I absolutely LOVE Concept2. They have all their replacement parts available to service every generation of their product and at reasonable prices. No one does that. Such a great company and product line.
This would be a perfect machine for someone just trying to stay strong without the hassle of making time to go to the gym. It's not gonna turn you into superman BUT it will certainly make maintenance a lot easier.
Fantastic; this is the kind of thing I've been hoping Concept 2 would pursue. Can't wait for it. Will be in the queue and it'll take place next to my bike erg.
Having several Concept2 products, every time I use them I marvel at the quality and the ease of use that just isn’t there with their competitors offerings - which makes me want to use it and not have a barrier to working out.
And now for something completely different: Looks like an awesome machine to make workouts interesting and challenging. The smaller footprint will work for gyms and for homes, it is smart and compact. Well done to the Concept 2 team.
Much like the RowErg, I love that this also embodies the Concept2 ideology of “competing with yourself” so that what you’re doing is betting your performance instead of competing with someone else is accomplishing. No matter what you can do, or what you’re capable of, you can get your workout and improve at the pace you can safely sustained. I’ll be getting one!
anything that eliminates the source of at least equal resistance eccentric phase is a poor choice for building muscle and probably for strength, though can be a good tool for power (rate of force production) and would yield faster recovery.
@@jedinxf7time under tension is mostly why eccentrics build muscle. There is no reason you shouldn’t be able to modify your workouts for this if that’s your interest.
I think this offers some good options for my disabled child to focus on some easy to replicate motions which require less motor planning steps to get some very good exercise and resistance. I'd love to have an opportunity to pilot one for her. She has a pretty severe intellectual disability and motor planning disfunction and full rowing is probably way to many steps. She has also torn her mpfl ligament and will need to strengthen her quad before they can surgically repair and the first movement offers a very easy but yet effective method to strengthen her quad. Happy to see what might work.
I think I love this! The small footprint is great. I can see creating a circuit workout between this and the other C2 machines for a killer workout! Can't wait for the release. Also, great job on the video editing.
i was going to type this but found this comment. I really dont think this machine will be as loved as their other machines. it seems that they didn't really have some other opinions put into this from PT's S&Cs or Physios. This machine is a novelty, but i think that where it finishes which is v disappointing.
minimally useful like a weighted or magnetic sled for example? the sled that you (and the world's strongest men) push and pull I didnt realise you couldn't grow stronger or drive muscular hypertrophy with sled push and pulls because they're only concentric thanks for your exceptional wisdom
@@svengali5415i mean... you can't meaningfully if your goals are above average dadbod? not a single strong person has gotten there exclusively on zero-eccentric movements, and to the extent it's possible why should anyone purchase something for a suboptimal approach to a solved problem? weights exist already.
I like how compact the StrengthErg seems to be. Especially if your space for a home gym is very limited its important. I have enjoyed the rowing erg from Concept 2 for many years, and in particulate the ability to easily disassemble it so it stores in a tight space is brilliant. And also the quality of the products from Concept 2 is not to debate. It is extremely high...
The compact nature sold me but my one want for it is an ability to overhead press. I feel like that space of strength is incredibly important and would like to see that over a bench press ability. That said, I'll definitely be buying one as the footprint, versatility, and unique work on this is something I'd like to have in the home. I think this sort of thing would be good for my elders and nieces and nephews to be able to use if they would like. For them using my squat rack or kettlebells is intimidating but this could be a game changer.
@@trollzone1 concentric is much less muscle damaging for sure. That said it’s easier to recover from and hence you can workout more over time. It also makes injury less likely. I could see this being beneficial for people recovering from injury or people with chronic injury to knees or shoulders. and finally concentric only is great for power movements, think sled pulls and pushes, and Olympic lifts. Those are amazing for building power and are mainly or completely concentric focused
The form factor of this is amazing… looks like a really great seated leg press solution that doesn’t involve a huge plate loaded machine or a dangerous squat rack. same with the pressing motion too.. seated bench press. well done C2
I'm interested in knowing how this contrasts with the discontinued Dyno machine. A bit of history would be cool... why did the Dyno not succeed? What, if any, ideas carried forward to this new machine? What does this do differently/better?
From the bottom of my heart thanks for the videos you put out I watched one of your form videos and I just passed my army fitness test with the 5K row first time I ever did it 23 minutes with your form video
@@DarkHorseRowing I know you rep for Concept2 Have you had any time on the Rouge Rower ? im definitely interested in buying one it is cheaper than the concept 2
@ I’ve watched about as many of the reviews as exist. Don’t buy the hype though. To save $100 you’re buying Chinese made and assembled, no track record of long term quality, and no one takes customer care more seriously than Concept2. The monitor is also not comparable to the C2 monitor despite the claims so the machine will still be in its own category and not comparable to the C2.
I’m an amputee as well. This machine seems very safe and effective for me to use with one leg. I row with one leg too, this looks very cool. Can’t wait to see more!
As a C2 fanboy all stories from this amazing company is a treat. Great interview with the brothers and staff. Thanks DHR for being out on the field for this one! ”What even is this thing” 😂 I want one nonetheless!
I'm liking the idea of this as a machine to very easily get in a quick 10 minute full body workout with less effort than weights for lighter or more busy days. I think it'll fit very well within a standard weight training program for recovery and maintence.
Without room for a full rack or anything like that in my basement gym this is a huge win! I can "squat" and "bench" very safely in a small form factor and one machine is versatile enough for me, my wife, AND my kids.
I think the inability to topple over or have a barbell crush you when you're close to failure is a big selling point. The fact that I wouldn't need to load or unload and store plates is another plus in my book.
I think one strength of this that applies to the rower as well is that they are pretty easy to move around. So it is great for setting up for group workout classes as well for people that like to move this equipment outside and use it when it is nice or are low on space and have to constantly shuffle machines around. Also for people like me that love weights but waiting on my 2nd back surgery this year, and looking for extremely low risk alternatives. Will be cool to see.
The Concept2 Strength looks very interesting! I’m a mobile personal trainer in the UK, and I can see how this can be used by a trainer like myself. Look forward to see further details and hope it’s priced realistically, regards Mark (Fit Forever Training)
It’s a great “concept”. I’d like to see more adjustability. Also the ability to move it to an actual squat and actual lat pull . There should be a chest brace for that pull movement. It’d also be cool to see what “weight” equivalent range it associates to the resistance.
😮😮😮WOW!!! Two questions: 1) Does the cable system adjust up and down? (Can my 5-3 wife and 6-4 son adjust it for comfortability) 2) Can the foot pedals adjust up and down or also wider?? (Can the foot base go lower, say 4 to 6 inches, and wider, say 3 to 4 inches) So a 250 lbs woman or 400 lbs man looking to incorporate strength training into their weight loss can adjust it for more comfort. In my opinion those options would make it more widely usable for a wider customer base at a gym.
Being in Australia, it’ll probably be a while we have to wait, but looking forward to it. The purpose behind this new machine and the work the brothers have done is incredibly cool!
When I heard that C2 were bringing out a new machine I desperately wanted it to be a elliptical which I would buy tomorrow, but have to now tell the wife I really need the strength erg 😂 Thanks Shane for showing us this .
Love concept 2. I still use my Model D (PM3) REGULARLY but this has limitations in the “strength” arena. Def an option for those that aren’t interested in using DBs, KB’s or BB’s at home or don’t want to use a machine at a global gym. I’m a pass but I may not be their target buyer. In the end, the consumer will decide this one and I wish them the best.
Shane, this is amazing, thank you! I love all my C2 devices, but none of them are so universally applicable. It's particularly interesting when you have little space, for example when you live in rented accommodation.
I have a concept 2 model b rower from the early 90's that I still use daily. Just spent a couple 100$ on parts to refurb it and they had everything in stock for me to rebuild the old beast. Good products and company and nice to buy North American too and support our continental economy.
This is a great machine created to measure and work on strength endurance in the concentric phase of the movement. I think its a niche piece of equipment built to maintain and build athleticism in a safe way. I'm thinking of this like medicine ball slams or plyometrics not as an actual squat
Two points I was concerned with, while watching the video. The back support seems rather thin to support the back when bench pressing. Also is there an angular adjustment for the bench press handle if the seat neither rises nor lowers?
I reckon it’s going to be an absolute game-changer for older person strength training. The lessons of the Dyno have obviously been learned. I’d love to see a shoulder push attachment to it, but maybe that’s for the future. It’s going to be a great machine for cardiac rehab and I can even see it in Hyrox-type events. The lack of eccentric phase may actually be a good thing.
@@Zane_Zaminsky It depends what you want to use it for. The no eccentric means you have very little chances of injury. This is not going to be making you jacked, but it does stimulate muscle fibers. If isometrics work, this can work too, y'know?
wonderful to see a significant innovation in resistance training tech/equipment it should lead to a wider adoption of strength training among older people who ordinarily fear or dislike the weights room; for existing cardio erg users the familiar flywheel mechanism provides a 'natural' transition to strength training, while for others it'll challenge their understanding of what actually constitute strength training, and perhaps will encourage them to try it and perhaps other non-weights modalities
It seems to take up very little space. And it's very safe. Just right for the private cellar gym. The film was very well made, very informative. I was absorbed and fascinated, thanks and well done👍
As a Concept2 fan, I can definitely see the StrengthErg becoming a staple in my home gym soon! I plan to use it for HIIT days and to get quick strength workouts in when I'm short on time. It could even be suitable for my 75-year-old mother! What I love about it: compact size, lightweight design, PM5 monitor, Erg data link, quick weight/force adjustments, and the ability to work muscles to failure safely. Plus, the customer support and product warranty are top-notch. One suggestion for improvement would be to add angled multi-grip push and pull handles. I think the Ironmaster Ultimate Row Handle design could be a great reference for this. Also, how is the feel of the knurling on the push and pull handles?
How is this not a reworked C2 Dyno? It doesn't even appear on their product history wall chart you showed. Don't get me wrong, it looks useful, but expensive for a limited number of exercises. I've had a C2 Rower for 20 years, so I know they're really well built. I'd like to see an adaptor to allow lat pull down.
Another material thing in this world to be intrigued by and to want because that’s the way we are wired more is better … Concept two rower is fantastic .. I can tell you at age 55. I got very serious about my health. I had a personal trainer, worked out with dumbbells and body weight only exercise exercises. Other than a concept two rower as far as any kind of machine I got myself in the best shape I could possibly be. Amazing my whole life lifting weight who knew all I needed was my own body in the right direction . Just saying. Thanks for the video
Unless I'm missing something, this system has zero ability to load the eccentric portion of any of these movements. On the plus side, that should mean practically no soreness for users. On the downside, I think we would expect a significant reduction in hypertrophy potential, right? I love Concept2 as a company, but this does kind of seem like a significant flaw? Maybe for seniors, its less of a concern, but that's a fairly limited market.
Oh boy! I am an enthusiastic owner of the RowErg and the SkiErg and train on both machines every day. I guess I'll have to get the StrenghtErg now too.
I keep thinking out loud...when willl Concept2 come out with a new product...mind blown! I really see this replacing my wife's 2 day a week db rountine and me using for powerlifting accessories! Well done once again Concept2! 👏
@@DarkHorseRowing Heck yeah! I sent your video to my training buddy and he definitely wants one for his home gym too. I am already looking on their site for a notification reminder for when it goes live to sell 👀
I like the fact that you can isolate legs and arms but also add a push element. I have a damaged left arm that limits push reps (bench presses are impossible for me), this would be much safer.
Nice! Lots of strength exercises in a small, compact machine. Funny, I row, not for speed or time but for me ... cardio and strength (core, back, legs, & biceps). I know it's taboo to use higher resistance settings, but it works for me. This new machine adds triceps, biceps, plus even higher resistance for core, back, legs, biceps.
I'm a big fan of Concept 2 equipment for my own masters sprint athletics training program. It will be interesting to see if the StregthErg will lend itself to fast, explosive, heavy reps
My first thought is that for strength development inertia flywheel resistance is probably gonna be more productive and compact than air resistance. Kbox, strexbox etc.
In fact, the new Concept2 machine is more like an isokinetic training device used in rehabilitation, but it has been adapted for single-arm or single-leg strength training, rather than providing full-body exercises like typical isokinetic equipment, which often comes with complex measurement systems requiring professional medical supervision. During my rehabilitation, the center had me use isokinetic training devices, along with computer software to measure indicators such as my angular velocity and muscle strength, reflecting changes in my muscle power and joint mobility. I see this as rehabilitation technology being integrated into the traditional fitness field, representing an upgrade for the fitness industry. In a sense, this marks the first time that fitness is becoming so scientifically driven, rather than being entirely dependent on conventional fitness methods.
I own an SkiERG and and a Concept 2 rower. I am very interested in this product, especially the ability to build strength without injury, but I would like to see several professional reviews before I jump on it. Concept2 makes awesome products and I love the intent. I just want to make sure it's right for me. I understand this isn't a deep dive, but I'd also like to know what else it can do versatility-wise.
Depends on the price. If above 1500 not worth it. One can buy a very smith machine combo rack for this amount. Very low footprint indeed, but unless they have some attachments for doing other exercise then it is very limited.
They'd sell a lot of units @ $1500. I'm not sure they'd any profit @ that price. Recouping a 2+ year development cost in a reasonable time frame is going to add substantially to the final price. For folks just getting into strength training, this may have some value. I can't see it adding anything to an established home gym or for those of us who enjoy going to the gym.
@@cusebike5391 I agree. For around 2k one can have a folding rack with a hydraulic smith machine, which includes wire attachments for pull downs, rows etc. I have one and keep in my living room, barely takes any space when folded. For anyone above 40 doing three rep max workouts is terrible for the joints. Maybe a good solution if space is an issue, but there is nothing there that a body workout nd a few strong resistance bands cannot do as well. Look forward to seeing it's final form.
I can see this being helpful for old people or people doing recovery exercise. But for the general public with a relatively fit body. No eccentric resistance. Only three possible movements, which can all be easily replaced by body weight exercises with a pair of high parallel bars + some resistance bands. Not to mention the latter is way cheaper and way easier to store.
I currently attach a cord to my erg handle to do isometrics, so I would have preferred a single machine designed for rowing but with attachments for strength training. There was an earlier machine called a Dynamometer, similar to this, that was discontinued. How is this better? A problem with the Dynamic Erg is that you sweat right over the flywheel. I sold mine when it started to rust badly. This design might share the same problem. I do hope there are still changes to be made because the idea itself is a winner.
Love my C2 rower and considering swapping out my Rogue Echo bike for the BikeErg. I do also strength training with body weight and kettlebells. Wish there were a way to try one of these before purchase and before totally changing my training modality. Too bad these (and the other C2 machines) aren’t available somewhere in a retail store to try out.
Looking at the concept of this it reminds me a ton like a Isokintetic dynometer. Ive had a fascination with the concept of isokintetics and this machine is probably the closest thing to that without investing in the dynometer. Definitely going to invest in this.
I plan to procure one, once available, to replace my aged Bowflex - which, over the past 20 years, has been used to no longer represent the resistance it was designed to reflect.
At my age, loading and unloading plates gets old. I would love to see additional: a lat pull-down, flyes, calf-raise, shoulder press, and shoulder shrugs but I’m wondering the erg’s flywheel needs a certain length to engage properly so short movements might not work.
Why do you call those motions improper? I would like to see more range of motion on the leg press, but that’s more than what most people do at the gym anyway. The chest press and the row both involve shoulder motions. It does look like it lacks negative resistance. I have a different flywheel device that gives me negative resistance, so much that they named it Exxentric. I don’t know why this one wouldn’t have it… My bigger concerns are the lack of a hinging motion and some axial loading.
@@neilpollack3514 you kind of addressed and confirmed all my criticisms in your question……the only issue I have is your claim that the ancillary effect that rowing and chest press have on shoulders is sufficient - it’s not…….
Really Like the Idea of this. Strength is so Important. Especially in the older population. I think it would be Very Important for a training program to be part of this. Most who buy the other 3 ergs will probably have an Idea of what to do with it. This I think would be different, otherwise it may be a catch all like a treadmill. That's my 2 cents
This is a home gym for people (i.e. NYC) for whom before it was impossible to have a home gym, but whose schedules could benefit immensely from a home gym and a 20 minute strength workout.
The resistance this provides does not seem optimal for strength training based on current research. For one, there is no tension on the eccentric, and no stretch. I also find it mentally difficult when resistance increases the harder you go (in these kinds of movements), sort of how I hate spinning bikes with that friction-based resistance. I am fine with endurance workouts on the erg or a trainer like the Kickr.
Interesting concept (pun intended). Gives me the cable squat machine vibe. Also seeing a number makes it easier for progressive overload. Super curious on the final product
This seems hard to push, was this at the max resistance of the flying wheel? Can’t see people just starting strengthening exercises this tough resistance. Curious to see what it looks like on lower resistance. Love my Rowerg, didn’t go for the BikeErg though (have a Keiser m3i), and not really into the ski erg. This one actually seems interesting. Although I don’t like the look of the handles. Other than that I will wait for it to arrive in Europe , wait for some reviews and see what the price will be. Too bad it does not have eccentric movement, making the exercises less effective…. One thing take bear in mind
I would suggest the ability to add a stronger flywheel, possibly add a second on the opposite side? Incredibly hard to build I bet but also a way to push and pull in the same movement would really set this up as something different. Max effort push and pull for speed would be incredibly popular and doesn’t really exist. They even indicate not fully knowing the best use case but adding truly dynamic strength options would imo give them something unique like the skier.
Will be interesting to see how it develops - the opportunity for a single 'pull' or freestanding deadlift attachment would increase the use cases - but the lack of eccentric load (as far as I understand) puts it into a category of its own - more effective than nothing, less effective than something like a deadlift or free weights. So it is carving out a niche on its own and it would be good to run some athletes through it. Although, to be fair, they are talking about it for maintaining strength in ageing athletes in a safe environment - and if you exclude the use of free weights, it could fill that slot.
I absolutely LOVE Concept2. They have all their replacement parts available to service every generation of their product and at reasonable prices. No one does that. Such a great company and product line.
Totally agree!
This would be a perfect machine for someone just trying to stay strong without the hassle of making time to go to the gym. It's not gonna turn you into superman BUT it will certainly make maintenance a lot easier.
Fantastic; this is the kind of thing I've been hoping Concept 2 would pursue. Can't wait for it. Will be in the queue and it'll take place next to my bike erg.
Having several Concept2 products, every time I use them I marvel at the quality and the ease of use that just isn’t there with their competitors offerings - which makes me want to use it and not have a barrier to working out.
So you should at the price
I started using a C2 Erg in the 1980's. Great machines, great company. As a now older male (69) I look forward to learning more about this machine.
Going to add this one to my Bike and Row ERG set! Love the concept of it. And look how compact it is!
And now for something completely different:
Looks like an awesome machine to make workouts interesting and challenging. The smaller footprint will work for gyms and for homes, it is smart and compact.
Well done to the Concept 2 team.
Much like the RowErg, I love that this also embodies the Concept2 ideology of “competing with yourself” so that what you’re doing is betting your performance instead of competing with someone else is accomplishing. No matter what you can do, or what you’re capable of, you can get your workout and improve at the pace you can safely sustained. I’ll be getting one!
I absolutely love that Concept2 developed this machine. It will bring safe and effective strength training to the masses.
I’m a fan of Concept 2 having both the RowErg and BikeErg. Their ethos as a company is exceptional.
Hope this new product takes off.
This is going to be a badass one stop gym for my geriatric patients and an awesome training tool for my gym for the young guns.
anything that eliminates the source of at least equal resistance eccentric phase is a poor choice for building muscle and probably for strength, though can be a good tool for power (rate of force production) and would yield faster recovery.
@@jedinxf7time under tension is mostly why eccentrics build muscle. There is no reason you shouldn’t be able to modify your workouts for this if that’s your interest.
I think this offers some good options for my disabled child to focus on some easy to replicate motions which require less motor planning steps to get some very good exercise and resistance. I'd love to have an opportunity to pilot one for her. She has a pretty severe intellectual disability and motor planning disfunction and full rowing is probably way to many steps. She has also torn her mpfl ligament and will need to strengthen her quad before they can surgically repair and the first movement offers a very easy but yet effective method to strengthen her quad. Happy to see what might work.
I think I love this! The small footprint is great. I can see creating a circuit workout between this and the other C2 machines for a killer workout! Can't wait for the release. Also, great job on the video editing.
Having no resistance on the eccentric makes this minimally useful.
i was going to type this but found this comment.
I really dont think this machine will be as loved as their other machines. it seems that they didn't really have some other opinions put into this from PT's S&Cs or Physios. This machine is a novelty, but i think that where it finishes which is v disappointing.
Agree. Kbox Exxentric would be better.
Na its a cool thing u guys just cant see it.
minimally useful like a weighted or magnetic sled for example? the sled that you (and the world's strongest men) push and pull
I didnt realise you couldn't grow stronger or drive muscular hypertrophy with sled push and pulls because they're only concentric
thanks for your exceptional wisdom
@@svengali5415i mean... you can't meaningfully if your goals are above average dadbod? not a single strong person has gotten there exclusively on zero-eccentric movements, and to the extent it's possible why should anyone purchase something for a suboptimal approach to a solved problem? weights exist already.
Man I could absolutely see how hard you were working. And I know how strong you are already!
I like how compact the StrengthErg seems to be. Especially if your space for a home gym is very limited its important. I have enjoyed the rowing erg from Concept 2 for many years, and in particulate the ability to easily disassemble it so it stores in a tight space is brilliant. And also the quality of the products from Concept 2 is not to debate. It is extremely high...
The compact nature sold me but my one want for it is an ability to overhead press. I feel like that space of strength is incredibly important and would like to see that over a bench press ability. That said, I'll definitely be buying one as the footprint, versatility, and unique work on this is something I'd like to have in the home. I think this sort of thing would be good for my elders and nieces and nephews to be able to use if they would like. For them using my squat rack or kettlebells is intimidating but this could be a game changer.
No eccentric resistance. It exists already with a weight stack.
Why do you say that it doesn’t have eccentric resistance? Flywheels can do that.
I rewatched the video and it does look like there isn’t any eccentric resistance.
I just said the same thing. It’s concentric focused. The eccentric motion is as much if not more important for certain movements.
This 👆
@@trollzone1 concentric is much less muscle damaging for sure. That said it’s easier to recover from and hence you can workout more over time. It also makes injury less likely. I could see this being beneficial for people recovering from injury or people with chronic injury to knees or shoulders. and finally concentric only is great for power movements, think sled pulls and pushes, and Olympic lifts. Those are amazing for building power and are mainly or completely concentric focused
Oh my another concept machine to Get.. Can't wait this is perfect for me.
The form factor of this is amazing… looks like a really great seated leg press solution that doesn’t involve a huge plate loaded machine or a dangerous squat rack. same with the pressing motion too.. seated bench press. well done C2
I'm interested in knowing how this contrasts with the discontinued Dyno machine. A bit of history would be cool... why did the Dyno not succeed? What, if any, ideas carried forward to this new machine? What does this do differently/better?
It was large and not exactly portable. I had it long time ago it was good but I couldn’t utilize it like I wanted to.
From the bottom of my heart thanks for the videos you put out I watched one of your form videos and I just passed my army fitness test with the 5K row first time I ever did it 23 minutes with your form video
YES! That's amazing. Congratulations.
@@DarkHorseRowing I know you rep for Concept2 Have you had any time on the Rouge Rower ?
im definitely interested in buying one it is cheaper than the concept 2
@ I’ve watched about as many of the reviews as exist. Don’t buy the hype though. To save $100 you’re buying Chinese made and assembled, no track record of long term quality, and no one takes customer care more seriously than Concept2. The monitor is also not comparable to the C2 monitor despite the claims so the machine will still be in its own category and not comparable to the C2.
I can't wait to get it! This is the perfect addition to my home gym!
That is absolutely perfect for my father. He needs to train, but he is an amputy, and the footprint on this machine is excellent
I’m an amputee as well. This machine seems very safe and effective for me to use with one leg. I row with one leg too, this looks very cool. Can’t wait to see more!
Dyno v2. It is surprising they're bringing this back, it was not popular or particularly useful the first time. The old models are still out there.
Yes love to have one, I love my concept2!! Awesome information I appreciate!!
As a C2 fanboy all stories from this amazing company is a treat. Great interview with the brothers and staff. Thanks DHR for being out on the field for this one! ”What even is this thing” 😂 I want one nonetheless!
I'm liking the idea of this as a machine to very easily get in a quick 10 minute full body workout with less effort than weights for lighter or more busy days. I think it'll fit very well within a standard weight training program for recovery and maintence.
Definitely adding this to my Concept2 lineup. ❤it!
Very cool. Love it.
Without room for a full rack or anything like that in my basement gym this is a huge win! I can "squat" and "bench" very safely in a small form factor and one machine is versatile enough for me, my wife, AND my kids.
I think the inability to topple over or have a barbell crush you when you're close to failure is a big selling point. The fact that I wouldn't need to load or unload and store plates is another plus in my book.
I think one strength of this that applies to the rower as well is that they are pretty easy to move around. So it is great for setting up for group workout classes as well for people that like to move this equipment outside and use it when it is nice or are low on space and have to constantly shuffle machines around. Also for people like me that love weights but waiting on my 2nd back surgery this year, and looking for extremely low risk alternatives. Will be cool to see.
The Concept2 Strength looks very interesting! I’m a mobile personal trainer in the UK, and I can see how this can be used by a trainer like myself. Look forward to see further details and hope it’s priced realistically, regards Mark (Fit Forever Training)
Love my rower. Definitely gonna check this out
It’s a great “concept”. I’d like to see more adjustability. Also the ability to move it to an actual squat and actual lat pull . There should be a chest brace for that pull movement. It’d also be cool to see what “weight” equivalent range it associates to the resistance.
😮😮😮WOW!!! Two questions: 1) Does the cable system adjust up and down? (Can my 5-3 wife and 6-4 son adjust it for comfortability) 2) Can the foot pedals adjust up and down or also wider?? (Can the foot base go lower, say 4 to 6 inches, and wider, say 3 to 4 inches) So a 250 lbs woman or 400 lbs man looking to incorporate strength training into their weight loss can adjust it for more comfort. In my opinion those options would make it more widely usable for a wider customer base at a gym.
Being in Australia, it’ll probably be a while we have to wait, but looking forward to it. The purpose behind this new machine and the work the brothers have done is incredibly cool!
When I heard that C2 were bringing out a new machine I desperately wanted it to be a elliptical which I would buy tomorrow, but have to now tell the wife I really need the strength erg 😂 Thanks Shane for showing us this .
Love concept 2. I still use my Model D (PM3) REGULARLY but this has limitations in the “strength” arena. Def an option for those that aren’t interested in using DBs, KB’s or BB’s at home or don’t want to use a machine at a global gym. I’m a pass but I may not be their target buyer. In the end, the consumer will decide this one and I wish them the best.
Shane, this is amazing, thank you! I love all my C2 devices, but none of them are so universally applicable. It's particularly interesting when you have little space, for example when you live in rented accommodation.
I have a concept 2 model b rower from the early 90's that I still use daily. Just spent a couple 100$ on parts to refurb it and they had everything in stock for me to rebuild the old beast. Good products and company and nice to buy North American too and support our continental economy.
This is a great machine created to measure and work on strength endurance in the concentric phase of the movement. I think its a niche piece of equipment built to maintain and build athleticism in a safe way. I'm thinking of this like medicine ball slams or plyometrics not as an actual squat
I so trust this company! I’ve been on temhe fence for getting some sort of strength training equipment along side my Row Erg. Very excited!
Two points I was concerned with, while watching the video. The back support seems rather thin to support the back when bench pressing. Also is there an angular adjustment for the bench press handle if the seat neither rises nor lowers?
Not only thin but too low
I reckon it’s going to be an absolute game-changer for older person strength training. The lessons of the Dyno have obviously been learned. I’d love to see a shoulder push attachment to it, but maybe that’s for the future.
It’s going to be a great machine for cardiac rehab and I can even see it in Hyrox-type events. The lack of eccentric phase may actually be a good thing.
Disagree with your last sentence.
@@Zane_Zaminskymy concern too. No eccentric
@@Zane_Zaminsky It depends what you want to use it for. The no eccentric means you have very little chances of injury. This is not going to be making you jacked, but it does stimulate muscle fibers. If isometrics work, this can work too, y'know?
My life wouldn't be the same without my rowing erg. Seriously, I wouldn't be who I am. LOVE their products.
wonderful to see a significant innovation in resistance training tech/equipment
it should lead to a wider adoption of strength training among older people who ordinarily fear or dislike the weights room; for existing cardio erg users the familiar flywheel mechanism provides a 'natural' transition to strength training, while for others it'll challenge their understanding of what actually constitute strength training, and perhaps will encourage them to try it and perhaps other non-weights modalities
J’ai hâte de pouvoir l’essayer!! Ça à l’air cool et mystérieux
So, ZERO eccentric resistance? What about progression?
Zero eccentric means little soreness if any. If you take a couple weeks off from strength training soreness can be an issue do to the eccentric.
It seems to take up very little space. And it's very safe. Just right for the private cellar gym. The film was very well made, very informative. I was absorbed and fascinated, thanks and well done👍
As a Concept2 fan, I can definitely see the StrengthErg becoming a staple in my home gym soon! I plan to use it for HIIT days and to get quick strength workouts in when I'm short on time. It could even be suitable for my 75-year-old mother!
What I love about it: compact size, lightweight design, PM5 monitor, Erg data link, quick weight/force adjustments, and the ability to work muscles to failure safely. Plus, the customer support and product warranty are top-notch.
One suggestion for improvement would be to add angled multi-grip push and pull handles. I think the Ironmaster Ultimate Row Handle design could be a great reference for this.
Also, how is the feel of the knurling on the push and pull handles?
How is this not a reworked C2 Dyno? It doesn't even appear on their product history wall chart you showed.
Don't get me wrong, it looks useful, but expensive for a limited number of exercises. I've had a C2 Rower for 20 years, so I know they're really well built.
I'd like to see an adaptor to allow lat pull down.
I was thinking the exact same (C2 Dyno is missing) looking at the wall and history of products
That looks really interesting! I’d love to try one of those out in my garage gym!
Another material thing in this world to be intrigued by and to want because that’s the way we are wired more is better …
Concept two rower is fantastic ..
I can tell you at age 55. I got very serious about my health. I had a personal trainer, worked out with dumbbells and body weight only exercise exercises. Other than a concept two rower as far as any kind of machine I got myself in the best shape I could possibly be.
Amazing my whole life lifting weight who knew all I needed was my own body in the right direction . Just saying.
Thanks for the video
Unless I'm missing something, this system has zero ability to load the eccentric portion of any of these movements. On the plus side, that should mean practically no soreness for users. On the downside, I think we would expect a significant reduction in hypertrophy potential, right? I love Concept2 as a company, but this does kind of seem like a significant flaw? Maybe for seniors, its less of a concern, but that's a fairly limited market.
This is correct! Less soreness, increased strength, but less size gains, better for power to weight ratio
The concept is that of a safe to use gym, concentrated in the footprint of a small bike.
Oh boy! I am an enthusiastic owner of the RowErg and the SkiErg and train on both machines every day. I guess I'll have to get the StrenghtErg now too.
Take it on the road, so we can try it out.
I like this machine. I’m a big free weight guy but this machine has a place in a lot of people’s gym. I like the safety aspect
I keep thinking out loud...when willl Concept2 come out with a new product...mind blown! I really see this replacing my wife's 2 day a week db rountine and me using for powerlifting accessories! Well done once again Concept2! 👏
So you think you’ll end up with one?
@@DarkHorseRowing Heck yeah! I sent your video to my training buddy and he definitely wants one for his home gym too. I am already looking on their site for a notification reminder for when it goes live to sell 👀
Wished they could replicate the overpriced VersaClimber.
@@CardioKing408there are many alternatives to the Versaclimber I have the home model great workout but wish I had resistance
@@CardioKing408 I thought I was the only one that thought about a C2 versaclimber!
I like the fact that you can isolate legs and arms but also add a push element. I have a damaged left arm that limits push reps (bench presses are impossible for me), this would be much safer.
Nice! Lots of strength exercises in a small, compact machine. Funny, I row, not for speed or time but for me ... cardio and strength (core, back, legs, & biceps). I know it's taboo to use higher resistance settings, but it works for me. This new machine adds triceps, biceps, plus even higher resistance for core, back, legs, biceps.
I'm a big fan of Concept 2 equipment for my own masters sprint athletics training program. It will be interesting to see if the StregthErg will lend itself to fast, explosive, heavy reps
Perfect for an apartment/condo without disturbing your neighbors. Not to mention what looks to be a good workout. Nice job!
My first thought is that for strength development inertia flywheel resistance is probably gonna be more productive and compact than air resistance. Kbox, strexbox etc.
Interesting! I use my present erg as a strength devise, and will wait and see how this erg develops.
Love the innovative concept behind the StrengthErg, but definetely geared more towards seniors
In fact, the new Concept2 machine is more like an isokinetic training device used in rehabilitation, but it has been adapted for single-arm or single-leg strength training, rather than providing full-body exercises like typical isokinetic equipment, which often comes with complex measurement systems requiring professional medical supervision. During my rehabilitation, the center had me use isokinetic training devices, along with computer software to measure indicators such as my angular velocity and muscle strength, reflecting changes in my muscle power and joint mobility. I see this as rehabilitation technology being integrated into the traditional fitness field, representing an upgrade for the fitness industry. In a sense, this marks the first time that fitness is becoming so scientifically driven, rather than being entirely dependent on conventional fitness methods.
I own an SkiERG and and a Concept 2 rower. I am very interested in this product, especially the ability to build strength without injury, but I would like to see several professional reviews before I jump on it. Concept2 makes awesome products and I love the intent. I just want to make sure it's right for me. I understand this isn't a deep dive, but I'd also like to know what else it can do versatility-wise.
This looks great! Is there any resistance/loading applied on the negative aspect of the rep?
Depends on the price. If above 1500 not worth it. One can buy a very smith machine combo rack for this amount. Very low footprint indeed, but unless they have some attachments for doing other exercise then it is very limited.
They'd sell a lot of units @ $1500. I'm not sure they'd any profit @ that price. Recouping a 2+ year development cost in a reasonable time frame is going to add substantially to the final price.
For folks just getting into strength training, this may have some value. I can't see it adding anything to an established home gym or for those of us who enjoy going to the gym.
@@cusebike5391 I agree. For around 2k one can have a folding rack with a hydraulic smith machine, which includes wire attachments for pull downs, rows etc. I have one and keep in my living room, barely takes any space when folded. For anyone above 40 doing three rep max workouts is terrible for the joints. Maybe a good solution if space is an issue, but there is nothing there that a body workout nd a few strong resistance bands cannot do as well. Look forward to seeing it's final form.
$1,350 without a PM5, $1,500 with a PM5.
It's almost the same footprint as a rack, barbells, and plates. You're probably looking at a similar cost for both.
Looks sick! Looks very innovative! Great video and insight into the company as well! Hope to support in the near future! Thanks!
I can see this being helpful for old people or people doing recovery exercise. But for the general public with a relatively fit body. No eccentric resistance. Only three possible movements, which can all be easily replaced by body weight exercises with a pair of high parallel bars + some resistance bands. Not to mention the latter is way cheaper and way easier to store.
I currently attach a cord to my erg handle to do isometrics, so I would have preferred a single machine designed for rowing but with attachments for strength training. There was an earlier machine called a Dynamometer, similar to this, that was discontinued. How is this better? A problem with the Dynamic Erg is that you sweat right over the flywheel. I sold mine when it started to rust badly. This design might share the same problem. I do hope there are still changes to be made because the idea itself is a winner.
Looks awesome. I just found my 2025 fitness self gift. Really eager to see reviews from different expertise fields about this machine.
I think that’s the most interesting part is where will it land in the industry
Love my C2 rower and considering swapping out my Rogue Echo bike for the BikeErg. I do also strength training with body weight and kettlebells. Wish there were a way to try one of these before purchase and before totally changing my training modality. Too bad these (and the other C2 machines) aren’t available somewhere in a retail store to try out.
How hard would it be to have an eccentric mode where the flywheel has to be resisted on your way back to starting point of movement?
Looking at the concept of this it reminds me a ton like a Isokintetic dynometer. Ive had a fascination with the concept of isokintetics and this machine is probably the closest thing to that without investing in the dynometer. Definitely going to invest in this.
I plan to procure one, once available, to replace my aged Bowflex - which, over the past 20 years, has been used to no longer represent the resistance it was designed to reflect.
At my age, loading and unloading plates gets old. I would love to see additional: a lat pull-down, flyes, calf-raise, shoulder press, and shoulder shrugs but I’m wondering the erg’s flywheel needs a certain length to engage properly so short movements might not work.
What about the eccentric portion of the movement? Was there a reason of why they didn't think about it?
3 improper motions…….limited range of motion………..no shoulder motions…….no hinging motions…….most importantly - no negative resistance…….
Why do you call those motions improper? I would like to see more range of motion on the leg press, but that’s more than what most people do at the gym anyway. The chest press and the row both involve shoulder motions. It does look like it lacks negative resistance. I have a different flywheel device that gives me negative resistance, so much that they named it Exxentric. I don’t know why this one wouldn’t have it… My bigger concerns are the lack of a hinging motion and some axial loading.
@@neilpollack3514 you kind of addressed and confirmed all my criticisms in your question……the only issue I have is your claim that the ancillary effect that rowing and chest press have on shoulders is sufficient - it’s not…….
Reminds me of those ‘4 Minutes Per Day’ machines sold in the 1990s
Exactly but not quite I had a dyno and tried a ROM machine. The ROM blew the dyno away tbh
Is it gonna be available for Belgium in the beginning to? Love their Products der build Quality is very good
Really Like the Idea of this. Strength is so Important. Especially in the older population. I think it would be Very Important for a training program to be part of this. Most who buy the other 3 ergs will probably have an Idea of what to do with it. This I think would be different, otherwise it may be a catch all like a treadmill.
That's my 2 cents
This is a home gym for people (i.e. NYC) for whom before it was impossible to have a home gym, but whose schedules could benefit immensely from a home gym and a 20 minute strength workout.
Already have the SkiErg and Rower, love what they do and their whole philosophy
Do you get eccentric contractions with the strength exercises on this machine? Are there benefits for concentric only in strength training?
This should go into every doctors office/PT office, but from a home health standpoint it’s great for old people.
The resistance this provides does not seem optimal for strength training based on current research. For one, there is no tension on the eccentric, and no stretch. I also find it mentally difficult when resistance increases the harder you go (in these kinds of movements), sort of how I hate spinning bikes with that friction-based resistance. I am fine with endurance workouts on the erg or a trainer like the Kickr.
I had this exact thought. Without the eccentric load you're missing out on half the rep and losing that deep stretch.
Noticed this too… pretty cool innovation but looks like zero eccentric loading.
Yeah, for the price just buy a set of adjustable dumbbells and a bench.
where did they say they were seeking to optimise strength training?
@@svengali5415 Dude, the thing is called StrengthErg.
Interesting concept (pun intended). Gives me the cable squat machine vibe. Also seeing a number makes it easier for progressive overload. Super curious on the final product
Agreed. I do love the actual unit of measurement giving you legitimate feedback
I am definitely in for this!
oh I love this. Small footprint also!
This seems hard to push, was this at the max resistance of the flying wheel? Can’t see people just starting strengthening exercises this tough resistance. Curious to see what it looks like on lower resistance. Love my Rowerg, didn’t go for the BikeErg though (have a Keiser m3i), and not really into the ski erg. This one actually seems interesting. Although I don’t like the look of the handles. Other than that I will wait for it to arrive in Europe , wait for some reviews and see what the price will be.
Too bad it does not have eccentric movement, making the exercises less effective…. One thing take bear in mind
Love the employee interviews
I would suggest the ability to add a stronger flywheel, possibly add a second on the opposite side?
Incredibly hard to build I bet but also a way to push and pull in the same movement would really set this up as something different.
Max effort push and pull for speed would be incredibly popular and doesn’t really exist.
They even indicate not fully knowing the best use case but adding truly dynamic strength options would imo give them something unique like the skier.
So they have re-released the C2 Dyno with a few updates?
Will be interesting to see how it develops - the opportunity for a single 'pull' or freestanding deadlift attachment would increase the use cases - but the lack of eccentric load (as far as I understand) puts it into a category of its own - more effective than nothing, less effective than something like a deadlift or free weights. So it is carving out a niche on its own and it would be good to run some athletes through it. Although, to be fair, they are talking about it for maintaining strength in ageing athletes in a safe environment - and if you exclude the use of free weights, it could fill that slot.
Can we use it as a row?
No negative resistance? If so, then “No go!”
that's good because it's not targetted at you!
what kind of shoes are you wearing?