Different coils feel very different. I tried a push11/6 and an ext V3 on my Pivot Firebird and whilst both were brilliant the characteristics were night and day. The push was very grounded and turned 2 dot blacks into a carpet. The EXT was also plush but very "playful" and actually made jumping and popping easier than the X2. Getting airborne on the push was a real struggle. I bought the EXT and haven't regretted it one bit. Try with different brands- a man with your following should have no trouble!!
@@ncmtb7248 cane creak tigon is coil with an air chamber. You can take all the air out and it feels just like a linear coil and then you can slowly increase air pressure to add some progression up to about 35%
I'm definitely a big fan of coil shocks as long as the bike is progressive enough (such as Evil Wreckoning). You can regain some of that poppy characteristic by increasing the low speed compression damping. Speeding up your rebound can also be beneficial in this regard. I'm running an Ohlins coil on my bike and I have it set up to feel more poppy than the air shock I was running previously. It's awesome.
I agree with what you said at the end about getting a coil for this bike. Coil was great for the enduro, because that bike is designed for super chunky trails, but this time you've chosen a more playful bike and I think you should stick with air on this type of bike.
I just got an Insurgent V3 that came with a Zeb and Superdeluxe coil. Been so long on air shocks I forgot how GOOD a coil feels! On bikes this size and purpose the weight shouldn't really be a consideration. ;)
I have a dpx2 and a dhx2 for my fugitive LT. The coil feel is so much nicer than the air shock but it's sooo much heavier and not adjustable. But, I like them both. Will put the coil back on eventually because it rides so much smoother on our rooty/rocky trails.
Honestly, I would like to have both which is what a lot of people are probably going to say so you can switch it out depending on what you're riding or what you feel like riding with, but if I had to choose one it would be the air since you can put volume reducers in it to make the bike bottom out less, while still not having a linear compression rate which can make the bike feel a little less playful.
Man those trails! I ordered the XT Wreckoning too but for the same reasons ended up with the GX build, I love it though and feel much more at home back on a coil after a few years of air shocks.
@@Nik-gh6gz They were both just stock builds so I had a full refund for the XT that wasn't available and just ordered the GX which was a little cheaper anyway
Great video - like always. I have always leaned to coil shocks also and get comments on many rides about how it is too heavy duty for our trails. Simply feels better to me in the rough stuff. Just a heads up that at 2:37 you mention that the coil shock is lighter and more tuneable but you meant the air shock. Doesn't really matter cuz we know what you meant but just so you're aware.
Coil for sure. Major improvement everywhere unless youre standing when climbing. Way better in the rough, better at slow speed without stiction and the shock recovers from compression better for that reason as well. Even good for climbing traction and better braking traction on steep downhills. I have a "speed alloy racing"(non progressive) spring on my decoy because its a progressive rate linkage and a "race only spring"(progressive spring) on my linear travel meta am. Coil really opens up a trail. Out of the cane creek dbl barrel and the dvo jade i have i prefer the jade(great deal on those, jade x was sold out)/end novel😁
i don't really think the increase in bobbing is a problem. Any shock is still gonna bob by a certain amount, if you don't want that just use the lockout lever which is on almost every shock
Linear coil shocks don't benefit all frame types. I ride a quite progressive Tyee CF and coil is making a lot of sense here, since its much more small bumb sensitive while making long chunky descends less exhausting for you and the shock itself (less friction for parts and no air heating up inside = constant feel). Aaaand also less stuff to fail = lower costs.
I’m so glad you made this video. I’m upgrading the rear shock on my stumpjumper and had my heart set on coil for that plush feel and endless grip however I recently rode with someone on the exact same bike as me with the coil shock I wanted and he said it had snapped twice due to the linkage design and he was going back to air as a result. I asked him about the loss of pop from the bike and he said he had to run a stronger spring to stop the back end sucking to the floor and with him being about 40lb lighter than me, I knew it didn’t look good for coil. This video has confirmed all that for me and i will definitely choose air now.
I really think you should’ve gotten a push industries eleven six coil shock. They tune the shock you buy to exactly what you ride and your style I looked at the spring on mine and it looks like it has 3 spring rate and it runs super progressive on my evil wreckoning v3 (partially because that’s what I needed). I have a similar build to what you have.
I have a Fox 38 performance elite and a super deluxe coil on my Wreckoning v3 and it’s an amazing combo. You really notice a difference with the coil on high speed chunk!
@@caylanwojciechowski8233 I know people who have had EXT's for more than a year without having problems. I've also met people who don't like their push's and have had problems. There's gonna be horror stories about both so rather than go with what they've heard, they should go with what works best for them :)
Coil shock with a titanium spring is the good midde point in terms of weight that way you get no fade on fast repeated hits on long decents like you would with air and if you arent stick thin and have more meat on you then the coil with give you a consistent pop when you load the bike up to launch it off a section of trail
Love my coil for gnarly bike park rides. To be honest, I loved my Rockshox Monarch rc3 plus better. It was every bit as planted as the coil, while having a tunable compression rates, which made it more fun. They are close though. I imagine the coil has a lower cost of maintenance through its lifespan.
For me, I'd rather have an expensive air shock over a cheap coil. I changed out my Fox Van R coil for a Cane Creek DBAir CS, and I have no regrets at all.
I say keep the coil but change the spring to a progressive spring such as the Cane Creek Progressive coil spring. Still have the small bump sensitivity of a coil but have the ramp up like an air shock.
I think you should get a Fox DHX2 and also keep your X2 and just swap them back and forth when you want to or for different rides or for when the other is being serviced, etc.
You have to get the right spring for your riding style, weight and suspension linkage design. My Norco Range came with a 450lb spring, but I actually needed 600lb. Now I can jump off something chest height and it feels like riding off something knee height. It also eats rock gardens like they are not even there
Coil feels like snowboarding/sking on powder snow. Air does not. No mater how much you tune it. Coil tech can develop more progressive shocks if they put their efforts towards it. Air will always feel like air.
Great video dude 👍 just wanted to know how you mounted the camera and what products you used to mount it? Any information would be greatly appreciated thank you ❤️
keep the X2, it's not worth the money to get the coil unless your gonna be riding like heavy park tech as it will make you stick to the ground and be more stable
Would you say that coil may be better then air for bigger people that blow through travel on air. For example I am 14 years old, 5 feet 11 inches, and roughly 170-175 lbs, I try my friends bikes which are enduro/free ride bikes off 3ft drops and I usually bottom out while they don’t, so basically what I am saying is are coil shocks more responsive then air for bigger riders?
@VanCan Hey man, I know I'm late to the party but, did you compare tech-ish and/or steep climbing between the air and the coil? If one were interested in a firm climber but a dh shredder, which would you recommend for the Wreckoning V3? I presume the air shock could be tuned to take care of both pretty well. DPX2??
Im 95kg which is similar to nic and i dont have any issues? Rims probably take the most punishment in reality as they have to support the weight the most. Sure you could argue suspension needs servicing an hour or two earlier but its a non issue.
@@MrSupermugen I'm around the same, and I ride 20ish psi in my tires. The rims definitely get their share, but I guess I don't ride hard enough as it hasn't been that big of an issue.
Nick, I am thinking about getting a wreckoning, but then the insurgent ca me along. If you could, would you get the insurgent or stay with the wreckoning? thanks.
Is it just me or are coils noisier than air shocks? My new factory dhx2 tends to have a slight click when i lift weight off the rear wheel/ suspension on my warden lt
Just a heads up, 2:36-2:39 you talk about air shock but state coilshock. Easy fix in post ;) Btw nice video. I am actually thinking about going cascade link + cane creek double barrel coil shock and progressive spring. The debate is still on
I added a prorate spring to my Jade X and it gave it a more poppy feel that the standard LS spring was lacking.
Did you try the Topaz before? Is it really better than the sensitive Topaz?
Different coils feel very different. I tried a push11/6 and an ext V3 on my Pivot Firebird and whilst both were brilliant the characteristics were night and day. The push was very grounded and turned 2 dot blacks into a carpet. The EXT was also plush but very "playful" and actually made jumping and popping easier than the X2. Getting airborne on the push was a real struggle. I bought the EXT and haven't regretted it one bit. Try with different brands- a man with your following should have no trouble!!
Getting it custom tuned could also be a good option
For how you ride, I'd say try a different coil. MRP makes a progressive coil that might work well for you!
Or cane creek.
@@ncmtb7248 the valt
@@ncmtb7248 cane creak tigon is coil with an air chamber. You can take all the air out and it feels just like a linear coil and then you can slowly increase air pressure to add some progression up to about 35%
I'm definitely a big fan of coil shocks as long as the bike is progressive enough (such as Evil Wreckoning). You can regain some of that poppy characteristic by increasing the low speed compression damping. Speeding up your rebound can also be beneficial in this regard. I'm running an Ohlins coil on my bike and I have it set up to feel more poppy than the air shock I was running previously. It's awesome.
I agree with what you said at the end about getting a coil for this bike. Coil was great for the enduro, because that bike is designed for super chunky trails, but this time you've chosen a more playful bike and I think you should stick with air on this type of bike.
theres just something about when nic posts a video, the always soothing voice too, i change between coil and air depending on what im riding.
I would get it and switch them out when ever the mood hit me for a change.Great riding on that beautiful trail
I just got an Insurgent V3 that came with a Zeb and Superdeluxe coil. Been so long on air shocks I forgot how GOOD a coil feels! On bikes this size and purpose the weight shouldn't really be a consideration. ;)
I have a dpx2 and a dhx2 for my fugitive LT. The coil feel is so much nicer than the air shock but it's sooo much heavier and not adjustable.
But, I like them both. Will put the coil back on eventually because it rides so much smoother on our rooty/rocky trails.
Good Informative video. please keep this posted
The best quality MTB-content on UA-cam for sure Nic!
Honestly, I would like to have both which is what a lot of people are probably going to say so you can switch it out depending on what you're riding or what you feel like riding with, but if I had to choose one it would be the air since you can put volume reducers in it to make the bike bottom out less, while still not having a linear compression rate which can make the bike feel a little less playful.
I saw Dale's video... what's up with the frame damage?
Nick posted on Patro that Evil already sent him a front triangle under warranty.
Man those trails! I ordered the XT Wreckoning too but for the same reasons ended up with the GX build, I love it though and feel much more at home back on a coil after a few years of air shocks.
Did you get any kind of refund for not getting the parts you wanted?
@@Nik-gh6gz They were both just stock builds so I had a full refund for the XT that wasn't available and just ordered the GX which was a little cheaper anyway
Try a Springdex coil shock, progressive and adjustable spring rate. Got one a few weeks ago and love it.
Great video as always! Those trails look amazing. Glad you’re enjoying the coil my friend!
Great video - like always. I have always leaned to coil shocks also and get comments on many rides about how it is too heavy duty for our trails. Simply feels better to me in the rough stuff. Just a heads up that at 2:37 you mention that the coil shock is lighter and more tuneable but you meant the air shock. Doesn't really matter cuz we know what you meant but just so you're aware.
Coil for sure. Major improvement everywhere unless youre standing when climbing. Way better in the rough, better at slow speed without stiction and the shock recovers from compression better for that reason as well. Even good for climbing traction and better braking traction on steep downhills.
I have a "speed alloy racing"(non progressive) spring on my decoy because its a progressive rate linkage and a "race only spring"(progressive spring) on my linear travel meta am. Coil really opens up a trail. Out of the cane creek dbl barrel and the dvo jade i have i prefer the jade(great deal on those, jade x was sold out)/end novel😁
i don't really think the increase in bobbing is a problem. Any shock is still gonna bob by a certain amount, if you don't want that just use the lockout lever which is on almost every shock
Linear coil shocks don't benefit all frame types. I ride a quite progressive Tyee CF and coil is making a lot of sense here, since its much more small bumb sensitive while making long chunky descends less exhausting for you and the shock itself (less friction for parts and no air heating up inside = constant feel). Aaaand also less stuff to fail = lower costs.
When are you going to make a video about your new Evil carbon frame snapping in half??? Why does Dale have a video about it before you?
Evil probably told him “don’t post that video and we’ll send you a new frame”
that's coil look madd
I’m so glad you made this video. I’m upgrading the rear shock on my stumpjumper and had my heart set on coil for that plush feel and endless grip however I recently rode with someone on the exact same bike as me with the coil shock I wanted and he said it had snapped twice due to the linkage design and he was going back to air as a result. I asked him about the loss of pop from the bike and he said he had to run a stronger spring to stop the back end sucking to the floor and with him being about 40lb lighter than me, I knew it didn’t look good for coil. This video has confirmed all that for me and i will definitely choose air now.
There are progressive coils you can get. I use a Cane Creek Valt Progressive coil on one of my bikes.
I really think you should’ve gotten a push industries eleven six coil shock. They tune the shock you buy to exactly what you ride and your style I looked at the spring on mine and it looks like it has 3 spring rate and it runs super progressive on my evil wreckoning v3 (partially because that’s what I needed). I have a similar build to what you have.
I have a Fox 38 performance elite and a super deluxe coil on my Wreckoning v3 and it’s an amazing combo. You really notice a difference with the coil on high speed chunk!
Good vid. Having SRAM brakes myself I recognise that squealing anywhere! 😂
Nice content Nic! Maybe try the Jade X coil! DVO all the way! 😀💚
Im also contemplating to get a ext storia for my megatower… perfect timing on the upload lul
I got to get a few bounces on my friends megatower with a storia and maaaaan it's lovely
My buddy had an ext blew up in a few weeks!
@@caylanwojciechowski8233 oh wait fr how lmao…. Still very undecided between push elevnsix or just go with a x2 have a super deluxe rn
@@sameerjg main seal blew. I’d go push. My other buddy has a push, no problems. Services in Colorado.
@@caylanwojciechowski8233 I know people who have had EXT's for more than a year without having problems. I've also met people who don't like their push's and have had problems. There's gonna be horror stories about both so rather than go with what they've heard, they should go with what works best for them :)
Coil shock with a titanium spring is the good midde point in terms of weight that way you get no fade on fast repeated hits on long decents like you would with air and if you arent stick thin and have more meat on you then the coil with give you a consistent pop when you load the bike up to launch it off a section of trail
dude that is one epic mtn bike trail. is this canada or washington? damn, I want to move there just for the trail.
Any reasons why you never see youtubers trying out smashpot or any coil forks ?
Love my coil for gnarly bike park rides. To be honest, I loved my Rockshox Monarch rc3 plus better. It was every bit as planted as the coil, while having a tunable compression rates, which made it more fun. They are close though. I imagine the coil has a lower cost of maintenance through its lifespan.
Another positive to coil is that it makes the bike look so sick
Have a super deluxe ultimate coil on the way for my sentinel, can’t fooking wait😂😂😂😂, great video👌👍
Shout out to TrailDogs 🤘 love riding with those dudes!
For me, I'd rather have an expensive air shock over a cheap coil. I changed out my Fox Van R coil for a Cane Creek DBAir CS, and I have no regrets at all.
I say keep the coil but change the spring to a progressive spring such as the Cane Creek Progressive coil spring. Still have the small bump sensitivity of a coil but have the ramp up like an air shock.
I think you should get a Fox DHX2 and also keep your X2 and just swap them back and forth when you want to or for different rides or for when the other is being serviced, etc.
Formula Mod if available. Lighter, reasonable price and excellent (EXT-like) performance.
Remember pre 2008 when the Italian marzocchi made coil forks with air preload? Those were the days.
Coil! Love my Ext on the Offering.
Having the option is the best move.
You have to get the right spring for your riding style, weight and suspension linkage design. My Norco Range came with a 450lb spring, but I actually needed 600lb. Now I can jump off something chest height and it feels like riding off something knee height. It also eats rock gardens like they are not even there
How much do you weigh? Ive trying to find the right spring rate for the range
@@Jesus69420 100kg
I personally just got a coil. Waiting to pick it up. Ive got no issues with air or coil, but that may change once I ride a coil lol
Pros and cons to both just like most things. In some segments faster on dhx2, in others faster on DPX2.
What trails were you riding for this test?
I could literally listen to the hydras all day.
Where are these trails ? looks great
Sick rig man ,Vader build 🔥👊
Hey Mr VanCan, totally different topic but i wonder which type of mount do you use for your wahoo bike computer? :)
Coil feels like snowboarding/sking on powder snow. Air does not. No mater how much you tune it. Coil tech can develop more progressive shocks if they put their efforts towards it. Air will always feel like air.
Great video dude 👍 just wanted to know how you mounted the camera and what products you used to mount it? Any information would be greatly appreciated thank you ❤️
Nice vid man 🤟🔥
Buy it! Maybe use them on tracks / trails that suit each better!? 😎
whens the video on the on the norco coming out? also loving the videos
keep the coil, and increase the rebound to get it more playful. have you cracked your bike recently?
I never understood why people think the extra weight of a coil is a bad thing thats all mass that helps soak up vibrations and shock
I can feel suspension by just watching this video
Coil shock or air shock, which performs better?
keep the X2, it's not worth the money to get the coil unless your gonna be riding like heavy park tech as it will make you stick to the ground and be more stable
You clearly have no idea what your talking about.
Would you say that coil may be better then air for bigger people that blow through travel on air. For example I am 14 years old, 5 feet 11 inches, and roughly 170-175 lbs, I try my friends bikes which are enduro/free ride bikes off 3ft drops and I usually bottom out while they don’t, so basically what I am saying is are coil shocks more responsive then air for bigger riders?
@VanCan Hey man, I know I'm late to the party but, did you compare tech-ish and/or steep climbing between the air and the coil? If one were interested in a firm climber but a dh shredder, which would you recommend for the Wreckoning V3? I presume the air shock could be tuned to take care of both pretty well. DPX2??
As a fellow heavy rider...I find myself braking parts often. Is that an issue for you too?
Im 95kg which is similar to nic and i dont have any issues? Rims probably take the most punishment in reality as they have to support the weight the most. Sure you could argue suspension needs servicing an hour or two earlier but its a non issue.
@@MrSupermugen I'm braking pedal spindles, and cranks. Different brand pedals too. Not a single manufacturer issue .
@@SHREDD-ED ive been on oneups for a long time, i broke one plastic one when i smashed it into a curb showing off 🤣
@@MrSupermugen I'm around the same, and I ride 20ish psi in my tires. The rims definitely get their share, but I guess I don't ride hard enough as it hasn't been that big of an issue.
I go a bit quick through break pads...
It looks si good😃
If you go coil, go push on the Wreckoning!
Put an EXT Storia V3, best shock ever.
ayee trails dogs is local!! so sick
Nick, I am thinking about getting a wreckoning, but then the insurgent ca me along. If you could, would you get the insurgent or stay with the wreckoning? thanks.
I think that you should keep the x2
Just a question but who did you order this bike through??
I just got a dhx2 and can’t figure out what hardware I need for my 2021 Capra pro al 29er
Can you speed up the Rebound to get the coil shock poppy? With the dhx2, I was able to get it to pop pretty good
I think you should crack theframe and maybe the replacement comes with a coil. ;)
He already did
Slay all day - Evil
where was this, the trails look so fun.
Manitoba
@@thecount1001 sick
Is this the one that broke?
wow that trail seems to require quite the concentration
Is it just me or are coils noisier than air shocks? My new factory dhx2 tends to have a slight click when i lift weight off the rear wheel/ suspension on my warden lt
Have you tried adjusting pre-load?
Where did u buy?
Just a heads up, 2:36-2:39 you talk about air shock but state coilshock. Easy fix in post ;)
Btw nice video. I am actually thinking about going cascade link + cane creek double barrel coil shock and progressive spring. The debate is still on
110kgs on the same bike, coil all the way 👌
Did you say what trails you were on?
i'v been looking for my first DH bike any suggestions?
Yt tues canyon sender nukeproof dissent
Keep coil shock bit get stiffer spring?
Maybe the lineage curve of the frame is not that progressive. You only change to a stiffer coil if you riding too much SAG.
get a dvo jade x
How to make your bike better:
Breaks a few weeks later
also try a progressive spring
Seymour and Burke?
What lb spring do u use?
@vancan ever see a squatch..i know up there youve heard stories
wut
You mean sasquatch right?
I see plenty of them on cypress but not so many on Seymour/fromme
Coil for me.
Or do what my buddy does; keep the aircan for regular trail rides and swap to a coil for DH or super techy rides. Best of Both worlds 🙌
Coil looks cooler
Keep the air and get a megatower 😉
Air.
coil
Coilage
first sick vid
You should put your coil in your dh bike
Like if you think he should do this
Vote Air.