Wizard of Oz 2011: Hanging Munchkin Found on VHS Tape
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2018
- (SuicidalMunchkin, 2011)
This clip is a direct capture from a 1980's VHS tape of the Wizard of Oz bought as part of a video lot from a collector. Unlike the alleged digitally altered DVD version (also screening on this channel) the sequence where Dorothy and the others enter the forest can be seen in its unedited version. Although the image is grainy and suffers from slight jittering you can see in the background what can only be described as a hanging figure.
There have been many attempts to debunk this 'urban myth' but here for the first time is what appears to be evidence to the contrary. - Фільми й анімація
a lot of controversey about this. but, this is fake, suicidal munchkin edited the tape and replaced the bird with a hanging munchkin, there is no old vhs tape with a hanging munchkin. the only true things on set is when judy garland was actually verbally abused on set. margaret hamilton's skin was burned, the tin man's makeup made him sick, the cowardly lion's costume was made out of real lion furr.
The vhs effect that "Suicidal Munchkin" put in the video is just ridiculous. And everyone with a brain can notice the choppy editing and the bad motion tracking of the fake hanging munchkin.
Judy was never verbally abused (or abused in any other way), Margaret Hamilton sprang back from her injuries and completed her work, which she loved, it was Buddy Ebsen who had a bad reaction to the Tin Woodman make-up, not Jack Haley, and Bert Lahr's costume was made of lion pelt, not just fur (and what of it?).
@Douglas Howe It was a combination of pelt and padding coming to a weight of about 70 pounds; Lahr said that it was like acting in a mattress. He himself was husky, and already developing that middle-aged paunch (look at him in the Kansas sequences).
Food has always been the bane of prosthetic appliances. The cast of "Planet of the Apes" had to eat their meals very carefully, and even if they did, after lunch the make-up people would discover that jaw pieces were full of peas and carrots, and they'd have to apply new jaws. Many of the actors opted for liquid lunches (not *that* kind!) as a result.
Bizarrely, Lahr gained weight while the movie was being made.
@Douglas Howe Certainly not 100 pounds, although it might have seemed like that to Lahr. The weight I've heard most often is 70, but who knows how much heavier it was when he'd been sweating in it for a day?
There was a costume that weighed 100 pounds, but we don't see it in the movie. In the long-gone Triumphal Return sequence in which Dorothy and the lads bring the Wicked Witch's broomstick back, an official played by Mitchell Lewis (who was also the Winkie Captain) led a procession to the Palace. He was either a High Priest or a Prime Minister, and his robes came to 100 pounds; Mitchell was tall and strong and managed it quite well by all accounts.
Cap that’s a real person
Whatever it is it's defintely hanging there and swaying slowly side to side. Definitely not a bird that's for sure
No it was a bird that was edited out and they put this in its place, There used to be a big bird walking around in the background and it spreads its wings.
Pete De But why would they edit it out and put this in? I mean seriously what was they even trying to pass this off as? Its hanging and swaying from the tree it's disturbing tbh
Pete De There is a video of this person playing the original VHS tape and they swaying object was in their movie
@@Facelessman254 They were faking it to make it look like a dead munchkin. There was never a real video.
Pete De
Either you're a manipulator, gullible, or in denial. smh
That scene does really creep me out.
Dustin Freeman the whole movie creeps me out
Me to
Dustin Freeman you realize that is just a bird right?
@@gordonramsay6286 no
Same
THAT AIN'T NO BIRD
Nope, it's CGI fakery.
@@MaskedMan66 no someone hanged themselves
@@puggaming6369 Not according to real life. Read up:
"The Making of The Wizard of Oz" by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" by Scarfone and Stillman.
Yeah it is the 1950's original but the 1960's remaster has the bird in it
Yes it is, who ever made this video edited the birds feet and wings out
he went down the wrong yellow brick road
That road he was on is the one I want to be on
@@stormyweraf7923 shit thats deep
Hey that could be a creepypasta
Logan Paul intensifies
@@arielruh7773 Would someone please explain how pasta has anything to do with creepy things?
Dorothy whips her head around twice at the beginning of the scene. She’s saw the body hanging.
Edit:
I just rewatched this, the 1st head turn she noticed it and took a full glance. The 2nd head turn was to confirm what she saw. She saw the body.
If that's your reason then why didn't she react on her way back when she was staring at it dead on.. no pun intended..lol
Tony or she was afraid the director would’ve slapped her again
Troppie true
She turned the the tin man and the tiger, not the body
she also had a reaction. She's smiling then turns her head then you can see the fear in her face.
okay, but the slower it gets, the creepier it sounds 😰
Yes.
I Got Weirded Out Myself.
Had to mute it
What wouldn't?
🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂
seriously, what wouldnt sound creepy?
notice how the scarecrow guy trips when he walks past, also Dorothy looks back twice. But they just keep going and singing a cheerful song. that's what's creeping me out
Dude, the scarecrows character is supposed to be clumsy, did you even watch the movie
@@arturotorres88 ok...whatever you say...
@@stephanrobert5593 he even does the exact same thing you are talking about here ua-cam.com/video/Mm3ypbAbLJ8/v-deo.html
"The scarecrow guy" is Ray Bolger, and if you bother to watch the movie, you'll notice that he trips all the time; in the book, the Scarecrow always trips, having no bones. Judy did *not* "look back," she looked to her sides at her friends.
@@MaskedMan66 people are too bored and really want to believe that nobody noticed a guy killing himself on set, that they didn't notice it while filming, that when they found the body they didn't make the scene again because they didn't notice it in the process of rewatching the scene like 40 times to make sure it was perfect
Seriously some people are saying " lOgAn PaUl" but this is serious this was a actual hanging body smh
I see were you are coming from but like
LOgAn PaUL
I also understand this but... logan paul did film a real dead man
true but, logan paul actually did FILM a corpse
Y'all are so blind. This is clearly bad edited.
@@daav1264 I know right, I noticed it instantly. I think they pretend not to see it.
That’s so crazy, it’s just hanging there right in front of them.
What, the saurus crane? Nothing crazy about that.
@cerys pepepe It's standing.
Standing one what? An invisible box?
@@henehhehebeb3582 No, the ground; don't watch this doctored rubbish, look at the actual movie.
The worst part is, they had to happily sing and march right past it.. thats messed up as hell.
And to think I had a birthday party themed after this movie when I was a young child....
Its kinda not hard to miss this when its literally dead centre of the screen.
Not to mention fake.
If you just pause between 0:08 and 0:09, you can see that the tree where the munchkin is hanging doesn’t even line up with the rest of the tree. This has obviously been pasted over.
"WHATS POPPIN LOGANG!!!!!"
To shay
@@vintagevlogs2307 who the fuc is shay u fukkin spastic
Damn dark ass turn
The only thing poping is meh
@@vintagevlogs2307 touche*
Why is this so damn creepy
Idek lol munchkins have a dark side?
Beacuse this movie was made in 1938 and its old and creepy and thats a real petson, and there singing while hes hanging side to side
@@RAZ0R__1879 No, it's a CGI image created by a horror author to publicize his book.
@@RAZ0R__1879 I don’t think that’s a real person
@@itsyaboi7387 You're right!
I sware I remember hearing about this back when I was like 10. We had a really old VHS tape and I looked back at it and saw the hanging munchkin. But I sware I remember seeing like his legs kicking and maybe even a different shot of it.
There were no Munchkins at MGM when this scene was filmed.
@@MaskedMan66 I almost remember it being a different scene but around the same part of the movie. I just remember when I heard about it. I went and found the VHS recording and watched it back a bunch of times. I don't know. That was over 20 years ago though
@@centennialfarm11 Trust me, there were far too many people on that set-- and each of them permitted in by Security-- for anything like a suicide to have gone unnoticed. ;-)
@@MaskedMan66 oh, you were there?
@@patri6kd3mps3y8 I don't need to have been; I've done research, backed up by the even more detailed research of people who did speak to those involved. Besides, it's a simple and well-known fact that a movie is a very big and involved thing to make; ANY movie set has tons of people on it.
I feel scarecrow did see the munchkin but decide to keep playing his character.
There's no way he could have seen a Munchkin because the Singer Midgets were not in Hollywood yet.
@@MaskedMan66 but that's a person hanging!!
@@fpalasdsadadasdasd No, that's a fake CGI image which was created as a deliberate "creepypasta" by a horror author in 2011. There are imperfections in it, primarily the fact that you can still see the sarus crane's wing tips.
Yeah maybe he saw it from upclose and once he found it he got freaked out and fell on the floor, but still got up to continue playing character
He looked left and fell not front where it is positioned
Wait she looked back twice dorothy knew my childhood is gone 😔
She didn't look "back," she looked to her sides at her friends.
I'm sorry look again she did
@@yeat4twizzy There was nothing in the back to see but that huge saurus crane which can be seen in the real movie. This clip has been doctored.
@@MaskedMan66 why are u so obsessed with arguing with people on this?
@@vincent-qz7tr I don't argue, I deliver the facts.
For the people saying that "They would've broke character if it was real." (Mostly on other videos) the actor of dorthy was slapped because she did a scene wrong and probably more, if they'd broken character to call out a *hanging body* something worse probably would've happened
No, this is an edited hoax. There are obvious errors that prove this.
It wasn't that Judy had done anything wrong, it was that she had an uncontrollable giggle fit because Bert Lahr was so funny doing his crying routine. Ordinarily when she got the giggles, they were content to just let her get it our of her system, but on this one occasion they were getting close to quitting time, and she had ruined several takes, so Fleming saw no alternative but to give her a slap to calm her down. It worked, and she nailed the next take. Afterwards, he felt awful over what he'd done, and she forgave him.
And by the way, that was the one and only time she ever got slapped while making "Wizard." And not only that, but that happened a week or so *after* they had filmed this scene.
Yeah, plus Judy Garland was given loads of amphetamines for the long production shoots (72 hours at a time according to her own admission later on), then she was given barbiturates to get less than 4 hours of sleep, then she'd be woken up to repeat the same regimen. After some time of that it'll take a toll on your cognitive abilities, and you'll eventually experience side effects like delirium, auditory/visual hallucinations, and an inability to react to external or internal stimuli. Essentially you become so robotic that you can only focus on one goal at a time, in this case it's her singing/dancing and following the script.
So she may have seen the hanging Munchkin, but her brain couldn't process an emotional reaction until after the scene ended.
Sadly, all of this took a toll on her mental health and contributed to her decline and eventual early death.
@@GuitarHeroPhenomSux Judy only worked for four hours a day on "Wizard" (because of California child labor laws) and had tons of natural energy. No medicinal "help" was required. There could not have been a hanging Munchkin because this scene was completed a week before the Singer Midgets even set foot on the MGM lot. Indeed, there could not have been a hanging *anything* because MGM was not an incompetent indie house; it was the top moviemaking studio in the country. The nearly 100 people on that closed set, all of them allowed in by Security, knew what they were doing.
This movie had absolutely zilch to do with Judy's later problems. Try researching the movie from authoritative sources. Three excellent books that will give you a real education are “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
brother the background aint even real 💀
everyone it’s real they just covered it up with a bird the guy was depressed that he didn’t get to see his family that much and he didn’t make a lot of money the dogs got more money so he killed himself why else would they ban the original tape. Believe or not if you go to the thrift store check that free stuff cause those tapes go for millions and thousands of dollars because there so rare and there is ls a guy hanging in the back
Poor guy
I watched the original and it clearly showed someone carrying a chair out there and hanging himself on tv in the movie. But since has been edited to show a bird
That's bullshit.
ua-cam.com/video/9R2Xnu0xj7s/v-deo.html
The hanging munchkin is fake this guy brought a verson before hanging munchkin and was indeed a bird
The wizard of oz is a messed up movie there is a lot of stuff that happend when they weren't recording...
What happend when they didnt record?
Ferdi dorothy was assaulted and abused back stage and on set because she supported gay rights, she was touched by the munchkins, the tin man got aluminum dust on his face and affected his breathing problems 🙁
@@SARAH-xe7xx that's dark, how did u find out?
The witch’s clothes got set on fire burning her face and hands taking off a bunch of skin 😭
@@tomcwoose553 u can just sreach it up on youtube
Dorthy looked at the body twice....
You can also see the Scarecrow collapse out of shock twice, Dorothy even has to pick him up during his second collapse. He looks back at the body and like you said Dorothy did as well, you can see the fear in both her and Scarecrow's faces.
She looked at her friends.
@@veganleans7500 Are you an idiot or do you just do an amazing impression of one? THE SCARECROW ALWAYS TRIPS AND STUMBLES AND FALLS! The only body there is the very much alive body of a very much alive saurus crane. The "hanging object" is a bit of CGI humbug.
@@MaskedMan66 Not an idiot. I would have assumed my grammar would have given that away. I haven't seen the movie in years, and to be frank I don't care about something that may or may not have happened 90 years ago. Hanging or not, they'd be dead by now anyways.
@@veganleans7500 It (the "suicide") never happened, and the word is "anyway."
I find this scene creepy as all hell, they don’t even mention the body.
Edit: Yeah all the things you see in the video are all ruckus, it has been proven to be a bird, not an actual dead munchkin.
That's because there wasn't one.
what do you mean? the body was right there...
@@User-rv1wt This video features some CGI humbug. Watch the real movie-- and it doesn't matter on which format-- and you won't see this.
@@MaskedMan66 well because they cut it from the final cut..
@@User-rv1wt No, it's because what was there in real life was a sarus crane. This is an isolated clip that has been doctored with CGI.
I remember thinking that was the wicked witch in the background when I had the VHS just to find out it was a hanging body.
It was neither; the WWW had already flown away, and nobody committed suicide-- or had an accident that resulted in him or her getting hanged. It's a stupid urban myth that sick people get off on.
@@MaskedMan66 Well it's not a bird.
@@r4h4al Yes, it was; MGM had borrowed some exotic birds from the LA Zoo to populate the forest around the Tin Woodman's cottage. A certain saurus crane appeared throughout, mostly standing by the cottage, and then in the background when the travelers headed upstage.
@@MaskedMan66 you must be blind or stupid
@@subseeker Neither. I advise you to read the books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
You can see scarecrow freaking out when noticing the munchkin
They kinda pointed at him
I was thinking the same thing
@@zainadineyusuf351 theory
No, they didn't, and why would they point at a saurus crane?
I don't think that's dead body the body is CGI
@@Ghost1980187 And very primitive CGI as well, created in 2011.
So in the actual wizard of oz in this clip i guess one of the munchkins killed them self by hanging themself in the shooting scene to show that he was tired of reshooting everything
My mom told me it was a worker who was tied to a rope to manage things from above, but the rope slipped and the person died
@TheaterCorryYGC
Yeah theres different ways to tell the story
TheaterCorryYGC No unfortunately the man was depressed because of not seeing his family and having a low pay check. RIP
@@erhhhh27 Wrong.
@@mariabuenrostro3788 And all of them false.
Would to go back in time just to see what really happened
No need to; we have studio records. The stupid urban myth of the "hanging object" was started in the 1970's.
it was the directors son check my answers for the facts
@@rodmonge4343 Victor Fleming didn't have a son.
@@rodmonge4343 Yes, because 'Rod Monge' is the absolute authority when it comes to the Wizard of Oz, so much so that he apparently isn't even aware that Victor Fleming only had daughters.
@@PiperSparkles You rock my world, Cuppy!
Crazy how they just kept filming after that
After what?
@Bekah Jane I'm a man, and the question remains. There was no suicide, so what was there they should not have filmed "after?"
@@MaskedMan66 omg gurl really ???
Crazy how everyone just keep falling for this shit.
@@PiperSparkles then what’s hanging ? You think you know ? Bc it’s not a craine the REMASTERED version we have today has the craine
people tryna say thats a bird lmaooo
maizie watts they make it a bird in the remastered version
Someone brought a verison before suicide munchkin and was a bird
This is not a hanging munchkin
CATS WITH KYLA if you think its a bird you seriously are stupid as fuck
You guys all realize there’s a thing called “editing”. Look at 2:57, you can clearly see the tip of the crane’s wing pop out behind the tree. Whoever edited this obviously didn’t realize the wing that sticks out. Please stop being gullible.
Notice how when they got on the yellow brick road Dorothy turned around twice
She saw the hanging body
She looked at her friends, that's all. There was no body.
@@MaskedMan66no she looked at the tree if you closey the tree moves
@@Ghost1980187 The sarus crane moves. All Judy does is what she rehearsed; Dorothy has realized that they're heading the wrong way and need to double back. They did it that way for every take of this shot.
@@MaskedMan661:52 sorry to tell sarus crane but the hanging got me💀
That jumpscare got me😂😂😂
That's a hanging body, see how it swings back n forth a little bit. Notice the actors expression, mainly Dorothy's. There's a rope that leads to the body's neck, as you can see underneath his body there's nothing. So it ain't no tree or no bird display.
The "hanging object" is a CGI fake made in 2011. And how can you see their expressions when their backs are to you?
@@MaskedMan66 bro you have literally replied to every single comment under this video💀
@@courtdaniels99 Neither literally nor figuratively.
it's the directors son. he was sacrificed to Satan for fame or he was molested and plotted revenge live on movie air time to get his father back
@@rodmonge4343 The director didn't have a son.
there goes my chance of sleeping tonight 😭
It's rubbish.
@@MaskedMan66 no one asked you
@@kayJBayla Nobody had to; I operated independently.
@@MaskedMan66 4 months later. Man get over yourself dude it’s been 4 months since my comment and 10 months ago since your comment I responded to. Get a life 😂 it’s really sad that you’re STILL responding to people about this dumb shit.
I just watched a video about the terrible working conditions on set. The witch being coated in green copper, igniting, the beyond uncomfortable suits...makes this very credible-
Hello, ANY movie is difficult to make, and people have had to wear far more uncomfortable costumes in far harsher conditions; case in point, Anthony Daniels out in the Tunisisn desert in his fiberglass See-Threepio costume.
As for Margaret Hamilton, the copper is what made the make-up green, and neither she nor any of the Winkies suffered any lasting effects from wearing it.
There is nothing credible about the suicide story, not when you have knowledge of what goes into making a movie and the vast numbers of people who are present on a sound stage-- a closed sound stage, mark you.
@@MaskedMan66 Yeah, credible wasn't the word I meant to use there, I meant believable. My bad. I was just saying if I had to live through conditions like that it might have been me back there :P I was saying it's plausible from a mental health perspective. I'm sure there probably have been worse, but I happened to stumble on those videos one after another, so the dots lined up, y'know?
@@Sapphireeyes104 I understand. But people were a heckuva lot tougher back when, because they had to be. And performers like Lahr, Haley, and Bolger had come from vaudeville, which was one of the hardest jobs in showbiz.
The truth is, the cast was a very close-knit group; Haley and Lahr were best friends, and Bolger had grown up in the same neighborhood with Haley and even went to the same church. Judy had worked with Haley before on a movie called "Pigskin Parade," so they knew each other already.
Judy loved to laugh, so she was always plying the other three for jokes, and they were happy to oblige-- though there were some jokes they only told amongst themselves because they knew the jokes weren't fit for Judy's young ears.
@@MaskedMan66 Having close friends like that around would definitely make life easier, and if they had already performed even more taxing shows they would be more than prepared for it. That's interesting. I might have to see if there are stories about that group in a little while. I know I probably wouldn't have survived Oz.
@@Sapphireeyes104 Some really great and informative books have been written about the production of the movie. Three I always recommend are “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
I feel like they all saw it but decided not to say anything
Yeah, because that's just a normal thing that a film studio would do. I feel like some people should use more common sense.
They didn't see this, because the CGI image didn't exist then.
@@MaskedMan66 so the other two didn't see it
@@strangerkid7964 Nobody saw it, not one of the nearly 100 people on that set, because it didn't exist until 2011.
@@MaskedMan66 oh
Anyway, this is my fave WOO conspiracy video, mainly because it sounds so damn FREAKY at the slowest speed.
It's bl**dy fake.
@@MaskedMan66 did they say it wasn’t?
@@milliethemoo Doesn't matter; people do believe that idiotic urban myth.
1:55
Tyasia Brown 💀💀💀💀😭
@@christianbridegroom9708 why are you making fun of her name
@@ellalee96 I'm not, I was replying to her comment. If you click on the time link it shows the tin man going across the screen and it was funny
@@ellalee96 well its scary for me lmaoo
@@ellalee96 this person really thought they were making fun of their name 😭😭
R.I.P for the munchkin
There was no Munchkin; they hadn't arrived in Hollywood yet.
@@MaskedMan66 Yeah and i think were the "MUNCHKIN" was hanging it was part of the wall painting because the bird were behind the white trees and not the black trees .
@@queenofhearts9024 The sarus crane was standing on the set. The backdrop was twenty feet behind the set.
@@MaskedMan66 OK thanks
@@queenofhearts9024 You're welcome!
They just left a dead body on set and filmed the scene when he was still there
Why would they do that
No you can see it moving and you can also see the horror in Dorothy's eyes when she turns back
if you didn’t know the trees aren’t even real it’s a green screen background so how is it hanging
@@raya660 Green-screen editing didn't exist while they were making this movie. The movie was released in 1939 and green screen was made in 1940.
This is not true. There was no hanging munchkin
This swinging dwarf is as existing as my love life.
There were no dwarfs on this movie.
@@MaskedMan66 honestly starting to think you are just a buzzkill
@@milliethemoo You get a buzz from lame jokes about a stupid rumor?
Well then I’m expecting that your actively dating
@@HappyHalloween11 well then I expect that it is opposite day
2:10 do you hear them breathing in before singing the next line?
ferociousgumby that’s so true
ferociousgumby i’m confused, yeah why would they not breathe
It may be a gasp-?
Probably because they need oxygen
Tell me guys im not the only on hear "HOLY SHIT"
1. This scene was filmed weeks before the munchkins were completely cast and weeks before any arrived on the set. No possible way it could be a munchkin.
2. While it truly was a bird all along, the 1998 restoration and all home video releases from 1999 onwards have the bird edited to appear more like a bird and less like a person.
1. The Singer Midgets arrived at MGM a week after the Tin Woodman sequence was completed, but still too late to have been there while it was being made.
2. All that has been done to the film is that picture and sound have been sharpened. Nothing has been altered.
As someone who owns a copy of each major video restoration/remaster that there has ever been of this film, I can verify that this is not true. Nothing was ever edited or altered in regards to the scene in question. The only thing that has ever changed is the clarity and resolution.
It's not female It's the boy munchkin ok let's see here the black munchkin in the background is actually still frame of the coroner munchkin he walk to Dorothy telling her said witch is sincerely dead whoever edit this clip they took the screen shot him make him small and darkened him and fit into one of the trees
Fun fact: The Munckin actor did hung himself some people taught is fake but is real and it’s not a bird when done filming in post production they erase the hanging Munckin and put a bird but Judy Garland Ray Bolger and Jack Haley saw the dead Munchkin
2. You can see Judy looking back two times
Jay Tromp “ *fun* fact” 😂
PSI_R1oT hahaha
who’s Judy? It’s Dorothy
Charlie Fluffles that’s the actors name
Charlie Fluffles Judy Garland she played Dorothy
I love that your name in 2020 is Avgnfan because coincidentally James Rolfe loves the wizard of oz, and horror movies.
You know, I don't really know what to believe. I don't know if that was a munchkin or a prop.
It's a fake video with a hanging object superimposed into the scene. The trees were just a matte painting, meaning you couldn't hang off of them.
Ian Smith
There was never a hanging munchkin. People today have convinced themselves that 1939 was like some kind of dark age - the idea that someone could kill themselves on a film set and it wouldn’t leak is absurd. There were hundreds of people on that set, before the director said action (as with any movie musical) there is a lengthy process of lighting, touching up make up, spacing the choreography amongst otherthings before they even do a first take. For that one sequence, they would’ve been on that set for days. Do people honestly believe in the hours spent on that set that nobody noticed? That they honestly only saw a dead actor after they had printed the film? And the gossip columnists in those days were even worse than today. This movie was a huge, huge deal. One of the biggest books of the century being given the Hollywood musical treatment was huge. It was constantly in the press. If stories of the munchkin that got stuck in the toilet, the original writer being fired (which was not the story the studio released) the original director being fired (again that wasn’t what the studio tried to spin) the munchkins being drunk on set, the wardrobe department having issues with Judy Garlands weight etc etc - made it into the press when the studio didn’t want them to you honestly believe that an actor killing themselces on a set of hundreds of workers did not leak? They went back and refilmed huge portions of the movie made with the original director and then with the new director they again went back and refilmed huge sections with the Tin Man because his suit wasn’t rusted. They are going to spend millions of dollars doing that and not go back and refilmed a section with a dead body?
It was a bird. This version is edited by someone from the internet age.
None it was a bird
@@bigred8432 this movie came out in 1939, a time when vhs didn't even exist and when everyone went to a movie theatre instead. You act as if the 1980's were a primitive era and never mention it's about 50 years after the original film. This is the edited version and your clearly a Hollywood fanatic who enjoys his Spider-Man and other pointless marvel movies, and probably made a post about stan Lee when he died. Pedophilia was rampant on the set of this movie, as well as sacrifice and other things. We don't know anything and neither do you now go watch your Netflix as its far more likely someone rebelled in 1986 and secretly restored the original image, he's probably dead now but did it as a way of whistle blowing, ever consider that?
@@thestation4768 Who said that VHS existed in 1939?
Sequences like this are not filmed in one take. This took hours. During that time you have a director, make up people, a choreographer, the assistant choreographer, sound, lighting, electricians, the fire martial, the stand ins for the actors and more and more people, all on set - nobody noticed a dead body hanging from a tree? And a movie that spent millions of dollars re-filming the Tin Man's footage because his suit wasn't rusty looking, or fired a director and re-shot all of his footage didn't have the budget to reshoot this scene.
Not to mention you can still see the bird behind the 'hanging man' because whoever made this, didn't properly edit it out.
Pedophilia was certainly rife in Hollywood in the 30's, we are talking about a studio in which an executive got his penis out to show Shirley Temple, whilst her mother was on the couch with another exec in the next office - yes, there was scandal, yes they covered it up much like today but it always gets out eventually. Not one person involved in this movie talked about this suicide, in the years after? With all the stories that have come about the making of this, both good and bad?
And your nonsense about Marvel is cheap. Not only is it not true (which doesn't matter) but what insult a complete stranger on the internet just because you don't agree with the?
hear me out even if this is real which is seems like it is and it’s creeping me out, if it was real why the hell would they upload? the movie like that, knowing someone commuted suicide during the film
Daisy Nava they didn’t realise at first, after they realised they covered him up with a bird
Maybe because back than you couldn't redo a part or else that would cost alot of money and they couldn't do anything else expect just to upload it.
You do know some of the actors were sexually harassed and molested by producers right? Dorothy was also drugged so she could stay up to 48 hours without getting tired
It was a creepy filming set they might if mistakes it
Because it was a sacrifice what does Hollywood stand for, from the holly tree the holly tree is the tree of the underworld, and used for wands the hollweird are dark magicians who practice the kabalion. Look up spirit cooking look up panda eyes. This is real stuff not a conspiracy why does monsters inc talk about harvesting Adrenochrome which is oxides adrenaline in the body caused by fear. When the ancients said that is a real thing going on? Why does the Adrenochrome molecule look exactly like a soccer ⚽️ pattern and they use it non stop in monsters inc. the amount of kids that go missing each year is no coincidence. We are in the dark ages the Iron Age and last cycle.
Yeah that aint no damn bird
You're right, it's a piece of CGI fakery. The bird is in the real movie.
Conspiracies always start from a kernel of truth. We know munchkins were mistreated on set (it’s worth noting many of them weren’t exactly pillars of society) and then there’s this old cut of the film which is surprisingly difficult to find. People will use those truths as a spring board to launch them into the absurd. The truth is this footage is grainy as hell and it’s impossible to tell with any degree certainty what is there. The truth is if you connect enough dots you can see whatever truth you want, it’s scientifically observable, the human perception is that easy to fool
The Singer Midgets were not mistreated, and there was a small number of them that enjoyed a drink or five after work, but they were hardly barbarians. Also, they didn't even set foot on the MGM campus until a week after this scene was shot. There's no "old cut"; the movie has been in its familiar form ever since 1939. This video features a fake CGI image created in 2011.
It's not surprising at all that the "old cut" of this film is hard to find seeing as it doesn't exist at all. The only place you can see this "hanging munchkin" is right here on UA-cam where the clip originated from. It's never been in any proper print of the film.
This isn't the clip from my VHS..(late 80s) Mine shows someone actually jumping and then swinging.
WAIT. SHOW
No, it doesn't, because no one ever did.
@@tonguesxteeth I'll have to dig it out at my mom's next time I go over there. If I find it.. I'll send it to you.
I had that one, as well! It was taped off TV and I distinctly recall the high drop and then very obvious swinging. But....why would there be 2 versions? Plus the most recent edit with the bird spreading its wings...? So bizarre!
@@pyrettablaze86 There is only one version, and it's got a sarus crane; maybe you thought when it swung its head around you mistook its beak for something else. But make no mistake, there have never been any changes made to that scene in any release of the movie. What you see here is a bit of CGI flummery, vintage 2011.
Hey btw man, last year I made a video debunking all of these hanging munchkin videos but this is the main video that really helped me figure out a lot of the editing mistakes.
Suicidal munchkin's original video got taken down ages ago so if it wasn't for your reupload, it would have been a lot harder to figure this myth so thank you
Ik the who the hanging munchkin it is ik it lot's time
@@Ghost1980187 ?
Yeah and it didn't convince me im sorry if it looked at all like a bird maybe but what live bird could they have even positioned that way unless it was also hanging unnaturally. What crane looked like a 4 foot tall man w a little hat on I can see the shoe and hat shape . I see nothing resembling a bird in any way. The director didn't care he just wanted the scene shot and printed . And tell me this okay since hypothetically it's a bird why would they have ever taken that out or changed it in future vhs if it was supposed to be there. And how did this so called myth even stay relevant over almost 90 years if it's not believable I just need it to make more sense
@@rachelreeb695 The "hanging object" video is a many-times-proven fake created in 2011. None of the imagery in the movie has ever been altered. The lie-- not "myth"-- has only been around since the 1970's, and had pretty much faded into the obscurity it deserves until a UA-camr created a homemade "creepypasta" on his computer. He took a still photo of Meinhardt Raabe in his Coroner gear, darkened it, and plunked it into an isolated shot from the end of the Tin Woodman's intro sequence.
@@rachelreeb695 The reason why this video's figure doesn't look like a bird is because this video is fake. The real video had a bird.
The film makers never changed it. The only reason why it might look like it has changed for some people is because generally speaking, watching an old vhs tape on an old tv is visually different to watching a Blur ray version on a modern tv.
Director Victor Fleming was actually dedicated to making the film the best he could but even if he didn't care about the film, why would he just randomly start recording someone being hanged? Who would randomly incriminate themselves like that?
And the myth hasn't been around since the film started. I made another video called "The Plague of Yellow Journalism" where I go into my details of this but as far as I'm aware, the myth started in the 70s and not much earlier, roughly around the time the film started having reruns on television
0:21 I think the scarecrow saw
The crane? Well, it was pretty big.
@@MaskedMan66 that’s not a crane
@@willmorris6781 Not in this doctored clip, no. But in the real movie, it is.
@@SifyaL It's not a person, literally or figuratively. It's a CGI image, and it's got flaws; for instance, you can still see the tips of the crane's wings. If anyone had died on the set by any means, production would have halted and the police (as it was an enormous complex, MGM had its own police force) would have been called in. That's what happens in the real world.
@@SifyaL What you need to hear about is truth, and that can be found in these books: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
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I remember seeing the wizard of oz on TV back in the 1980s . And I remember that. And in other chapters in the film there was other weird things in the background.
You can't remember seeing this in the 1980's because that CGI image wasn't created until 2011.
It’s fake so you didn’t see shit
@@MaskedMan66 no
This was a legend long before then
@@countof3everybodyOD It was a lie first told in the 1970's.
Dorothys Face Changes When She Looks Back A Second Time
Because she's singing (or rather lipsyncing) and concentrating on the dance.
I used to take 78 rpm records and play them at 16 rpm (a seldom-used speed for spoken word). It sounded kind of like this.
Whats really creepy is that its like, swinging and just....
Ewww I hate it
It's fake; a hamfisted bit of CGI.
@@MaskedMan66 awh yo for real?
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1:16 yeah its sarus crane but if you look closey you can see a skull floating top the dead body
Can someone do a tutorial video on Windows Movie Maker on how to edit out the bird and add a hanging figure in the background like in this video?
That's the thing: he didn't edit out the bird; you can still see its wings.
:coroner she's is not merely dead she is most really sincerely dead
0:07 Dorothy keeps looking at it.
If you look even closer, you can see Logan Paul with a camera,
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The trees aren't real, so how could anyone hang themself? Wow, some people are just so easily led to a really weird place. LOL!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣 just look at all thick in the head comments, and they live their entire lives like this
Wow there it goes. Insane good work
after judy looked back the second time, she knew exactly what she looked at. she was absolutely horrified. so you cannot say that is not a hanging body.
It’s fake hun. She didn’t see shit
Also the scarecrow tripped when they were going up, maybe he saw it as well? He even saw Dorothy's face in shock
@@Milky_Way5559 it’s fake. Famously so
@@BonnieAngel141 I didn't say I was right, it's just speculation!
How in the world do you think she was "horrified?" She was doing a move she and the two others had rehearsed by which they realized they were heading the wrong way and had to do a 180.
I don’t really know what to believe....
Not this ua-cam.com/video/rYJMTiz4DCY/v-deo.html
Believe movie history, which makes it quite plain that there were birds on that set lent from the LA Zoo.
@@MaskedMan66 That was in the 50th Anniversary edition. That's a hanging man
@@spidermanakin Nope, that was in 1938 when the scene was filmed; both times the scene was filmed, actually; they shot it once, then realized that Jack Haley didn't look at all rusty, so they made his suit and make-up look oxidized and re-shot everything. Both times, they used some birds lent them by the Los Angeles Zoo. That scene-stealing saurus crane once lunged at Ray Bolger, figuring it could have a good meal of straw from his costume!
Common sense should point you in the right direction.
a lot of people say it is a bird, but this is the original vhs tape, in every version after this, the body was edited out and replaced with a bird. also, they didn't stop the scene because the director was on a budget and they couldn't afford to take another clip. dorthy also was slapped for laughing in one scene, so much worse would've happened if she pointed out a hanging body
How long did it take to think up all of that "research"? You should think about becoming an author.
The budget for the movie was close to three million dollars, and MGM had deep pockets, so even if they went overbudget-- which they did-- it was not a problem. Judy wasn't slapped for laughing; she had frequent giggle fits. But on one, solitary, unique occasion, her fit was delaying the completion of a take that they had to get done before the studio shut down for the evening, and that time was fast approaching. Victor Fleming administered a slap which snapped her out of it, she nailed the take, and then she and Fleming patched things up. End of story.
You can't actually believe this
That house is just as creepy as the scene ‼️ 🎬
There was a recording without the music and you can hear the actor of dorthy screaming
Geez....this is so disturbing. If you look closely, you can clearly see feet.
This is fake.
If it was was on DVD or Blue Ray the detail will be much clearer to see it.
It never has been and it never will be. The "hanging object" is a CGI fake made by a UA-camr.
Watch Scarecrow trip twice he must have noticed the hanging body. And Dorothy pulls him up by the shoulder both times he falls. She's getting him to continue on performing for the film because she knew how expensive each take was and they were reprimanded if they used too many takes.
You have obviously never read the book or seen this entire movie. The Scarecrow is clumsy, and always trips, stumbles, and falls.
The Tin Woodman's introductory scene was initially filmed from November 6th to November 11th, 1938, but when someone realized that Jack Haley's suit was too shiny they knew they'd have to reshoot. So Wardrobe dirtied up the buckram Tin Woodman costume to make it look properly rusty, and the sequence was redone from November 15th to November 19th. It was a closed set with only authorized people permitted to enter. Each person there (and there were dozens, likely close to a hundred) had a task to perform, including set dressers and lighting technicians in the gantries up close to the ceiling. Birds were brought in, lent by the Los Angeles Zoo, including a saurus crane that at one point lunged for Ray Bolger, attracted by the straw stuffing in his costume. That crane appeared in the back of the set for however many takes they did of the shot of Dorothy and her friends heading upstage, and in the take selected by Film Editor Blanche Sewell, the crane was seen to peck at the ground, then rear up and spread its wings.
The next sequences filmed were the Cowardly Lion's intro scene (November 21st to 22nd), scenes in and around the Wicked Witch's castle (November 29th to December 3rd), and the Poppy Field scene (December 9th to 10th).
The Munchkinland sequence began filming on December 17th, a month after the Tin Man scene was (if I may put it that way) in the can.
The movie is the same, shot for shot, in any format and any release year. It has never been altered.
You can see the freaking noose
Amazing what they can do with CGI nowadays, innit?
@@MaskedMan66 yes but even more amazing what they could get away with on straight film in 1939
@@meltedmarshdaddy Such as what? Real live saurus cranes on movie sets? That was a doddle.
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If you look in the background of the new one you can faintly see the body swinging
Just CGI humbug.
This is what is on the VHS video that i watched many times growing up in the 90s
In the remastered version they definitely put a bird there to cover it up
Nope. Remastering is only sharpening picture and sound. Nothing was changed.
@@MaskedMan66 ua-cam.com/video/8HYfsYwSy80/v-deo.html
@@MaskedMan66 wrong
@@thomasjones6365 No, quite right. That is what remastering means. It does not mean messing with the film's content, especially where a classic movie is concerned.
As for the video you linked, I've already left comments there as to its misrepresentation of the facts; among other things, I said, "The image on the right is vintage 2011 and does not appear on any real release of the movie; it's just an isolated clip monkeyed with by a UA-camr."
Maybe that house belongs to that Munchkin
There's no Munchkin, and the house belongs to the Tin Woodman.
Along with disproven movie rumors like this and the “ghost “ that was a cardboard cut out in Three Men and a Baby, wasn’t there one that a car can be seen in the background of The Ten Commandment or Ben Hur? I seem to remember hearing that some years ago..
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Never heard about them.
This whole phenomenon was happening pre internet and UA-cam. My sister and I noticed this in the mid eighties and how they changed in the 90s.
You can't have noticed this in the 80's, because it didn't exist until 2011 or so.
@@MaskedMan66 🤣🤣
If you look closely on the side of the trees you can see somthing out Stretch from both of them so the person who edit the suicide didnt take out that wings that Stretch out from the crane (the bird)2:56
I seen both as a kid and teen in the 90s I feel like it is a hanging munchkin because they removed it and once they sharpened the image (remastered) you could see it better that it was someone hanging so they replaced it with a bird ... Because birds was popular in the movie lol
Nobody was hanged, and when this scene was made, the Singer Midgets hadn't even arrived in Hollywood yet.
@@MaskedMan66 was you on set cuz you talk like you was
@@Lillyporsch888 Would you attest to the fact that General Lee signed a surrender document at Appomattox at the end of the War Between the States?
Yes?
Were you there?
No.
But there are reports about it in documents of the time and in history books.
I don't need to have been at MGM in November of 1938 to attest to the fact that the Singer Midgets first set foot on the MGM lot a week after the Tin Woodman sequence had been completed, because reporters of the time wrote about it and their information has been referred to in books in the decades since.
@@MaskedMan66 Video proof I wasn't at mgm either but I know what I seen and I know it was like that till around the remastered time ..... It does not have to be a Hanging munchkin ok sweet it could have been a hanging bag idk the fact it was there and they wanted it gone...
@@Lillyporsch888 It doesn't matter what you think you "seen," it wasn't a hanging anything; Victor Fleming and his crew were film professionals, not incompetents. That sound stage was full of set dressers, props people, lighting techs, bird wranglers, hair & make-up people, and all manner of crew (nearly 100 people all told). Nothing was out of place.
I've never seen the original, but we had a copy of the remastered version on VHS. I remember seeing that part when I was growing up, but I thought it was the Cowardly Lion just jumping around in the background of the set.
If you've seen the movie, you've seen the original, because it has not been changed-- ever. This is the end of the Tin Woodman's scene; the Lion's is just about to start, but there is a time lapse.
Imagine this being the final song you listen to.
Honestly that would be the best ever
This is the original version. “When The Wizard of Oz was re-released in 1989 for its 50th anniversary, the confusing footage had been cleaned up. The bird appears in a different place to where it first appeared. This is the version that is now considered the definitive cut, the one you’ll likely have seen on television. Yet if you review the original footage, it still feels like something is off.”
Nope, this is a CGI-festooned fake. There has only ever been one version of the full movie.
Then why does the bird appear in ALL VHS releases predating 1989?
@@MaskedMan66nope you are wrong it was remastered in 1985 and all brushed up and edited this is the original ,
Nice try tho .
@@leechiappa8177 Remastering is a process by which sound and picture are brought up to the best possible specs. It does not involve changing a movie's content. This is a fake.
@@leechiappa8177Remastering is just enhancing the visual and sound quality, nothing to do with actual retouching, at least not in those days.
The ability to do CGI at this time was not accessed by everyone, and even the CGI that was able to be produced at the time looked awful.
In the 80s, CGI only looked good if it was stylized, but it would look bad if it were supposed to be realistic.
Okay that is weird, there’s a version there it’s definitely a big bird noticeably moving, and they say it was always a bird and the clearer quality let you see it, but look at the version with the bird and then look at this, that thing ain’t moving!
This is a doctored clip that you won't find on any home video release.
I saw this in school a kid had the vhs copy. I almost want to say it showed him getting a ladder, climbing the ladder, putting the rope around his neck and jumping off? Does nobody recall?
No, because if anyone had tried that, Victor Fleming would have yelled, "Cut! Get that bastard out of there!" But nothing like that ever happened.
It looked more like someone fell off a ladder and grabbed a rope or a cord on their way down, it could have been someone from the production crew adjusting the lights and then the person falls and was able to grab on to something and swung to the right and then back to the left.
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0:35
I know this is fake but it's still creepy
Wow..I am rarely at a loss for words...Wow.
It's a fake.
Zoomed in you can see more detail of the hanging figure, so creepy.
It's also fake.
@@MaskedMan66 we know it's scary it's actually scary edit
@@Ghost1980187 How can it be scary when you know it's a ****ing fraud?
I went to a museum and they talked about it in one of the little videos they had and they said that they think it was a munchkin that unalived himself because Dorothy wouldn’t date him.
They lied, then, because the Singer Midgets hadn't even arrived at MGM until a week after this scene was shot. The Tin Woodman's first scene was shot in early and mid-November of 1938, while the Munchkinland sequence began filming in mid-December.
@MaskedMan66 they edit trying to look real😒
The second clip makes it so much more clear. That is terrifying, they all saw it, I know they did. They didn’t stop otherwise they would get slapped FOR SEEING A DEAD FRICKEN BODY?! LIKE THEY STILL GET YELLED AT IF THEY STOPPED IN THAT SITUATION. This is just heartbreaking. Dorothy looked back twice. Twice. I think the reason is, is because all the actors were getting abused on set
Would you quit it? Judy got slapped exactly once during the whole six-month shooting schedule, and that was a week after this scene was filmed. What you see in this video is a fake CGI image. What was really on that set was a sarus crane.
@@MaskedMan66 are you blind? It’s legs. You aren’t changing the way I look at things. Don’t correct my sight.
@@cherrycheesecake01 Then correct it yourself. Watch the actual movie, and it doesn't matter whether it's VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, or whatever. You will not see anything hanging.
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very impressive editing by suicidialmunchkin
Reminds me......
*did Logan Paul film this*
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Wow because of that whole thing in that forest
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So what vhs version is this because my 1989 50th anniversary version clearly shows a bird not this.
Okay paintballers.
1. This is not real. The swinging is definitely too animated. A body would not swing that much having hanged there for a while unless it just happened or it was influenced by a force such as someone pushing it.
2. Having said previously, if someone hung themselves between the cut to song and the previous scene, as the "body" is about 5 - 10m from the road, and about 50+ metres from the actors. And the vision is so crisp, no one could have missed it and they would have stopped shooting.
3. The slowmo shot is what catches it out. Look at scarecrow's head, a lovely mask outline of the blue background between the body and scarecrow an editing artifact. It would have been difficult to cut out properly.
4. To those who think "oh he'd have to edit the layer to fit in with the camera effect." No they wouldn't, the original would be pretty crisp as is without a filter over it. They could just edit it together, and throw a vhs effect over it to make it seem like they recorded it from a vhs. Plus vhs filters are mainly all the same, none of them contain any static, it's always misaligned pixels.
5. Who here remembers the days of chain mail and stories coming from reddit, 4chan, copypasta. The amount of young people wanted to be cool having been one of the misfortunate people who experienced one if these happenings. Many people all over the place are saying "I have a copy of this with the body in it." No they don't, they like the way the narrative sells, so they continue to keep the spirit alive by claiming they have it.
6. EVERY version you see on youtube is the same, low res, blue filtered, "vhs" video. They are all using the hoax footage.
Go eye but the body swing is not animated some people made it swing little to make realistic but the black munchkin in the background is actually still frame of the coroner munchkin
I’m telling you for a fact that this scene was tampered with. You can not find 1 original VHS version with this in it because it never happened. There is absolutely no way not one person working on the film didn’t see that. It’s clearly not true. I’ve heard someone who asked one of the last remaining munchkins and they said it never happened
Maybe they didnt say anything so they would cover it up? Idk just a guess
Bruh, ever heard of covering things up? Also watch the full video! Explain to me what that is, cause the close it gets the more it looks like a hanging body
@@TheClubOrtiz I GUARANTEE you can’t find any VHS with this scene in it. It was also confirmed that it was a tampered clip someone made a long time ago to start an urban legend. Show me a legit VHS from this movie with this scene. Bet $100 you can’t
@@actoronstage.9654 I can. Cause my grandpa owns the version, he get a copy when he was around 8 and kept it since, so yea.
@@TheClubOrtiz It wont have the hagning munchkin scene
This is an edited video of the original VHS, the creator has placed a fake munchkin in the scene. Look at the tree around it, it’s details are more prominent than other details in the frame. The scene was doctored for sure.
I doubt this was even made from an original VHS. I have the original silver box VHS and it looks much more vivid and not as sharp as this.
Dorothy saw the dead body, if you can see in the beginning and the second scene you can see she turned her head around twice
Judy Garland was just looking at her two co-stars, that's all.