Babri Masjid Judgment Travesty Of Justice For Not Giving Secularism Its Due : Justice Nariman
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Impeccable coordination between brain and tongue. Calling spade a spade need guts....outstanding lecture.
Shame on you !! What if someone Destroyed mecca and you waited 550 years to build it back ?? Don’t be a Hindu Hater!
Speculation is not basis for judgements. Judgments are based on evidence.@@SoniSingh-fl8cf
@@SoniSingh-fl8cf India is not hindu rashtra. It's for everyone. Shame on you indian hater
Yeah.. driven out of his country by Jihadis and yet ready to sacrifice Hindus for the sake of secularism 😂. Muslims will like this comment just because they are muslims, no logic under consideration 😂
@@SoniSingh-fl8cfDo you still expect from Muslims to love non Muslims then I think you should go back to KG school to learn ABCD😂
R. F. Nariman is one of the very fewest greatest JURISTS India has ever had. 🎉🎉🎉
Also, Justice Hansraj Khanna ... .the protector.
@prashantkuls Yeah, of course, NOT AN IOTA OF DOUBT ABOUT IT that justice H.R.Khanna is one of the FEWEST. We remember him as ONE and ONLY ONE. 🙏🙏🙏
Information & wisdom not always together, as many judgments overruled
Outstanding lecture by His Lordship
Very scholar, witty and informative lecture by Hon'ble Justice R F Nariman ji. This lecture provides insightful knowledge about the subject matter i.e. Secularism and our constitutional status about it.
First of all, what is secularism? Is it suppressing Hindu rights?. Perhaps the speaker may be thinking that Hindus have only responsibilities, where as muslims have rights only, even after partition of India on religion grounds.
Nariman himself had the opportunity to prevent this 'travesty' when he was serving in the Supreme Court. He had the opportunity to decisively influence the verdict as a member of the bench, but he chose to recuse himself from the hearing. Had Nariman participated in the bench, he could have prevented, called out, or dissented against what he now calls a “travesty”. he chose to recuse himself then and is now speaking against the judgment five years later.
The question is-why did he recuse himself?
It is a convenient ruse. Recuse yourself from hearing and criticizing the judgment delivered! Unfortunately, we had such judges in our supreme court! Postretirement some judges become wise, now it is the turn of this so-called wise man.
Totally misinformation you have given on Mr Honourable Judge RF falinarimon
So scholarly.
Thanks Justice Nariman
I feel overwhelmed.
In our country, not only do we have vast income and wealth disparities, but the disparity in knowledge and wisdom is much greater. Listening to J. Nariman is always a great learning experience. His praise of J. Ahmedi has also motivated me to listen to him.
Words prove insufficient to express emotions.
Great speech and analysis.Deep respect to him. I think if Mr. Nariman would have been in the bench of Babri Mosque case, the verdict would be a different one. As a result, India would be freed from nowadays problems of excavation beneath mosques one after another. After Ayodhya, cases of Kashi Mathura, GyanbapVaranasi, Sambhal, Ajmer, Tajmahal and the list appears endless. The lower courts have been giving verdicts for excavation by ASI etc. The Places of Worship Act,1991 is of no use. Mr. D Y Chandrachud , the CJI at that time did not acted to restrain lower courts to move further.
Nariman himself had the opportunity to prevent this 'travesty' when he was serving in the Supreme Court. He had the opportunity to decisively influence the verdict as a member of the bench, but he chose to recuse himself from the hearing. Had Nariman participated in the bench, he could have prevented, called out, or dissented against what he now calls a “travesty”. he chose to recuse himself then and is now speaking against the judgment five years later.
The question is-why did he recuse himself?
It is a convenient ruse. Recuse yourself from hearing and criticizing the judgment delivered! Unfortunately, we had such judges in our supreme court! Postretirement some judges become wise, now it is the turn of this so-called wise man.
@@narasimhamvakkalanka Where did you get that Mr. Nariman had chosen to recuse himself from hearing? Provide the details in support of your claim.
@@mijanurrahamanmollah9509 up to mediation efforts in 2017 he was there and when it was in favor of one side why he encouraged medication. As a senior judge who served the court 5 years that cannot be thrown out in an ordinary case.
@@narasimhamvakkalanka Irrelevant and not to the point.
ASI report mein saaf hai ki 1528 se lakar 1857 tak aur 1528 se pehle vahan mandir k avshesh hain aur ye judge toh uss report ka zikr bhi nahin kar raha hai.😂
The bigoted Babari verdict is going to haunt this nation until it is corrected or forever.
What they give,will get in return
What an analysis and deep knowledge. Huge respect for you Sir
What a joke...... Btw Parsia was Parsi nation... And today there is no Parsi.. Muslim killled all of them... And coward parsi had taken shelter in India
Thank God, there are some sane voices left even now 🙏
Thankyou very much sir.... You come forward without any fear
The MOST DEFINITIVE answer to the ISSUES, which AIL the country these days.
It is a mediated verdict. Flying beyond wings.
Rohinton Fali Nariman, a retired Supreme Court Justice and Senior Advocate, is a Parsi:
There are many outstanding people from this small minority of India
SO WHAT?
one country, one law, one vote 🗳
9:41 Nariman is wrong in his comments on Babri majifi case. Unfortunately he also worked as Justice. Hence comments on Sumpre court judgment is un acceptable by any Advocate.
Thank you,Sir for an insightful lecture.
Justice should be Justice for all. Not according to Nariman only.
Is that how it was carried out???
In the name Pseudo Secularism, This great judge forgot the persecution of Kashmir pandits ethnic cleansing in the Kashmir, Bengal Riots 1947& 1971 this Constitution mocked the very existence of Son of the Soil, whose culture continuously invaded and persecuted, Being a Parsi shouldn't forgot about the Persecution of Parsis in Persia and lost their very existence, land and remained no where but else in The great India hosted by this great Indian Hindu culture! Very sad to hear thsese words from these so called great Judge!!!
This sereies of lectures should be a part of a Law degree curriculum. A reserch thesis must be written before offering a graduate degree.
Looking at the number of people watching, it seems most of the Indian Law students are not interested in learning anything new or making them to think, prepare and learn by heart beyond the objective questions.
His knowledge of Hindu Laws is clear in his judgment in the case of Uttam Vs Saubhag Singh. Thank god, that utter wrong judgment was overruled by the judgment in Vineeta Sharma case.
Mr. Nariman is degrading our esteemed judiciary. Shame on him
a bigot talking about secularism ... 😂
Lion 🦁 for speaking the truth
The onus of secularism dos not only lay with hindus, islam is inherently not secular. Why should they get what they do not offer to others .
Like morality, secularism exists between two secular people.
Such justice needs to be done with Indian Hindus for all other places that are in court....
Very informative Thank you
But how did the term "secularism" enter into the Constitution when it was not present in the original document?
It was already present inside the constitution in the form of FRs & DPSP .It took place in the preamble in 1976
Totally agree
NOW A DAYS , IT IS SCARCE TO GET SUCH GREAT JUDGES HAVING GREAT HEART WITH SHARP BRAIN. HE IS AN EXCEPTION IN PRESENT SITUATION UNDER BJP RULE. BJP IS RUINING THE NATION IN ALL SPHERES.
The whole problem stems from the provision that individual has the right to propagate his/her religion. This right to propagation of religion is leading to all kinds of clashes. Every individual can have the right to practice his/her religion . There is no problem in this right being exercised. And it is essential for each individual.
Sickularism 😅😂
With Respect......Jali to hai 😂
True Judge of Indian constitution
My wife Mrs KasturiDasgupta
Very bold
Political science Hons
Monetary Diploma
Was school teacher
Good home maker
And honest
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Kashi , mathura will be there ,you all can cry again😂😂
You seem to be living in the stone age and craving for the engraved stones which are prayed like uncivilized people...I have engraved one devil shaped Idol so come and buy to pray to it...
Need more and more temple to be built,so that chinna need to learn how to made pillars on foundation to be erected,😂😂😂😂
Just a useless, shameless and brainless sanghi - just a unnecessary weightage to the world with no use for the country
Worth listening n following in letter n sprite.
Where was the supreme court judges when indira gandhi had added the word secular and socialist in preamble.
Wasn't that a travesty?
I am not saying that secular is a bad word, but what i am saying is that there should be an *indian version of secularism (based on our own civilizational experiences)* bcz indian civilization is very different from the western civilization.
What is happening here is that we are trying to impose *western/christian version of secularism* in our country, and thats why we are seeing a strong pushback. And it will continue until its there.
It is a known fact that this judge is biased against Hindus, in each 1 of his judgement by selectively quoting what left/commis were saying. When he talks about secularism, is he trying to say criminals/law breakers and normal citizens are same, it seems only Hindus must be secular and should allow the illegals to continue occupy any place in Bharath. Worst is that his western obsession can be seen in each of his quoted judgements and the way he tries to talk about other religion in high but by skipping the believes of Hindus is not surprising. For ppl like him Yogi should not be a CM, but he can be a judge of SC, even when his own father was admitting that this man was similarly placed. Irony, Bharath n Hindus have to face not only litigants but even judges with apparent bias.
😆sir there a limit to how much and how many you can hate!!!
Please to not foresake logic,rationale and peace just to stick to a point!!
Somebody speaks the truth of the Ayodhya issue ❤❤
Good analysis...
👍❤️👍
One of the few judges who doesn't seem to care about a retirement plan I guess! lol
justice narimans words ...true
Brilliant and spot on 👍
The land for a masjid is already been given, when there was no need for one. Justice delivered going out of the way like that is injustice and it remains to be corrected in future. That babri will also fall for sure. True justice will be served only then and secularism given it 'due importance'.
With respect, Judge should use simpler language and reduce legalese to communicate to more people.
Liive a life of a lion for a day. Honesty is very powerful, even the weakest of all seems powerful.
Praying for your wellbeing
secular word wasn't in origional constituon ,
its game of congress ,
.....its pain of not getting Post retiral job
Right
So govt can't change constitution?? Yes govt can change the constitution and BJP did the same
🙌🙌
With the sort of unequal and highly skewed birth rates between various groups, secularism is at risk..!
Once upon time mogals ruled India.. later british...now politicians ruling india... when Indians ll rule the India, there ll be possible for good changes..
So whoever the politicians are ruling us are not Indians in your views😂😂
Finally someone called it out...Salute sir...
Great lecture
While treating the words of an ex Judge of the Supreme Court and without offering my comment. Would HMJ Rohinton Nariman be able to throw light on why he recused. Himself from the bench for the Ram Janmabhoomi case. He had a great opportunity to influence the course of the case and he missed it.
All the temples demolished by mughals will be taken back woth supreme court approval or without approval. We have had enough of these hypocrites thinking very high of themselves.
A person who is supposed to be a judge who spoke only of the past is apparently living in some lulu land
Save democracy ✨✨✨✨
Information, wisdom not the same thing 😊
India is secular with communal society. Constution emphasis on secularism but religious communities does not like it.
Secularism is religion of India. Secularism is not against religion.
Tell this to Bangladesh too. It is also Secular, Democratic, Republic.
Falsehood will perish and truth will prevail
Someone has the balls
Well the bro might join congress.
Off course the name of nariman sir elicilts respect for the level of knowledge possessed by him. But his questioning a judgement delivered by mejority of SC banch now is suspecious.
As i recall , those historians (mainly leftists) or others who talked otherwise to the existence of the temple ,failed to prove or even submit a strong case in the hearing before SC.
In such a scenario their utterances r just personal opinions and not tenable in the eyes of law.
I am not a law professional but have been reading/discussing HC/SC case laws on taxation/financial matters while studying for CA. With due respect to SC's stand on this ,I think the places of worship act negates the right of a common man to go to HC/SC and seek justice based on maintenanable evidence on such issues. U can't deny a person his right to file suit/petition on any issue in HC/SC JUST because there might be communal disharmony. Off course the courts can deny and not entertain such petitions if they think it will be right in the delivery of justice. The law must stand on the right side without any fear whatsoever. The past mistakes must be corrected if there is maintainable evidence.
Further even if his personal opinion is taken into account than shaivite/jainist/buddhist iteams were found underneath..this means that the mosque was not there originally. As per him the site can belong to either of jains/Buddhists/shaivaites but rules out it belonging to islam.
The justice must be done ,even if it is delayed , wiithout making the judiciary a prisoner of any fear whatsoever.
Why grate persons shut thier mouth when many temples are destroyed. Why persons talk in plat form attacking Rama temple. Peace should not disturb. Disturbed by non sense soeach. I India has great history. We need not follow other country constitution at alp.
My very best friend Sageer Khan in Mackronia locality in Sagar in Madhya Pradesh 31 years ago Slammed USA and UK as most dangerous countries in the world who add United before their name but always favour division of other countries especially India who hate Hindus most as maximum number of freedom fighters were Hindus and then Shias and lastly Sunnis also! UN said Sageer Khan is pet dog of USA and UK and adds United before their name and still Sageer Khan said I wonder why India wants to become permanent pet dog of USA and UK by becoming permanent member of UN Security Council? Regards and best wishes Sanjeev Sirohi Advocate
54:57 on wards:
Not only reasonable doubts but with malafied criminal intentions, the Babri Masjid verdict was decided and given in favor of ramlalla, who wasn't even an original claiment on the plea.
Travesty of justice in its clear form; criminals got free, a historical monument and a articulate piece of super architectural mosque destroyed, a disputed land of 5 acres given to the mosque trust never to be realized in getting it.
Babri case is for the law history, a permanent black mark on the SCI for ever.
Babri case is a benchmark of indian justice system ok
Now a days this type of justices are very rare...
Mythology overtakes History.
He seems to be so stupid and immature while referring to Akbar The Tyrant as a Secular Leader , and Emporer Ashoka was also never Secular but a Sanatani Leader for Secularism means ' Goverance of Deliverance never connected with Religion ' and Ashoka connected his entire Rule with Buddhism, if Historical Facts are correct as such he was never Secular.
A walking encyclopedia
Ishwar nirakar hai. Make it clear
Highly excellent analysis and view
Babri masjid judgement is the darkest thing that can happen to a democracy like India 😔😔
Wait for waqf and ucc 😅 you will feel darker than this.
I mean come on
You must define the meaning of secularism.
Ram janmsthal samajh kar saare hindu samaaj Babri Masjid sthal ko pujega, kyoki ki is sthal ka pramaan kisi hindu dharmic kitaab mei nahi, lekin ha city ka naam Ayodhya bataya hai lekin sthal nahi. Sthal toh hame politician ne bataya jinko dharm mei pramaan nahi mana jayega. Iska matlab jo hamare dharm se pramanith nahi aur koi bhi manusya ke paas ye authority nahi pramanith karne ka. Iska matlab ham ek fake sthal ko pooj rahe hai, dharm ki manyata mei milawat kar rahe hai.
Chomu ASI check karna
Ye to courts hein jo haz subsidy ko bhi secular act mante hein.
Can we initiate review petition in future?
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No words are enough to appreciate his analysis of facts and law in such a bold way. Full respect to you sir 🙏🙏
Currently about 75 crore in indian subcontinent are converted to islam and to the king of whom the temple was sold before 1947. India was received as it was in 1947.
Just a nepo kid
Thank you, Babri verdict is a blot and shame of India. 😢
What a judicial genius.... R.F.Nariman.
भारत माता की जय...हिंदु धर्म के मौलिक गुण उदारता पर कलंक है अयोध्या मंदिर...सब याद रखा जाएगा ! 👍❤️👍
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Very good lecture on Secularism. But misses one crucial point. He should acknowledge that the dispute of Ram Mandir in India was approached through the formal justice system. Members of no other religion would have approached the Courts at all. And would not have even allowed this knowledgeable lecture.
Nonsense.
@@kalidasswaminathan4341 Just like your existence
Just brilliant! Kudos Jus. Nariman.
Kashi Mathura Baaki hai.
P89
He is a rogue person, knows nothing about what the role of a judge should be
Secularism is not about protecting and promoting lies.
He should say something for corruption in christian and muslim religion.
Anybody entered into any masjid compound samarpanam ya sashtangam its Allha devotion,even ramen puthla be, because musalman waqafed means niyyath ya nercha ya donated to the one and only god Allah almighty,whoever entered and submitted to Allha devotion,the positive angelic energy of masjid and its compound belongs to Allha ,those who entered inside later may becomes musalman..its a fact....
Secularism is everywhere in ashoka to akbar , nali saaf krne wala jhadu se pitunga bhai. Kya comparison kar raha hai. Justice Natwarlal
Sir please enlighten us on how secular the waqf act is also. Your deep insights would surely help.😅
Thank you for your outstanding lecture i can listen him all day ! Hes amazing in everything law ,medieval history ! I wish you had remained a judge in the supreme court for a longer time !
And How Secular is WaQf Board??
As secular as asking poor people to chant JSR then only he gets food
@@Bskshebxksiebc-e8jkhindu rashtra ram janmabhoomi
Waste