Definitely. I agree with you. What I'm trying to say is that even though Leo's Marth is offensive, he is so prudent and adaptable throughout the game, like water. Mr.E's Marth is more adventurous. It is exciting to watch, but sometimes he loses his way, being burnt by his own flames.
The issue with the Marth v Marth Matchup is that the initiator loses neutral. The defensive/ reactive Marth gets to punish the attacker if they don't space a shielded hit or land unsafely. One big issue with the way Mr. E plays is that his playstyle would have fit Lucina better in this situation. Another huge issue with Marth dittos is spacing a tipper hit. Hitting with tipper is more than twice as strong as non-tipper. You have to know where your opponent is going to be by the time the attack connects, and yet again, it benefits the reactive Marth because they have half a second to react to it, which is a long time in-game.
Leo is a better marth. Look at Mr. E's wins with marth vs. leo's wins with just marth, and the head to heads. I honestly don't think it's a contest. Mr. E is high level, Leo is top level.
Leo is on a completely different level than Mr. E, which is kind've sad considering Mr. E has been maining marth since sm4sh came out and Leo picked marth up not too long ago.
+ATARi yeah, I agree that dittos aren't that important, but I've seen many people complain that Mr E hasn't faced off against MKLeo and there is doubt how much better MKleo's marth is. Well this just shows the skill difference, but not saying that it won't change in the future.
I really appreciate that Gunblade happened to be commentating during this. He does very well commentating this ditto. Many things he was saying were proven in game right in front of our faces.
I like Mr. E more than Leo, but Leo is the superior player based on results. That said, I don't get why people (who aren't even good at this game) smugly hate on Mr. E for only being a top player and the second best Marth. It's like saying Zinoto is terrible because Zero exists.
Who ever thought Mr. E was at the same tier than Leo? Leo belongs with Zero, Salem, Ally, Larry Lur, Nairo, then a little below that there's Mr. R, and below that there's Dabuz, Void, and a little below that there's Mr. E. and Esam. That's how I see It.
I wish Leo would solo marth = I wish Leo would lose more. The meta is realizing that Marcina isn't top tier. ZeRo has dropped PersistentBlade/Lucina, due to his losing record vs Ally/Anti's Marios. MkLeo only pulled Marth out once during CEO this weekend - in a losing match vs Larry Lurr. It's crazy that Leo is THIS good with Marth, and yet didn't pull him out at all at CEO, except for that one match. Just shows how not-top-tier Marth is.
No, Zinoto never won a major national. Diddy might be top tier, but he wouldn't be regarded as top 5 without ZeRo. You got it backwards. The only reason people say Diddy is top 5 is because of ZeRo
I dont play online and I have been ranked in NJ 2 times. Tristate is a hard region. lol. Dont believe random youtube comments insulting my skill in game.
I wished E would stop dash dancing like this is melee. That little bit of time he wastes dash dancing instead of just dashing towards leo could have let him get another hit in possibly
Jayden Gipson yea dash dancing in this game is really good in a lot of situations but definitely not something you should do regularly since it actually limits you since you can't even sheild it's something to be used rarely
+A.J. well the dash dance i was mainly talking about was the one at 6:19, E hits leo and starts to dash dance right after, so Leo wouldnt have hit him anyways. If he was quick enough, he could have atleast tried to get another hit it, and since leo was still in hitstun. Another time he did it and missed an opportunity to attack was at 0:37, with how amazing marth is at catching landings and juggling, that was a free up tilt or even dancing blade opportunity that E couldnt capitalize on because he was dash dancing. E has done it in other sets and hes gotten punished for it. He doesnt get anything off them like some other people do, so i think it would be best if he just didnt do it
Actually, that's not Marth's real dash dance; to actually perform it you do the same input as Ganondorf, Captain Falcon and Little Mac. However, I think what ThaSupaboi said is true; it's good in certain situations, but it limits you since you are vulnerable while dash dancing (you can't shield). I find it the most profitable when your opponent is shielding in front of you to bait something out of shield; forwards dash, backwards dash, forwards dash, punish the opponent with fair or grab. What's even cooler is fdash + bdash + ppivot to the front (instead of fdash) + fSmash; although I just thought about this last one, sounds optimal to me if the oponnent gets baited by the dash dance. I'll try it later :D
I'm a fan of both players. To me, it seemed like the flames of Mr.E's fiery Marth was extinguished by the lake-like calmness of MKLeo's Marth.
*pukes*
Jin Jeon Really? I always saw MkLeo as to having a more offensive Marth
Definitely. I agree with you. What I'm trying to say is that even though Leo's Marth is offensive, he is so prudent and adaptable throughout the game, like water. Mr.E's Marth is more adventurous. It is exciting to watch, but sometimes he loses his way, being burnt by his own flames.
lol leo is not calmness or pasive, he put a hell of pressure.
bruh leo making e look like a FG marth
Dude is it just me, or does MK Leo seem on a completely different level than Mr.E?
The issue with the Marth v Marth Matchup is that the initiator loses neutral. The defensive/ reactive Marth gets to punish the attacker if they don't space a shielded hit or land unsafely. One big issue with the way Mr. E plays is that his playstyle would have fit Lucina better in this situation.
Another huge issue with Marth dittos is spacing a tipper hit. Hitting with tipper is more than twice as strong as non-tipper. You have to know where your opponent is going to be by the time the attack connects, and yet again, it benefits the reactive Marth because they have half a second to react to it, which is a long time in-game.
Leo has a better than 6-0 record vs Mr E. So yeah, Leo is just a better player.
Leo is a better marth. Look at Mr. E's wins with marth vs. leo's wins with just marth, and the head to heads. I honestly don't think it's a contest. Mr. E is high level, Leo is top level.
Leo is on a completely different level than Mr. E, which is kind've sad considering Mr. E has been maining marth since sm4sh came out and Leo picked marth up not too long ago.
mr.e was a shiek main for about a year and a half
Mr e fans, you have to say Leo is now the best marth, in results and the ditto. Cause I've met fans that argued that both players were "just as good".
Dittos don't determine skill all the time, but Leo dominates in terms of superior results. That's hands down FACT Leo is #1 Marth no question
+ATARi yeah, I agree that dittos aren't that important, but I've seen many people complain that Mr E hasn't faced off against MKLeo and there is doubt how much better MKleo's marth is. Well this just shows the skill difference, but not saying that it won't change in the future.
+KingPun I'm not sayin dittos are important, but if you've seen Momocon 2017, fatality beat Zero's falcon along with his sheik and diddy.
No, Fatality Falcon and ZeRo's Falcon is 1-1.
No it is not 1-1. Before Momocon 2017 Zero destroyed Fatality erverytime they did a Falcon ditto.
I really appreciate that Gunblade happened to be commentating during this. He does very well commentating this ditto. Many things he was saying were proven in game right in front of our faces.
thanks a lot. if even one person can watch a match I call and realize this then I am happy.
Leo is easily the best marth, cloud and metaknight
absolute sword idk about metaknight though
Skill wise Def Leo but His only wins with MK this season was on KEN. AC and Aba have done more with MK this season
Young Thanatos he beat mr r with metaknight at a locals in Illinois recently it was sick to watch live.
Bakin I feel you but that was last season. You mean ignition right?
i don't think it was ignition but every game they've played this season he didn't go meta knight
in marth diddos its all about waiting. for the most parts the first player to approach will loss
SkyLine 16 What I get from this is: DONT MOVE!
lmao greil you have to be joking
stfu
I like Mr. E more than Leo, but Leo is the superior player based on results. That said, I don't get why people (who aren't even good at this game) smugly hate on Mr. E for only being a top player and the second best Marth. It's like saying Zinoto is terrible because Zero exists.
Gunblade's knowledge of Marth made this set much more of a treat
Who ever thought Mr. E was at the same tier than Leo? Leo belongs with Zero, Salem, Ally, Larry Lur, Nairo, then a little below that there's Mr. R, and below that there's Dabuz, Void, and a little below that there's Mr. E. and Esam. That's how I see It.
Alejandro Salgado Mr E fans that can't accept that Leo is by FAR the best Marth in the world.
Alejandro Salgado Dabuz, Mr consistent top 8, should be up there.
Creamy, smooth, confident play.
Same. But on the other hand, it's funny how he has a secondary Cloud & Meta knight and is the best at those two, too
I wish Leo would solo marth
I wish Leo would solo marth = I wish Leo would lose more.
The meta is realizing that Marcina isn't top tier. ZeRo has dropped PersistentBlade/Lucina, due to his losing record vs Ally/Anti's Marios.
MkLeo only pulled Marth out once during CEO this weekend - in a losing match vs Larry Lurr.
It's crazy that Leo is THIS good with Marth, and yet didn't pull him out at all at CEO, except for that one match.
Just shows how not-top-tier Marth is.
Ew0lfo I know I'm saying I like watching his marth though
marth is top tier imo. just not cloud tier.
このメキシコ国旗のマルスよ
Glad this set was uploaded. I think Leo is officially better than 6-0 over Mr E. Crazy stuff. Leo makes Marth top tier.
Marth would still be top (maybe high) tier without Leo, just like Diddy is without ZeRo. Zinoto and Mr E would make it happen.
Nathan Lott Do you really think Zinoto who cant even get 17th place can get Diddy results ? Lol
No, Zinoto never won a major national. Diddy might be top tier, but he wouldn't be regarded as top 5 without ZeRo.
You got it backwards. The only reason people say Diddy is top 5 is because of ZeRo
can someone tell me the name of the song playing during game 3?
Justin Henderson I'm saying lol it was going crazy
Justin Henderson IIrc Eltnums theme from Under Night in Birth
YO THANKS!!!
Justin Henderson yw
how does one get these custom skins?
You can tell when a commentator mains the character on screen when he starts telling them how to play
Kodo Elder-Groebe or when the commentator isnt garbage
Gunblade gets bodied by random zeldas on fg, he's garbage.
+Officially Not Sblash he means knowledgewise, not playing skill level
It just sounds really cringey when he's talking about two top players
I dont play online and I have been ranked in NJ 2 times. Tristate is a hard region. lol. Dont believe random youtube comments insulting my skill in game.
How did Leo get that skin? :v
Who is ze best??
so glad they played a bo5 despite being in pools
I was waiting for this
Clean
I wished E would stop dash dancing like this is melee. That little bit of time he wastes dash dancing instead of just dashing towards leo could have let him get another hit in possibly
Jayden Gipson yea dash dancing in this game is really good in a lot of situations but definitely not something you should do regularly since it actually limits you since you can't even sheild it's something to be used rarely
I really only use it to safely bait out grabs. Aside from that I usually find that there are always better alternatives.
Jayden Gipson Yeah... no. He's doing that so he won't get hit. Starting at mid level, running straight at your opponent is a sin.
+A.J. well the dash dance i was mainly talking about was the one at 6:19, E hits leo and starts to dash dance right after, so Leo wouldnt have hit him anyways. If he was quick enough, he could have atleast tried to get another hit it, and since leo was still in hitstun. Another time he did it and missed an opportunity to attack was at 0:37, with how amazing marth is at catching landings and juggling, that was a free up tilt or even dancing blade opportunity that E couldnt capitalize on because he was dash dancing. E has done it in other sets and hes gotten punished for it. He doesnt get anything off them like some other people do, so i think it would be best if he just didnt do it
Actually, that's not Marth's real dash dance; to actually perform it you do the same input as Ganondorf, Captain Falcon and Little Mac. However, I think what ThaSupaboi said is true; it's good in certain situations, but it limits you since you are vulnerable while dash dancing (you can't shield). I find it the most profitable when your opponent is shielding in front of you to bait something out of shield; forwards dash, backwards dash, forwards dash, punish the opponent with fair or grab. What's even cooler is fdash + bdash + ppivot to the front (instead of fdash) + fSmash; although I just thought about this last one, sounds optimal to me if the oponnent gets baited by the dash dance. I'll try it later :D
Damn. It seems like
Natural skill + hard work > hard work
WHAT THATS ABSURD lol
Leo es el mejor Marth del mundo.
Jesus Sáenz pienso que lo es verdad usted.
I need that Lucina sticker xd
marth is elegant
oooooh megaman x music
you all know that patience wins the ditto right?
Patient Marth is the best Marth
nairo's marth is garbage
Compared to Leo, hell yeah. Same goes for anyone.
Buttrape
Noob leo and Mr :V
wait a sec........
Marth is a clone of lucina!!!
Fucking hell the most cancerous character fighting itself
Moments like 5:40 are what make Silentdoom one of my favorite commentators