The wheels never came down, (hear the ding,ding,ding alarm, they were going to fast for them to deploy!) they bounced off the runway on both engines THREE times before going back around. The engines were damaged and compromised. I’m surprised he got as far as he did. Crew at fault IDIOTS THIS IS SUPER BASIC STUFF. So very sad for the passengers, Rest In Peace.
Agreed! Even he was over confident and forgot to extend the wheels. And when it touched down while so fast and higher, he was still confident he could make it. But engines after hitting on ground poorly damaged. He thought he would extend the wheels and come back again, foolish attempt. He not even risked his own life but hundreds of other souls lost because of his this non heroic act.
@@syedbd8 He opened the landing gears but there was a problem with landing gears due which ding ding ding noise was coming at 0:43. ATC should ask about landing gear functionality. There should be no noise of Ding Ding Ding Ding at 0:43 if he would forget to open the landing gears.
M. Emad they couldn’t open them if they tried. At no time did they have a low enough airspeed on the first approach for them to deploy. Only after the damage was done and the engines compromised on the go around did they come down loosing the airspeed they managed to still have compounding the stress on the already damaged engines....
I lost a lot of relatives on this flight. I pray for the Pilot and the deceased & their families, may Allah make it easier for their families. What a tragic incident..
Incredible job done by you, clearly shows how the pilot was hidding his engine failure till he was 1800 feet, ATC was clearly telling him about descend but he didn't tell him about engine failure.
It was the fault of both pilots as well as ATC's. Ground control was talking to aircraft the whole time while the ATC crew went to Jummah Prayer! ATC is supposed to ask every flight coming in with "3 greens and landing gears down and locked" upon visually seeing the aircraft. There was no mention of this important mention.
Few things we can observe: 1) Ding Ding bell at 0:45 means gear aren't deployed or grossly overlooked 2) Pilots are not communicating or giving real picture to ATC after they aborted and scrapped the engines 3) ATC not inquiring the reason of abort from the pilots. 4) Pilot saying give me 2000 and not telling 'why' nor ATC asking 'why' 5) ' We are trying to maintain it' means still the pilots aren't telling ATC about possible engine failure. Conclusion: Engines failure due to its scrapping on the runway that led to plane crash. I don't know I may be wrong but that's my hunch by seeing this video.
Had he landed on first attempt, all lives would have been saved at the cost of the plane and his license so he went around to save the plane and possibly his license.
you dont smack that lower part of the engine to the ground. that where the accesories gearbox is at engine fuei driven pump, oil pump, hydraulic pump, sta-gen assy ,N1/N2 rpm sensors etc might be severly damaged.
Crash is most likely due to pilot error and poor CRM. In the first recording and I expect so in the CVR(Cockpit Voice Recorder) you will hear what sounds like a electronic bell. This is the landing configuration warning indicating that the landing gear is not currently out. This is also displayed in the cockpit to ensure the pilots are made aware. Likely(but not 100% certain) list of events goes as follows: 1) Approach is rushed and likely unstabilised on a steeper glide slope than 3, which means excess airspeed. 2)Ignorance of the LDG Gear warnings and no checks/communication whilst a landing was attempted. 3) The failure to indicate emergency beforehand suggests that the plane has no issues with the gear or engines before the first landing attempt. 4)The landing is attempted despite passing minimums and not checking for any anomalies before final commit to landing. 5)As the lack of landing gear is realised, the engine cowling scrapes against the runway just before taxiway Delta at the airport. 6) The plane either bounces, hence scraping the engines again further on the runway, or the pilots engage too little thrust instead of go-around thrust via TOGA button on throttle handles. 7) We do not yet know if the cockpit is aware of the engine damage as the plane flies back into the sky, though it's likely the FDR will tell us some sort of engine warning did go off, perhaps relating to the N1 or N2 readouts on the central display. These will perhaps tell us that during the next part of the flight the engine fan/core speed drops and probably stops all together, which is pretty much a translation for "ENGINE IS NOT PRODUCING (ENOUGH)(ANY) THRUST!" 8)Whatever happened, the situation should have been communicated and the standard checklists should of been done. 9)The damage caused to the engines causes some sort of fatal damage, perhaps in the form of a bent fan blade in either/both engines, or direct engine core damage if the scraping duration was long enough(which it appears to be for at least severe damage). 10) The pilots do not tell ATC at first when they are unable to maintain altitude. We see this when they are flying their go-around. ATC says for them to fly at 3000ft, but they ask for 2000ft instead. ATC actually grant them this unaware; until a few seconds later they note that the PIA airliner is now at 1800 and descending. 11)At this point it's likely that the engines are no longer producing much, if any thrust at all. The aircraft nonetheless has gathered some momentum from the engines before total dual failure on the first ascent on the go-around. The quick sharp turns made once/twice during the round trip which goes over "Star Gate Road" and then the second corner turn just before the "Jafar Society" near the bottom right of this map, cause the plane to loose a lot of it's horizontal inertia as the turn takes up this energy during the banking of the wings. 12)With the aircraft having lost too much momentum after the previous dual engine failure, the actual speed of the plane is being reduced by drag(bearing in mind there are no engines to compensate for any of these forces), and the plane crashes as a result of either stall due to the low airspeed not giving the wings enough left, or the plane is already too close to the ground and gravity simply acting upon the plane. This is my speculation and NOT FINAL, but I think it's reasonably right at least in terms of engine damage/scraping on 25L R.I.P
Could you please explain the difference between crashing due to a stall and crashing because of gravity when you get too close to the ground? I am really curious.
The problems started before that, not in this video but can be found in videos released by others. The ATC notices that the plane is outside the normal envelope of glideslope and speed, and asks "are you comfortable?". In fact ATC tries to say "he guys, please check your situation as we think you are too high/too fast, better make a go-around and re-do the approach". But the pilot replies that they are comfortable without even checking the situation in detail... that is where they already lost the flight and it has to be researched why they were so complacent and not aware of the danger they put themselves and the passengers in. Later (in this video) indeed they got warnings from the plane and ignored them as well. When they approacht the runway they are too high above the threshold (indicated by the fact they touched down way too far on the runway) but still (before touching down) they do not do a go-around but the attempt the landing. Only THEN, when they hear the screeching noises of the engines on the runway, they suddenly wake up and go around, which at that time was the wrong thing to do. But indeed, as you explained, they still did not follow procedures and just troed to fly around and land. They now lowered the gear, which also was the wrong thing to do as this increases drag. Now they don't make it back. It is a big pile of stacked mistakes, and the reason for that happening has to be found from the recordings.
@@CaptainRudolfo They lowered the landing gears but they were too fast (above 260knts) hence for safety landing gear didn't lower. They landed on engines, they damaged the engines and then they crashed as the engines were not producing thrust anymore. Wrong approach, wrong configured, wrong actions, bad pilots! They didn;t even announced their mistakes/problems!
airplane make just one Ding sound when the airplane have major problem. but when plane have lots of major problem plane be like ding ding ding ding ding.
That sound is when the landing gears fail to deploy, that's why he did a landing on his engines but for some reason decided to take off and land again.
puzzling to understand why he landed without the landing gear completely down. Did not inform the tower about the failures or the landing gear problems , really strange. As soon as engines touched down, they must have got engine failure alarms
if you listen to the pilot at 0:45 you will hear a warning chime in the background. that is a warning when you move the gear lever to the down position but the airspeed is too high to safely lower the gear. even with the lever down the gear will not extend and the alarm chime sounds. it looks like they activated the gear down at a too high of speed, didn't understand the alarm and assumed it lowered. other pictures of the runway show were the engines scraped the pavement. another picture of the plane shows that they did get the gear down during the attempted go around.
@@akibanu007 Landing gear is self locking in the down position through large spring, even if the hydraulics fail. Landing gear seems not to have deployed at all.
My Dad retired from PIA after 35 years of service as a senior HR officer. He once told me that most of these pilots have discipline issues and they have "do not care" attitude. He also told me that Haramis like Nawaz, Zardari n Altaf put their incompetent people in PIA. Pandoos sell land and send their show off kids to flying schools to become pilots. Exception: Best trained pilots come from PAF. Rest of the paindoo pilots are peice of junk. May Allah bless all passengers who passed away.
@@khursheedghazi9511 - I don't understand a lot of the words in this comment thread, but blaming an air crash on the pilot being a member of some other group (tribe? caste? race?) isn't a productive way to analyze anything. It's far more important to understand what went wrong and improve systems and procedures to prevent it in future than it is to feel superior and just blame it on someone being genetically or culturally incapable of doing his job. That being said, is a Pandoo something like a Patel in India? Farmers who sell off their land when the city gets close and wind up having a lot of money that they're not used to? Apologies if comparing Pakistanis to Indians is offensive in some way.
The gradient slope for landing should be 2000 , however it this case it was 3500 , which means speed was high while landing, which didn't allowed wheels to came out. Causing rough landing in first try. That damaged the engine.
@@ericdasilva3421 I don't think all airports have auto land and I know that not all air planes have the feature... This was one where they were attempting an ILS with the glideslope
Two very important things to note in the audio. 00:15 1st is when audio stats pilot said we are comfortable now? That means something happened before approaching and authority is trying to hide. 2nd thing is, 00:25 when pilot said we are established on 25L, meaning he was confident enough to say this and obviously he watched his altimeter reading. One assumption is Probably altimeter was showing false indication of height to the pilot because it was a routine job for him why would he come so wrong and still confident in his voice. But when ATC said sir you are 5 miles from runway that means you should be around 2000 feet high instead of 3000. At that point pilot voice changed. Every one is blaming the pilot by assuming so i am assuming this to say it would be a faulty instruments that lead to this tragedy, also misleading the pilot
I agree but how the pilots didn't inform abt these things to ATC......Why 2000ft and why not 3000 ft....if it was 3000ft then another attempt of belly landing might be taken place......But the engines were scrapped.....initial mistake by the pilot made the flight to get crashed....Also pls hear the communication again......
@@KamilRozkopal i know very well... Do you ever heard about instrument calibration and instrument malfunction... So there is a possibility that ILS reciever that captures the signal was not working properly. The ATC guy is telling him you are wrong sir. How come? What are you trying to say both the pilots were blind? Was that there first experience? Like experts only assume pilot forgot, they don't have concrete evidence. Assumptions are multiples why media is highlighting only the pilots mistakes?
The caption was in hurry reasons best known to PIA management. As haste makes waste so was the tragic incident. On first landing, forgot to open the wheels and on second attempt opened the wheels much earlier dragging the airbus to crash.
Pilots! There are two pilots involved. Pilot flying and pilot monitoring. Even as a young first officer you have the authority to call out for a go around/missed approach even with a senior captain on the left seat. You work as a team and any concern you have. Should be raised. You wont loose your job for performing a missed approach. For the sake of 15 or so minutes. Bring yourself around. Loose the height/speed. Fully established ILS means on the localiser and glide slope. Not being at 3000ft with 5NM to run.
0:44 he appears to be on short final as the animation shows when he got an unsecured landing gear warning. They completely ignore it, continue approach instead of going-around. Dumps the plane on the runway and mysteriously decides to climb again God knows for what reason. Looks like an extremely medicore pilotship.
@@Aviator738 The engines were still working after hitting the runway, you can hear them spooling up as they started to go around. It seems almost certain the engines were fine before hitting the runway, but the damage caused them to lose power and ultimately stop completely.
Really a very tragic incident.....specially on this event of eid... we are already facing corona pandemic May Allah shower his blessings upon us ... Ameen.
Seems like a pilot error. They forgot to extend the landing gears and when they realised their error they took off again but they had already damaged the engines enough so that they only ran for 1-2 more minutes. You can breifly hear the warning alarm for the non extended landing gears at 0:44.
Yo dude ..i thought the same thing bro..i think the pilot scraped his engines cuz he didnt extend the landing gears and as he climbed the engines gave out ..he tried to glide back to the runway..
Bro that alarm was not mcas,, that alarm for "not landing down properly,",, and u can see alarm starts when he approach for landing ,,, and after engine were blown off,, they still have Ram wheel to provide electricity,,,, Main reason is they are at low altitude with low speed,,
I don't think they forgot the landing gear...There should be an issue with the landing gear...Even if they did forgot the landing gear...You can hear the master caution sound the GPWS would have alerted the crew to climb up. They tried a belly landing...But why did they attempt a go around?
@@VigneshR-dq4md There is no logic to this. If they had known that they had a problem with the landing gear not being down, they would have contacted ATC and told them to prepair for an emergency landing before trying a belly landing. They didn't!
Horrific for everyone involved. Crew, passenger's and spectators. The decision to get airborn after engine scrape may have been a calculated gamble by the Captain: Reduce speed upon landing and hope to avoid runway overrun mishap OR go-around and hope damaged engines will not fail before second landing attempt. I think the Captain made the wrong choice...
@@monizeshan I wonder if First Officer Usman Azam would have done things differently (never a good move to overrule the Captain at the best of times, even more so in an emergency). Air Korea Flight 8509 is a case in point where the Captain lost spatial orientation, over banked his aircraft, stalled and crashed. Admittedly some of the equipment on his side may have been malfunctioning but that was not the case on the Co-pilots side. A lot of pilots in Asia begin their careers in the military and are fast tracked to Captaincy when they switch to commercial. A relatively young F/O would tremble at the thought of contradicting the Captain (there could be career repercussions). It's a cultural thing based on fear and respect that junior crew do not speak out of turn, seniority overrides everything. In the west the interaction between pilots regardless of rank is less tense with much more dialogue resulting in checklists being adhered to more often than not.
Both first officer and captain ignored ATC when he said you are approaching too fast go for 180(go around) then co pilot said we are comfortable sir.... here they all made mistake ATC should force them to go and get speed lower for landing So many times SOP violation. May be we learn from these mistakes Well R.I.P all the souls departed😢
the pilot hit both engines on the ground on his 1st attempt to land! Whats puzzling is why the landing gear wasnt deployed both the times, and didnt the pilot know he had hit the engines on the rn wa the first time? its so confusing
The pilots seems evasive and I don't see any real coordination or communication between them and ATC guys! They seemed to be on their own till the end! Also no mention of landing gear failure etc to ATC from pilots, it's strange!!
It is said that the pilot didn't changed its frequency to ATC and stayed with approach control all the time... but when the the aircraft lands and reaches the middle of runway , another voice apart from approach control emerges and says " Report reaching altitude 3500 " at 1:09, after pilot says "going around" ? So did the control tower intercepted the frequency for a second ?
If the speed and altitude was not suitable for landing at the first attempt the ATC should not have allowed him for the land, ATC he should have call the pilot to go round.
had those landing gears not been deployed in the last seconds of the unpowered final approach they might have chance to slip thru passed over the residential buildings. those landing gears increased drag resulted in lost of speed, lift and altittude .
that alarm for " landing gear notdown properly," it's not mcas ,, and u can see alarm starts when he approach for landing ,,, and after engine were blown off,, they still have RAM wheel to provide electricity,,,, Main reason is they are at low altitude with low speed,, on 2 approach Rip
@Aviator Not on first attempt. There was no communication about engine failure on first Pass. It could be either Overspeed or Gear. I would lean towards "Gear not deployed" warning
So sad to see, but the engines did well to get back off the ground and run for as long as they did after contact with the ground, he was so close perhaps a tighter turn and he would of made it. Will be interesting to see all of the facts before pulling the trigger. Rest in peace all who suffered.
Tighter turns cause loss of altitude & speed, both of which would be a problem by themselves - but also could well have stalled when the engines were struggling to provide thrust.
I believe that he did not want to land the plane in the first place after he realised the gears are not down he tried to do a round about (which is usually suggested in situations like these) but the plane was not able to attain the right speed and altitude and hence touched the ground
this is what I think..and Allahuwalam 0:31 and 0:42 landing gear alarm, probably nose gear. 0:57 the plain engines had just taken a hit and the landing gear was up at this point thus no alarm is beeping. 1:17 left engine stopped working (without any audio alarm??) 2:22 landing gear successfully deployed judging from the pilot's relief in tone. (but unfortunately if it's true this will add more drag to the plane) 2:35 lost both engines without any audio feedback from the plane??? 2:40 pilot did his best from this point on wards and saved 2 lives. (dumping fuel may or may not have saved more or any lives at all)
Only FDR & FVR will show if they forgot to lower the landing gear altogether or they attempted to lower it at 260+ k/h but I just don't think they could have been going that fast so late in the approach.
I am from India very sorry for this tragic loss of life’s the only last good thing the government of Pakistan can do for the departed soul to have a impartial inquiry and punish the guilty Two engines of airbus aircraft which is the best cannot go faulty all together poor ground maintenance
The Aircraft was fine I believe they might have damaged the engines when they abort the first landing engine surface pictures have gone viral where they were badly scratched by the first impact of abort landing..but wait and let the experts do thier job and give all the answers..
It appears when they went over runway first time it loo(s as if it was a aborted landing but they apparently actually touched down on the runway with the landing gear not down, which means they belly landed the first time but managed to get airborne again with two badly damaged engines. Then they could not maker it back to land. This is very odd that they got airborne after smacking ground with bottom of aircraft
@@salllu the landing gear's didn't open. That might be the fault of the maintenance crew. But as you said we should leave it to the investigators and not speculate on our own.
@@deltabeta5527 I'd disagree big time my friend Pakistan international Airlines have thousands of flaws and can't argue on that,but this particular Air Crash definitely falls under the bracket of pilot error according to the new development they were too "hot and high"for the landing approach and also both pilots were fasting....so I rest my case 🙏
So sad very sad almost made it.. my deepest condolences to the victims families and people on the plane and people on the ground.. very sad..... scary....... they say the airplane crashes comes in 3s. May Lord protect us all. AAMEEN
I don't think atc ever asks for a reason why they chose to go around (unless there's an obvious problem), there seems to be a no-blame attitude towards pilots going around(even by the airline, despite it costing them more) - so pilots don't try to land when it's unsafe (going around is almost always the safer option) atc also tries not to interfere too much, as it can distract the pilot.
The crew said they were established on the ILS25L but at about 0:30 sec ATC confirms they are at 5 miles out at 3000 ft. Seems like a false glideslope capture... probably realized too late that they were too high and fast but tried to force it anyway by trying to lower the gear at the last moment. Why did the landing gear not deploy? Could be a number of reasons but quite possibly the pilot dove the aircraft as he realized he was high and speed increased above the threshold for landing gear extension... This is all just speculation...
Did they really forget to deploy landing gear or it got locked up.. As per atc conversations and animation looks like pilot deployed them late or he forgets...
Juan Brown's take on it seems to be that they hit the switch but were going too fast, so the computers didn't lower the gear. There are a lot of things that can go beep beep in an Airbus cockpit, some of them are for minor problems, and this isn't one anyone hears often. They could very well have just ignored the alarm, thinking they'd be on the ground in a minute and could sort it out afterwards.
@@bobjames6284 I totally agree... Hot and high for approach A320 wouldn't allow landing gears in high and fast approaches... Totally disappointed with Pakistani management how they certified co pilots and pilots they are playing with the lives of people
@@dk-cr3jv - I'm just guessing, but it sounds like part of the problem was that ATC and the pilots weren't on the same page. ATC brought them directly towards the airport, planning to have them circle and lose altitude before coming in on final, and the pilots thought they were coming in direct, so when they hit the localizer they tried to drop fast, thinking they were fixing ATC's mistake having them at the wrong altitude. When ATC gave them a warning that they were too high, they thought he was just giving them information they already knew and didn't hear it as a warning, and when he gave them a turn, they ignored it because they were on final and already going the right direction. Maybe everyone was tired and going through the motions without paying enough attention to what the other was trying to do, or maybe having to speak English took up just a bit too much of everyone's attention. Just one of those shit shows where small misunderstandings compound and things go sideways as a result.
They hid there mistake and did not know what do do on a emergency landing see when the atc said manitain 3000ft then the atc said you are on 2000ft the pilot said just give me 2000ft I think he lost the the engines earlier and pretending he lost them now the engerniers who said this plane Is good to fly is an iddiot he probably found a faulty engine and just said forget about it that engineer should get sacked what a thick iddiot what a lost guy
At 0:20 ATC actually said "negative" (no, don't land now your speed and altitude isn't appropriate to land. Turn back and come again properly). In the video captions, it shows "roger" which isn't what he said. 0:40 suddenly after only 20 seconds ATC changed mind and gave permission to land. This is so weird.
The Master alarm of the A320. Could be numerous issues, however in this case it was the landing gear. The alarm was to let the crew know they were about to attempt a landing with the gear retracted
Noted.... He said absolutely nothing about having gear up, making contact or scraping the runway! Wonder if they met flight crew currency & SIM / PC requirements after sitting idle for two months?
At 0.44 you can hear the alarms of landing gear problem, then why still pilot prefered to continue approach. 2nd thing why ATC did not inform pilot that landing gear is not down?
So sad, but I have a question, why do reports advise "The PIA's engineering department reported that the last thorough maintenance check on the plane was conducted on 21 March" - Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought aircraft that operated in desert conditions were supposed to be reviewed slightly more often, like once a month? - this was the aircrafts 6th flight since entering lockdown for Coronavirus, so my guess is the aircraft was inspected while in lockdown, and then started flying recently again, to have this happen. So in other words, chance to have issues from parts that stayed untouched for more than a few weeks on the ground straight, without having another full inspection before starting its flights again was disastrous.
Thorough maintenance are usually a few weeks apart, pre and post flight checks are a routine SOP. Pakistan is not a desert country, just some parts of it are and this flight was flying to and from non-desert cities.
@@GeoRover Interesting, I would have thought it was from almost all media I see showing more Desert like areas, from our 40,000ft death from above chaos raining down, to even other recent events, I can't think of seeing any forests or whatnot, but then again our media may only select the most desolate, sparse looking areas to really show over and over again, and not show us any lush forests lol :P ty.
@@plasmaburndeath Not sure where you are from, but main stream media everywhere in the world is all about negativity. Linking a quick preview of what to expect of Pakistan, and not to mention countless vLogs from westerners who travel there that you can search on UA-cam. Check these videos out for starters: ua-cam.com/video/CgSQe64SP6c/v-deo.html . Add this one:ua-cam.com/video/DHnHpHkwqs4/v-deo.html
Pilot must have been having warning alarm sounds BEFORE he attempted lowering the landing gear. So he did not differentiate the landing gear alarm from alarms that were already sounding.
This is an edited version of voice recording released out of the box by CAA. The survivor told in his interview the after go around where plane first time failed to land on runway, there was a 15 mins time gap when the plane was in air. Suppose his rough estimate was a guess of 15 mins and even we reduce the time the conversation might took up at least 8 to mins and the voice recording is edited and cutted version. Hint: @ 2:43 how the ATC tower asking for belly landing? while the pilot didnt inform any fault of landing gear.
This a compressed timeline version of the ATC conversation, not edited. Nothing was edited out in this video. This is to demonstrate sequence of events and where the plane could have been. Any aviation enthusiast would know what’s going on here and also time wise.
The ATCO recording starts after the initial botched touchdown. Would like to know why the complete recording is not made public. The National TV channels are now saying that the CVR has gone missing.
@@BAZZAROU812 They had hydraulics, the RAM automatically descended to provide electricity & hydraulic power. The plane looked in control when it crashed, but had lost thrust so was gliding at that point. As ATC asked if they would be belly landing on the 2nd attempt, they almost certainly knew they had scraped the runway on the 1st attempt (large marks have since been found on the runway)
@@DoubleMonoLR Yes the Tower likely thought that the gear was inoperative at that point and that they would try again with no gear but lower airspeed and earlier touchdown. But now the pilots have lowered the gear and they want to try second time with gear but with no engines....
Rest In Peace. My thoughts to the families ans friends. Thanks for this video. We won't know until we have the whole picture of what happened with the investigation.
It seems to me the crew lost situational awareness during the flight, leading to a high approach,high airspeed and subsequent go around after striking ground.
I had the honour to meet the Captain Sajjad Gul in year 2012 in London he was a real gem of a person very jolly...may his soul rest in peace....I am not aviation expert but did the PK8303 miss the first approach on what reason?and then they decided to go around?what was the reason they missed the first approach in the first place?was it they were flying too high or fast?had they not the missed the first approach this crash wouldn't have happened 😓🙏
They missed lowering the landing gears. You can hear the warning sound at 0:44 for this. They then damaged both engines when they touched the runway. The engines only worked for a minute or so before they stopped.
@@umairtufail9654 Yes, but the pilot had to make a split second decision and I think that most people instictively would have done the same thing as the pilot.
@@mickejohansson7054 i think it is the fault of civil aviation as they should have seen the entire senario at the run way through cameras and they should have directed pilot to crash land as he had rubbed the plane on the ground and maybe a little mistake of the pilot....actually they had very weak communication...which i think is the real cause
Landing gear probably wasn't deployed. Both engines struck the runway causing failure.. So they probably also lost hydraulics soon after on the go around . That's why the tower ask about a belly landing.. He assumed they lost hydraulics for the landing gear..Sadly it was probably a dead stick in the final moments.. RIP
This is the voice of co-pilot from beginning to end... So from the start of this video looks like pilot gives the chance to co-pilot to land as we know the copilot was not that much experienced his name Usman ignored the warning from Atc 3 times... Came down without wheels scratched both engines then flew up.. I have heard from my sources that in PIA pilots have don't care attitude.. They do the things on their own like they are owing everything... Shame on such of pilots and management.. There should be a proper verification for every pilot in Pakistan now their degrees their training their mental health should be verified on international level
He opened the landing gears but there was a problem with landing gears due which ding ding ding noise was coming at 0:43 but ignored by Pilots. ATC should ask about landing gear functionality. There should be no noise of Ding Ding Ding Ding at 0:43 if he would forget to open the landing gears.
The early reports are that the crew were talking about the Coronavirus and were just ignoring the alarms. The alarm heard is the master alarm letting them know the landing gear was not down.
They don't know how hard it is and it's not easy to fly an aeroplane just because you want something a certain way doesn't mean it is gonna happen I don't think he wanted to land in the first place but the plane did not achieve the right speed and altitude to take off
AirCraft came only once on the runway and touched the ground due to problem in landing gears and this conversation is before bally landing and alarming beeps 0:43 of AirCraft are indicating that there is some problem in the landing gears at 0:43 which are ignored by the Pilot and Air Traffic Controller also failed to assure that Landing gears are functioning properly before permitting to land, due to which engines touched the ground and ultimately failed during 2nd attempt to reach runway so crashed.
even the pikot reaction was great..he do not get frightened.over knewing that he was going to killed.. a moment before crashed his voice was great..mean amazable..
What do you mean? If you mean that I created this inference animation video, then YES. It also says it in the beginning of this video (My name is Nasir Aziz)
He opened the landing gears but there was a problem with landing gears due which ding ding ding noise was coming at 0:43. ATC should ask about landing gear functionality. There should be no noise of Ding Ding Ding Ding at 0:43 if he would forget to open the landing gears.
Highly likely he scaped his both engines on the runway. As described by the survivor Muhammad Zubair he heard loud bangs on 1st try. My confusions: 1. if pilots knew about the landing gear issue for the first time? why did he go around? 2. why ATC didn't tell them about them hitting their engines? 3. ATC seems to be suggesting belly landing? that means he knew about landing gear issue? Pls, correct me if I am wrong?
The landing gear did not open because of speed and altitude when this happens the pilots are taught to do a round about but in this case the plane touched the ground which caused the major disaster he didn't want the plane to touch or land but the plane didn't manage to attain the right speed and altitude atc and pilot both have the control on knowing what is happening to the pilot told them about the gear issue and then later also about engines and in cases like these belly landing is the only option when engine and gear have failed
@@bostonshekhar - and every pilot's first instinct is to pull up when things stop making sense. If they didn't realize their gear was up, all that banging and scraping had to be one helluva surprise.
The plane has to be stable on the ground and able to stop on the remaining runway length. If anything is wrong about that, landing is unsafe, thus the aircraft should then abort the landing; that is called "go-around". This can happen even after touching the ground, but that is risky.
@@bobjames6284 That surely must have been a difficult landing. Plane bounced supposedly 3 times before taking of again. As of now there is no mention whether they were aware about the landing gear malfunction. Do you have any source where they inform ATC about the landing gear problem? If so, please do share the link.
My conclusion is that the pilot panicked when he was running out of space in the runway, decided to pull up instead of engaging reverse thrust to put the aircraft on stop. This cost all the lives aboard that doomed plane. Besides, both engines already touched the runway and sustained damage, there was no way he can successfully perform a go around.
@@Abdul-jd2em Losing the engines doesn't require having to belly land. They actually had the gear down on the 2nd attempt anyway. It's likely atc were aware that they had scraped the runway(with gear up) on the 1st attempt, so assumed there was a gear problem.
Most likely looks like pilot error. They did Land the first time at a very high speed which prevented the landing gears from coming out, thus causing the alarm, which they totally failed to understand. The videos on the second landing clearly show the gears were out, as they should be because they were at a much slower speed by then. So like the other guy here said, the atc did see them doing the belly landing and rightfully assumed that there was a gear problem, which ofcourse there wasn't
In my town mostly people who lives are engaged with the same airline and mostly of them are retired from same airlines.. almost 90 percent of towns population is engineer and pilots who used to serve for them.. by the grace of god we are safe but the next street wasn't that much luckier
I believe that they never checked to make sure all three landing gear were working. Upon landing they realized that they belly landing making them go around. The damage was already done.
Very well depicted through this animation. May the souls of the passengers and crew members Rest in Peace.
Ameen.
The wheels never came down, (hear the ding,ding,ding alarm, they were going to fast for them to deploy!) they bounced off the runway on both engines THREE times before going back around. The engines were damaged and compromised. I’m surprised he got as far as he did. Crew at fault IDIOTS THIS IS SUPER BASIC STUFF. So very sad for the passengers, Rest In Peace.
Agreed! Even he was over confident and forgot to extend the wheels. And when it touched down while so fast and higher, he was still confident he could make it. But engines after hitting on ground poorly damaged. He thought he would extend the wheels and come back again, foolish attempt. He not even risked his own life but hundreds of other souls lost because of his this non heroic act.
Syed Abid why didn’t he belly landed n stopped on the first attempt?
@@mansurian6403 cz in last moments he cacelled landing and started climbing, but parabolic path kissed the runway
@@syedbd8 He opened the landing gears but there was a problem with landing gears due which ding ding ding noise was coming at 0:43. ATC should ask about landing gear functionality. There should be no noise of Ding Ding Ding Ding at 0:43 if he would forget to open the landing gears.
M. Emad they couldn’t open them if they tried. At no time did they have a low enough airspeed on the first approach for them to deploy. Only after the damage was done and the engines compromised on the go around did they come down loosing the airspeed they managed to still have compounding the stress on the already damaged engines....
I lost a lot of relatives on this flight. I pray for the Pilot and the deceased & their families, may Allah make it easier for their families. What a tragic incident..
did u?
Ameen
I lost my best friend along with his mother, sister and eledest brother 😭❤ Inna lilahe wa ina ilahe rajioun
Ameen
@@abdulrafay5457 may their soul rest in peace !
Incredible job done by you, clearly shows how the pilot was hidding his engine failure till he was 1800 feet, ATC was clearly telling him about descend but he didn't tell him about engine failure.
Info by HASAN I think he wanted to become captain sully because he did not even tell about the landing gear earlier. Wtf he was thinking
@@abadullahkhan9998 sully did tell the atc about the engine failures he said "lost thrust on both engines"
Absolute Captains fault
It was the fault of both pilots as well as ATC's. Ground control was talking to aircraft the whole time while the ATC crew went to Jummah Prayer! ATC is supposed to ask every flight coming in with "3 greens and landing gears down and locked" upon visually seeing the aircraft. There was no mention of this important mention.
That's last mayday call was so sad, his voice stops as he knows there is no chance. inna lillahi wa inallah-e-raji'oon
Few things we can observe:
1) Ding Ding bell at 0:45 means gear aren't deployed or grossly overlooked
2) Pilots are not communicating or giving real picture to ATC after they aborted and scrapped the engines
3) ATC not inquiring the reason of abort from the pilots.
4) Pilot saying give me 2000 and not telling 'why' nor ATC asking 'why'
5) ' We are trying to maintain it' means still the pilots aren't telling ATC about possible engine failure.
Conclusion: Engines failure due to its scrapping on the runway that led to plane crash. I don't know I may be wrong but that's my hunch by seeing this video.
They probably managing the issue. At first there was the landing gear issue and then the engine issue
As usual this crash happened due to blatant lies by pak pilots as usual, lying is in their blood, can't help it
Had he landed on first attempt, all lives would have been saved at the cost of the plane and his license so he went around to save the plane and possibly his license.
@@devershee and the reason behind it is cause most of you are illegitimate sons and daughters of your previous masters.
you dont smack that lower part of the engine to the ground. that where the accesories gearbox is at engine fuei driven pump, oil pump, hydraulic pump, sta-gen assy ,N1/N2 rpm sensors etc might be severly damaged.
Crash is most likely due to pilot error and poor CRM. In the first recording and I expect so in the CVR(Cockpit Voice Recorder) you will hear what sounds like a electronic bell. This is the landing configuration warning indicating that the landing gear is not currently out. This is also displayed in the cockpit to ensure the pilots are made aware.
Likely(but not 100% certain) list of events goes as follows:
1) Approach is rushed and likely unstabilised on a steeper glide slope than 3, which means excess airspeed.
2)Ignorance of the LDG Gear warnings and no checks/communication whilst a landing was attempted.
3) The failure to indicate emergency beforehand suggests that the plane has no issues with the gear or engines before the first landing attempt.
4)The landing is attempted despite passing minimums and not checking for any anomalies before final commit to landing.
5)As the lack of landing gear is realised, the engine cowling scrapes against the runway just before taxiway Delta at the airport.
6) The plane either bounces, hence scraping the engines again further on the runway, or the pilots engage too little thrust instead of go-around thrust via TOGA button on throttle handles.
7) We do not yet know if the cockpit is aware of the engine damage as the plane flies back into the sky, though it's likely the FDR will tell us some sort of engine warning did go off, perhaps relating to the N1 or N2 readouts on the central display. These will perhaps tell us that during the next part of the flight the engine fan/core speed drops and probably stops all together, which is pretty much a translation for "ENGINE IS NOT PRODUCING (ENOUGH)(ANY) THRUST!"
8)Whatever happened, the situation should have been communicated and the standard checklists should of been done.
9)The damage caused to the engines causes some sort of fatal damage, perhaps in the form of a bent fan blade in either/both engines, or direct engine core damage if the scraping duration was long enough(which it appears to be for at least severe damage).
10) The pilots do not tell ATC at first when they are unable to maintain altitude. We see this when they are flying their go-around. ATC says for them to fly at 3000ft, but they ask for 2000ft instead. ATC actually grant them this unaware; until a few seconds later they note that the PIA airliner is now at 1800 and descending.
11)At this point it's likely that the engines are no longer producing much, if any thrust at all. The aircraft nonetheless has gathered some momentum from the engines before total dual failure on the first ascent on the go-around. The quick sharp turns made once/twice during the round trip which goes over "Star Gate Road" and then the second corner turn just before the "Jafar Society" near the bottom right of this map, cause the plane to loose a lot of it's horizontal inertia as the turn takes up this energy during the banking of the wings.
12)With the aircraft having lost too much momentum after the previous dual engine failure, the actual speed of the plane is being reduced by drag(bearing in mind there are no engines to compensate for any of these forces), and the plane crashes as a result of either stall due to the low airspeed not giving the wings enough left, or the plane is already too close to the ground and gravity simply acting upon the plane.
This is my speculation and NOT FINAL, but I think it's reasonably right at least in terms of engine damage/scraping on 25L
R.I.P
yes, clearly fault of pilots. they didnt even mention landing gear yet you can hear it ringing at 0:45.
Could you please explain the difference between crashing due to a stall and crashing because of gravity when you get too close to the ground? I am really curious.
The problems started before that, not in this video but can be found in videos released by others.
The ATC notices that the plane is outside the normal envelope of glideslope and speed, and asks "are you comfortable?".
In fact ATC tries to say "he guys, please check your situation as we think you are too high/too fast, better make a go-around and re-do the approach".
But the pilot replies that they are comfortable without even checking the situation in detail... that is where they already lost the flight and it has to be researched why they were so complacent and not aware of the danger they put themselves and the passengers in.
Later (in this video) indeed they got warnings from the plane and ignored them as well.
When they approacht the runway they are too high above the threshold (indicated by the fact they touched down way too far on the runway) but still (before touching down) they do not do a go-around but the attempt the landing.
Only THEN, when they hear the screeching noises of the engines on the runway, they suddenly wake up and go around, which at that time was the wrong thing to do.
But indeed, as you explained, they still did not follow procedures and just troed to fly around and land. They now lowered the gear, which also was the wrong thing to do as this increases drag. Now they don't make it back.
It is a big pile of stacked mistakes, and the reason for that happening has to be found from the recordings.
the noise may also come from just when the autopilot is turned off. manual flight before landing
@@CaptainRudolfo They lowered the landing gears but they were too fast (above 260knts) hence for safety landing gear didn't lower. They landed on engines, they damaged the engines and then they crashed as the engines were not producing thrust anymore. Wrong approach, wrong configured, wrong actions, bad pilots! They didn;t even announced their mistakes/problems!
0:44 *Ding Ding Ding Ding* That's a notification, and you can hear stress in his voice.
airplane make just one Ding sound when the airplane have major problem.
but when plane have lots of major problem plane be like ding ding ding ding ding.
That sound is when the landing gears fail to deploy, that's why he did a landing on his engines but for some reason decided to take off and land again.
Bt he shld inform ATC
@@munabissi But he ignored it, so there's no way he would've told ATC if he didn't care about it much.
@@munabissi off course
puzzling to understand why he landed without the landing gear completely down. Did not inform the tower about the failures or the landing gear problems , really strange. As soon as engines touched down, they must have got engine failure alarms
Yes and not telling atc about gear problem means they made a mistake (gears came down late).
Landing gear was probably down but they forgot to lock them?
Hold your thoughts until blackbox recording is decoded
if you listen to the pilot at 0:45 you will hear a warning chime in the background. that is a warning when you move the gear lever to the down position but the airspeed is too high to safely lower the gear. even with the lever down the gear will not extend and the alarm chime sounds. it looks like they activated the gear down at a too high of speed, didn't understand the alarm and assumed it lowered. other pictures of the runway show were the engines scraped the pavement. another picture of the plane shows that they did get the gear down during the attempted go around.
@@akibanu007 Landing gear is self locking in the down position through large spring, even if the hydraulics fail. Landing gear seems not to have deployed at all.
My Dad retired from PIA after 35 years of service as a senior HR officer. He once told me that most of these pilots have discipline issues and they have "do not care" attitude.
He also told me that Haramis like Nawaz, Zardari n Altaf put their incompetent people in PIA. Pandoos sell land and send their show off kids to flying schools to become pilots.
Exception: Best trained pilots come from PAF. Rest of the paindoo pilots are peice of junk.
May Allah bless all passengers who passed away.
And most of them are with fake digrees
Syed Thanks for the input and looks like that 's what happened here.
You sounds like a ch(yoouthia) . .
@@khursheedghazi9511 - I don't understand a lot of the words in this comment thread, but blaming an air crash on the pilot being a member of some other group (tribe? caste? race?) isn't a productive way to analyze anything. It's far more important to understand what went wrong and improve systems and procedures to prevent it in future than it is to feel superior and just blame it on someone being genetically or culturally incapable of doing his job.
That being said, is a Pandoo something like a Patel in India? Farmers who sell off their land when the city gets close and wind up having a lot of money that they're not used to? Apologies if comparing Pakistanis to Indians is offensive in some way.
Aameen 🙏
So sad to hear about this news.... It was really hurtful...Condolences from India..
The gradient slope for landing should be 2000 , however it this case it was 3500 , which means speed was high while landing, which didn't allowed wheels to came out. Causing rough landing in first try. That damaged the engine.
Just wondering then how the ILS was established? For an autoland? Doesn't it take into consideration the glide slope?
@@ericdasilva3421 I don't think all airports have auto land and I know that not all air planes have the feature...
This was one where they were attempting an ILS with the glideslope
Two very important things to note in the audio. 00:15 1st is when audio stats pilot said we are comfortable now? That means something happened before approaching and authority is trying to hide.
2nd thing is, 00:25 when pilot said we are established on 25L, meaning he was confident enough to say this and obviously he watched his altimeter reading. One assumption is Probably altimeter was showing false indication of height to the pilot because it was a routine job for him why would he come so wrong and still confident in his voice. But when ATC said sir you are 5 miles from runway that means you should be around 2000 feet high instead of 3000. At that point pilot voice changed.
Every one is blaming the pilot by assuming so i am assuming this to say it would be a faulty instruments that lead to this tragedy, also misleading the pilot
Taimoor.Jamshaid very good analysis good point !
I agree but how the pilots didn't inform abt these things to ATC......Why 2000ft and why not 3000 ft....if it was 3000ft then another attempt of belly landing might be taken place......But the engines were scrapped.....initial mistake by the pilot made the flight to get crashed....Also pls hear the communication again......
Do you have any idea how ILS works? I don't think you know what you are talking about speaking of altimeter.
@@KamilRozkopal i know very well... Do you ever heard about instrument calibration and instrument malfunction... So there is a possibility that ILS reciever that captures the signal was not working properly. The ATC guy is telling him you are wrong sir. How come? What are you trying to say both the pilots were blind? Was that there first experience? Like experts only assume pilot forgot, they don't have concrete evidence. Assumptions are multiples why media is highlighting only the pilots mistakes?
Good analysis 👍
Rest in peace 😥
So, sad...
So heart warming literally....tears in my eyes...after hearing his last words.."mayday..."....may god bless them heaven....🙏🙏🙏🚚🚛💪💐🌷⚘
The caption was in hurry reasons best known to PIA management.
As haste makes waste so was the tragic incident.
On first landing, forgot to open the wheels and on second attempt opened the wheels much earlier dragging the airbus to crash.
Two people who should have never been in an airliner cockpit.
God Speed .... Great Flight Crew tried so hard .....
Cctv on roads,malls. But nothing on runways or towers. Is aviation living in stone age till now
انا للہ وانا الیہ راجعون ! اللہ تعالی سب شہداء کی کامل مغفرت فرمائیں، درجات بہت بلند فرمائیں۔آمین! دل بہت دکھی ہے اللہ تعالی رحم فرمائیں
Condolences to the families and friends of the victims of this tragic event.
A new story for a new episode on aircraft investigation at National Geographic.
The qualifications of every pilot should be scrutinised,in my opinion the fault lies with the pilot. May his soul rest in peace.
Pilots! There are two pilots involved. Pilot flying and pilot monitoring. Even as a young first officer you have the authority to call out for a go around/missed approach even with a senior captain on the left seat. You work as a team and any concern you have. Should be raised. You wont loose your job for performing a missed approach. For the sake of 15 or so minutes. Bring yourself around. Loose the height/speed. Fully established ILS means on the localiser and glide slope. Not being at 3000ft with 5NM to run.
Makes me cry everytime I watch this . RIP to the lost souls.
Very well cleared through this animation.It shows captain mistake. At time of first landing.
0:44 he appears to be on short final as the animation shows when he got an unsecured landing gear warning. They completely ignore it, continue approach instead of going-around. Dumps the plane on the runway and mysteriously decides to climb again God knows for what reason. Looks like an extremely medicore pilotship.
That is strange, this pilot was extremely experienced.... usually fly international routes.
yeah but its also engine fail warning
@@Aviator738 The engines were still working after hitting the runway, you can hear them spooling up as they started to go around. It seems almost certain the engines were fine before hitting the runway, but the damage caused them to lose power and ultimately stop completely.
It's a terrible tragedy. Everyone on board, their families, and loved ones are in my prayers. So sad.
That was soo close to make it and the runway but they lost it Inna lillahi wahinna ilyhi rajee un
اللہ بخشش فرمائے۔
Really a very tragic incident.....specially on this event of eid... we are already facing corona pandemic May Allah shower his blessings upon us ... Ameen.
Very chilling
Did they do Final Check on approach? Blackbox would tell us if they had tried putting gear down and the gear didnt deployed. ..
It's very strange that flight control tower did not see the first landing with landing gear not deployed, neither did the pilots.
ATC were asleep at the wheel.
Seems like a pilot error. They forgot to extend the landing gears and when they realised their error they took off again but they had already damaged the engines enough so that they only ran for 1-2 more minutes. You can breifly hear the warning alarm for the non extended landing gears at 0:44.
Yo dude ..i thought the same thing bro..i think the pilot scraped his engines cuz he didnt extend the landing gears and as he climbed the engines gave out ..he tried to glide back to the runway..
Times of ramadan it's hard to keep up your nerves intact may God-forgive and let's them to enter paradise
Bro that alarm was not mcas,, that alarm for "not landing down properly,",, and u can see alarm starts when he approach for landing ,,, and after engine were blown off,, they still have Ram wheel to provide electricity,,,,
Main reason is they are at low altitude with low speed,,
I don't think they forgot the landing gear...There should be an issue with the landing gear...Even if they did forgot the landing gear...You can hear the master caution sound the GPWS would have alerted the crew to climb up. They tried a belly landing...But why did they attempt a go around?
@@VigneshR-dq4md There is no logic to this. If they had known that they had a problem with the landing gear not being down, they would have contacted ATC and told them to prepair for an emergency landing before trying a belly landing. They didn't!
Horrific for everyone involved. Crew, passenger's and spectators. The decision to get airborn after engine scrape may have been a calculated gamble by the Captain: Reduce speed upon landing and hope to avoid runway overrun mishap OR go-around and hope damaged engines will not fail before second landing attempt. I think the Captain made the wrong choice...
That's is very close perception of what happened. Sad but more closer to reality and evidence in hand
@@monizeshan I wonder if First Officer Usman Azam would have done things differently (never a good move to overrule the Captain at the best of times, even more so in an emergency). Air Korea Flight 8509 is a case in point where the Captain lost spatial orientation, over banked his aircraft, stalled and crashed. Admittedly some of the equipment on his side may have been malfunctioning but that was not the case on the Co-pilots side. A lot of pilots in Asia begin their careers in the military and are fast tracked to Captaincy when they switch to commercial. A relatively young F/O would tremble at the thought of contradicting the Captain (there could be career repercussions). It's a cultural thing based on fear and respect that junior crew do not speak out of turn, seniority overrides everything. In the west the interaction between pilots regardless of rank is less tense with much more dialogue resulting in checklists being adhered to more often than not.
Seems like a chaotic cockpit from the beginning...I mean well before the first touchdown
Thanks for depicted on animation. Jazak Allah
Both first officer and captain ignored ATC when he said you are approaching too fast go for 180(go around) then co pilot said we are comfortable sir.... here they all made mistake ATC should force them to go and get speed lower for landing
So many times SOP violation.
May be we learn from these mistakes
Well R.I.P all the souls departed😢
Rip the both crew members and passenger ....sad for their families😓😓😢
the pilot hit both engines on the ground on his 1st attempt to land! Whats puzzling is why the landing gear wasnt deployed both the times, and didnt the pilot know he had hit the engines on the rn wa the first time? its so confusing
The pilots seems evasive and I don't see any real coordination or communication between them and ATC guys! They seemed to be on their own till the end! Also no mention of landing gear failure etc to ATC from pilots, it's strange!!
Well high on glidepath at 5 miles and gongs in the background....? Not a good start.
It is said that the pilot didn't changed its frequency to ATC and stayed with approach control all the time... but when the the aircraft lands and reaches the middle of runway , another voice apart from approach control emerges and says " Report reaching altitude 3500 " at 1:09, after pilot says "going around" ?
So did the control tower intercepted the frequency for a second ?
If the speed and altitude was not suitable for landing at the first attempt the ATC should not have allowed him for the land, ATC he should have call the pilot to go round.
had those landing gears not been deployed in the last seconds of the unpowered final approach they might have chance to slip thru passed over the residential buildings. those landing gears increased drag resulted in lost of speed, lift and altittude .
They couldn't have done anything else since it takes a while to Manually deploy them (thats what they did)
How can i pilot makes error for landing gear... most probably landing gear problem but he didnot communicate it...
Sounds like the pilot is not soo good at what hes doing
that alarm for " landing gear notdown properly," it's not mcas ,, and u can see alarm starts when he approach for landing ,,, and after engine were blown off,, they still have RAM wheel to provide electricity,,,,
Main reason is they are at low altitude with low speed,, on 2 approach
Rip
Is there any camera on the airport which records the landings on runway ???
Yes
0:43 Ding ding sound in the back ground indicating Gear Not deployed
Its also engine failure warning
Also Overspeed warning they were on 260kts.
Its engine failure warning 😞
@Aviator Not on first attempt. There was no communication about engine failure on first Pass. It could be either Overspeed or Gear. I would lean towards "Gear not deployed" warning
How does that warning arise ? Automatically ?
So sad to see, but the engines did well to get back off the ground and run for as long as they did after contact with the ground, he was so close perhaps a tighter turn and he would of made it.
Will be interesting to see all of the facts before pulling the trigger.
Rest in peace all who suffered.
Tighter turns cause loss of altitude & speed, both of which would be a problem by themselves - but also could well have stalled when the engines were struggling to provide thrust.
I believe that he did not want to land the plane in the first place after he realised the gears are not down he tried to do a round about (which is usually suggested in situations like these) but the plane was not able to attain the right speed and altitude and hence touched the ground
this is what I think..and Allahuwalam
0:31 and 0:42 landing gear alarm, probably nose gear.
0:57 the plain engines had just taken a hit and the landing gear was up at this point thus no alarm is beeping.
1:17 left engine stopped working (without any audio alarm??)
2:22 landing gear successfully deployed judging from the pilot's relief in tone. (but unfortunately if it's true this will add more drag to the plane)
2:35 lost both engines without any audio feedback from the plane???
2:40 pilot did his best from this point on wards and saved 2 lives. (dumping fuel may or may not have saved more or any lives at all)
May all the souls rest in peace. Ameen
Only FDR & FVR will show if they forgot to lower the landing gear altogether or they attempted to lower it at 260+ k/h but I just don't think they could have been going that fast so late in the approach.
I am from India very sorry for this tragic loss of life’s the only last good thing the government of Pakistan can do for the departed soul to have a impartial inquiry and punish the guilty
Two engines of airbus aircraft which is the best cannot go faulty all together poor ground maintenance
The Aircraft was fine I believe they might have damaged the engines when they abort the first landing engine surface pictures have gone viral where they were badly scratched by the first impact of abort landing..but wait and let the experts do thier job and give all the answers..
It appears when they went over runway first time it loo(s as if it was a aborted landing but they apparently actually touched down on the runway with the landing gear not down, which means they belly landed the first time but managed to get airborne again with two badly damaged engines. Then they could not maker it back to land. This is very odd that they got airborne after smacking ground with bottom of aircraft
@@salllu the landing gear's didn't open. That might be the fault of the maintenance crew. But as you said we should leave it to the investigators and not speculate on our own.
@@deltabeta5527 I'd disagree big time my friend Pakistan international Airlines have thousands of flaws and can't argue on that,but this particular Air Crash definitely falls under the bracket of pilot error according to the new development they were too "hot and high"for the landing approach and also both pilots were fasting....so I rest my case 🙏
So sad very sad almost made it.. my deepest condolences to the victims families and people on the plane and people on the ground.. very sad..... scary....... they say the airplane crashes comes in 3s. May Lord protect us all. AAMEEN
The pilot was established for an ils approach on 25L and atc tells him to turn heading 180 then atc didn't ask him for the reason for the go around??
I don't think atc ever asks for a reason why they chose to go around (unless there's an obvious problem), there seems to be a no-blame attitude towards pilots going around(even by the airline, despite it costing them more) - so pilots don't try to land when it's unsafe (going around is almost always the safer option)
atc also tries not to interfere too much, as it can distract the pilot.
@@DoubleMonoLR good reply.
Did the landing gear not deploy at all? Or it deployed but did not lock?
0:31 and 0:42 landing gear alarm (probably nose gear)
0:56 no alarm (landing gear retracted?)
The landing gear did not go down because of the speed and altitude, and when is does it self locks
@@ssg1885 ATC should never have let that plane land in the first place.
The crew said they were established on the ILS25L but at about 0:30 sec ATC confirms they are at 5 miles out at 3000 ft. Seems like a false glideslope capture... probably realized too late that they were too high and fast but tried to force it anyway by trying to lower the gear at the last moment. Why did the landing gear not deploy? Could be a number of reasons but quite possibly the pilot dove the aircraft as he realized he was high and speed increased above the threshold for landing gear extension... This is all just speculation...
Very poor communication seems like
that's sad R.I.P.
No borther no sure mechanical default may be
No, more likely the pilots didn't follow landing SOP.
@M. Emad No they didn't forget, it wouldn't operate because speed was too high.
Did they really forget to deploy landing gear or it got locked up.. As per atc conversations and animation looks like pilot deployed them late or he forgets...
Juan Brown's take on it seems to be that they hit the switch but were going too fast, so the computers didn't lower the gear. There are a lot of things that can go beep beep in an Airbus cockpit, some of them are for minor problems, and this isn't one anyone hears often. They could very well have just ignored the alarm, thinking they'd be on the ground in a minute and could sort it out afterwards.
@@bobjames6284 Yep didn't look like the plane was set up for landing.
@@bobjames6284 I totally agree... Hot and high for approach
A320 wouldn't allow landing gears in high and fast approaches... Totally disappointed with Pakistani management how they certified co pilots and pilots they are playing with the lives of people
@@dk-cr3jv - I'm just guessing, but it sounds like part of the problem was that ATC and the pilots weren't on the same page. ATC brought them directly towards the airport, planning to have them circle and lose altitude before coming in on final, and the pilots thought they were coming in direct, so when they hit the localizer they tried to drop fast, thinking they were fixing ATC's mistake having them at the wrong altitude. When ATC gave them a warning that they were too high, they thought he was just giving them information they already knew and didn't hear it as a warning, and when he gave them a turn, they ignored it because they were on final and already going the right direction. Maybe everyone was tired and going through the motions without paying enough attention to what the other was trying to do, or maybe having to speak English took up just a bit too much of everyone's attention. Just one of those shit shows where small misunderstandings compound and things go sideways as a result.
@@dk-cr3jv that pilot was a senior with 17000 hours
I want to hear all the conversation of cockpit from Lahore to Karachi. Looks like pilots were not in their right minds
Looks like you are a professional pilot
HiWetcam true
Those were fake pilot's
They hid there mistake and did not know what do do on a emergency landing see when the atc said manitain 3000ft then the atc said you are on 2000ft the pilot said just give me 2000ft I think he lost the the engines earlier and pretending he lost them now the engerniers who said this plane Is good to fly is an iddiot he probably found a faulty engine and just said forget about it that engineer should get sacked what a thick iddiot what a lost guy
At 0:20 ATC actually said "negative" (no, don't land now your speed and altitude isn't appropriate to land. Turn back and come again properly). In the video captions, it shows "roger" which isn't what he said.
0:40 suddenly after only 20 seconds ATC changed mind and gave permission to land. This is so weird.
On the first attempt, both plane engines crashed into the runway
Can someone tell me what is that warning sound at 0:44. It is clearly coming from the cockpit of 8303 and seems like they have a problem
Yes, It's Alarming Beeps (Ding Ding Ding Ding)
The Master alarm of the A320. Could be numerous issues, however in this case it was the landing gear. The alarm was to let the crew know they were about to attempt a landing with the gear retracted
Noted.... He said absolutely nothing about having gear up, making contact or scraping the runway!
Wonder if they met flight crew currency & SIM / PC requirements after sitting idle for two months?
At 0.44 you can hear the alarms of landing gear problem, then why still pilot prefered to continue approach. 2nd thing why ATC did not inform pilot that landing gear is not down?
Nika Munda yea exactly. Isn't the atc able to see all planes from where they are sitting at? This is very strange
Exactly my point. Maybe the pilot realised late
ATC had tried before to tell the pilots that things were wrong but the pilots ignored it. That was before the start of this video, check other videos.
@@mike786551 they are and they do have to say if there is something worng with the plane to the pilot
So sad, but I have a question, why do reports advise "The PIA's engineering department reported that the last thorough maintenance check on the plane was conducted on 21 March" - Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought aircraft that operated in desert conditions were supposed to be reviewed slightly more often, like once a month? - this was the aircrafts 6th flight since entering lockdown for Coronavirus, so my guess is the aircraft was inspected while in lockdown, and then started flying recently again, to have this happen. So in other words, chance to have issues from parts that stayed untouched for more than a few weeks on the ground straight, without having another full inspection before starting its flights again was disastrous.
Thorough maintenance are usually a few weeks apart, pre and post flight checks are a routine SOP. Pakistan is not a desert country, just some parts of it are and this flight was flying to and from non-desert cities.
@@GeoRover Interesting, I would have thought it was from almost all media I see showing more Desert like areas, from our 40,000ft death from above chaos raining down, to even other recent events, I can't think of seeing any forests or whatnot, but then again our media may only select the most desolate, sparse looking areas to really show over and over again, and not show us any lush forests lol :P ty.
@@plasmaburndeath Not sure where you are from, but main stream media everywhere in the world is all about negativity. Linking a quick preview of what to expect of Pakistan, and not to mention countless vLogs from westerners who travel there that you can search on UA-cam. Check these videos out for starters:
ua-cam.com/video/CgSQe64SP6c/v-deo.html . Add this one:ua-cam.com/video/DHnHpHkwqs4/v-deo.html
With all the witnesses, no one told ATC about the landing gear? ✈️👀
Rip to all on 8303....
Pilot must have been having warning alarm sounds BEFORE he attempted lowering the landing gear.
So he did not differentiate the landing gear alarm from alarms that were already sounding.
This is an edited version of voice recording released out of the box by CAA. The survivor told in his interview the after go around where plane first time failed to land on runway, there was a 15 mins time gap when the plane was in air. Suppose his rough estimate was a guess of 15 mins and even we reduce the time the conversation might took up at least 8 to mins and the voice recording is edited and cutted version. Hint: @ 2:43 how the ATC tower asking for belly landing? while the pilot didnt inform any fault of landing gear.
This a compressed timeline version of the ATC conversation, not edited. Nothing was edited out in this video. This is to demonstrate sequence of events and where the plane could have been. Any aviation enthusiast would know what’s going on here and also time wise.
The ATCO recording starts after the initial botched touchdown. Would like to know why the complete recording is not made public. The National TV channels are now saying that the CVR has gone missing.
How can you say that this is not complete?
Did the tower know that they were belly landed after go around? at 2:54
They probably lost hydraulics as well..
@@BAZZAROU812 They had hydraulics, the RAM automatically descended to provide electricity & hydraulic power. The plane looked in control when it crashed, but had lost thrust so was gliding at that point.
As ATC asked if they would be belly landing on the 2nd attempt, they almost certainly knew they had scraped the runway on the 1st attempt (large marks have since been found on the runway)
@@DoubleMonoLR Yes the Tower likely thought that the gear was inoperative at that point and that they would try again with no gear but lower airspeed and earlier touchdown.
But now the pilots have lowered the gear and they want to try second time with gear but with no engines....
in 2918 a A320 commence a tear drop profile and made it back..
'Roger' for a clear to land clearance...
Rest In Peace.
My thoughts to the families ans friends.
Thanks for this video.
We won't know until we have the whole picture of what happened with the investigation.
It seems to me the crew lost situational awareness during the flight, leading to a high approach,high airspeed and subsequent go around after striking ground.
I had the honour to meet the Captain Sajjad Gul in year 2012 in London he was a real gem of a person very jolly...may his soul rest in peace....I am not aviation expert but did the PK8303 miss the first approach on what reason?and then they decided to go around?what was the reason they missed the first approach in the first place?was it they were flying too high or fast?had they not the missed the first approach this crash wouldn't have happened 😓🙏
They missed lowering the landing gears. You can hear the warning sound at 0:44 for this. They then damaged both engines when they touched the runway. The engines only worked for a minute or so before they stopped.
@@mickejohansson7054 if they had crashed landed there many life could have been saved....
@@umairtufail9654 Yes, but the pilot had to make a split second decision and I think that most people instictively would have done the same thing as the pilot.
@@mickejohansson7054 i think it is the fault of civil aviation as they should have seen the entire senario at the run way through cameras and they should have directed pilot to crash land as he had rubbed the plane on the ground and maybe a little mistake of the pilot....actually they had very weak communication...which i think is the real cause
Landing gear probably wasn't deployed. Both engines struck the runway causing failure.. So they probably also lost hydraulics soon after on the go around . That's why the tower ask about a belly landing.. He assumed they lost hydraulics for the landing gear..Sadly it was probably a dead stick in the final moments.. RIP
*Bounce and go* - It only works if the engines are above the wings. #SMH
Pilot error, very sad.
RIP 😔
Why aren't actual radar data available?
Sad rip Amen 🙏🏻.
This is the voice of co-pilot from beginning to end...
So from the start of this video looks like pilot gives the chance to co-pilot to land as we know the copilot was not that much experienced his name Usman ignored the warning from Atc 3 times... Came down without wheels scratched both engines then flew up..
I have heard from my sources that in PIA pilots have don't care attitude.. They do the things on their own like they are owing everything... Shame on such of pilots and management..
There should be a proper verification for every pilot in Pakistan now their degrees their training their mental health should be verified on international level
He opened the landing gears but there was a problem with landing gears due which ding ding ding noise was coming at 0:43 but ignored by Pilots. ATC should ask about landing gear functionality. There should be no noise of Ding Ding Ding Ding at 0:43 if he would forget to open the landing gears.
Usually the one flying the plane is NOT the one communicating with ATC...
My heart is 😢
Pilot was very cool ..
0:44 warnings in cockpit can be clearly heard. something went wrong the moment they landed.... warnings are too obvious to ignore
The early reports are that the crew were talking about the Coronavirus and were just ignoring the alarms. The alarm heard is the master alarm letting them know the landing gear was not down.
A lot of people are aviation's accidents experts before even having the whole information in the comments...
Ik it really frustrates me.
They don't know how hard it is and it's not easy to fly an aeroplane just because you want something a certain way doesn't mean it is gonna happen I don't think he wanted to land in the first place but the plane did not achieve the right speed and altitude to take off
AirCraft came only once on the runway and touched the ground due to problem in landing gears and this conversation is before bally landing and alarming beeps 0:43 of AirCraft are indicating that there is some problem in the landing gears at 0:43 which are ignored by the Pilot and Air Traffic Controller also failed to assure that Landing gears are functioning properly before permitting to land, due to which engines touched the ground and ultimately failed during 2nd attempt to reach runway so crashed.
even the pikot reaction was great..he do not get frightened.over knewing that he was going to killed.. a moment before crashed his voice was great..mean amazable..
Is this yours own?
What do you mean? If you mean that I created this inference animation video, then YES. It also says it in the beginning of this video (My name is Nasir Aziz)
Rest in peace to those who died.
Landed with gear up scraping of the engines woke them up ....
He opened the landing gears but there was a problem with landing gears due which ding ding ding noise was coming at 0:43. ATC should ask about landing gear functionality. There should be no noise of Ding Ding Ding Ding at 0:43 if he would forget to open the landing gears.
PIA 8303 came in at too high an altitude and speed, so the landing gear could not deploy. This was not a mechanical problem.
Highly likely he scaped his both engines on the runway. As described by the survivor Muhammad Zubair he heard loud bangs on 1st try.
My confusions:
1. if pilots knew about the landing gear issue for the first time? why did he go around?
2. why ATC didn't tell them about them hitting their engines?
3. ATC seems to be suggesting belly landing? that means he knew about landing gear issue?
Pls, correct me if I am wrong?
The landing gear did not open because of speed and altitude when this happens the pilots are taught to do a round about but in this case the plane touched the ground which caused the major disaster he didn't want the plane to touch or land but the plane didn't manage to attain the right speed and altitude atc and pilot both have the control on knowing what is happening to the pilot told them about the gear issue and then later also about engines and in cases like these belly landing is the only option when engine and gear have failed
Why they flew again second time after landing once???
Whats app Videos Landing Gear was not down.
@@bostonshekhar - and every pilot's first instinct is to pull up when things stop making sense. If they didn't realize their gear was up, all that banging and scraping had to be one helluva surprise.
The plane has to be stable on the ground and able to stop on the remaining runway length. If anything is wrong about that, landing is unsafe, thus the aircraft should then abort the landing; that is called "go-around". This can happen even after touching the ground, but that is risky.
@@bobjames6284 That surely must have been a difficult landing. Plane bounced supposedly 3 times before taking of again. As of now there is no mention whether they were aware about the landing gear malfunction. Do you have any source where they inform ATC about the landing gear problem? If so, please do share the link.
My conclusion is that the pilot panicked when he was running out of space in the runway, decided to pull up instead of engaging reverse thrust to put the aircraft on stop. This cost all the lives aboard that doomed plane. Besides, both engines already touched the runway and sustained damage, there was no way he can successfully perform a go around.
Mayday mayday mayday pakistan 8303
My thoughts are that the pilots were too complacent and didn't have enough concern for flight issues. ✈️👀
Pilot error for sure, unbelievable mate, all PIA pilots needs to be investigated and retrained...
Why did ATC ask about belly landing?
When pilot said they lost engines, ATC assumed belly landing.
@@Abdul-jd2em Losing the engines doesn't require having to belly land. They actually had the gear down on the 2nd attempt anyway. It's likely atc were aware that they had scraped the runway(with gear up) on the 1st attempt, so assumed there was a gear problem.
Most likely looks like pilot error. They did Land the first time at a very high speed which prevented the landing gears from coming out, thus causing the alarm, which they totally failed to understand. The videos on the second landing clearly show the gears were out, as they should be because they were at a much slower speed by then. So like the other guy here said, the atc did see them doing the belly landing and rightfully assumed that there was a gear problem, which ofcourse there wasn't
Aircraft crashed in my town just about 40 to 50 metres away from my home :(
Wow.. Buy a lottery ticket.. Luckily you were spared.. 👍
I'm so sorry for what your going through. I hope your with loved ones.
In my town mostly people who lives are engaged with the same airline and mostly of them are retired from same airlines.. almost 90 percent of towns population is engineer and pilots who used to serve for them.. by the grace of god we are safe but the next street wasn't that much luckier
@@muhammadhassam2541 u live in Jinnah Garden, Model Colony?? I live adjacent in Malir Cantt. Went to that place today
Just just behind the streed it falls @Ash Khan
I believe that they never checked to make sure all three landing gear were working. Upon landing they realized that they belly landing making them go around. The damage was already done.
Coz, we have bunch of incompetent pilots in PIA.