling our FM „Fähnchen im Wind“ witch means flag in the wind because she hasn’t a consistent political opinion especially in issues like Israel Palestine
VERY interesting! As the relative of holocaust survivors who lost most of parental gen fam during that terrible period, my personal takeaway is to oppose ALL religious states, ALL ethnic cleansings, and ALL genocides...
Therefore, I am a jew that has always been staunchly antizionist.
Power to your voice friend in humanity.. it’s scary to be living at a time where this statement is considered as antisemitic..
Thank you for raising awareness so we can all get out of this fake two sides narrative
the zionists has branded you as an antisemite
If you were pro-jewish then you would be a Zionist I'm a Zionist because I support the Jewish people anti-zionism is anti-Semitism not supporting Israel's war against the Palestinians is anti-semitic
What a luxury belief. Tell my Native American and Jewish family they dont have a right to self determine in their historic homeland.
I am israeli with a german wife and I can say that our cultures are very complimentary.
yep, specially if your wife is a nazi.
love to Israel from Germany. ❤
Stay safe!
The Balagan… ;-)
Yeah you both commit genocide so you guys you are similar in nature.
Great video, well done! Just noting that the map you guys used for Germany before the reunification is not accurate.
Great host!
But why are the Golan heights shown as Israeli territory when it’s actually Syrian by international law. It’s occupied and Britain doesn’t recognise the Israeli sovereignty over Golan either🫠
finally normal non fake voice on this channel
Good pronunciation from TLDR? I like this turn of events!
She did a great job, first time i see her on this channel. Keep upp tje great job!
What was forgotten to mention but is relevant here:
@3:45 + @7:07 The German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock is from the Greens, so the Foreign Ministry is controlled by the Greens.
@4:35 Both Saxony-Anhalt and the German capital Berlin are governed by the CDU. In Saxony-Anhalt in a coalition with the SPD and the libertarian FDP; in Berlin with the SPD.
Where is the Bundes FDP libertarian??????
Where is the Bundes FDP libertarian??????
1:14 what’s the need to mention that the war displaced palestinian Arabs? Why not mention as well that they started the war?
The media nowadays is for some reason acting as if Palestinians are saints and never harmed no one
You think 750,000 Palestinian civilians started the war? Even if every single one of them supported it (they didn't), most people would support a perceived reclaiming of territory given to foreign militants by international powers. That is no reason to (illegally) displace hundreds of thousands of people.
@@criszisthey were displaced by war that their leaders started you can't blame Israel for that
@@criszisthey celebrated in the streets, so yeah they're hamas supporters.
@@criszisno I don’t, I never said they did, and if that’s what you understood, I apologise for being imprecise. What I mean is that the Arab leaders started the war, with tonnes of help from civilians of course but that’s not all too important. And you can argue back and forth on whether the Arabs were displaced because of Israel kicking them out or due to various other reasons as well, but that’s not my point. My point is that it’s completely irrelevant to the video and if they’re going to show information irrelevant to the video they may as well show both sides, don’t you think?
Good on Germany.
Bad on Germany
Kinda obvious after WW2 💀
Damn the pronounciations are mostly really good
I live in Germany .Very important fact to know as you mentioned Germany have a Muslim population beyond 5 millions. The Muslim population in Germany are NON VOTERS mostly . It means they don't vote in elections even though many of them are German citizens, and if they do vote they mostly vote for left parties ...etc. The Problem is that many parties in Germany RIGHT AND LEFT ,have backed Israel's action unconditionally even though UN describes them as war crimes. This position drives the Muslim minority population to boycott the elections totally . The result would be that the left and social democratic parties and also the more center parties would loose a lot of votes from the Muslim minorities . The result would be that far right rhetoric's and parties in Germany would become even stronger in the coming election . And Germany is back to the same old fascist history again . Even me as an born Muslim German citizen , would never vote for a party that sells weapons to Israel killing women and children . And I voted for CDU in the past .
You realise that saying the UN described/claimed something doesn't add an iota of credibility to the argument, right?
The UN is basically tik tok for countries.
@@alonbinyamin I understand that you decide to love Israel as a German citizen,even that they are slaughtering children every single day.Maybe you chose to do that for your or let us say for our horrible history . But supporting a bloodshed in Gaza does not wash your grandparents bloody hands of killing Jews. Killing Jews was a German doing not the children in Palestine. You should be ashamed .well you never are and you never learn from your past do you
was one video without any mistakes like usually on TLDR, but you still missed an important point. Vergangenheitsbewältigung might have been the major driver in the past but today this relation has simply grown into a wide spread partnership on any imaginable level.
Science, Culture, Economy, Security, we are dependend on each otger and frankly i dont know many other countrties outside Europe that we have such a deep relationship on so many levels with. We had build the isrealy navy and they now deliver us the arrow 3 ABM system we need against Russia. As we say in german, Eine hand wäscht die andere (one hand washes the other)
It's nuts that literally every political party in Germany is so disconnected from public opinion on this issue.
Appreciating the nicely pronounced non-English names!
Germans learned the wrong lessons from WW2 (if they learns any).
What we are doing is „unconditional support for Israel“ - and while that is a good step forward from murdering millions, the real lesson should have been „unconditional support for peoples falling victim to genocide“.
So far this wasn’t a big problem but now we have the dilemma where those 2 options directly oppose each other.
"We've learned our lesson" combined with "Still in Time Out, they know what they did". I'm not german (i'm austrian) but if the history lessons go as hard over there as they go in Austria that shame is *deeply* ingrained into people born looooooooooooooooooooooong after the whole Nazi-thing. I don't envy Germany's position in this. (Austria is neutral so we got it easier. It's not like we could *do* anything even if we wanted, our entire military probably fits into one of those american uber carrier jets.)
Hahaha, people don’t understand that from primary school (Volksschule) until the end of your education you are reminded every year that the horrors of the Nazi regime cannot be repeated. Just like you I have had nothing to do with the Nazis and my parents weren’t involved either but we still feel responsible. It’s hard to understand for people that weren’t brought up in Austria and Germany.
Ya it’s crazy how Austria never was “denazified” considering 70% of the concentration camp personnel were Austrian
What do you mean "Austria is neutral"? Austria is supportive of Israel if you haven't noticed
@@chriskappler3321 Neither was Germany in most of it's western territory, since Nazis made for good anti-communists.
@@happyhouse4948 Austria’s support is mostly symbolic and perhaps humanitarian in nature. There is not going to be any military intervention.
This episode clearly stands out in quality
Excellent new presenter. Clear as glass and spot on with German pronunciation 😎
Nice to hear a new presenter! Well done :) (But please breathe!!)
This is such a hard topic to touch upon, thank you TL;DR for doing such a great job of presenting the information in such a clear way.
Small correction at 1:18
The Golan Heights was not occupied by Israel in the 50s.
Feel this doesn't need to be a long video
People are not more right or wrong because they are from this country or that country. That is the logical fallacy of the germans. They should look at what is happening, not at the labels.
Some are right, far right. I can think of two nations, both defended by the USA.
They only learned part of the lesson (don't be antisemitic obv) and not the full lesson, (don't stand be racist in general and don't stand by while innocent people are being murdered) it's been so jarring being from a region where Germany also committed genocide watching them stand by and allow this AGAIN. they really can't help themselves
@@Benjamin-Outdoors Genocide over Palestinians, hence Israel is on the right side? Far-right? If they are looking they should condemn Israel and another junta put in another state by the USA via coup.
Yes, and if you look at what's happening, it's quite obvious that Israel is absolutely in the right here. And it is also quite obvious that Israel is behaving quite restrained compared to what other countries would've done in similar situations.
@@hiya2793 Sure, far-right at its worst. The uncle from Austria with funny facial hair would have been proud of his legacy, if those were not his sworn enemies, those who do that to the Palestinians.
To prove that they are not Nazis. There, I just saved you 8 minutes.
There are plenty of countries that have taken a Anti-Israel viewpoint in Europe and I wouldn't call them Nazi's. Sweden for example, Country filled with Gay and Human rights advocating for them like their lives depend on it but then decide to support the most Extremist Muslim countries out there and freely let in anyone from said countries. Not Nazism, Just general lack of braincells
Really informative interview!
Growing up in Europe over last 20 years I have seen Germany mostly as a force for good in the west. I really hope it doesn't continue to allow its horrible history to make it remain on the wrong side og history when so many men, woman and children are being murdered and displacef in Gaza 😥
Went from committing a genocide and feeling sorry for it, than supporting another group in committing another genocide.
Oh how the tables have turned…
*How the turntables...
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States outside of America don't have a with us, or them position on this ethnocentered dust up. America really doesn't get into such areas based on this type of fight either even. What is happening there has turned into a purely Israel deal so they will get to own it just as Azerbaijan does with their violent imperial manuver.
Then why states outside of America are meddling in the Ukrainian war? The sad fact is that most do as the USA is commanding them to do.
They can't afford being critical given the German history
Well the victims of the Halo cost are now the doers....
If Germany is so guilty, which it is, why Palestine has to pay for its sins? Why didn't they cut Germany 60% to the Jews and 40% to Germans like they did to Palestine?
It's more an issue of history policy, than history per se. While expensive, it gives in exchange German establishment a convenient excuse to openly discuss about banning opposition.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 imagine participating in killing thousands and starving millions just to have an edge on your opposition!!!!!!!
Clowns.
It's not about their history, it is about lacking spine.
@@ozymandiasultor9480having a spine would tell Palestinians to stop electing terrorist groups to govern them and stop firing rockets at Tel Aviv
There is a big discrepancy between the officiel german support for the project israel and the street opninion in Germany..
I wouldn't be surprised considering the Germans welcomed Muslim's from dying middle eastern countries with open arm's. Such actions tend to lead to a 500% spike in Anti-Semitism caused by a minority which came from the other side of the world and refuses to accept German culture
Gee I wonder why
Yes I wonder why
I'm french german and living in germany.
This country is so weak politically you can't imagine how much.... And when it comes to Israel, everyone shuts down because the worst fear for any public figure is to be called an antisemit!
Also the behavior of jewish institutions always playing the victim cards feeling unsecure is disgusting. Here every politician embraces the analogy as being against israel policy is being antisemit which completely absurb because both are completely different things. Anyboy who knows history since the end of WWII cannot be anything else than pro Palestine.
Don't know about Bernie Sanders, but Jeremy Corbin is indeed at risk of being anti-semitic, so it seems the law worked.
The imperialists, therefore, have been compelled to devise new methods. Since they can no longer force or frighten the masses into submission, they must devise modern methods that will enable them to maneuver the African masses into willing submission.
The modern 20th century weapon of neo-imperialism is "dollarism." The Zionists have mastered the science of dollarism: the ability to come posing as a friend and benefactor, bearing gifts and all other forms of economic aid and offers of technical assistance. Thus, the power and influence of Zionist Israel in many of the newly "independent" African nations has fast-become even more unshakeable than that of the 18th century European colonialists...and this new kind of Zionist colonialism differs only in form and method, but never in motive or objective.
Bernie Sanders turned a Democratic-Socialist exactly because of influence from the kibbutz in which he volunteered in Israel.
i mean he wasn't, he was the victim of a bullshit smear campaign
1:42
Uses modern day borders which is a bit annoying since east Germany was also highlighted
Germany is suffering from white guilt
I understand this is a dificult issue to cover but the framing in this video is really bad..
The map of germany is wrong, it was stil split in east and west at this point
In the USA, analyzing the data:
T-Mobile = $11 billion in profits; -0.4% federal income tax rate
General Electric = $7 billion in profits; -6% federal income tax rate
General Motors = $6 billion in profits; 4% federal income tax rate
Tesla = $3 billion in profits; 1.5% federal income tax rate
Boeing, Lockheed martin....
Large, profitable corporations are paying little if anything in federal income taxes on billions of dollars in profits.
Tends to happen when you are a world leader...
I know a certain person who would be very distraught about this
It isn't guilt that makes Germany pro Israel.
If you learn a lot about the holocaust and about Antisemitism, you know that Israel is a necessity to gaurantee a save life for Jews.
Oh yeah? At what cost? 700,000 ethnically cleansed from a land in 1948? An on going genocide now?
3:09
This map is obviosly idiotic whichever way you slice it, and has been debunked a whole load of times.
If u say it is representing land ownership,(Jews V.S Arabs) then why does it not really account for Israeli Arabs? Shockingly dont actually all live in the north of Israel, also why is the first map only green and black? During the Ottoman peorid, a large portion of the land was owned by turkish (and even some greek) landowners?
If it is refering to which state controlls the land, then that obviosly does not make any sense, as (for an example, the Ottoman empire controlled the Holy land (nice neutral term that :) up untill 1917, and the UK up untill 1948.
If the map is refering to habitation, then that clearly dosnt make any sense, as the Negev (for an example) is quite sparsely populated even today, and in the early 20 century, the whole reigon had a much smaller pop than now, with much of the land (especielly in the negev desert) being very virtually empty.
Thats not to say this was "a land without a people" etc. That is wrong, and i'm trying to be objective.
Overall, I am quite dissapointed with TLDR's coverage of the Israel-Hamas war, as your vedeos often fall prey to long held politically motivated untruths (like this, which are often spouted, but not entirely true and are pushed by one side or the other to furthur their narrative). Also your vedeos on this subject are ogten quite surface level, when really they should be a bit more in depth, (or at least it would be nnice to see some more in depth vedeos from TLDR)
The map shows israeli Arabs clearly from the Green outside of occupied borders
What strikes me is that we learn about the Holocaust in school so much, "Nie Wieder!" ("Never Again!") forms the core of our national identity. People know. Then we get presented with media and politicians voices which support the opposite and barely anyone takes to the streets, people just mumble in private. It shows how meaningless this slogan has been all this time. I wish it wasn't.
You clearly have no idea what a genocide is. I suggest you open your history books again or if you have the stomach watch the documentaries on the Rwandan genocide to see what a real genocide looks like. What is happening in Gaza is tragic but it is NOT a genocide and to call it that is simply insulting. If the Gaza war is genocide then what about the Yemeni war or the Syrian civil war?
@@jamese5936 I am familiar with the case of Rwanda. For the question what is or isn't a genocide, one approch would be to take a look at the convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide. I don't want to quote it here in full, the text is publically available.
The intent, usually the hard part, is clear in this case through statements of those perpetrating it. Palestinians form a national group. A. II (a) is the case, so is (b), so is (c) by by destruction of infrastructure and hunger as weapon, (d) might be true through the distruction of medical infrastructure but is arguable (although clearly a goal if you listen to the far-right in parliament), (e) is not true to my knowledge. Only one of (a) to (e) must be true for it to be genocide. A. III (e) then is relevant for our government.
I find it problematic to look at some metric of deaths or deaths per time to ask if a genocide is bad enough for us to do something about it. That approch delays a reaction and sabotages prevention to a point after which it is too late.
@@jamese5936 and perhaps not "taking as many lives" but definitely in the "concentration camps type vibes" situation of the Uyghurs in china
@@jamese5936 Notice how no Pro-Palestinian would know of the Syrian war and how there are more Syrian refugees in Europe alone then Palestinians in the west bank AND gaza combined. They would probably blame that on Israel. The meaning of Genocide has lost all meaning thanks to a bunch of leftists who got their education from Tiktok
Overdoing the fix until it's worse.
The map shown at 3:08 is very misleading. (from left to right) The first 2 maps depicting the land are from the British mandate showing in black the land privately owned by Jewish people and where most of the Jewish population was settled (the local arab population has sold it to the Jews). Still, the total land is not an independent "Palestine" but population centers under the British mandate. The 3rd map has 2 problems, 1st The land in the north marked in blue was under Israeli control after the local arab population (back then they hadn't identified as Palestinians, that only came up later in the 1950s when the "Palestinian national identity" was born) and the surrounding arab nations declared war on the newly independent Israel in 1947/48, 2nd The West Bank and the Gaza Strip were under Jordanian and Egyptian control respectively, not Palestinian like the map suggests. the 4th map is after the Oslo Accords of the '90s, still showing Palestinian control in the north (which is false, it has been a part of Israel since 1948) and the black land mass in the West Bank is the agreed Israeli control areas in the Oslo Accords. The map is trying to show the concentration of Jewish and nonJewish (not necessarily Palestinians) populations in the land but it is doing it in a very misleading way.
This kind of misinformation can be very harmful to many people and encourages antisemitism propaganda, especially when you present it like that out of context. I hope you can correct that mistake, I usually rely on your channel and trust your fact-checking abilities but seeing stuff like that really harms your credibility.
It's not misleading. It is deliberately completely false.
Hard for truth to escape the propaganda.
Right.
Misleading maps. Denial of behavior. To obscure aparthied. Genocide and in plane sight.
The misleading story how Palestine disappears and Isteali appears. Magic? Sounds like Brits helped isteali take over. Sad for isteali. The use of false narratives to steal history. To dehumanize Palestinians to massacre civilians call it war.
WAR CRIMES.
3:12 the map that’s shown isn’t correct there wasn’t a Palestinian state in 1918, 1947 it the British mandate. Then after the Israeli Arab war of 48 Israel acquired some territory, Jordan and Egypt occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Streep respectively. In addition the Palestinian identity wasn’t even formed until the mid 1960s.
Issa el-Issa existed, it was Mandate PALESTINE, like Mandate Lebanon that went on to be Lebanon and Mandate Syria went on to be Syria with the population intact unlike some other mandate. And according to Zachary Foster Palestine historian Palestinian as undsrstood today began to form in 1880s, not that it matters cause ppl were there that aren't anymore and that's the problem.
Congratulations. You only the "Israeli side of the story". How bout you forget about "sides" and just learn history without prejudice.
@@a.a.6789 total BS. It was the British Madate of Palestine and the British called it Palestine because the Romans called it Palaestina and the British saw themselves as the descendants of the Roman Empire. Palestine is a eurocentrist term. There was no Palestine outside of European lingo. The Arabs called it South Syria. They only call it Palestine because of Europeans. The Arabs said that they wanted to be part of Syria and not have an independent own country called palestine. Look up the Zuheir mohsen quote. Even in the 1970s they made it clear, that their goal is to become part of other Arab nations and not an independent Palestine.
@@kingace6186 wrong. You are on the Modern myth side of history. Look up the PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen, who said in the 1970s that the Palestinian people don't exist and that it is only a political term that they use to advocate for their goal to destroy Israel, because they want to get rif of it and then become part of the country Jordan. They never wanted a Palestine until Jordan started to officially reject them.
@@pikapi6993 honey, Syrian nationalists called it south Syria, Palestinian nationalists have always existed, that's a fact, Lebanese ppl fought against Syrian occupation when ppl like Gibran Khalil Gibran referred to themselves as Syrian and the first Arab academy thingy was formed by Lebanese ppl and they called it the Syrian academy. You look up Issa el-Issa and like minded individuals, so many places were named by the Romans doesn't mean they're fake and the identities formed around them are, btw Romans changing the name to erase Judea is fake and made up by an American, refer to Zachary Foster for more. And wanting an eventual union or EU style country with Arab countries is normal, they all want that, you wanna say that justifies imperial s*udi actions and genocide in Yemen?
Yes, more moderators!
If you have to ask
You keep highlighting the golan as israeli, even in times before 1967
So many lies.
Eminent scholar Professor William Youmans, working with the Arab Center Washington DC, has published a study examining media bias on Gaza in the context of Sunday talk shows - including NBC’s Meet the Press, CBS’ Face the Nation, ABC’s This Week and Fox News Sunday. This study found significant “patterns of bias in guest booking, in the range of views expressed by guests, and in the framing of issues,” signifying “an abandonment of the ideal that news media’s purpose is to scrutinize government policies and the actions of those in power and to inform the public so it can forge independent opinions.”
Extremely well researched video, thanks a ton for the effort!
Are you sure of that?1
Well researched? it was completely flooded by anti-Israel talking points. Even the headline implies Germany shold not be supporting Israel. One of the worst videos on this channle - which is usually an excellent channel.
The Last Ships from Hamburg: Business, Rivalry, and the Race to Save Russia's Jews on the Eve of World War I...
Ballin’s role in conveying millions of immigrants from one continent to another deserves recognition beyond the annals of trans-Atlantic commerce, as the marine historian Steven Ujifusa persuasively argues in his absorbing “The Last Ships From Hamburg.” Ballin’s story is a David-and-Goliath tale of the industrial age. The Jewish son of an impoverished émigré father from Denmark, he anticipated shifts in business trends and customer needs and eventually became the head of the prestigious Hamburg-America shipping line.
Good question 🤔????
Eminent scholar Professor William Youmans, working with the Arab Center Washington DC, has published a study examining media bias on Gaza in the context of Sunday talk shows - including NBC’s Meet the Press, CBS’ Face the Nation, ABC’s This Week and Fox News Sunday. This study found significant “patterns of bias in guest booking, in the range of views expressed by guests, and in the framing of issues,” signifying “an abandonment of the ideal that news media’s purpose is to scrutinize government policies and the actions of those in power and to inform the public so it can forge independent opinions.”
Because of the events between 1933 and 1945
Did it occur to you that supporting israel might not be related to history and just having a legitimate opinion?
This video had a target to prove that germany is supporting israel because of the holocaust but no one said it is case...
Do better.
former top United Nations official in New York joins us for an in-depth interview about why he has resigned after publicly accusing the U.N. of failing to address what he calls a “text-book case of genocide” unfolding in Gaza. Craig Mokhiber is a longtime international human rights lawyer who served as director of the New York Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. His resignation letter (embedded below) has gone viral. In one of his first interviews since leaving his post, Mokhiber tells
And why does In Your Opinion
Germany Support Israel?
Why sigmund?
Eminent scholar Professor William Youmans, working with the Arab Center Washington DC, has published a study examining media bias on Gaza in the context of Sunday talk shows - including NBC’s Meet the Press, CBS’ Face the Nation, ABC’s This Week and Fox News Sunday. This study found significant “patterns of bias in guest booking, in the range of views expressed by guests, and in the framing of issues,” signifying “an abandonment of the ideal that news media’s purpose is to scrutinize government policies and the actions of those in power and to inform the public so it can forge independent opinions.”
Except that is literally the reason why we do and by we i mean our government where as the people especially the younger ones are more on the fence about it.
@@jackdepalma What he did not address however is the One-sided treatment of Israel in the UN, Of how despite the UN including Iran and Russia, They have gotten 100 times less warnings by the UN, And that the UN was DIRECTLY involved in the funding and preperation of the Oct. 7th attack, With massive tunnels being found under the UNRWA HQ in Gaza and hostages being found and rescued from Rafah
I assume this was West Germany? What did the east do?
The DDR was very pro Palestine
The Last Ships from Hamburg: Business, Rivalry, and the Race to Save Russia's Jews on the Eve of World War I...
Ballin’s role in conveying millions of immigrants from one continent to another deserves recognition beyond the annals of trans-Atlantic commerce, as the marine historian Steven Ujifusa persuasively argues in his absorbing “The Last Ships From Hamburg.” Ballin’s story is a David-and-Goliath tale of the industrial age. The Jewish son of an impoverished émigré father from Denmark, he anticipated shifts in business trends and customer needs and eventually became the head of the prestigious Hamburg-America shipping line.
Germany is on the wrong side of history yet again.
There is a simple principle that everyone needs to understand about all these conflicts and wars. Same about Russia. The ordinary people have nothing to do with. The Israelis are not to blame for anything. They have no influence. The Russians are not to be blamed for the war in Ukraine. They have no influence on the regime. No one wants any war. People work hard to try to survive here. People only want to be left alone in peace. That's all. You see Israelis work hard all the time in every place, every city, and every country they go to. We are a nation of hard working smart people.
Germany's Chancellor is named Olaf, does that mean he likes warm hugs?
Following the old roman tradition, there names like "africanus" where common, olaf got his name from the european anti fraud office (olaf).
His real name is muckaboutus.
It means he loves money and hates orphans.
@@chris-lk4ml Well let's hope he still loves warm hugs.
@@jdng86 Who knew snowmen we're greedy and have it out for orphans.
“What a lovely video.”
*sighs*
*opens comments*
It's good to be early enough to not have hordes of keyboard warriors filling the comments with crap.
"What a lovely video."
Sighs
Opens comments
"What is this a COD lobby?"
Gets disappointed by humanity
Goes on to do something else
TLDR uploads a new israel-palestine video
Repeat
Just NOW you got disappointed by humanity???!!!! Imagine being this sheltered, such atrocities are world wide, yet now opened your eyes?
Every ounce of my being wish for the comet to hit already, I gave up on humanity much much long ago, tell me a good thing humanity did in the last year I'll give you 100 worse.
Living under a rock sometimes is a privilege, now I cannot even eat and sleep properly because I am ashamed I could do so while others can't.
I mean, the optics of Germany being against Israel my brudda
Quickly saying: Mr. adulf Shmitler
At 2:25 you are showing Germany as a red block, but at this time, there was the GDR! I would have liked to know differences between those two blocks in regards to Israel. In your video, you are leaving out 41 years of this country's history.
Just read about Soviet foreign policy, then you will know what the GDR thought about Israel. East Berlin was loyal to Moscow until the final day.
You got way too much time on your hands to be this pedantic