I absolutely LOVE Concept2. They have all their replacement parts available to service every generation of their product and at reasonable prices. No one does that. Such a great company and product line.
Yes, I will buy one ASAP and don’t care about cost. Old ultra endurance guy here, 68, with VO2MAX of 54 on bike and run. Have both row erg and ski erg. Anything that helps me keep my strength in my final years is priceless.
anything that eliminates the source of at least equal resistance eccentric phase is a poor choice for building muscle and probably for strength, though can be a good tool for power (rate of force production) and would yield faster recovery.
@@jedinxf7time under tension is mostly why eccentrics build muscle. There is no reason you shouldn’t be able to modify your workouts for this if that’s your interest.
This would be a perfect machine for someone just trying to stay strong without the hassle of making time to go to the gym. It's not gonna turn you into superman BUT it will certainly make maintenance a lot easier.
Having several Concept2 products, every time I use them I marvel at the quality and the ease of use that just isn’t there with their competitors offerings - which makes me want to use it and not have a barrier to working out.
And now for something completely different: Looks like an awesome machine to make workouts interesting and challenging. The smaller footprint will work for gyms and for homes, it is smart and compact. Well done to the Concept 2 team.
I think I love this! The small footprint is great. I can see creating a circuit workout between this and the other C2 machines for a killer workout! Can't wait for the release. Also, great job on the video editing.
i was going to type this but found this comment. I really dont think this machine will be as loved as their other machines. it seems that they didn't really have some other opinions put into this from PT's S&Cs or Physios. This machine is a novelty, but i think that where it finishes which is v disappointing.
The fact there was no mention of (actually, willfully avoiding IMO) the *very* similar C2 DYNO from 2000 is very telling. This machine is actually at least 25 years in the making. Also, they still haven"t added a hinge exercise- the single most important component of the rowing motion. That said, I hope it sells. But I suspect that they haven't addressed the criticisms of the DYNO sufficiently for it to find success.
minimally useful like a weighted or magnetic sled for example? the sled that you (and the world's strongest men) push and pull I didnt realise you couldn't grow stronger or drive muscular hypertrophy with sled push and pulls because they're only concentric thanks for your exceptional wisdom
Much like the RowErg, I love that this also embodies the Concept2 ideology of “competing with yourself” so that what you’re doing is betting your performance instead of competing with someone else is accomplishing. No matter what you can do, or what you’re capable of, you can get your workout and improve at the pace you can safely sustained. I’ll be getting one!
I think this offers some good options for my disabled child to focus on some easy to replicate motions which require less motor planning steps to get some very good exercise and resistance. I'd love to have an opportunity to pilot one for her. She has a pretty severe intellectual disability and motor planning disfunction and full rowing is probably way to many steps. She has also torn her mpfl ligament and will need to strengthen her quad before they can surgically repair and the first movement offers a very easy but yet effective method to strengthen her quad. Happy to see what might work.
When I heard that C2 were bringing out a new machine I desperately wanted it to be a elliptical which I would buy tomorrow, but have to now tell the wife I really need the strength erg 😂 Thanks Shane for showing us this .
Without room for a full rack or anything like that in my basement gym this is a huge win! I can "squat" and "bench" very safely in a small form factor and one machine is versatile enough for me, my wife, AND my kids.
I think the inability to topple over or have a barbell crush you when you're close to failure is a big selling point. The fact that I wouldn't need to load or unload and store plates is another plus in my book.
I like how compact the StrengthErg seems to be. Especially if your space for a home gym is very limited its important. I have enjoyed the rowing erg from Concept 2 for many years, and in particulate the ability to easily disassemble it so it stores in a tight space is brilliant. And also the quality of the products from Concept 2 is not to debate. It is extremely high...
The compact nature sold me but my one want for it is an ability to overhead press. I feel like that space of strength is incredibly important and would like to see that over a bench press ability. That said, I'll definitely be buying one as the footprint, versatility, and unique work on this is something I'd like to have in the home. I think this sort of thing would be good for my elders and nieces and nephews to be able to use if they would like. For them using my squat rack or kettlebells is intimidating but this could be a game changer.
I'm liking the idea of this as a machine to very easily get in a quick 10 minute full body workout with less effort than weights for lighter or more busy days. I think it'll fit very well within a standard weight training program for recovery and maintence.
I can see this being helpful for old people or people doing recovery exercise. But for the general public with a relatively fit body. No eccentric resistance. Only three possible movements, which can all be easily replaced by body weight exercises with a pair of high parallel bars + some resistance bands. Not to mention the latter is way cheaper and way easier to store.
I'm interested in knowing how this contrasts with the discontinued Dyno machine. A bit of history would be cool... why did the Dyno not succeed? What, if any, ideas carried forward to this new machine? What does this do differently/better?
As a C2 fanboy all stories from this amazing company is a treat. Great interview with the brothers and staff. Thanks DHR for being out on the field for this one! ”What even is this thing” 😂 I want one nonetheless!
I reckon it’s going to be an absolute game-changer for older person strength training. The lessons of the Dyno have obviously been learned. I’d love to see a shoulder push attachment to it, but maybe that’s for the future. It’s going to be a great machine for cardiac rehab and I can even see it in Hyrox-type events. The lack of eccentric phase may actually be a good thing.
@@Zane_Zaminsky It depends what you want to use it for. The no eccentric means you have very little chances of injury. This is not going to be making you jacked, but it does stimulate muscle fibers. If isometrics work, this can work too, y'know?
This is a great machine created to measure and work on strength endurance in the concentric phase of the movement. I think its a niche piece of equipment built to maintain and build athleticism in a safe way. I'm thinking of this like medicine ball slams or plyometrics not as an actual squat
Shane, this is amazing, thank you! I love all my C2 devices, but none of them are so universally applicable. It's particularly interesting when you have little space, for example when you live in rented accommodation.
Love concept 2. I still use my Model D (PM3) REGULARLY but this has limitations in the “strength” arena. Def an option for those that aren’t interested in using DBs, KB’s or BB’s at home or don’t want to use a machine at a global gym. I’m a pass but I may not be their target buyer. In the end, the consumer will decide this one and I wish them the best.
Being in Australia, it’ll probably be a while we have to wait, but looking forward to it. The purpose behind this new machine and the work the brothers have done is incredibly cool!
The form factor of this is amazing… looks like a really great seated leg press solution that doesn’t involve a huge plate loaded machine or a dangerous squat rack. same with the pressing motion too.. seated bench press. well done C2
I keep thinking out loud...when willl Concept2 come out with a new product...mind blown! I really see this replacing my wife's 2 day a week db rountine and me using for powerlifting accessories! Well done once again Concept2! 👏
@@DarkHorseRowing Heck yeah! I sent your video to my training buddy and he definitely wants one for his home gym too. I am already looking on their site for a notification reminder for when it goes live to sell 👀
It seems to take up very little space. And it's very safe. Just right for the private cellar gym. The film was very well made, very informative. I was absorbed and fascinated, thanks and well done👍
Nice! Lots of strength exercises in a small, compact machine. Funny, I row, not for speed or time but for me ... cardio and strength (core, back, legs, & biceps). I know it's taboo to use higher resistance settings, but it works for me. This new machine adds triceps, biceps, plus even higher resistance for core, back, legs, biceps.
The resistance this provides does not seem optimal for strength training based on current research. For one, there is no tension on the eccentric, and no stretch. I also find it mentally difficult when resistance increases the harder you go (in these kinds of movements), sort of how I hate spinning bikes with that friction-based resistance. I am fine with endurance workouts on the erg or a trainer like the Kickr.
In fact, the new Concept2 machine is more like an isokinetic training device used in rehabilitation, but it has been adapted for single-arm or single-leg strength training, rather than providing full-body exercises like typical isokinetic equipment, which often comes with complex measurement systems requiring professional medical supervision. During my rehabilitation, the center had me use isokinetic training devices, along with computer software to measure indicators such as my angular velocity and muscle strength, reflecting changes in my muscle power and joint mobility. I see this as rehabilitation technology being integrated into the traditional fitness field, representing an upgrade for the fitness industry. In a sense, this marks the first time that fitness is becoming so scientifically driven, rather than being entirely dependent on conventional fitness methods.
I have all 3 machines and love them all. This doesn’t appeal to me when dumbells and kettlebells exist. I would rather have seen An Assault bike style machine from C2 than this device. Maybe I will change my mind when some real reviews come out.
😮😮😮WOW!!! Two questions: 1) Does the cable system adjust up and down? (Can my 5-3 wife and 6-4 son adjust it for comfortability) 2) Can the foot pedals adjust up and down or also wider?? (Can the foot base go lower, say 4 to 6 inches, and wider, say 3 to 4 inches) So a 250 lbs woman or 400 lbs man looking to incorporate strength training into their weight loss can adjust it for more comfort. In my opinion those options would make it more widely usable for a wider customer base at a gym.
wonderful to see a significant innovation in resistance training tech/equipment it should lead to a wider adoption of strength training among older people who ordinarily fear or dislike the weights room; for existing cardio erg users the familiar flywheel mechanism provides a 'natural' transition to strength training, while for others it'll challenge their understanding of what actually constitute strength training, and perhaps will encourage them to try it and perhaps other non-weights modalities
Interesting concept (pun intended). Gives me the cable squat machine vibe. Also seeing a number makes it easier for progressive overload. Super curious on the final product
I have the rowerg and the bike erg and have been a fan of C2 for years. I’m a fan because the proven quality and durability of everything they produce is above all others. I had the chance to try this prototype out at HOCR yesterday and see real potential with this especially for people like myself as I age. I’m 62 and use free weights in conjunction with the other machines to keep me fit for on the water rowing. Problem with free weights I’m finding that I’m dropping in weight per exercise mainly due to joint injuries that come and go. It’s inevitable that I hurt something the more often I work out regardless of doing high rep lower weights. The value in this is the ability to change the force of your effort mid rep before straining a joint where that is more difficult with a set weight. I’ll be transitioning to this in time. Glad this option will be there.
The free weight injury stuff you wrote......so so true. Recently learned that the hard way. Same age as you. I do wish this "concept" had a few more angles of motion though.
As a Concept2 fan, I can definitely see the StrengthErg becoming a staple in my home gym soon! I plan to use it for HIIT days and to get quick strength workouts in when I'm short on time. It could even be suitable for my 75-year-old mother! What I love about it: compact size, lightweight design, PM5 monitor, Erg data link, quick weight/force adjustments, and the ability to work muscles to failure safely. Plus, the customer support and product warranty are top-notch. One suggestion for improvement would be to add angled multi-grip push and pull handles. I think the Ironmaster Ultimate Row Handle design could be a great reference for this. Also, how is the feel of the knurling on the push and pull handles?
Really Like the Idea of this. Strength is so Important. Especially in the older population. I think it would be Very Important for a training program to be part of this. Most who buy the other 3 ergs will probably have an Idea of what to do with it. This I think would be different, otherwise it may be a catch all like a treadmill. That's my 2 cents
Two things holding me back for years acquiring a leg-press machine. They take up too much space and ... I'd get bored. The strength-erg may solve both!
I don't want to load plates; I don't want legs only; I don't want a beast to move around in the garage. Who knew you could get so much resistance from just a flywheel? Plus, I get metrics? Sign me up!
The Concept2 Strength looks very interesting! I’m a mobile personal trainer in the UK, and I can see how this can be used by a trainer like myself. Look forward to see further details and hope it’s priced realistically, regards Mark (Fit Forever Training)
This is a home gym for people (i.e. NYC) for whom before it was impossible to have a home gym, but whose schedules could benefit immensely from a home gym and a 20 minute strength workout.
I'm a big fan of Concept 2 equipment for my own masters sprint athletics training program. It will be interesting to see if the StregthErg will lend itself to fast, explosive, heavy reps
Two points I was concerned with, while watching the video. The back support seems rather thin to support the back when bench pressing. Also is there an angular adjustment for the bench press handle if the seat neither rises nor lowers?
My first thought is that for strength development inertia flywheel resistance is probably gonna be more productive and compact than air resistance. Kbox, strexbox etc.
I'd say this new machine would definitely compliment those working with the rowing machine. It would definitely help beginners build the power needed to move up to a higher level. I don't think it would really compliment skierg & bikeerg users, but time will tell.
I would suggest the ability to add a stronger flywheel, possibly add a second on the opposite side? Incredibly hard to build I bet but also a way to push and pull in the same movement would really set this up as something different. Max effort push and pull for speed would be incredibly popular and doesn’t really exist. They even indicate not fully knowing the best use case but adding truly dynamic strength options would imo give them something unique like the skier.
simple is best. the rower, bike, & ski are simple, reliable, and trusted. for strength barbells are the same. this machine won’t replace barbells. it places no demands on the core, doesn’t load the spine, or allow full range of motion. concept2 should work on updating the pm5 with wifi and a second bluetooth channel. they should also make the damper settings more visible in concept2 green so they can be seen in low light.
Looks interesting. I can't say I would get one just yet..... I have a good half rack with an upper and lower pulley, along with dip, roman chair and pull up bar. We also have a rack of dumbbells. I have the C2 Bike and Row ergs, and love them. I am probably not the customer this is marketed towards. But so glad they are willing to explore and expand their product line up. I would probably get a ski erg before one of these. My main sport is mountain biking. I am a C2 fanboy but love my iron weights too much to add for trade for one of these machines.
How is this not a reworked C2 Dyno? It doesn't even appear on their product history wall chart you showed. Don't get me wrong, it looks useful, but expensive for a limited number of exercises. I've had a C2 Rower for 20 years, so I know they're really well built. I'd like to see an adaptor to allow lat pull down.
Intéressant, je suis un athlète de force qui es venu à l’endurance par le rowerg et le bikeerg, je suis donc curieux d’essayer celui ci en sachant d’où je viens.
Without the eccentric movement I see this as a way of active recovery and maintaining strength. It's easier to recover from just concentric work. It's a bit like using a sled for active recovery. I don't see a lot of use in high loads loads with low reps but there is a lot of use in medium- to low-load-training. This is basicaly the counterpart to flywheel-training.
Love my C2 rower and considering swapping out my Rogue Echo bike for the BikeErg. I do also strength training with body weight and kettlebells. Wish there were a way to try one of these before purchase and before totally changing my training modality. Too bad these (and the other C2 machines) aren’t available somewhere in a retail store to try out.
I first thought this would be a somewhat desperate fitness gimmick to appear relevant. After watching the video and understanding they actually created this based on their needs and after seeing its potential, I’m definitely intrigued. It’s not gimmicky at all and seems relevant to overall fitness depending on a person’s goals. I can’t wait to try it. Very cool.
Depends on the price. If above 1500 not worth it. One can buy a very smith machine combo rack for this amount. Very low footprint indeed, but unless they have some attachments for doing other exercise then it is very limited.
They'd sell a lot of units @ $1500. I'm not sure they'd any profit @ that price. Recouping a 2+ year development cost in a reasonable time frame is going to add substantially to the final price. For folks just getting into strength training, this may have some value. I can't see it adding anything to an established home gym or for those of us who enjoy going to the gym.
@@cusebike5391 I agree. For around 2k one can have a folding rack with a hydraulic smith machine, which includes wire attachments for pull downs, rows etc. I have one and keep in my living room, barely takes any space when folded. For anyone above 40 doing three rep max workouts is terrible for the joints. Maybe a good solution if space is an issue, but there is nothing there that a body workout nd a few strong resistance bands cannot do as well. Look forward to seeing it's final form.
At my age, loading and unloading plates gets old. I would love to see additional: a lat pull-down, flyes, calf-raise, shoulder press, and shoulder shrugs but I’m wondering the erg’s flywheel needs a certain length to engage properly so short movements might not work.
as the flywheel gains momentum, it becomes easier to row. I'm unsure if you got a sense of that with the few reps you performed. I'd be interested to see if they are able to calculate a weight equivalence in pounds to give buyers a standard to compare against, but can imagine that'd be difficult on a type of machine whose power output changes based on the inertia of the flywheel at any given time. It is an interesting piece, but as someone interested in dedicated strength training, I can't see how I'd incorporate this into my training.
No eccentric, high learning curve. I cant see this having a place in a gym in its current form. Right now competes between simple body weight (particularly for aging) and the wall mirror (if you need an all in one, higher weights, and direct drive)
I absolutely LOVE Concept2. They have all their replacement parts available to service every generation of their product and at reasonable prices. No one does that. Such a great company and product line.
Yes, I will buy one ASAP and don’t care about cost. Old ultra endurance guy here, 68, with VO2MAX of 54 on bike and run. Have both row erg and ski erg. Anything that helps me keep my strength in my final years is priceless.
This is going to be a badass one stop gym for my geriatric patients and an awesome training tool for my gym for the young guns.
anything that eliminates the source of at least equal resistance eccentric phase is a poor choice for building muscle and probably for strength, though can be a good tool for power (rate of force production) and would yield faster recovery.
@@jedinxf7time under tension is mostly why eccentrics build muscle. There is no reason you shouldn’t be able to modify your workouts for this if that’s your interest.
This would be a perfect machine for someone just trying to stay strong without the hassle of making time to go to the gym. It's not gonna turn you into superman BUT it will certainly make maintenance a lot easier.
Having several Concept2 products, every time I use them I marvel at the quality and the ease of use that just isn’t there with their competitors offerings - which makes me want to use it and not have a barrier to working out.
I’m a fan of Concept 2 having both the RowErg and BikeErg. Their ethos as a company is exceptional.
Hope this new product takes off.
Going to add this one to my Bike and Row ERG set! Love the concept of it. And look how compact it is!
And now for something completely different:
Looks like an awesome machine to make workouts interesting and challenging. The smaller footprint will work for gyms and for homes, it is smart and compact.
Well done to the Concept 2 team.
I think I love this! The small footprint is great. I can see creating a circuit workout between this and the other C2 machines for a killer workout! Can't wait for the release. Also, great job on the video editing.
No eccentric resistance. It exists already with a weight stack.
Having no resistance on the eccentric makes this minimally useful.
i was going to type this but found this comment.
I really dont think this machine will be as loved as their other machines. it seems that they didn't really have some other opinions put into this from PT's S&Cs or Physios. This machine is a novelty, but i think that where it finishes which is v disappointing.
The fact there was no mention of (actually, willfully avoiding IMO) the *very* similar C2 DYNO from 2000 is very telling. This machine is actually at least 25 years in the making. Also, they still haven"t added a hinge exercise- the single most important component of the rowing motion.
That said, I hope it sells. But I suspect that they haven't addressed the criticisms of the DYNO sufficiently for it to find success.
Agree. Kbox Exxentric would be better.
Na its a cool thing u guys just cant see it.
minimally useful like a weighted or magnetic sled for example? the sled that you (and the world's strongest men) push and pull
I didnt realise you couldn't grow stronger or drive muscular hypertrophy with sled push and pulls because they're only concentric
thanks for your exceptional wisdom
Oh my another concept machine to Get.. Can't wait this is perfect for me.
Much like the RowErg, I love that this also embodies the Concept2 ideology of “competing with yourself” so that what you’re doing is betting your performance instead of competing with someone else is accomplishing. No matter what you can do, or what you’re capable of, you can get your workout and improve at the pace you can safely sustained. I’ll be getting one!
I think this offers some good options for my disabled child to focus on some easy to replicate motions which require less motor planning steps to get some very good exercise and resistance. I'd love to have an opportunity to pilot one for her. She has a pretty severe intellectual disability and motor planning disfunction and full rowing is probably way to many steps. She has also torn her mpfl ligament and will need to strengthen her quad before they can surgically repair and the first movement offers a very easy but yet effective method to strengthen her quad. Happy to see what might work.
When I heard that C2 were bringing out a new machine I desperately wanted it to be a elliptical which I would buy tomorrow, but have to now tell the wife I really need the strength erg 😂 Thanks Shane for showing us this .
Without room for a full rack or anything like that in my basement gym this is a huge win! I can "squat" and "bench" very safely in a small form factor and one machine is versatile enough for me, my wife, AND my kids.
I think the inability to topple over or have a barbell crush you when you're close to failure is a big selling point. The fact that I wouldn't need to load or unload and store plates is another plus in my book.
I like how compact the StrengthErg seems to be. Especially if your space for a home gym is very limited its important. I have enjoyed the rowing erg from Concept 2 for many years, and in particulate the ability to easily disassemble it so it stores in a tight space is brilliant. And also the quality of the products from Concept 2 is not to debate. It is extremely high...
The compact nature sold me but my one want for it is an ability to overhead press. I feel like that space of strength is incredibly important and would like to see that over a bench press ability. That said, I'll definitely be buying one as the footprint, versatility, and unique work on this is something I'd like to have in the home. I think this sort of thing would be good for my elders and nieces and nephews to be able to use if they would like. For them using my squat rack or kettlebells is intimidating but this could be a game changer.
I'm liking the idea of this as a machine to very easily get in a quick 10 minute full body workout with less effort than weights for lighter or more busy days. I think it'll fit very well within a standard weight training program for recovery and maintence.
Man I could absolutely see how hard you were working. And I know how strong you are already!
I can see this being helpful for old people or people doing recovery exercise. But for the general public with a relatively fit body. No eccentric resistance. Only three possible movements, which can all be easily replaced by body weight exercises with a pair of high parallel bars + some resistance bands. Not to mention the latter is way cheaper and way easier to store.
I'm interested in knowing how this contrasts with the discontinued Dyno machine. A bit of history would be cool... why did the Dyno not succeed? What, if any, ideas carried forward to this new machine? What does this do differently/better?
It was large and not exactly portable. I had it long time ago it was good but I couldn’t utilize it like I wanted to.
As a C2 fanboy all stories from this amazing company is a treat. Great interview with the brothers and staff. Thanks DHR for being out on the field for this one! ”What even is this thing” 😂 I want one nonetheless!
I reckon it’s going to be an absolute game-changer for older person strength training. The lessons of the Dyno have obviously been learned. I’d love to see a shoulder push attachment to it, but maybe that’s for the future.
It’s going to be a great machine for cardiac rehab and I can even see it in Hyrox-type events. The lack of eccentric phase may actually be a good thing.
Disagree with your last sentence.
@@Zane_Zaminskymy concern too. No eccentric
@@Zane_Zaminsky It depends what you want to use it for. The no eccentric means you have very little chances of injury. This is not going to be making you jacked, but it does stimulate muscle fibers. If isometrics work, this can work too, y'know?
This is a great machine created to measure and work on strength endurance in the concentric phase of the movement. I think its a niche piece of equipment built to maintain and build athleticism in a safe way. I'm thinking of this like medicine ball slams or plyometrics not as an actual squat
My life wouldn't be the same without my rowing erg. Seriously, I wouldn't be who I am. LOVE their products.
Shane, this is amazing, thank you! I love all my C2 devices, but none of them are so universally applicable. It's particularly interesting when you have little space, for example when you live in rented accommodation.
J’ai hâte de pouvoir l’essayer!! Ça à l’air cool et mystérieux
Love concept 2. I still use my Model D (PM3) REGULARLY but this has limitations in the “strength” arena. Def an option for those that aren’t interested in using DBs, KB’s or BB’s at home or don’t want to use a machine at a global gym. I’m a pass but I may not be their target buyer. In the end, the consumer will decide this one and I wish them the best.
Being in Australia, it’ll probably be a while we have to wait, but looking forward to it. The purpose behind this new machine and the work the brothers have done is incredibly cool!
I so trust this company! I’ve been on temhe fence for getting some sort of strength training equipment along side my Row Erg. Very excited!
That looks really interesting! I’d love to try one of those out in my garage gym!
The form factor of this is amazing… looks like a really great seated leg press solution that doesn’t involve a huge plate loaded machine or a dangerous squat rack. same with the pressing motion too.. seated bench press. well done C2
The concept is that of a safe to use gym, concentrated in the footprint of a small bike.
Dyno v2. It is surprising they're bringing this back, it was not popular or particularly useful the first time. The old models are still out there.
Perfect for an apartment/condo without disturbing your neighbors. Not to mention what looks to be a good workout. Nice job!
I keep thinking out loud...when willl Concept2 come out with a new product...mind blown! I really see this replacing my wife's 2 day a week db rountine and me using for powerlifting accessories! Well done once again Concept2! 👏
So you think you’ll end up with one?
@@DarkHorseRowing Heck yeah! I sent your video to my training buddy and he definitely wants one for his home gym too. I am already looking on their site for a notification reminder for when it goes live to sell 👀
Wished they could replicate the overpriced VersaClimber.
@@CardioKing408there are many alternatives to the Versaclimber I have the home model great workout but wish I had resistance
It seems to take up very little space. And it's very safe. Just right for the private cellar gym. The film was very well made, very informative. I was absorbed and fascinated, thanks and well done👍
Nice! Lots of strength exercises in a small, compact machine. Funny, I row, not for speed or time but for me ... cardio and strength (core, back, legs, & biceps). I know it's taboo to use higher resistance settings, but it works for me. This new machine adds triceps, biceps, plus even higher resistance for core, back, legs, biceps.
The resistance this provides does not seem optimal for strength training based on current research. For one, there is no tension on the eccentric, and no stretch. I also find it mentally difficult when resistance increases the harder you go (in these kinds of movements), sort of how I hate spinning bikes with that friction-based resistance. I am fine with endurance workouts on the erg or a trainer like the Kickr.
I had this exact thought. Without the eccentric load you're missing out on half the rep and losing that deep stretch.
Noticed this too… pretty cool innovation but looks like zero eccentric loading.
Yeah, for the price just buy a set of adjustable dumbbells and a bench.
In fact, the new Concept2 machine is more like an isokinetic training device used in rehabilitation, but it has been adapted for single-arm or single-leg strength training, rather than providing full-body exercises like typical isokinetic equipment, which often comes with complex measurement systems requiring professional medical supervision. During my rehabilitation, the center had me use isokinetic training devices, along with computer software to measure indicators such as my angular velocity and muscle strength, reflecting changes in my muscle power and joint mobility. I see this as rehabilitation technology being integrated into the traditional fitness field, representing an upgrade for the fitness industry. In a sense, this marks the first time that fitness is becoming so scientifically driven, rather than being entirely dependent on conventional fitness methods.
I have all 3 machines and love them all.
This doesn’t appeal to me when dumbells and kettlebells exist.
I would rather have seen An Assault bike style machine from C2 than this device.
Maybe I will change my mind when some real reviews come out.
No negative resistance? If so, then “No go!”
😮😮😮WOW!!! Two questions: 1) Does the cable system adjust up and down? (Can my 5-3 wife and 6-4 son adjust it for comfortability) 2) Can the foot pedals adjust up and down or also wider?? (Can the foot base go lower, say 4 to 6 inches, and wider, say 3 to 4 inches) So a 250 lbs woman or 400 lbs man looking to incorporate strength training into their weight loss can adjust it for more comfort. In my opinion those options would make it more widely usable for a wider customer base at a gym.
Looks awesome. I just found my 2025 fitness self gift. Really eager to see reviews from different expertise fields about this machine.
I think that’s the most interesting part is where will it land in the industry
wonderful to see a significant innovation in resistance training tech/equipment
it should lead to a wider adoption of strength training among older people who ordinarily fear or dislike the weights room; for existing cardio erg users the familiar flywheel mechanism provides a 'natural' transition to strength training, while for others it'll challenge their understanding of what actually constitute strength training, and perhaps will encourage them to try it and perhaps other non-weights modalities
I like this machine. I’m a big free weight guy but this machine has a place in a lot of people’s gym. I like the safety aspect
Interesting concept (pun intended). Gives me the cable squat machine vibe. Also seeing a number makes it easier for progressive overload. Super curious on the final product
Agreed. I do love the actual unit of measurement giving you legitimate feedback
This should go into every doctors office/PT office, but from a home health standpoint it’s great for old people.
I have the rowerg and the bike erg and have been a fan of C2 for years. I’m a fan because the proven quality and durability of everything they produce is above all others. I had the chance to try this prototype out at HOCR yesterday and see real potential with this especially for people like myself as I age. I’m 62 and use free weights in conjunction with the other machines to keep me fit for on the water rowing. Problem with free weights I’m finding that I’m dropping in weight per exercise mainly due to joint injuries that come and go. It’s inevitable that I hurt something the more often I work out regardless of doing high rep lower weights. The value in this is the ability to change the force of your effort mid rep before straining a joint where that is more difficult with a set weight. I’ll be transitioning to this in time. Glad this option will be there.
The free weight injury stuff you wrote......so so true. Recently learned that the hard way. Same age as you. I do wish this "concept" had a few more angles of motion though.
As a Concept2 fan, I can definitely see the StrengthErg becoming a staple in my home gym soon! I plan to use it for HIIT days and to get quick strength workouts in when I'm short on time. It could even be suitable for my 75-year-old mother!
What I love about it: compact size, lightweight design, PM5 monitor, Erg data link, quick weight/force adjustments, and the ability to work muscles to failure safely. Plus, the customer support and product warranty are top-notch.
One suggestion for improvement would be to add angled multi-grip push and pull handles. I think the Ironmaster Ultimate Row Handle design could be a great reference for this.
Also, how is the feel of the knurling on the push and pull handles?
Really Like the Idea of this. Strength is so Important. Especially in the older population. I think it would be Very Important for a training program to be part of this. Most who buy the other 3 ergs will probably have an Idea of what to do with it. This I think would be different, otherwise it may be a catch all like a treadmill.
That's my 2 cents
Two things holding me back for years acquiring a leg-press machine. They take up too much space and ... I'd get bored. The strength-erg may solve both!
I don't want to load plates; I don't want legs only; I don't want a beast to move around in the garage. Who knew you could get so much resistance from just a flywheel? Plus, I get metrics? Sign me up!
Interesting! I use my present erg as a strength devise, and will wait and see how this erg develops.
The Concept2 Strength looks very interesting! I’m a mobile personal trainer in the UK, and I can see how this can be used by a trainer like myself. Look forward to see further details and hope it’s priced realistically, regards Mark (Fit Forever Training)
Already have the SkiErg and Rower, love what they do and their whole philosophy
Looks sick! Looks very innovative! Great video and insight into the company as well! Hope to support in the near future! Thanks!
This is a home gym for people (i.e. NYC) for whom before it was impossible to have a home gym, but whose schedules could benefit immensely from a home gym and a 20 minute strength workout.
Reminds me of those ‘4 Minutes Per Day’ machines sold in the 1990s
Exactly but not quite I had a dyno and tried a ROM machine. The ROM blew the dyno away tbh
I'm a big fan of Concept 2 equipment for my own masters sprint athletics training program. It will be interesting to see if the StregthErg will lend itself to fast, explosive, heavy reps
seems ideal for dropsets. i'll wait for the coop (garage gym) review
So, ZERO eccentric resistance? What about progression?
Zero eccentric means little soreness if any. If you take a couple weeks off from strength training soreness can be an issue do to the eccentric.
Two points I was concerned with, while watching the video. The back support seems rather thin to support the back when bench pressing. Also is there an angular adjustment for the bench press handle if the seat neither rises nor lowers?
Not only thin but too low
oh I love this. Small footprint also!
Really interesting product! It reminds me plenty of the Exxentric flywheel technology but with a very unique form factor.
My first thought is that for strength development inertia flywheel resistance is probably gonna be more productive and compact than air resistance. Kbox, strexbox etc.
100% purchase for me.
This is a great idea
Such an easy access point to strength training
I'd say this new machine would definitely compliment those working with the rowing machine. It would definitely help beginners build the power needed to move up to a higher level. I don't think it would really compliment skierg & bikeerg users, but time will tell.
I have the bike/rower/skier and yeah I’m definitely buy this!!!
Im physio from Finland, and all I see is pure potential.
I am definitely in for this!
I would suggest the ability to add a stronger flywheel, possibly add a second on the opposite side?
Incredibly hard to build I bet but also a way to push and pull in the same movement would really set this up as something different.
Max effort push and pull for speed would be incredibly popular and doesn’t really exist.
They even indicate not fully knowing the best use case but adding truly dynamic strength options would imo give them something unique like the skier.
simple is best. the rower, bike, & ski are simple, reliable, and trusted. for strength barbells are the same. this machine won’t replace barbells. it places no demands on the core, doesn’t load the spine, or allow full range of motion.
concept2 should work on updating the pm5 with wifi and a second bluetooth channel. they should also make the damper settings more visible in concept2 green so they can be seen in low light.
Looks interesting. I can't say I would get one just yet..... I have a good half rack with an upper and lower pulley, along with dip, roman chair and pull up bar. We also have a rack of dumbbells. I have the C2 Bike and Row ergs, and love them. I am probably not the customer this is marketed towards. But so glad they are willing to explore and expand their product line up. I would probably get a ski erg before one of these. My main sport is mountain biking. I am a C2 fanboy but love my iron weights too much to add for trade for one of these machines.
How is this not a reworked C2 Dyno? It doesn't even appear on their product history wall chart you showed.
Don't get me wrong, it looks useful, but expensive for a limited number of exercises. I've had a C2 Rower for 20 years, so I know they're really well built.
I'd like to see an adaptor to allow lat pull down.
I was thinking the exact same (C2 Dyno is missing) looking at the wall and history of products
Intéressant, je suis un athlète de force qui es venu à l’endurance par le rowerg et le bikeerg, je suis donc curieux d’essayer celui ci en sachant d’où je viens.
Take it on the road, so we can try it out.
This looks great! Is there any resistance/loading applied on the negative aspect of the rep?
Without the eccentric movement I see this as a way of active recovery and maintaining strength. It's easier to recover from just concentric work. It's a bit like using a sled for active recovery. I don't see a lot of use in high loads loads with low reps but there is a lot of use in medium- to low-load-training.
This is basicaly the counterpart to flywheel-training.
The Dyno is back I wish I could review one
This looks amazing! Kinda makes me wonder if they can make a tree pulley hybrid out of this thing.
Love my C2 rower and considering swapping out my Rogue Echo bike for the BikeErg. I do also strength training with body weight and kettlebells. Wish there were a way to try one of these before purchase and before totally changing my training modality. Too bad these (and the other C2 machines) aren’t available somewhere in a retail store to try out.
OK, I'm a bit over excited here. 😂😂😂 They could make a second one that you sit at to military press and lat pull combo.
Yeah I'm gonna need this yesterday please.
🫡 ill tell them to rush order
time to start saving money for it.
I first thought this would be a somewhat desperate fitness gimmick to appear relevant. After watching the video and understanding they actually created this based on their needs and after seeing its potential, I’m definitely intrigued. It’s not gimmicky at all and seems relevant to overall fitness depending on a person’s goals. I can’t wait to try it. Very cool.
I was thinking of adding the ski erg to my row erg but I think I’d rather have this when it comes out!
I’d buy that - I’d use it as a station in my gym - I checked it on the website and price isn’t bad - I don’t need the monitor
Depends on the price. If above 1500 not worth it. One can buy a very smith machine combo rack for this amount. Very low footprint indeed, but unless they have some attachments for doing other exercise then it is very limited.
They'd sell a lot of units @ $1500. I'm not sure they'd any profit @ that price. Recouping a 2+ year development cost in a reasonable time frame is going to add substantially to the final price.
For folks just getting into strength training, this may have some value. I can't see it adding anything to an established home gym or for those of us who enjoy going to the gym.
@@cusebike5391 I agree. For around 2k one can have a folding rack with a hydraulic smith machine, which includes wire attachments for pull downs, rows etc. I have one and keep in my living room, barely takes any space when folded. For anyone above 40 doing three rep max workouts is terrible for the joints. Maybe a good solution if space is an issue, but there is nothing there that a body workout nd a few strong resistance bands cannot do as well. Look forward to seeing it's final form.
$1,350 without a PM5, $1,500 with a PM5.
It's almost the same footprint as a rack, barbells, and plates. You're probably looking at a similar cost for both.
aside from aging athletes I can see this being a great tool in the PT/Rehab space. It can replace many expensive machines.
I'm certainly interested, but I would want to try out the machine first
Do you get eccentric contractions with the strength exercises on this machine? Are there benefits for concentric only in strength training?
Super excited !
Very cool. Love this!
Is it gonna be available for Belgium in the beginning to? Love their Products der build Quality is very good
At my age, loading and unloading plates gets old. I would love to see additional: a lat pull-down, flyes, calf-raise, shoulder press, and shoulder shrugs but I’m wondering the erg’s flywheel needs a certain length to engage properly so short movements might not work.
If only Concept2 was not that noisy. I prefer weight lifting it adds balance to the equation. 😊 Best of luck to them.
as the flywheel gains momentum, it becomes easier to row. I'm unsure if you got a sense of that with the few reps you performed. I'd be interested to see if they are able to calculate a weight equivalence in pounds to give buyers a standard to compare against, but can imagine that'd be difficult on a type of machine whose power output changes based on the inertia of the flywheel at any given time. It is an interesting piece, but as someone interested in dedicated strength training, I can't see how I'd incorporate this into my training.
Seems like there should be a direct lb/kg translation to the resistance numbers on the flywheel.
No eccentric, high learning curve. I cant see this having a place in a gym in its current form. Right now competes between simple body weight (particularly for aging) and the wall mirror (if you need an all in one, higher weights, and direct drive)