Panel on the Nature of Fundamental Reality moderated by Deepak Chopra
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2015
- www.scienceandnonduality.com/
A panel with Edward Frenkel, Bernardo Kastrup, Menas Kafatos, Julia Mossbridge and facilitated by Deepak Chopra.
For centuries philosophers and scientists have debated on the nature of fundamental realityand also the mind body problem and the origins of consciousness.
• Is the mind what the brain does or is the brain what the mind does?
• How does the solution of this problem affect the nature of our understanding of the cosmos?
• Is fundamental reality material or mental or both or neither?
• If a dualistic worldview is no longer tenable as most now believe then what monism seems more likely - physicalist or non-physicalist?
• How does this pertain to current views on the interpretation of quantum mechanics, Big Bang, eternal inflation, standard model of physics, the nature of dark matter and dark energy?
• Why is it important to understand these ideas and how is this relevant to the future of life on our planet and the future evolution of the universe?
The panel will present divergent world-views and try and come to an understanding that seems reasonable and rational and reconciles science, philosophy, and spirituality.
Edward Frenkel is an extraordinary gift to humanity with astounding openness to discuss arts/literature and science while feeling the subjectivity of deep pain in childhood. Listen!
It is impossible for "mind" to understand Consciousness. Consciousness understands itself.
He uses mind and consciousness interchangibly. In his lingo mind doesent mean brain
Amazing Discussion
A shame they didnt invite Tom Campbell or at least read his My Big TOE trilogy.
Hi. Yeah I've watched Calgary and thought it to be pretty good to say the least; that was pretty much the start of my search but having moved on from there in regards to entanglement in which there is no signal or transmission time from two objects and is an instantaneous communication which I am lead to believe is proven; the way I see that is that it is infinitely faster than light or light is infinitely slower. So has physics shown that physics is infinite in its own nature and then that said or the case how can there be a blob of the infinite within infinity and for me it must be of the infinite and infinity itself; just as the very first particle of all time and of all infinity had to have arose from infinity which must be a something ( something from nothing ) and it makes more sense for there to be nothing ever than there to be infinity which has to be a must and if there is infinity which is obviously the case...Also I think there is only two true theories which have to be a must; and a lot of people would say there is only one truth and that is I think therefor I am ( I think therefor I exist ) and that is true but also the other absolute is infinity. And again the metaphor of the very first object/particle of all time tells me that this is a manifestation of that existence which could be described as infinity. Regards
andrew judge there's no way to understand infinity in a linear sense as the way our brand decodes reality, because as QM demonstrates there's no space-time, so there's no space to be infinite, its just a subjective 3d construct. So speed, mass, velocity, gravity, time etc all these classical notions have no meaning outside of a linear experience we are having, science is just a tool for a logic to realize that which eventually will lead us to discovering our true nature.
I think we are on the same page really and I'm possibly defending our true nature; after all QM says there isn't any objects so where does it all begin and end and that said where does our consciousness begin and end. Thanks iwb...
andrew judge if you are asking for my opinion, it all begins at the singular source of our being which we all are. No matter the appearance everybody is the same source of life. The One consciousness shattered itself into the infinite number of fragments, which based on a holographic principle, is the playmate potentially equal to the original One, like in a hologram each piece contains the whole, but the smaller the piece the worse the clarity of the original hologram. Being within the One we are connected to it and to one another, but on this low level of existence we cannot perceive the connection, but if you go deeper within yourself consciously you will get closer to the source, you are it, we are all it.
@@anllpp imo all that ever exists is manmade constructs of consciousness that are objective, constructive and the sharing of them,even if it is just with our own ego(s).
Thanks! Excellent job with this one
The discussion went along just fine before Chopra appeared and started moderating. They should have told him it was the next day...
lol!
Video subtitles should have been made available.
25:35 Kashmiri shaivinism, we need to forget the infinite to experience the finite. Sacrifice of the absolute in order to become relative.
Why is it so difficult to define consciousness? Scientist have tried for a very long time to do this - I have been doing Patanjalis yoga sutras for many years (among them the levitation sutra) and one day during an international conference about the above mentioned question- I came to think of another of Patanjalis sutras where he says:"Seperation between intellect and trancendence". I have repeated this sutra every day for many years like a parrot without thinking what was really the meaning of it - and suddenly it strucked me that this old wise guy was trying to tell us that we have to trancend to understand consciousness - to trancend is according to Vedanta to go into the 4th state of consciousness which is called " Atma Darchan" meaning in sanskrit where the soul (Atma) recognize( Darchan) itself .......This 4th state is according to Vedanta following the 3 first states namely: sleep, dream and this socalled awaken reallity- in the 4th state there is absolute silence - no thoughts - when we meditate we can sometimes trancend to this state - modern brain science have shown us that an enormous healing is taking place in the mind, brain and body and probably also in the environment when we are in this state.
God said:" Be still and know that I am God (or consciousness)". - And Rumi as quoted in this conference :"Silence is Gods language everything else is but a bad translation?and Jesus "The heaven of Paradise is within you". By this we can conclude that we have to escape our intellect to understand consciousness - therefore it can not be explained by words - The only exception might be found
in nondua
l mystery poems?.
Jet Izabella Thurmann from Denmark.
37:31 gerdel's incompleteness theorem put a hole in that idea that algorithm can encompass the whole truth.
40:20 discontinuity in everything we try to accomplish objectively like through mathematics and we don't understand what subjectivity is which can heal this discontinuity.
37:00 we quantify ourselves. We think that we are algorithmic from bottom to top.
wow
Great discussion but I DID get weary enduring Frenkel interrupt everyone to show off his latest intellectual accomplishments - ultimately NOT what this was about.
Frenkel is a smart guy.
1:06:30 If subjectivity is real, then the most objective thing is mathematics!
1:04:22 the future is not what it you used to be! Special relativity and general relativity.
42:40 we live and die by self-referential statements. It's a loop.
Mossbridge does not see her fallacy in re the Block Universe. Aside from her misinterpretation of experimental data which show activity in the brain's motor center Before a choice to move has been consciously made - which only indicates that decisions are largely made unconsciously - she also begs the question in ceding primacy to the Future. But it does not follow that the future - which we'll suppose exists simultaneously with the past and present - must dictate the course of the past and present, as though the future were drawing the present in toward it on a line; ergo no Free Will. Just as the Now is constantly Arising, so is our free will in the Now; when All exists Simultaneously, there can be no determinism - as this would require something to be out In Front of the simultaneous All. There is no reason to favor the Future within the scheme of things.
Sounds of this discussion is pretty LOW.
We have free will. you are free to believe me or not.
1:07:40 silence is God's language, everything else is poor translation! Mathematics is Maya's language!
39:15 lol and mathematics shows that mathematics is not true.
lol...why is Deepak even there? Just go away and let the grown ups talk.