Argenti's problems are.. nonexistent.. (I was wrong)
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2023
- this is day one impressions, but to play devil's advocate here Argenti has to be this strong, because hoyo already dug the ditch too deep.. (destruction characters)
#argenti #honkaistarrail
Literally everyone dooms on literally every new character that comes out. It's basically expected tbh.
Its called the pros and cons
@@razergarcia6323L
@@razergarcia6323nah it's called being an ass
That or they're hyped to the moon, no in-between
@@Knucklebreakingwhats up jing yuan
he even has smart auto A.I. as a fellow auto user I was shocked, on elites and bosses even with 1 or 2 adds, he priortizes saving up his energy till Ult lvl 2 before use, but on lowly non-elite/non-boss encounters he blasts away based on if his damage can secure a kill on 2 or more ...
i noticed this when doing Calyx farming he would spam his Ult lvl 1 , 1 shotting entire waves of 3-5 mobs every time, and then farming for his Acension materials with 1 or 2 mobs (elite bosses) he was saving up his energy to lvl 2 Ult before unleashing.... I saw all of this while doing nothing because it was his smart auto A.I. doing everything for me.
I'm glad I expected this, I pulled him for his Ascension Material Auto-Farming potential. It's so good lol
I wish the AI of other characters are as good as his. My Pela and Gepard always spams their skills whenever they can, even when the enemy is immune to ice damage and has no removable buffs.
OMG SO TRUE!!!!
I don't have him so I use the support characters option and borrow him.
I'm pleasantly surprised.
Sw AI could never 🤭🫣
As a fellow auto user more so for Calyx farming, I noticed the same thing. Was waiting for him to just go crazy on his ult once it filled. But the AI on him actually waits until it's full. Then when it's just random ads, he pretty much spams his ult.
He's a really insanely good character even on auto. XD
Argenti seems so fun and convenient to use! I'm really torn between him and Ruan Mei.
props to you for admitting you were wrong
I think the most pleasant surprise was his auto AI being smart when farming/grinding.
Maybe I'll grab him on a rerun, but I'm saving for Ruan Mei.
wtf is wrong with you. Dr. ratio is more valuable.
Yeah, hes great but I do want ruan mei more
same
his ai isn't smart, it ults on 1st level ;_;
@@FilipZiokowskiTieM what content are you running? People are saying when an elite or boss is present, the AI saves for lv 2 ult. When just farming for relics or stuff, he uses lv 1.
I am not pulling for him so I have no clue D:
Argenti's playstyle in 2 words: Simply effective
I'm surprised at how easy to fill up that ult bar. with Huo Huo amd Tingyun especially
A lot of people were sleeping on him. I thought he was going to be strong regardless because of how his ultimate works. If i didnt have Clara or Sushang, maybe i wouldve tried for him, maybe next time tho. AI for him is pretty smart surprisingly, so pretty good auto character if you care about that. Not personally my type of character, but congrats to the people that got him and good luck to the people rolling for him
Hot take: most of the Erudition characters aren't bad, they just have bad match-ups with recent MOC 10's. Jing Yuan has similar back loaded damage to Argenti, the problem is that recent MOCs aren't weak to lightning and CC (which can be dealt with a cleanser).
So... they are bad?
Dude.
@@tarkovsky97 outside of Quantum units, every dps does worse when they aren't against enemies weak to their kit. Also EVERY MOC is tailored towards newer characters so it of course they'd look better atm.
@@Knucklebreaking except JL i IlDh
@@tarkovsky97 Except JL and DHIL. Destruction in general is still the most op path they work anywhere.
That's not even entirely true either, herta has been eating with all the ice weak enemies in moc 10 for like 3 patches in a row at this point, and I think a lot of people are catching on to the fact that she's way better than people initially thought her to be. Qingque had a late stage pr campaign that pushed her to around the same level as seele in a lot of people's minds, and just like with ice there has been no shortage of quantum weak enemies either. Himeko doesn't really show up in every moc 10, but when she does she performs phenomenally, like in moc 10 for 1.2 and 1.4, and she also benefits a lot from the new fua set. Jing yuan honestly doesn't even lag in damage compared to the other limited dps characters, he mostly just has shortcomings in teambuilding rigidity and susceptibility to cc, but there really haven't been much crowd control sources in the recent mocs either.
I like pulling the underdogs most people are skipping. Argenti came home with 50 pulls.
Tested him with Bronya, HuoHuo and Tingyun and was surprised how quick his ults come back.
Did you try an er rope for the lols?
@@LeftyPencil oh yes. He basically just spams his little ults non stop with that 😁
Fun now with break HMC too.
I’m just revisiting all content creators who doubted me. 🌹 I told you so
You did 😊
Rizzgenti
why dont you wanna come home
Wild build idea.
Break effect Argenti(with Thiefs relics) for Kafka comp, and perhaps a future other character. Each toughness break Argenti does also gains him 3 energy(from each enemy broken?). Which may in certain situations give him enough energy back to ult again, and break again.
A thing I noticed while farming for upgrade materials, for Argenti, with Argenti, is that he could pretty much keep doing his ult each and every round. It certainly made ideas around this fact of him being able to ult so often, and that he's physical, one of the best break effects damage and dots.
I won my 50/50 and got him today! Loving his playstyle so far. Definitely agree on his energy regen (though I still don't think an ER rope is a bad idea).
I'm kinda torn on the powercreep, because on the one hand I hate powercreep in general, but on the other, I'm glad this beautiful man is cracked, especially after so many people doomposting about him.
The zest knight is kinda cracked like what the heck. I just shrugged him off until I tested him on my friend’s account Jesus Christ.
"Zest Knight" lmao
But yeah his Ult seemed like a generic AoE until you realize it bounces and can be a delete button against single bosses. His kit and playstyle are so nice I love it
@@cheyanne2001But we already knew that. It was literally explained in the livestream last month and in the text of his ult, which we've had for a bit now.
@@itsaUSBline I haven't had time to watch the stream or read his kit until I got him lol. Well, at least it's known he's not mid. The doom posting had me worried
He also goes well with Luocha because he can use his ultimate so frequently, meaning he can on-command trigger Luocha’s healing field when you’re in a difficult position.
I had everything ready to max Argenti and all his traces, and he does so much damage my lord.
I'm also going to hit 300 on the character selector once the week resets and I can get the free warp from Sim U, so I'm definitely getting a Bronya. My Blade and Argenti are gonna do so much damage.
“In order to encourage getting lots of characters, we will make all characters broken and extremely viable.”
-Hoyoverse, probably
yah and this thing kinda makes the game casual friendly ,
@@potatopcgamer739 It's both nice and terrible. I like that every new character is viable. But at the same time powercreep can be dangerous. Although we aren't feeling it's effects now, it will eventually reach a point where it starts making characters obsolete and not viable especially if they're going to start increasing MoC difficulty like the recent MoC. Also terrible for the wallet :(.
@@apachers2807 honestly u loose one star in moc 10 but get 4 extra stars in 11 and 12 so its a win even if we loose , also the game already became like genshin and no one cares about moc anymore
He's super good. Any support that can boost speed or energy further mitigates any ER issues plus him being phys is in itself incredibly valuble.
HAHA I always sain this beuty is ETERNAL !!!
I already got him at first hour after I just want more hanya Eidolon and now I have E2 argenti 🤡
I do like his companion quest although i wish there was more to it, for now he is truly a filler character lol
i bet he'll be a part of the main story at some point, but he'll act like he has never met us Q_Q
@@shai2137well..
Uh oh, hes turning into mtashed!
was literally shocked af when my level 70 support Argentina hits 120k with only a bronya skill up it was 5 enemies on feild tho but still better than my level 80 fully geared Jing Yuan
aw I didn't know ur not one of the hoyoverse puppet creators xD ... right, well in honor of that like and subscribe instantly
Now I can look forward to future Erudition character and his scaling is absurd, you can use ER Rope on him if he's heavily buffed.
great video man. i recently pulled for argenti and sw for my two teams, so im at argenti, hanya, bronya (will replace with tingyun once i get her), huohuo. and for my second team it's qq, sw, lynx, and either fire mc or asta. do u think i should still pull for dr. ratio and replace qq in my 2nd team or save for ruan mei? im ar 53 and i recently just unlocked moc, just cant do it rn cus i need to level all my new chars
you look like you have alot of supports, getting a dps might be better than getting another support
tho idk, i gotta admit ruan mei is broken
im personally going for dr ratio
Well I commented on every video I saw ranking him last in this patch. 😂 I knew what's up... My perception changed after Kafka released
I was worried bc I wanted him but I have only 2 limited 5* dps and JingYuan sadly isn’t as strong as I’d like. With similar builds and weapon, Argenti was doing decent nukes. I was pleasantly surprised!!
Surprised me too. His big ult is bonkers, pair him with Tingyun and Huohuo if you have her and he ults so much
I got him in 2 pulls. Not mad. Will play him
This video has convinced me to get Argenti
For anybody wondering what kind of teams you should have for him its pretty simple. Any abundance unit (preferably Huohuo if you pulled for her, Tingyun, any other support (Asta is very good, so you can have more speed for him, but the best in slot option is is Bronya) and then Argenti himself. Should get you your ult pretty quickly with this set up.
I lended a friend s Argenti. Used Tingyun+Huohuo+bronya . His ult charged soooo fast and the dmg was nuts (2 ults enemy down) . And his build wasn't even optimal with Himiko weapon. I right away pulled on his banner and won 50/50 lol
Only thing that sucks about him is the lack of an Erudition path in SU for now
Good Video
I use both Hanya and Tingyun to get both energy and attack
I want to pull for all of these characters because they keep making them better and stronger and needed in a sense, but my issue is and im sure a lot of our issues are too many great characters to build at once and not enough free pulls to go around which is a good and a bad problem to have... if anything ill grab some of them the next time around.
So Argenti is like Topaz & Numby, doom-posted to mid, but actually a diamond in the rough?
Definitely a character. I too now fight for and as the knights of beauty. :)
Erudition jumps the hunt with Argenti but both still get dusted by Dan IL and jingliu
Argenti is not far behind at all
thats because there hasn't been any new hunt characters lol- Dr ratio would probably make the hunt path stronger again.
@@Isakkito be fair though, Ratio feels a lot more like Nihility+Elation than a purely hunt character, only real thing making him hunt is the same thing making Topass hunt (ST)
he looks ok but youd have to play him with topaz to get the most out of him@@Isakki
@@huejanus1333no he needs sw, not topaz
topaz needs him, he doesn't neeed her
We can use a trial version of him in the new event. And if I was saving for a Kafka rerun I probably would have got Fuckboy Knight-...I meant Argenti
Btw he also crits his hits with 10crit rate from his crit buff😂
He's my fav character in terms of design but i lost 50/50😢
Now im probably gonna save for either Ruan Mei or Kafka.
I underestimated his damage for sure
I mean I don’t see the reason for bashing him before release tbh. Hoyo did a good job when designing his kit in being elite and Aoe and multi wave content and underwhelming the less ennemies there are. People just had their expectation too high ever since JL and DHIL release. And although I don’t like him he is a perfectly designed character and he have the most fitting kit for a erudition unit imo.
I'm only TR 33 with shit builds but on a three star relic set and a four star lc he has his burst up every round. Quick question though, I have Tingyun leveled, but I'm not sure who else to run with him. I have Welt, Asta, and Pela leveled
You can run him with basically any support character. Though, characters that give strong buffs for short durations work better because of his bursty playstlye while building ult.
If you're asking between those three characters I'd say Asta, the extra spd helps with getting ult, and the atk will boost his ult dmg.
Though, I'd personally reccomend the free Yukong you get from completing stage 1 of the Luofu forgotten hall. Her buffs are crazy strong, and will only need to be up before you use his ult.
Argenti has Mainly ONE BIG problem: Ruan Mei
Should I use lynx or Bailu? ( I have bailu’s signature too btw )
I tried to get Huo Huo on the last day of he's banner and I was at 73 petty, I couldn't keep playing cause I need It to sleep, and the day after Argenti was there, and then I got enough for another wish, and I was like, If I get him with this I'll mentaly oof my self, and I got him, and I hate It That cause could of got Huo Huo, and allredye had Yin Yuan, but I give him a chance and.... OH MY GOD DEAMNLORD!!!!, For the first time in a year I did up to 80 or 60k! And I didn't even got more then 20, NEVER. I only hasve Yukong as a harmoni character (Asta those not count (even if She's good)) but sence I know how to use her properly, when everything is set up, It feels like magic with th damage he those 🤤 and that's just at level 60, very very soon at 70 (he'll be the first at t level 70).
Yeah the game yeeted my Huo Huo. I did 1 multi for Argenti today and actually got him. He is precious, I'm actually glad I failed to pull HuoHuo. I have Luocha and Bronya anyway.
I literally got him on the 4th pull because I wanted a Hanya and I had pulled for Huohuo. I was so happy as a husbando collector.
the only one he needs is tingyun so he can ult constantlym without it he ults too slow
I got lucky with Argenti's banner I manage to S5 geniuses impose along side him and a copy of Hanya
I got him while trying to get a Hanya ... Mistakes were made. I guess now time to build him T.T
I pulled for him and thought I got em, but got Clara and Hanya instead
When I was pulling for him I got the World Clamor s4… and I won him.
I feel like he is going to be like eula
I got silver wolf and wanted to get hanya, so i did a 10-pull on argenti banner... aaaaand i got him by accident
I got Argenti... Now I just need Tingyun...
Argenti imo is in a solid spot. playing him feel strong, ease of use and can cover single target. He also encourage using support as his dmg is backloaded on ultimate.
What people doesn't look into argenti is that his big dmg frequency is paced out compare to JL and IL. So in actuality, his overall dmg is more similar to blade while having less min max n execution (the hp updown stuff to bare in mind) than blade. Overall i think mihoyo did good on argenti kit. pretty balance
Still saving up for ruan mei, however broken argenti are, ruan mei still the first priority cuz of first limited harmony ever release and the most important thing is "waifuable", maybe i will get him on rerun if he don't get powercreep 😂
Who?
@@michielmanders9766 The one who's about to possibly dethrone Bronya
@@apachers2807 No I meant who asked? Nobody is interested in some random anonymous persons pulling plans.
if blade doesn't rerun in the next patch i'll probably pull for argenti for a dps upgrade from my free 4 star carry.
Blade is said to run in the next patch or one after I forget
Blade is suppose to be next banner but idk if true
Blade and kafka is on next version pretty sure
Blade gets rerun next. :)
When yall think DHIL coming back ? I want his E2
I got him cuz gamba addiction
For his talentm its every enemy hit not every time. So if you hit a mob of 5, you're getting 5 stacks right from using your skill.
This is the first thing he said.
@@joshuacooper6713 Oh I thought he was asking for verification on wether it was everytime his skill is used or or how many times it hit.
He seems pretty solid too bad I can’t go for him on alt or main
Ofc you were wrong people think erudition is ass but they are always wrong jing yuan legit is same as Kafka in rankings like idk why people suit on erudition
Stop trying to make me pull! I am not gonna pull 😭😭
Maybe a 10pull…
I have guarantee for 5 star after losing my 3rd 50/50 in a row on HuoHuo banner. Gonna wait for Ruan Mei, or at least till livestream to see what we will get in next banner.
Not a fun of Argenti, cause he is too simple and brings nothing new to my gameplay. Plus I struggle to even level my older characters and their traces to finally get 30 stars in MOC, so new DPS will not gonna help with that.
I got him in 40 pulls all i wanted was hanya
1:01 who is ‘ching’?
Us Argentie enjoyers be EATING🍽🍞🍞🍽
ill be honest wanted argenti because i like hot red headed men and knigbts with prince charming vibes and i will build him because hes gonna make my team unstoppable!
Everyone play with the Like button
I pulled him when people were saying to go for ratio instead and then suddenly everyone who said he was shit is like "lmao actually he's pretty cracked" which i wholeheartedly agree because why'd he fucking immediately beat my well-built blade by hitting 230K damage at times with mid artifacts
Me.guranteed but i need more dr ratio ahahhshs
I've wanted him before we even knew he was good, beautiful knights are my jam, but I gotta be strong for a quantum support and better Kafka friends. Some fun pessimism: watch Ruan Mei be the worst harmony, just to make the "skip argenti for RM" people feel even worse.
TBH dont trust Private Server Numbers since its not realistic to get those stats original farming ,,, so I prefer original account review more than privates
I just threw a 10 pull I had saved up to see if I got either Hanya or Linx... I got the Rizz Knight and Hanya in the same pull... I was at 20 pity since HuoHuo :|
Lucky you haha, I pulled for Hanya and got argenti at 36 pity, but no hanya, hope she comes home :D
same bro! i was just trying to get 1copy of hanya so i decided to do 10pull, 0 pity since huohuo then bam, i got both hanya and argenti lol
@@erwingallaron7743 Gotta say, this Argenti luck feels like encountering him in Simulated Universe.
Wonder how his LC is for QQ
Bad. QQ isn't ult dependent.
For me, it's good enough. I've tried in MOC 10 against swarm with Qingque - Bronya - Tingyun - Fu Xuan. For ultimate, I got highest damage 169k full buff and full enemies, average on 60-70k and it's pretty consistent.
Edit: LC still level 66
Argenti is solid but you need ER bot like Tingyun or Huo Huo, maybe there’s gonna different elements of him that also has 180 Energy Cost on Ult, then his signature LC is justified otherwise always choose Jing Yuan’s LC or the battle pass one cause versatility
If u can afford a 5* why wouldnt people should pull it. And there are people who wont swap sign lc for other chars.
@@alexzee4356 I’m just saying the potential of Argenti’s LC for future Erudition characters, of course you can always use signature LC on that signature character, it’s your game
His kit is so basic but effective XD
"ZORG you are going to regret not rolling for Argenti"
Seeing that Argenti possesses a p0n0s, that is completely false. But I will acknowledge that he is quite strong.
This also happens a lot in Genshin. I’m happy you admitted you were wrong, but I really wish we can all just stop assuming characters are bad when they aren’t even released yet. Never forget that dumbass theory crafters swore that kazuha was gonna suck ass
It is a gacha game, obviously limited characters 95% of the time won't be bad, they will at least be average.
My only issue with the knight of the beauty is that his gameplay lacks depth...
Though ones missing a good damage dealaer can for sure use him
Nah not overturned. People just surprise that he is actually good after calling him mid before even released. Unlike mid yuan when he got hype
Dude. HSR players should understand that "powercreep" is not the thing in Hoyoverse games. Just like in genshin impact, all the characters are viable and the only characters that got powercrept are standard banner 5*. Moreover the genshin's biggest problem is that they have the set of 4* characters that were there at release and arguably on the same lvl with many 5*. HSR didn't make this mistake and also as we can see none of the characters got powercrept as well. Seele still viable. Some characters might be easier to build, but that's not power creep.
Search HI3 DPS comparison and you'll know that you objectively wrong.
@@mrdeafter Tbf HI3 has a lot of years, it was inevitable that something like that happen.
"powercreep is not the thing in Hoyoverse games" but then proceeds to say "characters that got powercrept are standard banner 5*".... make it make sense bro
Speak as yanqing and bailu doesnt exist. And for premium 5* kafka powercreeping jingyuan on lightning coverage. If youre not admitting got jingyuan got powercrept by kafka. Ur coping as sh or you only have jingyuan and not kafka. Ur speaking it for now coz there are multiple roles and element and were not year 1 on HSR. Once every element will have their path. A power creep will begins.
@@CalibanElZar yeah but when it happened the new Valkyrie literally left every single unit in the dust like....bro when HotV came out she literally completely and utterly outclassed everyone and deal 3-4 times the damage of the best DPS of that time and she's a fast agile range unit lol after that the same exact thing happened when HoR and HoT came out
not to sound like an asshole.
but i knew everyone was wrong about him before hand. everyone calling him mid or low tier but hes literally better than seele with a 4star lightcone. you dont even need huohuo to run him as a hyper-carry either. hes just that fucking stacked
Chupa
gachasmack is more honest. He's not obligated by hoyoverse to sell their product and is honest on who you should pull for. It''s why he says do not pull for argenti or silverwolf.
See this is the biggest problem in HSR community. This character is not broken by any means. Overhyping him before an actually broken banner (Ruan Mei) is not an okay move mostly because he will fall down as soon as Hoyo debuts another destruction character. Besides, he literally needs TY and Bronya to work. That's not how you should play this game. You should never have two "must have" supports to make one character work. Never. It sets a very bad precedent. Yes, this game is ~fairly easy and can be cleared on auto, but forcing one playstyle to make just one phys damager somewhat manageable is just not it .
People like you said the exact same thing for neuvillette in genshin, and got instanly pissed of when they saw his insane strenght.🙄🙄
Hope you change your mind in the future man...
this video is so copium. hes only good in aoe
Strange, I wonder what the Erudition units are for?
he is bad at breaking weakness bars, otherwise he is cracked af
His ult depletes 150 toughness bar. How is that bad?
that's what Hanya and soon Ruan are for. Hanya being the same element as him and wanting to priortize spamming her skill helps against those weakness bars, and Ruan well... you will all see how she is for weakness break effeciency, team wide speed and damage buffs.
He is bad? Tell me you don't have him without telling me.
He’s actually one of the best breakers in the game 😂
He's still mid and as basic as it gets, even though he looks cool
I still don't get why people keep saying his kit is basic and boring when literally every dps does it.
JY skill, skill then ult if you have energy
DHIL triple skill then ult
Seele skill skill then Ult
Kafka skill skill then Ult
Jingliu skill until you get the state then ult
like bro how is any of that different
???
Still not as boring as "Use E two times, get free stats"
Yer just saying that cause he isn't a waifu
@@DoPe-ps1bf I mean a lot of characters can be dumbed down to be boring if that's what your judging them on. (I do agree Jing Liu is not as fun as other characters) Follow up//DOT teams make the game far more enjoyable than hypercarry IMO
@@JDCSMArgenti’s kit doesn't have any complexities to it that could be taken advantage of. Think of it like Yu-Gi-Oh. The more words on the card, the more broken it tends to be. That's because there becomes more than one way to use the card. And there ends up being crazy unpredictable combos you can pull off with that. Argenti has no complexity.
so he's good af and also looks like howl but red haired??? broken mf
Every HSR/Genshin creator doom posts every single character before release for clicks…its tiring 🥱