I realized Sunny plays the role of the silent protagonist for a reason. That videogame trope is usually used to immerse the player's self into the world. The player experiences the love and support of all the people Sunny cares about, only to be hit with the twist that Sunny, and therefore you, are the reason you tore everyone apart. Even if you didn't have a hand in it, didn't _want_ this, Sunny didn't want this either, his single damning action only being led by a misled outburst. This interpersonal connection with Sunny and the player ultimately plays a hand in the final fight. In what would normally have been the question of "Should the protagonist forgive himself for all the harm he's done?", the question becomes "Would *you* be capable of forgiving yourself were you in same position?" When I realized the answer for me was no, this fight hurt me a lot more terribly.
You can see another good example of this in Streamers' and overall other players' reactions. While they were doing the truth segment, I saw some of them saying "I'm sorry" over ans over again, even if they didn't actually do anything. They never had a choice to push Mari down the stairs, hell that scene wasn't even playable in the game. But they felt such a strong connection to Sunny (even stronger if they named him after themselves) that they projected themselves onto him, and therefore began to feel sorry for actions they didn't even commit
It's so sad to me because I know for certain that if it were anyone else I would forgive them, but if it were me I just couldn't forgive myself, I wouldn't even be able to live with it. I literally had to imagine myself as completely separate from a child me that did it, so I could look at my child self and be capable of forgiving her. Then, the final battle of Omori vs Sunny made even more sense to me.
I just thought of this, and I think I would be incapable of forgiving my own self. Well, not without God. But I think, like Sunny, that would torment my mind forever. But also like Sunny, I would have to get up and face it to survive. Fight or rot. It's what I experience every day. I make the conscious choice to continue battling life so I survive the next day. The cycle continues with me. It's like sprinting as fast as you can to some finish line, but never stopping to rest or even slowing down. I give everything, because it may cost me everything.
I just realized something. Whenever Sunny attacks, the battle narration says, "SUNNY attacked OMORI!", like normal. And when Omori attacks, it's mostly the same. Except for when Omori uses his most damaging attacks in the later phases. Then the narration starts referring to Sunny as just an enemy. "OMORI erases the enemy." Omori doesn't see Sunny as a person, he just sees Sunny as a threat. A monster.
I'd say you're half right. It seems that, because Sunny didn't give himself up to Omori willingly (like in the end of the Hikikomori route), Omori was eventually forced to try and erase Sunny himself. That's why if you lose, Sunny disappears. Omori "erased" him from existence, and took control long enough to jump off the roof of the hospital.
The erasure is a different attack, which does seem to tie in to OMORI just 'erasing' the things he deems harmful in Sunny's head, and also to his control over the hands (also how he trapped Basil with them and killed him to keep the truth hidden)
Everyone’s got their own demons. This masterpiece of a game has something for everyone, someone or something for everyone to relate to and feel close to, and once it finds its way in it rips your heart straight out. No matter what you’ve been through it’ll find a way to draw you in through the cracks in your own psyche and find somewhere to aim the emotional sledgehammer. Which is honestly amazing.
To add onto this I think the game also deals with the theme of the death of the childhood. How no matter how much you cherish the memories you made with your friends as children, one day you will have to move on and start living a fulfilling life. Something that I think a lot of people have gone through at some point or going through right now.
*Kel loved her and you killed her.* _"Friends... Friends are supposed to be there for each other."_ *Aubrey loved her and you killed her.* _"I hope you can find some peace... Or you know... Some happiness."_ *Hero loved her and you killed her.* _"Last time... We made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most. this time... We'll stay together."_ *Basil loved her and you killed her.* _"Maybe one day... Things can go back to the way they were before."_ *She loved you and you killed her.* _"You'll forgive yourself... Won't you... Sunny?"_ *_You loved her and you killed her._* 𝓹𝓵𝓪𝔂
the final boss isn’t humphrey. the final boss isn’t perfectheart. the final boss isn’t SOMETHING. the final boss isn’t basil. the final boss is yourself.
Humphrey can be the last boss you fight in a very specifically set-up Sunny Route with no Kite Kid/Unbread Twins post-headspace shenanigans. You'd have to get one of the "Other" endings, i.e. from not entering Basil's room and instead choosing to go back to bed on One Day Left's night. Humphrey is even quite fitting as a final boss, considering it fills an actually quite similar role to OMORI within the story. He represents swallowing-up emotions, as well as encompassing the charade that is Headspace up nicely. He's a beloved childhood icon, transformed into nothing but an impenetrable wall by the desire to cover up The Truth. Very, very similar to what was going on with OMORI, except much less emotional value due to it being some whale instead of a character you've spent much of the game playing as. TL;DR, Humphrey is discount OMORI if you don't really want to cry during a battle and also if you want more strategy.
An old piano. The word 'Omori' is etched into its surface. Omori is the piano. Black tank top, white boxers with black stripes. He is missing something. He is an empty piano with no player. The ultimate symbol of what Sunny did. Sunny defeats him by playing the Duet. The concept of an empty piano, clashing against the concept of a piano finally being played.
143 likes. If I remember correctly, at some point in the game Mari takes 143 damage, which means “I love you”. Just came to mind when I saw the number again
“you killed MARI. you loved her and you killed her.” I fucking bawled at that line, this song is so powerful and means so much to me. The boss fight was horrifying but sad and heartbreaking once you think about it. Sunny is basically FIGHTING with his trauma and trying to get out of that situation and accept what happened. I feel so bad for him, I hope y’all chose the good ending after this!!
ummmm he kinda fell off the hospital for me.... I didn't do it on purpose I swear I was playing the game and when it said "do you want to continue" I thought it was do you want to take a break or not and I chose no thinking I could pause the game...
OMORI was Sunny's own guilt, how he saw himself in that dreamworld. He didn't see himself worthy of having colors like the others, or having emotions without being forced to, he doesn't want to hurt his friends like he hurt Mari. He sees himself as this empty ghost who carries a knife everywhere, like the killer he thinks he is. He completely isolated himself and hid from the truth putting this empty persona in his dreams. But at that point in the game in the end of the game, when he wakes up in WHITE SPACE and sees OMORI, he realizes that they aren't the same. Sunny is Sunny. OMORI is OMORI. This game meant so much to me, seeing Sunny decide that he should accept the truth and stop running from reality as OMORI in a fictional world in his dream, he hugs himself and accept himself as SUNNY. that whole boss fight was about forgiveness, defeating OMORI was killing that guilt that has been atormenting him for so long, accepting the truth, the harsh reality for him to finally live in peace.
I actually think he deleted all of his emotions in dreamworld because his EMOTIONS are what killed MARI. If he wasn't so angry at MARI he wouldn't have pushed her down the stairs. But life isn't made out of "if"s, is it? But overall, you're totally right
@@j_cs1499 very true. We see the whole thing, he’s been sad, then he gets angry, then he’s afraid, then he’s happy that at least he doesn’t have to do the recital now, then he’s sad when he realises Mari won’t wake up… and then he’s neutral. OMORI.
Omori represented what Sunny wished he could be. He was black and white because he was Mari's piano, the thing that took her attention away from Sunny. He was Aubrey's crush because Sunny had a crush on Aubrey. He would never succumb because Sunny wished he was strong enough to overcome his fears. Omori also represented Sunny's guilt and desire to forget, which is why Omori created headspace on top of black space.
@@veepers DONT YOU DARE i think the combat is one of the highlights of the game! it is brilliant all fights seem earned and requires thought and managment. it is the first rpg that i struggled in fights and thats just fantastic, thay mastered it. you cant just attack blindly.
@@veepers ...What difficulty curve? I didn't think anything was hard, I would just close the game whenever I died, which was probably only 1-3 times before fighting Omori
Finished the good ending last night. This fight will probably haunt me. The things Omori says to you through the battle are hitting like a truck. It's mean and that's how Sunny think about himself deep down in his mind. I totally lost it when Omori said "Hero loved her, and you killed her.", because I totally felt that Mari and Hero were in some kind of a relationship. Fuck this game. I knew something was up but the game's been playing with us the whole time, by letting you play cute sections, funny jokes and sometimes creppy moments. But you were never prepared for this. That is some great storytelling.
Dude the art discusion is dumb af. The definition of art is "a visual and/or audible craft that tries to convey a message or emotion" so, in this case, omori conveys a message. So does among us, so does basically any game. People be like "oh only paintings are art" but anything made with a meaning can be art
"You've caused so much suffering... And yet you do nothing. And so you've earned nothing in return." "Your friends will never forgive you. They'll abandon you like you did them... And that's what you deserve." "You tell yourself you don't want to burden others... But the truth is that you're selfish. You just don't want people to depend on you." "When do you think about others? How long are you going let people take care of you? You say you care but you're a liar. You've never done anything for anyone else. You're useless... Less than useless. You're sick." "People like you don't deserve to live." "Your friends are wrong about you. The person they love isn't you at all. You let them believe in a lie to protect yourself." "You're nothing but a liar... And when they see the truth... They'll hate you as much as you hate yourself." "If they knew the truth, you'll never be able to regain their trust. No matter what you do, it'll be hopeless. All you'll do is make things worse. It'd be better to just die." "It would be better to just die." "You killed MARI. She loved you and you killed her." "HERO loved her and you killed her." "AUBREY loved her and you killed her." "KEL loved her and you killed her." "BASIL loved her and you killed her." "You loved her and you killed her." "You should just die."
something i realized while playing the game: when sunny first appeared, i called him omori, because "it´s basically omori, but in real life". but then i kept playing, and i noticed the differences: sunny´s expression were much more emotional than omori´s, sunny was older, etc... and at the end of the game, when i got to black space and woke up in the real world, i finally recognized sunny as sunny. and that hit especially hard during this fight
you say you found sunny to be more emotional than omori, but omori (like other bosses) can feel tier 3 emotions and sunny can only feel angry, sad and afraid (no tier 2/3, and sunny can’t even feel happiness)
@@Umayrica that's only foreshadowing, since only bosses have 3 tier emotions. when you compare dream basil's album and real basil's album, you can see that even though sunny is kind of shy, he shoes emotions. omori, on the other hand, doesn't
They were 12 years old when they did it. At their age I couldn't keep any of my secrets for more than a week, and I am talking about stealing unimportant things or telling innocent lies, things that I considered to be very bad at that time. I just couldn't avoid telling my parents or my friends about what I did because the anxiety and the feeling of remorse would end up destroying me the more I kept them as secrets, and I am sure that everyone can relate to this. Now, imagine doing something like what Sunny and Basil did to someone so important not only to them, but also to each and everyone they knew and cared about, and keeping it as a secret for *almost 4 years. 4 YEARS!* Just the thought of what these kids must have been through is ripping my soul appart...
I think that's why it hurts even worse when your realize that Sunny basically has shuts out every memory of the truth, and in order to do so he shuts himself physically, mentally, and emotionally and then relies on escapism to escape from any semblance of reality by going into his dreams. He shut himself so bad that he has a different personality in his own dreams with its own personality and role(Omori), that the second a dream character somehow reminds Omori or Sunny about the truth they are sent to the Black Space (Basil), that the Black Space, a realm specifically for holding guilt, dark thoughts or anything that will ruin the happiness of Headspace, exisfs. His escapism is so powerful that he is able to have dream world that is consistent, stays the same all the time, elaborate, complex and isn't forgotten and is there in every dream; Do you know how hard it is to remember your dreams, or how rare for it to be the same in multiple nights, I was actually surprised by how Omori/Sunny was able to remember his quest to save Basil for 3 days. He was so shut in that the only way to get him to understand the truth, is for multiple people to open up his doors again. And even then he still wanted to shut people out because Omori still existed and wanted to kill dream basil and stranger and keep the truth hidden from Sunny.
@@ahorribleterribleperson Anything that threatens to remind Omori of the Truth is seen as a Something, fades away, or disappears in a flash of black as Sunny's repression of the truth kicks in to keep Headspace safe. We learn that even one of Omori's favourite imaginary friends was banished from Headspace - for reasons no one in Headspace can remember. Abbi waits in The Abyss on the OMORI route, and she knows OMORI is the DREAMER. Something I don't see people talking about much is... Capt. Spaceboy is from a comic that Sunny, Kel, and Aubrey all really enjoyed reading together, but I see Spaceboy and Sweetheart as being parallels/amped-up versions of Headspace Omori and Aubrey that play out fantasies of relationships between Sunny and Aubrey, with Sweetheart invariably breaking Spaceboy's heart. Headspace Aubrey has a crush on Omori, while Sunny had a seemingly one-sided crush on Aubrey before everything happened. Sunny also clearly idolized Hero, as Headspace Hero is more or less Mr. Perfect all the time while real Hero is pretty great but flawed. It's also fairly strongly implied that Sunny's Headspace has gone through multiple editions in his around four years of being a shut-in.
"You're nothing but a liar...and when they see the truth...they'll hate you as much as you hate yourself." Damn. Out of all the quotes from the game itself, this one hit me the hardest. This captures a panicked and anxious mind perfectly.
Me too, and I don't even have hidden truths that would make my friends hate me but my brain immediately went "yup, this is definitely true", which kinda scared me.
Its weird, because I know exactly for how long Sunny has been suffering from this trauma and guilt he has. But whenever I listen to this, I just cant help but ask myself… How many days has he spent in this state? How many insults has he thrown at himself? How many nights did he cry himself to sleep? How many nightmares did Sunny have, only to wake up and realize he cant sleep in Mari’s bed anymore? How many times did he consider taking his own life? How many times did Sunny talk or look at his own mother and felt undeserving of her love and affection? How many times did he think about his friends and just think of how much they would hate him if he were to tell the truth? And simultaneously, how many times must he have hated himself for being too afraid to tell people what he did? Sunny was only 12 years old when Mari died, man… 12 years old…
Thats why I think omori is actually very underrated sure a lot of people know it and think its a good game but i dont see a lot of people talk about omori's messagge cause man... these things really happen unfortunatly they happen a lot...
I know exactly what that would be like as someone from something very similar. My best friend left during the the grade on October 14th. I didn't forgive myself until 7 years later. I persisted. It's what he would've wanted and it's more importantly what I wanted.
@@gamingbako5549 As someone that's also trying to find a way to forgive myself for my shortcomings, I'm glad to hear that you finally did it after such a long time. I've also been struggling for 7-8 years (and counting) with that, so I think I can get an idea of just how strong you are inside.
The thing I love about this boss battle is how it's technically impossible to win. You can't completely defeat your demons, and the guilt of what Sunny had done will never disappear. But still, you must continue.
What a succinct way to put it. "Omori *will* not succumb" really emphasizes that. This game helped me accept that I'll never quite move on from my inner demons, but I can learn to live with them.
I’d disagree, the thing that happens is when Sunny hugs Omori, Omori DOES disappear, the game might be giving the message that by confronting your demons they disappear, that is exactly what happens when Sunny wakes up, he tells the truth, and Basil sees something behind him disappear, and Sunny sees Basil’s something disappear
@@tp7033 But this is where you're wrong: OMORI also disappears before that moment, when Sunny goes to sleep on two days left, sleeping with Hero and Kel. However, OMORI appears again at this moment. Edit: this is wrong. The one who disappears at that first moment is Sunny, to let OMORI in.
@@mice2188 Maybe. But Sunny forgave himself so maybe, just maybe his friends could forgive him over time. I dont think they would forgive him either tbf but it could happen.
This game had me going "Hmm I think I'm playing as the bad guy and that's why Basil dissapeared in order to keep the secret," to "oh I'm actually not the bad guy and am just trying to repress bad memories in my imagination," to "Oh. I actually was playing the bad guy. "
@Yess7895 I guess you could say that... but I don't think locking yourself away from the truth is a good thing in any way, so I'd still say Omori is more of an evil side of Sunny
my heart was beating out of my chest right here. i was so afraid of failing- i didn’t want sunny to go back to the cycle of hiding the truth from himself. i didn’t want basil to live in a constant state of paranoia and mania. it breaks my heart that these poor kids went through so much. and believe it or not, shit like what they went through is unbelievably common. this game is so fucking powerful
@Vance Schluter NO BECAUSE THIS COMMENT IS THE FUNNIEST COMMENT THE ENDING SEGMENT OF THE GAME IS JUST A WINDING ROAD OF 'WAIT WHAT THE HELL' AND 'IS THAT THE BAD ENDING?? DID I GET A BAD ENDING'
Kings, if your vessel: - Is black and white - Is the titular character of the game they’re from - Is the final boss on a typical player’s first playthrough - Is known to repress their thoughts and stab themselves - Has a boss theme with emotional violin music that gets progressively more intense as the fight goes on That’s not your vessel, that’s OMORI
When this song begins, it portrays all the emotions Sunny would be feeling at this moment. Shock. Melancholy. Fury. Defiance. Courage. But as the song progresses, OMORI does not succumb. OMORI will not succumb. And we see the emotions that OMORI brings out in Sunny. Pain. Guilt. Confusion. Sheer terror. It overpowers those emotions of courage and defiance. Because despite Sunny’s best efforts, in emotion, music, and battle… OMORI will not succumb.
I think this describes what Omori's trying to do in this fight more than anything else. Omori is basically telling you: You sent Mari to heaven. Now allow me to drag you down to hell.
You remembered kel's words. "Friends... Friends are supposed to be there for each other." You remembered aubrey's wish. "I hope you can find some peace... Or you know... Some happiness." You remembered hero's promise. "Last time... We Made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most. this time... We'll stay together." You remembered basil's hope. "Maybe one day... Things can go back to the way they were before." You remembered mari's request. "You'll forgive yourself... Won't you... Sunny?"
I just realised just how important each and every single one of those are to their respective character. Indeed they each said these things to Sunny, but they have much more meaning. Kel's words relate to how he wasn't there for his friends but during our last three days was able to succeed in being there for all of his friends. Aubrey has struggled with finding peace and happiness wishing she could find it, but she started finding this peace when she made up with her old friends. Hero left all of them and feels guilty for letting everyone split apart and left everyone when they needed each other the most. But he came back and was determined to help bring and keep everyone together. Basil desperately wanted things to go back to the way they were, but even when everyone was together and things COULD go back to how things were, he was much to afraid to let things go back. They were each able to begin the true healing process of what happened 3-4 years ago, so its time for Sunny to begin to truly heal. To do this, Sunny needed to forgive himself, but he couldn't until this final scene.
This game. This fucking game. I would've never thought that it would manage to break me several times while I was playing. The first one was when I decided to go to Basil's house after a while because I wanted to water the flowers and see if I missed something. Seeing his deteriorating house and the amount of detail that was put into the game. That was definitely an experience which I'll never forget. The second one was when everyone forgot about Basil and who he actually was. Especially the time when Kel just threw away his flower crown without any hesitation. I've always sympathised with Basil, so it was extremely hard for me to deal with everyone forgetting someone so important and being the only one remembering him, but I kept going. The third one was fighting Omori. I didn't really think much about what he was saying until I unironically game overed before you're supposed to lose. I restarted and then I decided to actually think about his words. That was me. He said exactly everything what I've been telling myself for the past 4 years (not counting Mari's death, of course), as if my mind was digitized and projected on my monitor. You can make games with hyperrealistic graphics, movement or AI, but for me, this game is the peak of realism. Nothing gets any more real at this point.
This game was how my life was like after my trauma, it was so relatable that I tried so many times during the game to off myself because the game made me think of MY truth
Around 2:07 (and some more after that), you can faintly hear what sounds like a life support machine/heartbeat monitor. Makes sense because of where sunny is in the real world.
If you want a nerdier answer, it's because it's probably one of the most dissonant pieces in the soundtrack yet it's uncomplicated and exposed and the build up is a lot of ambient and non musical sounds. It helps that there's nothing else like it in the soundtrack. Ofcourse it's all written sssooo beautifully. It's great craftsmanship.
This sound always give me chills. A mixture of comfort and discomfort represented by these chords with very tight intervals like AbM7 with the seventh in the bass or Gm and Cm with minor third that create friction in your ears. And over this progression the chord widens from highs to lows in order to create an impression of Grandiose. That's what we have on a small scale. On a larger scale corruption sets in at 2:43 slowly like the feel of guilt. When the beauty becomes ugly. This is the emotion of SUNNY facing his alter ego OMORI. This is the best. Boss battle. I've ever played. But it doesn't stop there.
I think it's great how they get to the "Omori will not succumb". You never get rid of these dark feelings, emotions and past trauma. You have to accept they're part of you to keep going. Definitely the best game I have ever played.
I just finished this game, and all I can say is wow. Holy shit you can literally hear the emotion of Sunny trying to block out all of OMORI's negative comments and distortion as the violin sounds as if its crying. It's also heartbreaking knowing that he played this in fulfillment of his sisters wish to play together, but in turn is honoring her request to forgive himself and move on. OMORI being a true manifestation of Sunny's guilt is just amazing. All of his fears are these big scary monsters that haunt him but the biggest monster and the hardest one to beat, is himself.
Not to be rude or condescending but Omori is, at least in my opinion, not really a manifestation of guilt, he's more of a manifestation of erasing guilt, of separating yourself of other people, of denial, and of escapism. Something is more of a manifestation of guilt, since it is everywhere. It appears especially when guilt is at highest, like during one of the neutral Endings, before it can only follow you in your dreams, but it started to appear in real life, because Sunny is about to move without coming to terms with his guilt and rebonding with basil. I agree with most of the things you said though.
@@ahorribleterribleperson i like how OMORI made me drew fanarts for it, like 5 pieces - pretty weird because of my memory loss but when i break down at every tense moments in the game my head is just telling me "It's been so long my god.", also feels like im not done with it yet because this is my 8th playthrough of it, its too important to leave just yet
@@mysticmemer4887 I tend to think you beat Omori in the same way you beat the fears and Something , by using your mind, rather than blindly attacking the thoughts.
@@collectiusindefinitus6935 You can't "beat" Omori, because he is Sunny's self-hatred. The way you deal with guilt and self-hatred is by accepting that it exists, instead of trying to get rid of it.
I've always been sensitive to violins emotionally. I am a brave teenager. I dont flinch during horror at all. This song makes me cry so hard to the point where its downright unbelievable. omocat wtf
" you loved her, and you killed her" I never thought a single little sentence would give me goosebumps like this. It was totally gross, but honestly, that part was one of the best parts of the game.
In japanese, omori means "weight" which could mean the weight that Sunny had to carry all those years. Ōmori means "large forest", which reminds me of the world that he created to escape from that weight. And in romanian, omori means "to kill", and this is how Sunny saw himself all that time, as a killer
@@sicksocksocksick Well, I don't know about Omori meaning large forest, but he's not wrong about the rest. I have my doubts if they picked Omori because of the "large forest" or it's romanian meaning, but it does make a lot of sense for Sunny's alter ego being a weight for him.
@@tetete8293 Oh, I never read that! When I wrote my comment I didn't meant to say that those were the canonic meanings, but now I know the name comes from Hikikomori, which also makes a lot of sense! It just caught my attention that those other meanings were so similar to things that happen in the game
This fight, and entire ending, is going to stick with me for the rest of my life. I have never experienced anything like this before. I cried, hard, and didn't stop even after the game's credits had finished. And let me preface this by saying that I never cry, even when I want to I don't. Even when I try to let myself cry I can't. It'll start and stop just as fast. I didn't just cry because it was sad, but because a lot of what Omori says to Sunny felt directed at me. That all I do is burden others while doing nothing. That I just make everyone who cares about me take care of me. That I'm worthless, and I've never done anything worth being proud of. The memories that you have as a child of your friends and family that just sort of disappear as you get older. How different your life was then compared to now. How different you are, and neither for the better. It was such a personal experience, and I don't think I'll ever have something like that again. Fuck you for making this game, but also thank you. I can't even begin to describe how much this game has given me. I wish I had the proper words and could articulate it. But just know that this game has changed my life. Good times will be again. Calm down, focus, persist, and overcome.
Yea the whole truth section could e removed an it'd be a masterpiece that perfectly writes guilt and grief. But the creator had to ruin it with creepy pasta tier twists
Before this fight, I was talking to someone else about this cool game, called Omori They asked me if I relate to Omori. I told them no. I told them this was about childhood memories and overcoming phobias, both of which I lacked. I was wrong. That’s just surface level. This was about coming to terms with guilt, with the past. To find peace in acknowledging it, as opposed to destroying yourself with and over it. For some, it may be easy. Simple. Just as. For the vulnerable, it feels and seems like it’s more impossible than it really is.
I can’t say that I relate completely to Omori. I can, at least more than a little. I don’t have something following me. But it’s definitely smaller, yet more numerous than what Sunny has accepted. I am not yet sure if I’ve done so.
this hands down has to be one of the best boss themes I've ever heard. the violin starting out representing sunny, the slow rise into the climax of the fight, the build up, the tension, all just amounting to the fight becoming harder and harder. good stuff
What makes this theme stick out even more after the fact, is a comment from the track before, something like: “He can’t play a duet, but he has to if he’s going to heal.” It sounds as though can hear at least two string instruments throughout this song.
This is, hands down, my favorite boss in the game. The contrast between Sunny and Omori is one of the best parts of this game, especially once the player realizes that they're both different things, and that they shouldn't compare Omori and Sunny as if they're the same person. This fight is overall beautiful. After 4 years worth of stress, depression, and anxiety, Sunny finally has the strength to truly fight his inner demons, by the end, accepting them instead of destroying them. This is one of the best fights in video game history. I rest my case.
OMORI has made life better for me. In July my grandmother passed away from internal bleeding in the head. And omori helped me through connecting with me through the loss of mari. Thank you so much OMOCAT for making a cinematic masterpiece. Hey guys, Tanuki here. Feeling much better, and I always feel her by my side. I will miss her so much, but it's good to know she's in a better place.
again, pedro silva just fucking kills it with making a song that perfectly captures the moment. the violin is the only clear thing you can hear, and the piano notes have a rotting distortion to them, along with the other noise attempting to clutter and drown out the violin. it so perfectly represents sunny's fight with omori. if you see this pedro, thank you so much for being apart of omocat's team. you pushed the exact feelings and ideas in the moments through the music, and really ensured some of the moments as being absolutely phenomenal, especially with this fight
Finally, some comment about the musician themselves. I'm totally amazed by their skill of representing game lore and events as well. A big thank you for all the team for the feelz!
@@doctorstarline5647Him being a shitty person doesn’t make the music any less amazing lol, some of the best musicians are shitty people (kanye west for example)
Omori is way more tragic it hurts its characters in ways I've never seen in fiction the reason why it cuts so deep is that... this is not just violence against children... this is tearing them apart conscious
both represent different things: undertale is a song that plays at the end of your journey, its melancholic, yes, it makes you remember and hold dear the moments you spent in the underground, the people you've spared, those you fought, the ones you met. It makes you feel sad about leaving everything behind, and asking you if exiting the underground is really a great idea, if thats what you really want omori, while also being melancholic, is in a completely different sense. You aren't remembering dear old memories, nor holding them close to you, you are facing your biggest mistake and the cause for your trauma, the murder of your sister, while fighting virtually yourself in an attempt to come to terms with it, that way you can end the cycle of suffering. It doesnt make you feel sad about your journey being over, it makes you feel like shit for killing someone that mattered for everyone close to you and for your innability to say the truth and to stand up against said trauma, with some remembrance to your past actions in the game that foreshadowed what truly happened They both are sad in their own context, but for me, omori is just sadder, since it mixes the "your journey is finally over" feeling with "will the suffering truly be gone? or is this just another futile attempt at it", while in-game you are thrown the heaviest and most tear-inducing imagery and words one can ever hear
Holy fucking shit Omocat, just holy shit... What you did here, with this game, this whole part and the dialogues... It will haunt me forever. I've never been so eager to cry upon a single OST.
That's what led to the bad ending. Sunny's depression-OMORI-forced him to take that final leap off the edge. Only the good ending-the true ending-needs you to fight. Sunny needs to accept his alter ego, he needs to accept OMORI. That-and only that-allows him to face his fear and tell his friends the truth.
@@k_nito7954 Yes you can,it's pretty hard to explain if you didn't have some problems that were directly your fault,like me. I think,you don't literally run away,but instead you fake who you are in reality and you mostly want to stay at the time you actually felt Happy, that's why the game tells you You have to accept and forgive yourself if you want to move on in life
Welp, welcome to reality. if you wanna do something, see it through to the end. Don't run away. And maybe, just maybe, you'll get the chance to finish it all, with a decent end.
what makes this fight all the more mind rending is OMORIs placid never changing expression this song invokes a feeling of sadness; anxiety; and hopelessness all at the same time id expect my enemy to have an expression of atleast contempt but OMORI hes just... a blank slate
Perhaps Omori is in that emotionless state as a coping mechanism for Sunny’s guilt. So Sunny doesn’t have to feel guilt. He doesn’t have to feel anything.
Who says he's your enemy? To him, he's doing what he thinks is best, protecting you from the painful truth. He's here to make sure you don't have to feel anything about that, ever again.
@@Kagira2006 omori and sunny are one in the same. They need each other, as much as they hurt one another. The fact that one is sort of absorbed into the other at the end of the battle shows they can’t escape or defeat each other. They need to accept each other and come together in order to make a decision.
it adds to the hopeless feeling you get when confronting any emotional struggle. no matter how much progress the people around you say you're making, or even howucj progress you feel like you've made, it always seems like your issues - whether it be depression, motivation, anger, (personal past experiences) or in sunny's case guilt - are unaffected. like your energy, thought, effort, blood, sweat, and tears were worth nothing, for nothing. and like the fight itself portrays, it's a crushing feeling unless you can choose to continue. realizing within yourself that it wasn't for nothing and that you are in fact getting better. ive been in therapy for at least 8 years now battling these things, and being the oldest sibling and not having any parental roles I felt I could look up to, I couldnt have that mari reminding me to calm down, to focus, to persist, to overcome. and so the issues I had ate at me. my therapist gave me that advice, and to this day she still does because I still struggle with some of these things. I can't find the motivation to do anything, I don't see worth in my accomplishments, I don't even trust anyone enough to show my face around them. no matter how hard you fight, it feels like the problems are still there, and more often then not it feels like it's your own fault, at least that's what it was like for me. but at the same time, they get better. I remember it being much worse when I was younger, and it's not nearly as bad now. sometimes i, sometimes you, sometimes we just need a reminder of how far we've come and the strength we had to have to get here. that's how I was able to relate to this game and this fight, and that's why I love it so much. not only did this fight remind sunny that things can and will get better if you try, it also reminded me that when I tried, and when I still do with each passing day, it's worth something and it does make progress
[DIALOGUE SPOILERS] "You're useless... less than useless. You're sick." This line from OMORI himself struck me harder than anything else in the entire game. I've been saying stuff like this longer than I can remember in my head, and seeing it laid out in front of me was a truck-sized gut punch, it was as if my own mental battles were being displayed right before my eyes, albeit under a different and more severe context.
Yeah.....and only now i realize that those words will only hide the truth of what you can really do, and what others think of you (I regret that i didnt even realize it the hard way....only now)
theres, something about this line that hits me hard. it delivers it line so powerfully well, and it effectively screams at you with just a few silent words.
i think this has become one of the most unforgettable finales to a game ever for me. just the music, the increasing deep-fry of omori's sprite with increasingly distorted/deep-fried music, the throne of hands behind omori in redspace and knowing that sunny's attempt at eliminating his guilt, his trauma, his depression, will be in vain. it will fight back, and attempt to drown your mind into obscurity. we have to accept that they exist, and move on with our lives.
헤드 스페이스 전투 때 반갑게만 느껴졌던 오모리의 ‘굴복하지 않았다’ 가 우리가 아는 진실이 바뀌면서 써니의 내면적인 절망을 극대화시키는 문구로 전복되는 짜임이 소름 끼쳤음. 7년 간 공들여서 만든 게임이란 이런거구나 싶었고 정말 좋은 게임 고맙습니다 It's goosebumps that "Omori will not succumb” which was welcomed during the Battle of Headspace, is overturned with a phrase that maximizes Sunny's inner despair as the truth we know changes. Thanks to this wonderful game…
me too; i cant even pick one up n attempt to play it again without wanting to cry or break down though this game is making me want to play violin again,, i wonder how sunny would feel about having to pick up a violin again
I stopped playing the violin, a couple of years ago,for various reasons as well. It's still in my house, my old violin and i always wondered if i should pick it up again...
Throughout the growing chaos, the young violinist continues to play, no matter what happens. Everything that has happened these past four years has led up to this moment. No more running from the past. No more hiding from the truth. It's time to put everything to rest.
@kel holy shit it felt for me to, though i didnt play the game (i dint have computer and money in general) i just feel like im feeling miserable even thohgh i couldnt
@kel holy shit it felt for me to, though i didnt play the game (i dint have computer and money in general) i just feel like im feeling miserable even thohgh i couldnt
OMORI really deserves some respect tbh, he was the escape omori needed and even though he did become the greatest enemy he was only that way because of how sunny felt and the omori was willing to end it for him. I realized this when i legit almost bawled when omori falls into sunnys arms as hes defeated or vice versa as they drop theyre weapons
Omori was his coping mechanism. Eventually, he couldn't push his inner demons down anymore, and Omori went from Sunny's best friend to his worst enemy. You can't kill your inner demons. But you might be able to make peace with them.
Spoiler quote She loved you and you killed her. Hero loved her and you killed her. Aubrey loved her and you killed her. Kel loved her and you killed her. Basil loved her and you killed her. YOU loved her and you killed her. This hits soooo hard really. It feels like my heart is clenching or someone squeezing it. Edit: Duude i don't like those edits for thanks but it's my first time 1k likes thank you soooo much i am so happy for my first is from omori.
And after all that’s finished, he keeps saying “You loved her and you killed her,” until you deplete his health bar again. That part hit home for me. That combined with the music made me cry so hard
In this fight, I keep telling myself, "Please don't lose, please don't lose" while desperately using CALM DOWN at 25% HP. This is probably one of my favorite OST in the game.
I have to let you go, this alter ego that I have created, "OMORI" made of everything bad in me, I can't continue with this, that's why I must fight against you
[SPOILER & SUICIDAL IDEATION WARNING.] This song is a masterpiece. The feelings and sounds of desperation, trying to fight back against your own personal demon, the part of you that hates yourself entirely and latches onto every ounce of guilt that builds onto itself year after year, and how it is so *incredibly* difficult to come back from a mental state like this. How it is a literal battle between life and death when you're stuck in a state like this. Depression latches onto every little detail about yourself you dislike, and amplifies it to the point where it becomes a monster, wearing you down over time and making you feel less and less every day. It grips so tightly onto the guilt of past mistakes and it uses that guilt as a weapon. It twists your perception of reality to a point where you're never truly certain what anyone thinks about you, you're never truly certain if the steps you're taking are the right ones, and it *cripples* your ability to truly accept you for who you are. *Fighting against it is hard. It is an uphill battle, and if you are reading this and struggling, please, don't give into it. Don't let it win, don't let it completely envelope you. Fight it.* The wording of "Do you want to continue?" at this sequence is *masterful*. It's a very clever way to talk about how in the end, it's *your* choice to keep going on, to keep getting better, to keep fighting to stay alive and see the ones you love and cherish. If you choose "yes", you remember to find a reason to continue on. The people you love, the things you love doing, the parts of life that keep you at peace. It's even better how OMORI can never truly be defeated in the fight. There is no cure for depression, it's something you just have to accept is there, and it's something you have to live with. Like the static and distortion from this song, it'll get loud, it'll get violent, it'll make it hard to concentrate, but in the end, it's a part of you. And you will have to keep reminding it that you love yourself for who you are, and that you are capable of being forgiven. *If you are struggling with depression, please, don't give up, like I said earlier. I know we probably haven't met and probably might not, but I still love you. It's going to be okay. You will get through this. You'll find a way to be happy. I know you will.*
@@eletgres519 It's much more complicated than that, because depression can have tons of causes. But yeah, there are cures, and the better we understand how the human brain works, the better those cures will become. Therapy is also becoming more and more effective and sophisticated the more we learn. It's just that depression is *hard* to cure, but there are countless researchers in the world working towards it.
The way the song starts off so solemn and just progressively gets more intense, the unfitting instrumentals emerging in the background making your heart sink and feel more uneasy, and when the alternate version starts playing, disrupting you entirely and heightening your anxiety, I remember wanting to cover my ears from the spikes of sound playing, I truly felt like I was in Sunny’s shoes, this track is brilliantly made to reflect what anxiety, sadness, and guilt feels like.
I'll never get over how brilliant this song is - it gets more distorted and harsh the further it goes on, like your own thoughts trying harder and harder to break your resolve. It mirrors how easy it is to say, "Yeah, this time" but then the further you go on, the more weaker you start to become as you're barraged endlessly with your own negativity. It's not a long boss fight, nor a complicated one, but it's a very memorable one.
ive contemplated suicide for many years, and had major anxiety for the past few years due to the decisions i have made that i wish i can take back. Nothing could connect me more than the relationship on Omori, Sunny, and Me, myself. Even though this game has cost me a few nights ( worrying about basil, i connect a lot to him, his anxiety mirrors mine) i have finished the game and i have grown a bit better about how i view myself. There are less nights when i cry myself to sleep and less beatings on myself, though the anxiety never goes away, it has decreased. These battles to overcome fears really do help me with anxiety, and im happy this game came out when i was at the pit of my battle.
Bro I was crying so hard cuz this was like the coolest thing ever bro and because I knew this was the final battle and that the game would be over soon
@@hiroparadise8152 Well the colorfull place (the purple pastel) is imaginary world created by Sunny (omori) from his childhood memories. He is a shut in/hikikomori because *something* and trying to cope with imaginary situation from his childhood.
I understand ya. I have my own imaginary perfect world too... Sometimes I would like to stay there forever but it's necessary to face the reality I think that's the meaning of this game. Just... Face the reality and carry on.
This tune really does stick with me, its slow build pacing creates a feeling of tension but the chords themselves sounds serine, hopeful almost. Right until the background kicks in creating this immediate schism in your ears, the calm serine Violin vs the haunting echos of guilt. And this battle between wills wages on right into "Alter" where the fight becomes frantic; one trying to assert themself over the other. I do not have the words to truly encapsulate how beautiful this piece is
When the little glitchy "Pwooo... TLIIIING-" in the background hits at 02:48, it just. Mwah. I feel like it's such a wonderful description of trying to stifle tears and dark thoughts, but them spilling through the cracks nonethless.
Something about how the loud clattering/screaming comes in during this piece really hits me. It's like Omori's taunting Sunny, replaying the argument Mari and Sunny had leading into her falling down the stairs. Omori is that voice in your head that tells you everything is your fault in multiple horrific ways.
*spoiler* is that why omori wouldn’t succumb? because Sunny didn’t know whether it would be right for him to fight against it? near the end of the game, it would show that Sunny (or Omori?) would give itself the final decision whether to give in to or fight against his alter ego’s decision of committing suicide from his accidental murder of his sister
I love this fight because it's impossible to defeat OMORI. He shows us what sunny feels like inside and he also shows us how powerless sunny is in the face of his trauma. The only way to beat OMORI, your self, is to embrace it and forgive yourself.
This track is so powerful. It starts off with a little violin and as it goes on and the fight gets more intense but also less hopeful, disrupting and disturbing noise plays but the little violin doesn't give in and keeps going, just like you do.
This game made ME feel all the guilt Sunny and Basil had, the feelings that I MYSELF did even tho Im just a person playing a game. This game went beyond with the OST, dialogue, and overall fights and secrets. This game hit deep, and I loved every moment of it. Fighting Omori was definitely nothing short from amazing.
This whole fight had some of the most memorable and reflective lines in the series, throughout the entire fight. It really shows how much everything has weighed down on Sunny and how guilty he feels. It’s so incredibly impactful and it made me really unsettled. “You've caused so much suffering... yet you do nothing.” “And so you've earned nothing in return.” “Your friends will never forgive you.” “They'll abandon you like you did them... and that's what you deserve.” “You tell yourself that you don’t want to burden others…” “But the truth is that you’re selfish, you just don’t want other people to depend on you.” “When do you care about people? How long are you going to let people take care of you?” “You say you care but you’re a liar. You’ve never done anything for anyone else.” “You’re useless… less than that. You’re sick.” “You don’t deserve to live.” “Your friends are wrong about you. The person they love isn’t you at all.” “You let them believe in a lie to protect yourself.” “You’re nothing but a liar… and when they see the truth… They’ll hate you as much as you hate yourself.” “If they know the truth, you'll never be able to regain their trust.” “No matter what you do, it will be hopeless.” “All you'll do is make things worse. It would be better to just die.” “It would be better to just die.” “You killed Mari. She loved you and you killed her.” “Hero loved her and you killed her.” “Aubrey loved her and you killed her.” “Kel loved her and you killed her.” “Basil loved you and you killed her.” “You loved her and you killed her.” “You should just die.” But, despite the guilt Omori is trying so hard to pressure him with, Sunny still tries so hard to see the good in things and motivates himself with what everyone says to help him persevere. Kel: “Friends... Friends are supposed to be there for each other.” Aubrey: “I hope you can find some peace... or you know... some happiness.” Hero: “Last time... We made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most. This time... we'll stay together.” Basil: “Maybe one day... things can go back to the way they were before.” Mari: “You'll forgive yourself... Won't you... Sunny?” For me, this is up there as one of the best final boss sequences I’ve ever gone up against, and final Duet just really seals the deal. This fight was incredible from start to finish, no matter how unnerving it was. Omori… what a beautiful game…
_"OMORI will not succumb"_
Me, using the violin and its bow as blunt weapons: Oh he *will* succumb buddy
Me: Wont succumb?
WELL I GUESS WE GOING DOWN THE STAIRS AGAIN
Omori won't die and fall back?
My violin in his head is gonna crack
Knives and bats may knock me back but music will be your downfall.
@@alexcollins9954 so why not use _both?_
Play a tune and then home run his ass with the violin
@@deeznuts-kw6yv You. I like you.
“They’ll hate you as much as you hate yourself.”
jokes on you I have so much hate of myself that I make fictional characters to distribute it to.
@@thefirstone1565 eyyyy
@@thefirstone1565
Ayyyyyy
@@thefirstone1565 Bbeeeee
@@thefirstone1565 BIG BRAIN MOMENT
I realized Sunny plays the role of the silent protagonist for a reason. That videogame trope is usually used to immerse the player's self into the world. The player experiences the love and support of all the people Sunny cares about, only to be hit with the twist that Sunny, and therefore you, are the reason you tore everyone apart. Even if you didn't have a hand in it, didn't _want_ this, Sunny didn't want this either, his single damning action only being led by a misled outburst. This interpersonal connection with Sunny and the player ultimately plays a hand in the final fight. In what would normally have been the question of "Should the protagonist forgive himself for all the harm he's done?", the question becomes "Would *you* be capable of forgiving yourself were you in same position?"
When I realized the answer for me was no, this fight hurt me a lot more terribly.
You can see another good example of this in Streamers' and overall other players' reactions. While they were doing the truth segment, I saw some of them saying "I'm sorry" over ans over again, even if they didn't actually do anything. They never had a choice to push Mari down the stairs, hell that scene wasn't even playable in the game. But they felt such a strong connection to Sunny (even stronger if they named him after themselves) that they projected themselves onto him, and therefore began to feel sorry for actions they didn't even commit
@@ZAPPERZ_same, for me after I beat the game I hate talking to Mari because I always feel really bad, and I also repeatedly said 'I'm sorry'
It's so sad to me because I know for certain that if it were anyone else I would forgive them, but if it were me I just couldn't forgive myself, I wouldn't even be able to live with it. I literally had to imagine myself as completely separate from a child me that did it, so I could look at my child self and be capable of forgiving her. Then, the final battle of Omori vs Sunny made even more sense to me.
I just thought of this, and I think I would be incapable of forgiving my own self. Well, not without God.
But I think, like Sunny, that would torment my mind forever. But also like Sunny, I would have to get up and face it to survive. Fight or rot. It's what I experience every day. I make the conscious choice to continue battling life so I survive the next day. The cycle continues with me. It's like sprinting as fast as you can to some finish line, but never stopping to rest or even slowing down. I give everything, because it may cost me everything.
I just realized something. Whenever Sunny attacks, the battle narration says, "SUNNY attacked OMORI!", like normal. And when Omori attacks, it's mostly the same.
Except for when Omori uses his most damaging attacks in the later phases. Then the narration starts referring to Sunny as just an enemy. "OMORI erases the enemy." Omori doesn't see Sunny as a person, he just sees Sunny as a threat. A monster.
Wow, I didn't realize that before!!
OH YOU DIDTN
I'd say you're half right. It seems that, because Sunny didn't give himself up to Omori willingly (like in the end of the Hikikomori route), Omori was eventually forced to try and erase Sunny himself. That's why if you lose, Sunny disappears. Omori "erased" him from existence, and took control long enough to jump off the roof of the hospital.
The erasure is a different attack, which does seem to tie in to OMORI just 'erasing' the things he deems harmful in Sunny's head, and also to his control over the hands (also how he trapped Basil with them and killed him to keep the truth hidden)
"SUNNY... it looks like another enemy.
Should I erase them?"
I feel like this game really managed to hit like, a universal trauma.
@Paloma Rivera yeah absolutely, and also i think it also touched a lot of people with its themes of healing from anxiety, depression, guilt, and loss.
Everyone’s got their own demons. This masterpiece of a game has something for everyone, someone or something for everyone to relate to and feel close to, and once it finds its way in it rips your heart straight out. No matter what you’ve been through it’ll find a way to draw you in through the cracks in your own psyche and find somewhere to aim the emotional sledgehammer. Which is honestly amazing.
@@spetsnatzlegion3366 i couldn't have said it better lol
@Paloma Rivera thanatophobia moment
To add onto this I think the game also deals with the theme of the death of the childhood. How no matter how much you cherish the memories you made with your friends as children, one day you will have to move on and start living a fulfilling life. Something that I think a lot of people have gone through at some point or going through right now.
OMORI did not succumb.
OMORI did not succumb.
OMORI did not succumb.
OMORI will not succumb.
Extremely relatable, unfortunately.
it was at this moment when he knew, he f***** up
SUNNY also refused to succumb when he was finally beaten, showing OMORI that he wouldn't give up either.
"But it refu..."
Nevermind...
@@nullnikola6002 I see what you tried to do there, stopped right on time
*Kel loved her and you killed her.*
_"Friends... Friends are supposed to be there for each other."_
*Aubrey loved her and you killed her.*
_"I hope you can find some peace... Or you know... Some happiness."_
*Hero loved her and you killed her.*
_"Last time... We made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most. this time... We'll stay together."_
*Basil loved her and you killed her.*
_"Maybe one day... Things can go back to the way they were before."_
*She loved you and you killed her.*
_"You'll forgive yourself... Won't you... Sunny?"_
*_You loved her and you killed her._*
𝓹𝓵𝓪𝔂
This right here is the reason I love Omori so much.
@@thatonecabridog Ayo the pizza here
GAME OVER
"Do you want to continue?"
No 👉Yes
... *who is "her"?*
@@keishacamille9101 spoilers
the final boss isn’t humphrey.
the final boss isn’t perfectheart.
the final boss isn’t SOMETHING.
the final boss isn’t basil.
the final boss is yourself.
it would be kinda hilarious if you beat humphrey and then the credits just start playing out of nowhere
Humphrey can be the last boss you fight in a very specifically set-up Sunny Route with no Kite Kid/Unbread Twins post-headspace shenanigans. You'd have to get one of the "Other" endings, i.e. from not entering Basil's room and instead choosing to go back to bed on One Day Left's night. Humphrey is even quite fitting as a final boss, considering it fills an actually quite similar role to OMORI within the story. He represents swallowing-up emotions, as well as encompassing the charade that is Headspace up nicely. He's a beloved childhood icon, transformed into nothing but an impenetrable wall by the desire to cover up The Truth. Very, very similar to what was going on with OMORI, except much less emotional value due to it being some whale instead of a character you've spent much of the game playing as. TL;DR, Humphrey is discount OMORI if you don't really want to cry during a battle and also if you want more strategy.
This comment will forever be stuck inside my head
JARED hits OMORI with the violin
IT HIT RIGHT IN THE HEART!
Makes sense. Humans are, their own worst enemy. There's no denying that.
this piece is so uncomfortably comforting.
Bro.
lol just like omori
I guess comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable?
@@cococoffee2305 that describes it perfectly honestly
I think the word is Cathartic
An old piano. The word 'Omori' is etched into its surface.
Omori is the piano. Black tank top, white boxers with black stripes. He is missing something. He is an empty piano with no player. The ultimate symbol of what Sunny did.
Sunny defeats him by playing the Duet. The concept of an empty piano, clashing against the concept of a piano finally being played.
wow..... incredible illustration
143 likes. If I remember correctly, at some point in the game Mari takes 143 damage, which means “I love you”. Just came to mind when I saw the number again
how did i not realise that piano omori thing
not to break the sad mood but.....
if you were to punch omori.....
would he go
bo ba baa bingggg booonn amnahsuhsiw
@@thelightbulb6657 *Piano noises*
“you killed MARI. you loved her and you killed her.”
I fucking bawled at that line, this song is so powerful and means so much to me. The boss fight was horrifying but sad and heartbreaking once you think about it.
Sunny is basically FIGHTING with his trauma and trying to get out of that situation and accept what happened. I feel so bad for him, I hope y’all chose the good ending after this!!
ummmm he kinda fell off the hospital for me....
I didn't do it on purpose I swear I was playing the game and when it said "do you want to continue" I thought it was do you want to take a break or not and I chose no thinking I could pause the game...
@@cloverkalimba3368
he WHAT
@@EEEEEEE36364 sunny jumped off the hospital and my time played
@@cloverkalimba3368
No yeah I know that I was just saying that like “oh shit”
@@EEEEEEE36364 ahhh sorry 😅
OMORI was Sunny's own guilt, how he saw himself in that dreamworld. He didn't see himself worthy of having colors like the others, or having emotions without being forced to, he doesn't want to hurt his friends like he hurt Mari. He sees himself as this empty ghost who carries a knife everywhere, like the killer he thinks he is.
He completely isolated himself and hid from the truth putting this empty persona in his dreams.
But at that point in the game in the end of the game, when he wakes up in WHITE SPACE and sees OMORI, he realizes that they aren't the same. Sunny is Sunny. OMORI is OMORI.
This game meant so much to me, seeing Sunny decide that he should accept the truth and stop running from reality as OMORI in a fictional world in his dream, he hugs himself and accept himself as SUNNY.
that whole boss fight was about forgiveness, defeating OMORI was killing that guilt that has been atormenting him for so long, accepting the truth, the harsh reality for him to finally live in peace.
Wow.
I actually think he deleted all of his emotions in dreamworld because his EMOTIONS are what killed MARI. If he wasn't so angry at MARI he wouldn't have pushed her down the stairs. But life isn't made out of "if"s, is it?
But overall, you're totally right
@@j_cs1499 very true. We see the whole thing, he’s been sad, then he gets angry, then he’s afraid, then he’s happy that at least he doesn’t have to do the recital now, then he’s sad when he realises Mari won’t wake up… and then he’s neutral. OMORI.
Theorizer: SOMETHING is SUNNY's guilt manifestation
Also Theorizer: OMORI is SUNNY's guilt manifestation
Omori represented what Sunny wished he could be. He was black and white because he was Mari's piano, the thing that took her attention away from Sunny. He was Aubrey's crush because Sunny had a crush on Aubrey. He would never succumb because Sunny wished he was strong enough to overcome his fears.
Omori also represented Sunny's guilt and desire to forget, which is why Omori created headspace on top of black space.
I would always close the game every time I got a game over
Imagine how dumb I felt when you're SUPPOSED to get one
SAMEEEEEE I literraly wrote a negative steam review about the difficulty curve. Spent multiple hours
@@veepers DONT YOU DARE i think the combat is one of the highlights of the game! it is brilliant all fights seem earned and requires thought and managment. it is the first rpg that i struggled in fights and thats just fantastic, thay mastered it. you cant just attack blindly.
@@veepers sir, here is your clown mask
@@veepers oof
@@veepers ...What difficulty curve? I didn't think anything was hard, I would just close the game whenever I died, which was probably only 1-3 times before fighting Omori
Finished the good ending last night. This fight will probably haunt me. The things Omori says to you through the battle are hitting like a truck. It's mean and that's how Sunny think about himself deep down in his mind.
I totally lost it when Omori said "Hero loved her, and you killed her.", because I totally felt that Mari and Hero were in some kind of a relationship.
Fuck this game. I knew something was up but the game's been playing with us the whole time, by letting you play cute sections, funny jokes and sometimes creppy moments. But you were never prepared for this.
That is some great storytelling.
@@MrCrowhaven Have a virtual hug! :)
The whole "fight" is depressing anyway.
Your profile picture looked like Something when I scrolled down, so I had a mini heart attack. Music in the background didn't help much :/
@@Michijoy Lmao, sorry about that!
I agreed with your commentary
"fuck this game. that's some great storytelling."
i feel 100% obligated to agree with that
Omori is proof that video games can be art
Cheers I’ll drink to that bro
Red dead redemption 2 and undertale too
Dude the art discusion is dumb af. The definition of art is "a visual and/or audible craft that tries to convey a message or emotion" so, in this case, omori conveys a message. So does among us, so does basically any game. People be like "oh only paintings are art" but anything made with a meaning can be art
@@CapybaraLord75 how does among us convey a message or emotion?
@@dontsubtome9769 honestly I have no idea why I put It as an example lmao. In that moment I had an idea but now im clueless
"You've caused so much suffering... And yet you do nothing. And so you've earned nothing in return."
"Your friends will never forgive you. They'll abandon you like you did them... And that's what you deserve."
"You tell yourself you don't want to burden others... But the truth is that you're selfish. You just don't want people to depend on you."
"When do you think about others? How long are you going let people take care of you? You say you care but you're a liar. You've never done anything for anyone else. You're useless... Less than useless. You're sick."
"People like you don't deserve to live."
"Your friends are wrong about you. The person they love isn't you at all. You let them believe in a lie to protect yourself."
"You're nothing but a liar... And when they see the truth... They'll hate you as much as you hate yourself."
"If they knew the truth, you'll never be able to regain their trust. No matter what you do, it'll be hopeless. All you'll do is make things worse. It'd be better to just die."
"It would be better to just die."
"You killed MARI. She loved you and you killed her."
"HERO loved her and you killed her."
"AUBREY loved her and you killed her."
"KEL loved her and you killed her."
"BASIL loved her and you killed her."
"You loved her and you killed her."
"You should just die."
"no u"
Sunny: “Haha violin go brrrrrrrr”
uno reverse card
@@crownviking4408 More like
"Haha violin go NIIIAAAWWWNNNNNN"
"That's a nice argument. Unfortunately, your sister"
something i realized while playing the game: when sunny first appeared, i called him omori, because "it´s basically omori, but in real life". but then i kept playing, and i noticed the differences: sunny´s expression were much more emotional than omori´s, sunny was older, etc... and at the end of the game, when i got to black space and woke up in the real world, i finally recognized sunny as sunny. and that hit especially hard during this fight
you can’t name sunny omori though
@@ortherner ya but tey seid "calling" not "naming"
@@yh0o ok
you say you found sunny to be more emotional than omori, but omori (like other bosses) can feel tier 3 emotions and sunny can only feel angry, sad and afraid (no tier 2/3, and sunny can’t even feel happiness)
@@Umayrica that's only foreshadowing, since only bosses have 3 tier emotions. when you compare dream basil's album and real basil's album, you can see that even though sunny is kind of shy, he shoes emotions. omori, on the other hand, doesn't
They were 12 years old when they did it. At their age I couldn't keep any of my secrets for more than a week, and I am talking about stealing unimportant things or telling innocent lies, things that I considered to be very bad at that time. I just couldn't avoid telling my parents or my friends about what I did because the anxiety and the feeling of remorse would end up destroying me the more I kept them as secrets, and I am sure that everyone can relate to this.
Now, imagine doing something like what Sunny and Basil did to someone so important not only to them, but also to each and everyone they knew and cared about, and keeping it as a secret for *almost 4 years. 4 YEARS!* Just the thought of what these kids must have been through is ripping my soul appart...
wow
actually amazed they could hide it for that long
I think that's why it hurts even worse when your realize that Sunny basically has shuts out every memory of the truth, and in order to do so he shuts himself physically, mentally, and emotionally and then relies on escapism to escape from any semblance of reality by going into his dreams. He shut himself so bad that he has a different personality in his own dreams with its own personality and role(Omori), that the second a dream character somehow reminds Omori or Sunny about the truth they are sent to the Black Space (Basil), that the Black Space, a realm specifically for holding guilt, dark thoughts or anything that will ruin the happiness of Headspace, exisfs. His escapism is so powerful that he is able to have dream world that is consistent, stays the same all the time, elaborate, complex and isn't forgotten and is there in every dream; Do you know how hard it is to remember your dreams, or how rare for it to be the same in multiple nights, I was actually surprised by how Omori/Sunny was able to remember his quest to save Basil for 3 days. He was so shut in that the only way to get him to understand the truth, is for multiple people to open up his doors again. And even then he still wanted to shut people out because Omori still existed and wanted to kill dream basil and stranger and keep the truth hidden from Sunny.
@@ahorribleterribleperson Anything that threatens to remind Omori of the Truth is seen as a Something, fades away, or disappears in a flash of black as Sunny's repression of the truth kicks in to keep Headspace safe. We learn that even one of Omori's favourite imaginary friends was banished from Headspace - for reasons no one in Headspace can remember. Abbi waits in The Abyss on the OMORI route, and she knows OMORI is the DREAMER.
Something I don't see people talking about much is... Capt. Spaceboy is from a comic that Sunny, Kel, and Aubrey all really enjoyed reading together, but I see Spaceboy and Sweetheart as being parallels/amped-up versions of Headspace Omori and Aubrey that play out fantasies of relationships between Sunny and Aubrey, with Sweetheart invariably breaking Spaceboy's heart. Headspace Aubrey has a crush on Omori, while Sunny had a seemingly one-sided crush on Aubrey before everything happened. Sunny also clearly idolized Hero, as Headspace Hero is more or less Mr. Perfect all the time while real Hero is pretty great but flawed.
It's also fairly strongly implied that Sunny's Headspace has gone through multiple editions in his around four years of being a shut-in.
My boys Sunny and Basil totally need therapy.
"You're nothing but a liar...and when they see the truth...they'll hate you as much as you hate yourself."
Damn. Out of all the quotes from the game itself, this one hit me the hardest.
This captures a panicked and anxious mind perfectly.
Me too, and I don't even have hidden truths that would make my friends hate me but my brain immediately went "yup, this is definitely true", which kinda scared me.
This is definitely at least up there with “YOU’RE THE WRONG COLOR!”
Omori gets so tired what he attacks the player instead of protagonist.
Its weird, because I know exactly for how long Sunny has been suffering from this trauma and guilt he has. But whenever I listen to this, I just cant help but ask myself…
How many days has he spent in this state?
How many insults has he thrown at himself?
How many nights did he cry himself to sleep?
How many nightmares did Sunny have, only to wake up and realize he cant sleep in Mari’s bed anymore?
How many times did he consider taking his own life?
How many times did Sunny talk or look at his own mother and felt undeserving of her love and affection?
How many times did he think about his friends and just think of how much they would hate him if he were to tell the truth? And simultaneously, how many times must he have hated himself for being too afraid to tell people what he did?
Sunny was only 12 years old when Mari died, man… 12 years old…
Thats why I think omori is actually very underrated sure a lot of people know it and think its a good game but i dont see a lot of people talk about omori's messagge cause man... these things really happen unfortunatly they happen a lot...
*The likes..*
I know exactly what that would be like as someone from something very similar. My best friend left during the the grade on October 14th. I didn't forgive myself until 7 years later. I persisted. It's what he would've wanted and it's more importantly what I wanted.
@@gamingbako5549 As someone that's also trying to find a way to forgive myself for my shortcomings, I'm glad to hear that you finally did it after such a long time. I've also been struggling for 7-8 years (and counting) with that, so I think I can get an idea of just how strong you are inside.
The thing I love about this boss battle is how it's technically impossible to win. You can't completely defeat your demons, and the guilt of what Sunny had done will never disappear. But still, you must continue.
What a succinct way to put it. "Omori *will* not succumb" really emphasizes that. This game helped me accept that I'll never quite move on from my inner demons, but I can learn to live with them.
I’d disagree, the thing that happens is when Sunny hugs Omori, Omori DOES disappear, the game might be giving the message that by confronting your demons they disappear, that is exactly what happens when Sunny wakes up, he tells the truth, and Basil sees something behind him disappear, and Sunny sees Basil’s something disappear
But Sunny does beat Omori and omori does disappear...
@@tp7033 But this is where you're wrong: OMORI also disappears before that moment, when Sunny goes to sleep on two days left, sleeping with Hero and Kel. However, OMORI appears again at this moment.
Edit: this is wrong. The one who disappears at that first moment is Sunny, to let OMORI in.
I won't say dissappear, they just become one again.
CHERISH. You remember Mari's request...
"Omori promise me.... that you'll forgive yourself."
*_"You loved her, and you killed her"_*
And yet we did't give up. We fought through it. We forgave ourselves.
@@cadoo tbf i don't think Sunny's friends would ever forgive him
@@mice2188 that's what something was trying to tell him but dream basil says to put hope into them that they will forgive
@@mice2188 Maybe. But Sunny forgave himself so maybe, just maybe his friends could forgive him over time. I dont think they would forgive him either tbf but it could happen.
This game had me going "Hmm I think I'm playing as the bad guy and that's why Basil dissapeared in order to keep the secret," to "oh I'm actually not the bad guy and am just trying to repress bad memories in my imagination," to "Oh. I actually was playing the bad guy. "
Lol
i guess but calling Sunny the bad guy would completely miss the point of the game’s message
Omori is the bad guy, that coping mechanism is why I hid for 4 years.
@@thiefkingparsley576 they meant Omori, not Sunny.
@Yess7895 I guess you could say that... but I don't think locking yourself away from the truth is a good thing in any way, so I'd still say Omori is more of an evil side of Sunny
Just remember,
Sunny brought a violin to a knife fight and proceeded to win.
LOL
Don't mess with us Omori fans.
We WILL break down crying from the sound of a violin.
don’t mess with us outer wilds fans
we will also break down crying except from a banjo instead
I'm an orchestra student and an omori fan.. I'm screwed lmao
@@French_Revolutionist i pray for your sanity
@@ICNHH thank you
Don't mess with us dark souls fans we will also break down crying from a simple plin plin plon
my heart was beating out of my chest right here. i was so afraid of failing- i didn’t want sunny to go back to the cycle of hiding the truth from himself. i didn’t want basil to live in a constant state of paranoia and mania. it breaks my heart that these poor kids went through so much. and believe it or not, shit like what they went through is unbelievably common. this game is so fucking powerful
@Vance Schluter NO BECAUSE THIS COMMENT IS THE FUNNIEST COMMENT THE ENDING SEGMENT OF THE GAME IS JUST A WINDING ROAD OF 'WAIT WHAT THE HELL' AND 'IS THAT THE BAD ENDING?? DID I GET A BAD ENDING'
SPEAKING OF ROADS, ITS BASSICALLY DRUNK ARCHITECTS AND ALSO WHY ARE WE SPEAKING IN HIGH CAPS
>unbelievably common
so kids accidentally murder their sibling and have to fake their death all the time?
no one care :(
@@Nobynoby2763 no one care... about what?
is it my mother?
Kings, if your vessel:
- Is black and white
- Is the titular character of the game they’re from
- Is the final boss on a typical player’s first playthrough
- Is known to repress their thoughts and stab themselves
- Has a boss theme with emotional violin music that gets progressively more intense as the fight goes on
That’s not your vessel, that’s OMORI
The hollow knight be like:
One of them requires you to enter their Headspace, while the other lives rent-free in yours
and I have it, should I be scared?
Suddenly hollow knight
Ayo i never expected a hollow knight comment here
When this song begins, it portrays all the emotions Sunny would be feeling at this moment.
Shock. Melancholy. Fury. Defiance. Courage.
But as the song progresses, OMORI does not succumb.
OMORI will not succumb.
And we see the emotions that OMORI brings out in Sunny.
Pain. Guilt. Confusion. Sheer terror.
It overpowers those emotions of courage and defiance.
Because despite Sunny’s best efforts, in emotion, music, and battle…
OMORI will not succumb.
omori trying to drag sunny down hell's gates, god damn
god damn
Sunny thinks that they belong there so
mom not again!
I think this describes what Omori's trying to do in this fight more than anything else.
Omori is basically telling you: You sent Mari to heaven. Now allow me to drag you down to hell.
Unfortunately violin
You remembered kel's words.
"Friends... Friends are supposed to be there for each other."
You remembered aubrey's wish.
"I hope you can find some peace... Or you know... Some happiness."
You remembered hero's promise.
"Last time... We Made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most. this time... We'll stay together."
You remembered basil's hope.
"Maybe one day... Things can go back to the way they were before."
You remembered mari's request.
"You'll forgive yourself... Won't you... Sunny?"
I just realised just how important each and every single one of those are to their respective character. Indeed they each said these things to Sunny, but they have much more meaning.
Kel's words relate to how he wasn't there for his friends but during our last three days was able to succeed in being there for all of his friends.
Aubrey has struggled with finding peace and happiness wishing she could find it, but she started finding this peace when she made up with her old friends.
Hero left all of them and feels guilty for letting everyone split apart and left everyone when they needed each other the most. But he came back and was determined to help bring and keep everyone together.
Basil desperately wanted things to go back to the way they were, but even when everyone was together and things COULD go back to how things were, he was much to afraid to let things go back.
They were each able to begin the true healing process of what happened 3-4 years ago, so its time for Sunny to begin to truly heal. To do this, Sunny needed to forgive himself, but he couldn't until this final scene.
You remembered Basil's word
"Sunny... Don't worry... Everything is going to be okay"
You remembered pluto’s muscles.
“When I flex, I feel my BEEEEEEEEEST!”
3rd time i cried during this game
"All waiting for the one, to find a way back home."
This game. This fucking game. I would've never thought that it would manage to break me several times while I was playing.
The first one was when I decided to go to Basil's house after a while because I wanted to water the flowers and see if I missed something. Seeing his deteriorating house and the amount of detail that was put into the game. That was definitely an experience which I'll never forget.
The second one was when everyone forgot about Basil and who he actually was. Especially the time when Kel just threw away his flower crown without any hesitation. I've always sympathised with Basil, so it was extremely hard for me to deal with everyone forgetting someone so important and being the only one remembering him, but I kept going.
The third one was fighting Omori. I didn't really think much about what he was saying until I unironically game overed before you're supposed to lose. I restarted and then I decided to actually think about his words. That was me. He said exactly everything what I've been telling myself for the past 4 years (not counting Mari's death, of course), as if my mind was digitized and projected on my monitor. You can make games with hyperrealistic graphics, movement or AI, but for me, this game is the peak of realism. Nothing gets any more real at this point.
man i can imagine some gmod realism normies coming here to talk about that last sentence with a terrible intention
This game was how my life was like after my trauma, it was so relatable that I tried so many times during the game to off myself because the game made me think of MY truth
Well, OMOCAT did find the right path to strike at everyone's hearts..
*Omori will not succumb*
I love how this simple sentence feels so heavy
That sentence just made me give up
Around 2:07 (and some more after that), you can faintly hear what sounds like a life support machine/heartbeat monitor. Makes sense because of where sunny is in the real world.
😲Pog
well what about the other noises?
@@rico25809Distortion, the sound of Omori. trying to fight back
Omoris trying to drown out the violin and win.
My favorite piece in the game. Why does it hit SO HARD ?
IT REALLY DO!
Because the song is good, simply. 😁
Cause it is, even if you don't play the game, the feeling is there
If you want a nerdier answer, it's because it's probably one of the most dissonant pieces in the soundtrack yet it's uncomplicated and exposed and the build up is a lot of ambient and non musical sounds. It helps that there's nothing else like it in the soundtrack.
Ofcourse it's all written sssooo beautifully. It's great craftsmanship.
@@ArturKorotin I agree, "My Time" is also a really dissonant song from the whole soundtrack. By the way you are a really good violonist. 😁
This sound always give me chills.
A mixture of comfort and discomfort represented by these chords with very tight intervals like AbM7 with the seventh in the bass or Gm and Cm with minor third that create friction in your ears.
And over this progression the chord widens from highs to lows in order to create an impression of Grandiose.
That's what we have on a small scale. On a larger scale corruption sets in at 2:43 slowly like the feel of guilt. When the beauty becomes ugly. This is the emotion of SUNNY facing his alter ego OMORI.
This is the best.
Boss battle.
I've ever played.
But it doesn't stop there.
Easily the most emotional boss fight and boss theme ive ever played. nothing even comes close.
Unironically one of the best final boss themes in gaming history
I think it's great how they get to the "Omori will not succumb". You never get rid of these dark feelings, emotions and past trauma. You have to accept they're part of you to keep going. Definitely the best game I have ever played.
Exactly. And how omori did not succumb went from something that you liked to see and liked that it was there, to something that you hate.
I just finished this game, and all I can say is wow. Holy shit you can literally hear the emotion of Sunny trying to block out all of OMORI's negative comments and distortion as the violin sounds as if its crying. It's also heartbreaking knowing that he played this in fulfillment of his sisters wish to play together, but in turn is honoring her request to forgive himself and move on.
OMORI being a true manifestation of Sunny's guilt is just amazing. All of his fears are these big scary monsters that haunt him but the biggest monster and the hardest one to beat, is himself.
Not to be rude or condescending but Omori is, at least in my opinion, not really a manifestation of guilt, he's more of a manifestation of erasing guilt, of separating yourself of other people, of denial, and of escapism. Something is more of a manifestation of guilt, since it is everywhere. It appears especially when guilt is at highest, like during one of the neutral Endings, before it can only follow you in your dreams, but it started to appear in real life, because Sunny is about to move without coming to terms with his guilt and rebonding with basil.
I agree with most of the things you said though.
@@ahorribleterribleperson i like how OMORI made me drew fanarts for it, like 5 pieces - pretty weird because of my memory loss but when i break down at every tense moments in the game my head is just telling me "It's been so long my god.", also feels like im not done with it yet because this is my 8th playthrough of it, its too important to leave just yet
You don't even actually "beat" Omori, he surrenders himself.
@@mysticmemer4887
I tend to think you beat Omori in the same way you beat the fears and Something , by using your mind, rather than blindly attacking the thoughts.
@@collectiusindefinitus6935 You can't "beat" Omori, because he is Sunny's self-hatred. The way you deal with guilt and self-hatred is by accepting that it exists, instead of trying to get rid of it.
I've always been sensitive to violins emotionally.
I am a brave teenager. I dont flinch during horror at all.
This song makes me cry so hard to the point where its downright unbelievable.
omocat wtf
OMOCAT has successfully struck everyone's heart, even my somewhat emotionless self.
I honest to Jesus have not cried since I was 8 and this game opened the floodgates of my eyeballs multiple times
" you loved her, and you killed her" I never thought a single little sentence would give me goosebumps like this. It was totally gross, but honestly, that part was one of the best parts of the game.
In japanese, omori means "weight" which could mean the weight that Sunny had to carry all those years. Ōmori means "large forest", which reminds me of the world that he created to escape from that weight. And in romanian, omori means "to kill", and this is how Sunny saw himself all that time, as a killer
thats absolutely genius of the creators if this was all their intention
@@sicksocksocksick Well, I don't know about Omori meaning large forest, but he's not wrong about the rest. I have my doubts if they picked Omori because of the "large forest" or it's romanian meaning, but it does make a lot of sense for Sunny's alter ego being a weight for him.
Omocat said once that Omori was part of her life but idk if she said something about why the name
but i like the idea that she hid this meanings in the name :3
@@tetete8293 Oh, I never read that! When I wrote my comment I didn't meant to say that those were the canonic meanings, but now I know the name comes from Hikikomori, which also makes a lot of sense! It just caught my attention that those other meanings were so similar to things that happen in the game
This fight, and entire ending, is going to stick with me for the rest of my life. I have never experienced anything like this before. I cried, hard, and didn't stop even after the game's credits had finished. And let me preface this by saying that I never cry, even when I want to I don't. Even when I try to let myself cry I can't. It'll start and stop just as fast. I didn't just cry because it was sad, but because a lot of what Omori says to Sunny felt directed at me. That all I do is burden others while doing nothing. That I just make everyone who cares about me take care of me. That I'm worthless, and I've never done anything worth being proud of. The memories that you have as a child of your friends and family that just sort of disappear as you get older. How different your life was then compared to now. How different you are, and neither for the better. It was such a personal experience, and I don't think I'll ever have something like that again. Fuck you for making this game, but also thank you. I can't even begin to describe how much this game has given me. I wish I had the proper words and could articulate it. But just know that this game has changed my life. Good times will be again.
Calm down, focus, persist, and overcome.
This game does something to affect anybody who plays it no matter what.
Well it did affect me in a way, It made me dream more often, I have my own headspace at this point. It has become a place I escape to.
@@CypherAMG
I’m pretty sure the whole point of the game is that you *shouldn’t* do that.
Yea the whole truth section could e removed an it'd be a masterpiece that perfectly writes guilt and grief. But the creator had to ruin it with creepy pasta tier twists
Cherish.
Before this fight, I was talking to someone else about this cool game, called Omori
They asked me if I relate to Omori. I told them no. I told them this was about childhood memories and overcoming phobias, both of which I lacked.
I was wrong. That’s just surface level.
This was about coming to terms with guilt, with the past. To find peace in acknowledging it, as opposed to destroying yourself with and over it.
For some, it may be easy. Simple. Just as.
For the vulnerable, it feels and seems like it’s more impossible than it really is.
I can’t say that I relate completely to Omori. I can, at least more than a little.
I don’t have something following me. But it’s definitely smaller, yet more numerous than what Sunny has accepted.
I am not yet sure if I’ve done so.
awt hell naw spunchbob was forced to reconcile with his selfish actions and battle with a personification of his own childhood trauma
i would actually pay a good amount of money to see a parody of the final battle but with spongebob and his sketch counterpart!!!!
this hands down has to be one of the best boss themes I've ever heard.
the violin starting out representing sunny, the slow rise into the climax of the fight, the build up, the tension, all just amounting to the fight becoming harder and harder.
good stuff
What makes this theme stick out even more after the fact, is a comment from the track before, something like:
“He can’t play a duet, but he has to if he’s going to heal.”
It sounds as though can hear at least two string instruments throughout this song.
"hands down" pun intended?
well, its coming from bioshock so ofc its one of the best
I won't do it. I will NOT cry at a video game. I'm too old for this.
4 minutes and 13 seconds later:
You feel MISERABLE!
haha i get the reference
this game is really something else
413, eh? Guess someone should’ve warned Mari about the stairs.
@@literallyn01imp0rtant everyone always goes for the stairs, but I feel like Nancho Party part 3-4 is the SBAHJ comic that better applies to Omori.
P
This is, hands down, my favorite boss in the game. The contrast between Sunny and Omori is one of the best parts of this game, especially once the player realizes that they're both different things, and that they shouldn't compare Omori and Sunny as if they're the same person.
This fight is overall beautiful. After 4 years worth of stress, depression, and anxiety, Sunny finally has the strength to truly fight his inner demons, by the end, accepting them instead of destroying them.
This is one of the best fights in video game history. I rest my case.
OMORI has made life better for me. In July my grandmother passed away from internal bleeding in the head. And omori helped me through connecting with me through the loss of mari. Thank you so much OMOCAT for making a cinematic masterpiece.
Hey guys, Tanuki here. Feeling much better, and I always feel her by my side. I will miss her so much, but it's good to know she's in a better place.
Rip
again, pedro silva just fucking kills it with making a song that perfectly captures the moment. the violin is the only clear thing you can hear, and the piano notes have a rotting distortion to them, along with the other noise attempting to clutter and drown out the violin. it so perfectly represents sunny's fight with omori. if you see this pedro, thank you so much for being apart of omocat's team. you pushed the exact feelings and ideas in the moments through the music, and really ensured some of the moments as being absolutely phenomenal, especially with this fight
Finally, some comment about the musician themselves. I'm totally amazed by their skill of representing game lore and events as well. A big thank you for all the team for the feelz!
Uh
That aged very well.
@@doctorstarline5647Him being a shitty person doesn’t make the music any less amazing lol, some of the best musicians are shitty people (kanye west for example)
"The accident was 4 years ago, Sunny. You have to let me go."
nah, it's never really possible to let go of someone who died suddenly. sunny doesn't have to let go. he just has to learn to overcome.
@@ApexGale this was a reference to a meme
@@PersonWhoExists50306 im aware
@@ApexGale ok
“Haha good one mari”
What is sadder?
Omori - Omori
Undertale - Undertale
Undertale didnt make me cry but omori had me bawling at the end of good ending
Omori is way more tragic
it hurts its characters in ways I've never seen in fiction
the reason why it cuts so deep is that... this is not just violence against children... this is tearing them apart conscious
both represent different things:
undertale is a song that plays at the end of your journey, its melancholic, yes, it makes you remember and hold dear the moments you spent in the underground, the people you've spared, those you fought, the ones you met. It makes you feel sad about leaving everything behind, and asking you if exiting the underground is really a great idea, if thats what you really want
omori, while also being melancholic, is in a completely different sense. You aren't remembering dear old memories, nor holding them close to you, you are facing your biggest mistake and the cause for your trauma, the murder of your sister, while fighting virtually yourself in an attempt to come to terms with it, that way you can end the cycle of suffering. It doesnt make you feel sad about your journey being over, it makes you feel like shit for killing someone that mattered for everyone close to you and for your innability to say the truth and to stand up against said trauma, with some remembrance to your past actions in the game that foreshadowed what truly happened
They both are sad in their own context, but for me, omori is just sadder, since it mixes the "your journey is finally over" feeling with "will the suffering truly be gone? or is this just another futile attempt at it", while in-game you are thrown the heaviest and most tear-inducing imagery and words one can ever hear
Don't forgor
Minecraft - Minecraft
Holy fucking shit Omocat, just holy shit...
What you did here, with this game, this whole part and the dialogues... It will haunt me forever.
I've never been so eager to cry upon a single OST.
I kept pressing RUN and holding back my tears during this
That's what led to the bad ending.
Sunny's depression-OMORI-forced him to take that final leap off the edge.
Only the good ending-the true ending-needs you to fight. Sunny needs to accept his alter ego, he needs to accept OMORI. That-and only that-allows him to face his fear and tell his friends the truth.
You can't run from yourself bro...
@@k_nito7954 Yes you can,it's pretty hard to explain if you didn't have some problems that were directly your fault,like me.
I think,you don't literally run away,but instead you fake who you are in reality and you mostly want to stay at the time you actually felt Happy, that's why the game tells you
You have to accept and forgive yourself if you want to move on in life
Welp, welcome to reality.
if you wanna do something, see it through to the end. Don't run away.
And maybe, just maybe, you'll get the chance to finish it all, with a decent end.
Your not alone
one of the strongest, most powerful, and most viscerally upsetting moments i've ever faced in any piece of media before
ok ima fight these thoughts
...
damn brain didn't succumb
when they turn the "fuck yeah, im not dying" message into an "oh shit" moment
what makes this fight all the more mind rending is OMORIs placid never changing expression
this song invokes a feeling of sadness; anxiety; and hopelessness all at the same time
id expect my enemy to have an expression of atleast contempt but OMORI hes just... a blank slate
Weird that even though he looks so pale
He looks more terryfying each time he refuses to succumb and each passing phase...
Perhaps Omori is in that emotionless state as a coping mechanism for Sunny’s guilt. So Sunny doesn’t have to feel guilt. He doesn’t have to feel anything.
Who says he's your enemy? To him, he's doing what he thinks is best, protecting you from the painful truth. He's here to make sure you don't have to feel anything about that, ever again.
@@Kagira2006 omori and sunny are one in the same. They need each other, as much as they hurt one another. The fact that one is sort of absorbed into the other at the end of the battle shows they can’t escape or defeat each other. They need to accept each other and come together in order to make a decision.
it adds to the hopeless feeling you get when confronting any emotional struggle. no matter how much progress the people around you say you're making, or even howucj progress you feel like you've made, it always seems like your issues - whether it be depression, motivation, anger, (personal past experiences) or in sunny's case guilt - are unaffected. like your energy, thought, effort, blood, sweat, and tears were worth nothing, for nothing. and like the fight itself portrays, it's a crushing feeling unless you can choose to continue. realizing within yourself that it wasn't for nothing and that you are in fact getting better.
ive been in therapy for at least 8 years now battling these things, and being the oldest sibling and not having any parental roles I felt I could look up to, I couldnt have that mari reminding me to calm down, to focus, to persist, to overcome. and so the issues I had ate at me. my therapist gave me that advice, and to this day she still does because I still struggle with some of these things. I can't find the motivation to do anything, I don't see worth in my accomplishments, I don't even trust anyone enough to show my face around them.
no matter how hard you fight, it feels like the problems are still there, and more often then not it feels like it's your own fault, at least that's what it was like for me. but at the same time, they get better. I remember it being much worse when I was younger, and it's not nearly as bad now. sometimes i, sometimes you, sometimes we just need a reminder of how far we've come and the strength we had to have to get here.
that's how I was able to relate to this game and this fight, and that's why I love it so much. not only did this fight remind sunny that things can and will get better if you try, it also reminded me that when I tried, and when I still do with each passing day, it's worth something and it does make progress
you ain't from michigan if u neva done this befo
Tru, tru
SPOILER:
Pushes down stairs
@@puff6923 THE PIZZAS HERE-
@@devinsdead921 AYO THE PIZZAS HERE
why am i at a hospital
"whats youe favourite omori theme"
"omori"
The 3rd Anni Concert rendition went just as hard tbh
IRL SUNNY!!
You have no idea how much I cried during this fight
[DIALOGUE SPOILERS]
"You're useless... less than useless.
You're sick."
This line from OMORI himself struck me harder than anything else in the entire game. I've been saying stuff like this longer than I can remember in my head, and seeing it laid out in front of me was a truck-sized gut punch, it was as if my own mental battles were being displayed right before my eyes, albeit under a different and more severe context.
This game made me realize self doubt is shitty. That is seriously freakin awesome ngl.
Yeah.....and only now i realize that those words will only hide the truth of what you can really do, and what others think of you
(I regret that i didnt even realize it the hard way....only now)
This game has the possibility of changing someone's life out there
Felt the same.
I think everyone with depression should play this game.
theres, something about this line that hits me hard.
it delivers it line so powerfully well, and it effectively screams at you with just a few silent words.
i think this has become one of the most unforgettable finales to a game ever for me.
just the music, the increasing deep-fry of omori's sprite with increasingly distorted/deep-fried music, the throne of hands behind omori in redspace and knowing that sunny's attempt at eliminating his guilt, his trauma, his depression, will be in vain.
it will fight back, and attempt to drown your mind into obscurity.
we have to accept that they exist, and move on with our lives.
헤드 스페이스 전투 때 반갑게만 느껴졌던 오모리의 ‘굴복하지 않았다’ 가 우리가 아는 진실이 바뀌면서 써니의 내면적인 절망을 극대화시키는 문구로 전복되는 짜임이 소름 끼쳤음. 7년 간 공들여서 만든 게임이란 이런거구나 싶었고 정말 좋은 게임 고맙습니다
It's goosebumps that "Omori will not succumb” which was welcomed during the Battle of Headspace, is overturned with a phrase that maximizes Sunny's inner despair as the truth we know changes. Thanks to this wonderful game…
동감입니다...
*”You're nothing but a liar. And once they see the truth, they'll hate you as much as you hate yourself.”*
This song hit me extra hard because I also used to play the violin. But I stopped for... various reasons
Well done.
Same, but I stop because my teacher stop teaching and also by pure lazyness.
me too; i cant even pick one up n attempt to play it again without wanting to cry or break down
though this game is making me want to play violin again,, i wonder how sunny would feel about having to pick up a violin again
ha, i love when punpun and omori fans unite!
I stopped playing the violin, a couple of years ago,for various reasons as well. It's still in my house, my old violin and i always wondered if i should pick it up again...
Yeah same, I stopped a few years ago but picked it up recently again to try and recover from finishing this game..
Throughout the growing chaos, the young violinist continues to play, no matter what happens.
Everything that has happened these past four years has led up to this moment.
No more running from the past.
No more hiding from the truth.
It's time to put everything to rest.
This game, dude... I was ready to BAWL. I didn’t though, cause my brother was there, but shiiiiiiit. 100% will replay.
bruh my brother was there and i still did
@kel h o w i cried so hard its embarassing
Same, there is absolutely no way I won't replay this 1-3 years from now
@kel holy shit it felt for me to, though i didnt play the game (i dint have computer and money in general) i just feel like im feeling miserable even thohgh i couldnt
@kel holy shit it felt for me to, though i didnt play the game (i dint have computer and money in general) i just feel like im feeling miserable even thohgh i couldnt
OMORI really deserves some respect tbh, he was the escape omori needed and even though he did become the greatest enemy he was only that way because of how sunny felt and the omori was willing to end it for him. I realized this when i legit almost bawled when omori falls into sunnys arms as hes defeated or vice versa as they drop theyre weapons
Omori was his coping mechanism. Eventually, he couldn't push his inner demons down anymore, and Omori went from Sunny's best friend to his worst enemy.
You can't kill your inner demons. But you might be able to make peace with them.
I always thought that it was weird how no matter what you choose sunny with always fall into Omoris arms.
"We don't "move on" from grief. We move forward with it." - TED
I honestly nearly pissed myself when it was midnight and then this played 4 seconds after finally opening the battle sequence for omori
Spoiler quote
She loved you and you killed her.
Hero loved her and you killed her.
Aubrey loved her and you killed her.
Kel loved her and you killed her.
Basil loved her and you killed her.
YOU loved her and you killed her.
This hits soooo hard really. It feels like my heart is clenching or someone squeezing it.
Edit: Duude i don't like those edits for thanks but it's my first time 1k likes thank you soooo much i am so happy for my first is from omori.
Same thing with Sunny....
He cant calm down anymore because it hurts too much
yeah that that was
such a strong maybe the strongest blow honestly
And after all that’s finished, he keeps saying “You loved her and you killed her,” until you deplete his health bar again. That part hit home for me. That combined with the music made me cry so hard
The "Hero loved her and you killed her" resonated with me the most
But that's because I'm an unforgiving HeroMari shipper XD
@@theninjakid1430 I mean, they did used to date
In this fight, I keep telling myself, "Please don't lose, please don't lose" while desperately using CALM DOWN at 25% HP. This is probably one of my favorite OST in the game.
I have to let you go, this alter ego that I have created, "OMORI" made of everything bad in me, I can't continue with this, that's why I must fight against you
Out of every game Ive ever played, this is by far the best final boss ive ever seen.,
[SPOILER & SUICIDAL IDEATION WARNING.]
This song is a masterpiece.
The feelings and sounds of desperation, trying to fight back against your own personal demon, the part of you that hates yourself entirely and latches onto every ounce of guilt that builds onto itself year after year, and how it is so *incredibly* difficult to come back from a mental state like this. How it is a literal battle between life and death when you're stuck in a state like this. Depression latches onto every little detail about yourself you dislike, and amplifies it to the point where it becomes a monster, wearing you down over time and making you feel less and less every day. It grips so tightly onto the guilt of past mistakes and it uses that guilt as a weapon. It twists your perception of reality to a point where you're never truly certain what anyone thinks about you, you're never truly certain if the steps you're taking are the right ones, and it *cripples* your ability to truly accept you for who you are.
*Fighting against it is hard. It is an uphill battle, and if you are reading this and struggling, please, don't give into it. Don't let it win, don't let it completely envelope you. Fight it.*
The wording of "Do you want to continue?" at this sequence is *masterful*. It's a very clever way to talk about how in the end, it's *your* choice to keep going on, to keep getting better, to keep fighting to stay alive and see the ones you love and cherish. If you choose "yes", you remember to find a reason to continue on. The people you love, the things you love doing, the parts of life that keep you at peace.
It's even better how OMORI can never truly be defeated in the fight. There is no cure for depression, it's something you just have to accept is there, and it's something you have to live with. Like the static and distortion from this song, it'll get loud, it'll get violent, it'll make it hard to concentrate, but in the end, it's a part of you. And you will have to keep reminding it that you love yourself for who you are, and that you are capable of being forgiven.
*If you are struggling with depression, please, don't give up, like I said earlier. I know we probably haven't met and probably might not, but I still love you. It's going to be okay. You will get through this. You'll find a way to be happy. I know you will.*
(le gasp) I love ya too! (sobs into your shoulder)
Yes but did you know that depression actually cures sweetheart's happines
Is there actually no cure for depression?
@@eletgres519 It's much more complicated than that, because depression can have tons of causes. But yeah, there are cures, and the better we understand how the human brain works, the better those cures will become. Therapy is also becoming more and more effective and sophisticated the more we learn. It's just that depression is *hard* to cure, but there are countless researchers in the world working towards it.
ᶦ ᵍᵃᵛᵉ ᵘᵖ ᵃ ˡᵒⁿᵍ ᵗᶦᵐᵉ ᵃᵍᵒ
The way the song starts off so solemn and just progressively gets more intense, the unfitting instrumentals emerging in the background making your heart sink and feel more uneasy, and when the alternate version starts playing, disrupting you entirely and heightening your anxiety, I remember wanting to cover my ears from the spikes of sound playing,
I truly felt like I was in Sunny’s shoes, this track is brilliantly made to reflect what anxiety, sadness, and guilt feels like.
I will never see the word 'Something' the same way ever again.
I'll never get over how brilliant this song is - it gets more distorted and harsh the further it goes on, like your own thoughts trying harder and harder to break your resolve. It mirrors how easy it is to say, "Yeah, this time" but then the further you go on, the more weaker you start to become as you're barraged endlessly with your own negativity.
It's not a long boss fight, nor a complicated one, but it's a very memorable one.
final boss music always hits different :(
ive contemplated suicide for many years, and had major anxiety for the past few years due to the decisions i have made that i wish i can take back. Nothing could connect me more than the relationship on Omori, Sunny, and Me, myself. Even though this game has cost me a few nights ( worrying about basil, i connect a lot to him, his anxiety mirrors mine) i have finished the game and i have grown a bit better about how i view myself. There are less nights when i cry myself to sleep and less beatings on myself, though the anxiety never goes away, it has decreased.
These battles to overcome fears really do help me with anxiety, and im happy this game came out when i was at the pit of my battle.
This chord progression with the crying violins is so haunting, so captivating, just amazing, one of the best Boss themes I've ever heard
OMORI: This is MY mind now.
Sunny: No. It's mine.
Bro I was crying so hard cuz this was like the coolest thing ever bro and because I knew this was the final battle and that the game would be over soon
well, there's a whole other route you can take in the game so...
@@hiroparadise8152 wait fr!? I didn't know about this!?!
@@pufferfishboi4686 you might not want to do it, it's up to you though
@@Technae why not is it not good?
@@pufferfishboi4686 kinda like the genocide route from undertale
I cried so hard on this game, probably because I also have my own imaginary world where everything is good and nothing bad happend
does this game tells you anything about having imaginary worlds?
@@hiroparadise8152 Well the colorfull place (the purple pastel) is imaginary world created by Sunny (omori) from his childhood memories. He is a shut in/hikikomori because *something* and trying to cope with imaginary situation from his childhood.
I do too U_U what’s your world :0
I understand ya. I have my own imaginary perfect world too... Sometimes I would like to stay there forever but it's necessary to face the reality
I think that's the meaning of this game. Just... Face the reality and carry on.
@@erosrieta420 exactly, deluding yourself onto a fictional world can only get you so far
This tune really does stick with me, its slow build pacing creates a feeling of tension but the chords themselves sounds serine, hopeful almost.
Right until the background kicks in creating this immediate schism in your ears, the calm serine Violin vs the haunting echos of guilt.
And this battle between wills wages on right into "Alter" where the fight becomes frantic; one trying to assert themself over the other.
I do not have the words to truly encapsulate how beautiful this piece is
When the little glitchy "Pwooo... TLIIIING-" in the background hits at 02:48, it just. Mwah. I feel like it's such a wonderful description of trying to stifle tears and dark thoughts, but them spilling through the cracks nonethless.
Something about how the loud clattering/screaming comes in during this piece really hits me. It's like Omori's taunting Sunny, replaying the argument Mari and Sunny had leading into her falling down the stairs. Omori is that voice in your head that tells you everything is your fault in multiple horrific ways.
this song stresses out the word “fight” but at the same time it feels like there’s a small bit of indecision
*spoiler*
is that why omori wouldn’t succumb? because Sunny didn’t know whether it would be right for him to fight against it?
near the end of the game, it would show that Sunny (or Omori?) would give itself the final decision whether to give in to or fight against his alter ego’s decision of committing suicide from his accidental murder of his sister
I love this fight because it's impossible to defeat OMORI. He shows us what sunny feels like inside and he also shows us how powerless sunny is in the face of his trauma.
The only way to beat OMORI, your self, is to embrace it and forgive yourself.
When your search history includes both "undertale undertale" and "omori omori"
hollow knight - hollow knight
This track is so powerful. It starts off with a little violin and as it goes on and the fight gets more intense but also less hopeful, disrupting and disturbing noise plays but the little violin doesn't give in and keeps going, just like you do.
This game made ME feel all the guilt Sunny and Basil had, the feelings that I MYSELF did even tho Im just a person playing a game. This game went beyond with the OST, dialogue, and overall fights and secrets. This game hit deep, and I loved every moment of it. Fighting Omori was definitely nothing short from amazing.
This whole fight had some of the most memorable and reflective lines in the series, throughout the entire fight. It really shows how much everything has weighed down on Sunny and how guilty he feels. It’s so incredibly impactful and it made me really unsettled.
“You've caused so much suffering... yet you do nothing.”
“And so you've earned nothing in return.”
“Your friends will never forgive you.”
“They'll abandon you like you did them... and that's what you deserve.”
“You tell yourself that you don’t want to burden others…”
“But the truth is that you’re selfish, you just don’t want other people to depend on you.”
“When do you care about people? How long are you going to let people take care of you?”
“You say you care but you’re a liar. You’ve never done anything for anyone else.”
“You’re useless… less than that. You’re sick.”
“You don’t deserve to live.”
“Your friends are wrong about you. The person they love isn’t you at all.”
“You let them believe in a lie to protect yourself.”
“You’re nothing but a liar… and when they see the truth… They’ll hate you as much as you hate yourself.”
“If they know the truth, you'll never be able to regain their trust.”
“No matter what you do, it will be hopeless.”
“All you'll do is make things worse. It would be better to just die.”
“It would be better to just die.”
“You killed Mari. She loved you and you killed her.”
“Hero loved her and you killed her.”
“Aubrey loved her and you killed her.”
“Kel loved her and you killed her.”
“Basil loved you and you killed her.”
“You loved her and you killed her.”
“You should just die.”
But, despite the guilt Omori is trying so hard to pressure him with, Sunny still tries so hard to see the good in things and motivates himself with what everyone says to help him persevere.
Kel: “Friends... Friends are supposed to be there for each other.”
Aubrey: “I hope you can find some peace... or you know... some happiness.”
Hero: “Last time... We made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most. This time... we'll stay together.”
Basil: “Maybe one day... things can go back to the way they were before.”
Mari: “You'll forgive yourself... Won't you... Sunny?”
For me, this is up there as one of the best final boss sequences I’ve ever gone up against, and final Duet just really seals the deal. This fight was incredible from start to finish, no matter how unnerving it was. Omori… what a beautiful game…
Genuinely had to turn off my switch during this fight. I didn’t cry at duet nor good morning because I broke down here.
i could barely read anything with tears in my eyes
no words can describe this game honestly, it is so perfect.
Not me searching "omori omori" to find this like I'm summoning him or something.
there’s something so gut wrenching about this theme. it just makes you feel genuine dread.
almost had a mental breakdown at this