What the Sequel Trilogy looks like with Finn as the main protagonist (Part One: The Finn Awakens)
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This is WAY BETTER Than what we got originally. Honestly it is the fans that make the better story than the Studios that make them.
I read some fan theories after Force Awakens and all of them well a lot better than what we got from the writers.
I was thinking the same thing
To be fair, we do have the benefit of hindsight. But yeah, it's not hard to make something better than these sequels.
Tom Ffrench he’s more of a normie who says he’s a fan. He likes Star Wars, but isn’t the type to get dirty with it, and truly understand it. He’s I guess, a casual fan.
The changes made to "The Force awakens" are absolutely awesome. This could have made for a great build up to Episode 8, with all the usual heroes - Leia, Lando and Luke - only showing up from there.
The trailer for The Force Awakens honestly had me thinking that it would be about Finn abandoning life as a stormtrooper, and seeking to redeem himself by being a jedi or gray jedi. To be honest I would have preferred that storyline over what we actually got.
Agreed. I left the theater after AF thinking Finn was an amazing hero and my interest in Rey was limited to who her parents were and her bringing Luke back.
Don't like your name, but i agree that a story about finn would've been better.
You read my mind, Grey Jedi Finn
That's for sure, while Rey ends up being like Han Solo and Po like Leia. It's like poetry it rhymes, in the right way.
@@insanelyred7101 true
Finn as the main protagonist would be badass.
The epic Stormtrooper turn Jedi becoming a new Jedi Grandmaster and doing Luke's jedi order from legends
Yea i completely agree ..let him be the Jedi in training...
Yes have Luke’s Jedi order take him in and that’s how the Jedi come in conflict with the new evil
He could have been the film version of Kyle Katarn.
@PsychoDieter91 I didn't mean LITERALLY Kyle Katarn.
Referring to how similar the Background for the 2 of them are.
@PsychoDieter91 Could have Multiple Force Sensitive Stormtrooper Defectors.
If Luke would have caught that lightsaber at the end instead of Rey, Disney would have made another billion.
Exactly and that’s the way it felt it was going why tease us with Luke but make him a nonfactor coward in the movie?
This!!!
Yeah guys I can’t even go down that road anymore and imagine what might have been. I do not like this trilogy- I liked Force awakens when it first came out but the next two movies even ruined that for me. Disney/ Lucasfilm being so dumb just overthought a simple story- who cares if it would have been slightly predictable. It would have satisfied everyone and still made more loads cash than it did. Also reboot their toys and merchandising. No one buys that shit. Mandalorian is hilariously simple! And feels like eating a turkey dinner on a winter day. Who doesn’t want a baby yoda too lol. Just mind blowing.
Had they given us George's real sequel story which had Luke Skywalker in it from the start and him training a new generation of Jedi, it would have made three times as much as TFA. And actually honoured the running storyline.
Couldn’t have said it better!
Basically, this movie woulda been a whole lot better if Finn was actually utilized well.
Everyone*
It would've been better if anyone was used well.
They didn't care about the story.
They wanted to make a political statement. Fuck em.
@A Pizza Noob well ya lol
@@mr_h831 Mainly Katherine Kennedy, she destroyed the films and the Disney area.
@@ahaokatano3153 it's not just her.
Disney has to approve her bullshit.
How it looks:
Rey: FIIIIINNNN!
Hah.
And now here come the Adventure Time flashbacks.
That'd sure make the Reylos mad. XD
And Finn should have had John Boyega's actual accent.
Yes, his actual accent is amazing
100%
I don't think that matters.
@@mandalorethemaximum1408 If it doesn't matter, might as well let him speak with his natural accent. They made a conscious choice to change his accent, so clearly it mattered to the people making the movie, for whatever reason. I personally kind of think it has something to do with American audiences and race, but that all has a lot of speculation and unsubstantiated claims so I won't go there.
Not to mention the standard Imperial/First Order accent IS British
His main role was to scream “REY” as much as possible.
Ducky ( from The Land Before Time ): Oh No No No.
And WAHOOO
AndreNitro X1000 while killing fellow stormtroopers who also were abducted
@@AndreNitroX Everytime he shouts WAOOO!! or REEEEEEEEEEYYYY!!, it's so cringe worthy.
RRRRREEEEeeeeeEeaaaaAaaaaaaaAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!
When I first saw the episode 7 trailer, I thought Finn and Rey would hook up.
yep
Same and idk of this is unpopular but Finn x Rey>>>>Reylo.
@@jknetwork6211 considering that it seemed like thats what they were going for in the first two films, I don't think its all unpopular
I think Finn and Rey together is much better then Reylo
Agreed, I actually thought this was something they planned to pursue, as well.
A flaw in the film for not pointing it out, but the Traitor Trooper was a member of Finn's Squad.
Thor already sounds like a better storyteller than anyone in current Hollyweird.
Oh damn
Facts
Would kinda like a scene where Han talks to Finn about his problem with shooting his friends. He would talk to him about his time as an imperial pilot and what he felt like after. This kinda retconns solo. But whatever
Rey imo should have been just a good pilot scrapper, she starts out same like TFA but turns into a rogue like Han overtime in the trilogy.
Meanwhile Finn does have the jedi story, he's should have been our leading hero.
My question is how was she a good pilot
A Pizza Noob Simple: She’d be an undercover spy.
@@Synonymous_Legion oh ok then
Rey could still be the Jedi even if Finn is the main hero.
A stormtrooper becoming a Jedi and bringing balance to the force while saving his clone brothers from the clutches of the Empire/ First Order
Finn was the character I was most excited to know more about after TFA. What a letdown Disney gave us
Disney doesn't give a shit about the story. They just want to make statements.
Don't agree?
Remember that disney owns ABC news.
Same
Only thing, I think that Luke simply showing up at the end would make the rest of the movie a pointless side quest, similar to how the Canto Bight sequence was. The whole premise of the movie was that the First Order and the Resistance were both looking for Luke, hence the opening crawl and opening scene. I agree with everything else.
Maybe R2D2 could directly contact Luke. We could even do away with the map altogether, and say the thing Poe was searching for (and put into BB8) was a code to wake up the deactivated R2D2. That way the actions of the protagonists directly lead to Luke showing up at the end.
Kevin Street if Thor rearranged the story that way that would be fine, but he didn’t, which was my point. But yes you’re correct.
You made a good point. I was just thinking about how we could fix that issue.
Kevin Street yes indeed, and you came up with a good fix, good job
Yeah. I think I'd change the last fight so it's more obvious that Kylo is badly injured from the bowcaster shot so he's struggling ... and STILL kicking Rey's ass. Then he ends up Force slapping her into a tree again ... and Chewie shows up to shoot him again (with Finn over one shoulder.) Chewie exits then with both Finn and Rey over his shoulders & maybe Phasma (who should have been a Knight of Ren) arrives afterward to pull the grievously wounded Kylo off the planet. End the movie in mostly the same but start the next one with Luke asking Rey where the Other is because the Force told him that TWO apprentices were going to arrive, not one...
The awakening in the title was talking about Finn. When Snoke had said that it was only Finn that was going thru the crisis of conscience.
I would also have a scene where Finn and the other stormtroopers in a mess hall interacting with each other setting up Finn’s hesitance to kill them
I really like this idea-it would’ve added that much more to his character and created more opportunities for him to experience conflict over his loyalties to his old friends.
This really pairs well with Slicer Neons's comment elsewhere which read:
"A flaw in the film for not pointing it out, but the Traitor Trooper was a member of Finn's Squad.
Thor already sounds like a better storyteller than anyone in current Hollyweird."
Simply put: Show Finn interacting with TR8R.
"The Finn Awakens" makes wonder how it sounds when ever "Force" becomes "Finn".
"You must learn the ways of the Finn."
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Finn."
"Don't underestimate the Finn."
"The Dark Side of the Finn is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural."
And of course :
"That's not how the Finn works !"
Underrated comment 👍
Giving Finn- the character with the most interesting backstory- an arc that shows how complex a character he could be? Wow...
Star Wars: The Finn Awakens🤣🤣🤣
You always know how to make people laugh
I agree with most of the changes very much, infact. Showing that Finn is very hesitant to hurt the other troopers because they've been brainwashed and are victims themselves would show another side of Star Wars that no one has ever seen before: Empathy for the Enemy.
Now I disgree with removing the fight with FN-2199, as he was in Finn's squad. Instead, I believe Finn should either, A. try to convince "Nines" the First Order is is wrong and doesn't care, or, B. to justify his desertion.
The scene would show that Regular Stormtroopers aren't just canon fodder, indicate that Kylo Ren is already near by, and give us another hint that Finn is very conflicted about the situation he's in(as in not wanting to kill his former comrades) and would resort to trying to convince another one to desert as well.
All-in-All, I love that you've already given Finn better motives in this film and I look forward to your next video on changing his character in the next film.
Good suggestions. The fight with 2199 also shows us how much melee training Finn still has to undergo before the final battle. If he can't even take out a stormtrooper with a lightsaber, it makes the fight with kylo more suspenseful as you know he's out of his league.
When The Force Awakens was just being marketed I honestly was excited for Finn and I really wanted him to be the hero and the Jedi of the trilogy not Rey. Finn was the character I wanted to see the most when TFA was marketed.
While I liked TFA at the time (not so much now due to its sequels) I was still disappointed with Finn the character I wanted to see the most.
Finn deserved more.
They all deserved more.
Rey seemed like she was going to be the tech that helped them solve problems and thus would've been an invaluable addition to team that way. Instead, they made Rey do everything.
Nothing anyone else does from Last Jedi onward actually matters or helps in any meaningful way.
@@InfernosReaper which is dumb af and isn't how one should be doing storytelling. But that's what we got. And we ate it up. Then promptly spit it out.
@Stripey Arse Exactly! All troopers - clones and non-clones - should be quite socially awkward because of their military training and brainwashing. It would be both funny and realistic.
i came here straight from rewatching the SWTOR cinematic trailers, and each of the stories told in those 3-5 minute trailers was better than the 6hours worth of story in the sequel trilogy, particularly the eternal twins one
Bless you and those trailers. That is my Star Wars not this Disney channel rom com stuff. Is it wrong for me to want a old republic badass movie or show!!???
@@AndreNitroX no it is not. I think an old republic movie could be absolutely awesome if done correctly.
@@TheCAL-dx4tr Agreed perhaps before the dark times before the disney empire.
I had thoughts a few years ago of what would have happened if Finn was a Jedi and him stopping the First Order with the help of Luke.
I feel like Luke's past and character was just forgotten.
These movies would have been so much better if Luke and his Jedi order were more involved have them take Finn in and train him as a Jedi
IKR
I absolutely love the idea of Finn having to recover from his spinal injury in TLJ and grappling with trying to reconcile the loss of his marksmanship skills learned from the First Order but eventually finding restored strength and a new identity as he trains with Rey under Luke’s tutelage in Jedi lightsaber skills.
Very much enjoyed this video and your perspectives. Finn was one of my favorite characters from TFA, and I agree that he had so much more potential than what was given to him in Ep. 8/9. Glad we can explore those possibilities here.
Here's my idea for IX: at the third act of the movie Finn makes an speech on the middle of the battlefield to encourage the stormtroopers to think by themselves, turning a majority of them against the fist order officers, and fighting against the sith troopers.
I think it will give Finn a purpose, make him and the other stormtroopers more humans, and it will also be a new and fresh finally, insted of "the good guys won" it'll be an "alliance between the resistance and the stormtroopers", and all thanks to Finn and his stormtrooper uprising. What do you guys think?
I agree-this would have been one of the perfect endings for his character arc. Once an uncertain deserter of the FO, he now inspires his former comrades to choose a better way...ah, what might have been!
That would honestly be pretty cringe and cliche. One rousing speech should not be enough to make a whole army of soldiers turn on their commanders and fellow brothers in arms. One motivational speeker shouldn not be enough to make them turn traitor on an organisation that they've been with since birth. That kind of development takes time and effort.
Idk, thought it was cool 3 years ago, Edith way it’s still better that what we got @@en4833
Finn is a good character but poorly handled he had so much potential he could’ve been as loved as someone like obi wan him being the main hero would’ve been so much better than Rey he looses he try’s his best and looses he would’ve made such a badass Jedi imagine if he kept his storm trooper armor and wore a Jedi clocke or something him fighting Palpatine with someone’s help of course (Luke) imagine if he was related to mace and was his great nephew or something and he avenged mace by help killing Palpatine (he would assist but Anakin would get the final blow of some sort )anything like that so much potential smh he could’ve wielded maces lightsaber while Kylo wielded Anakins but no of course not
Yaknow this comment had so much potential too, but it didn't have proper grammar.
;P
But yeah they really screwed over finn.
And every other fucking character.
"Oh let's use starwars to make a statement" if you fucking do that at least make the story interesting, LIKE LUCAS DID WITH THE PREQUELS AND THE POLITICS IN THEM.
at least that furthered the story in some aspect.
The sequels are a trash fire made for mindless zombies to consume.
Mr_H sorry for the grammar mistakes I was trying to hurry while typing most of it and true
Remember, though, that it's highly implied that the rare purple Kyber crystal from Mace Windu's lightsaber is the same one given to Mara Jade by the Emperor, which she used in constructing her own lightsaber. But that's not necessarily a problem; it would be a great way to include Mara Jade; she might recognize that Finn is a relative of Mace Windu and give him his family Kyber crystal and that would be so cool!
Joshua Clabeaux yeah or imagine if Luke had it and gave it to him
It’s the introduction of Rose and her forced role in the story that ruined him. It should’ve been Rey and Finn meeting up with and training with Luke in TLJ. One student goes dark, one stays a Jedi.
I think it would be cool to have the one with a dark past go to the light, and have the one with the lighter past go to the dark. It’s like poetry. It rhymes.
It would be Awesome if it was Rey that went to the Dark Side and Finn went to the light side. It would have made the plot interesting especially if Rey defeated Kylo Ren in the 2nd movie and became a Sith in the process.
Rey should have turned imo.
@@hveer2523 not funny.
@Paul Langland
It’s funny you say that, I literally wrote out a sequel trilogy with EXACTLY this! Course mine has Thrawn behind the First Order and ultimately ends with Yusong Vong (forgive my spelling) uniting the galaxy and Finn fulfilling Luke’s vision for a New Jedi Order that accepts non-force sensitive acolytes who learn the ways of the Jedi and fulfill new and different roles.
Honestly though, it’s incredible the potential that was squandered. If they took a couple extra years, planned out an amazing sequel trilogy that pulled on EU, the shows, the PT and OT....they’d have a franchise that most fans would love and have the foundation to branch out with books, comics, games, and even shows.
To be honest, I would've really liked and possibly even enjoyed a story about a storm trooper turned jedi/good guy.
Black white, asian, male female, idgaf and idrc, just so long as it's interesting.
And so long as it's a well written story.
And in this case I think they should've gone with finn as the main character. Imagine an extended version of that scene where we see finn defect.
This time, we get a few scenes building up to it, and those scenes quickly depict his being taken from his family, then his indoctrination, and after that a cut to just before the mission. Where he talks to his class graduates, who are now ready to go to battle.
That would be epic.
We would get to see finn become something much more, and also he would have TONS more character development in that single film.
It would've been great.
Later we can realise he's force sensitive, and then him and Rey both can begin training under Leia. Once their training reaches a certain point, they would both with poe, go on a mission to find like skywalker.
Now that is 10thousand times more interesting if you ask me.
This version>the actual version
Rey and Finn have no character and Finn had so much potential
Technically both did. Technically every new character did. Even poe.
But disney fucked it all over. Figures.
Bad writing, so much potential. If you see the first movie you see the ideas and a rising story line. And then it all goes to hell.
The thing is that you don't need Rey in "Force Awakens" - I've already seen video in which Rey was written off from the plot and replaced by Finn and nothing really changed in the story. And I think that Finn should be like Teal'c from "Stargate" series; stoic badass who defected because he seen first hand how evil were his overlords.
I like it better, already. Especially the part where Finn has to make a whole new identity after getting a cybernetic spine (that really bothered me in TLJ). I look forward to the next installment.
Imagine Finn and Rey as the “diad” and taking on kylo together I feel like that’d be so much better
tbh I don't think making Skywalker a villain again is a good move at all
Eh.
Louis that Would have Been AWSOME !!! . Better than what he got .
How about just no “diad” the Disney force just makes no sense.
@@dinogaming4419 Ikr
For the most part, this is amazing. I actually thought of a pretty similar idea as to your video.
However, two key aspects that would be very prominent in the last jedi would be:
a) phasma reveals her obsession with finn and how he is a protégé or son to her (similar dynamic to vader and Luke) which would make their moments together feel more emotional
b) a twist that reveals that finn is of mandalorian blood. This would allow for more possibilities for finn to shine and could maybe lead finn to getting a saber that he can wield later in the rework trilogy. Also imagining John boyega as an awesome mandalorian gives me goosebumps.
With the most wasted potential of ANY of the Disney era SW characters, Finn deserves the care and attention you are giving him Thor. It’s a shame he was made to be comic relief.
I liked it, I think Finn in your version should have more moments to show how good of a shot he is to make the impact of him not being able to at the end of the movie
This would have been a much better movie. I especially love your scene of him using Phasma to remove the shields then coming back to pull the evacuation alarm. Nice internal battle throughout.
I love it! You've fixed a lot of my frustrations with Episode VII (even though I enjoy that movie). Primarily, you've made Finn seem like an actual former stormtrooper instead of a guy who recently wore the armor to the Jakku Halloween party. I think, with Boyega’s comedic skills, he’ll still draw chuckles with your new specifications, but he’ll just be a little more consistent with his back story.
Also, I like your idea of turning Luke into a Luke-style hero instead of an anti-Luke-hero. And your slight Rey modifications to make her just a tiny bit less all-powerful gives her somewhere to go in the next movie -- which I’m very much looking forward to.
I think you’ve got a great second draft here, and we’re nearly ready to go into production. Three more requests:
(1) Any way you could get us a Lando sighting in this first sequel film? He’s kind of a big deal.
(2) Also, could you do something about the Han and Leia separation? I was very sad to see the prime romance of the OT broken apart. Plus, Leia sending Han off to likely get killed was extra hard to watch.
(3) Finally, my biggest objection to that fun movie was its strange belief that it needed to reboot the biggest franchise of all-time with a redo of its plot structure. Most of us have seen the originals, and those haven’t won’t be any more confused by a new story than by a re-making of one they haven’t already seen. So, if you could take out the biggie-sized Death Star, etc., I’d be much obliged.
Finn had so much potential to be a great character, but he was just tossed aside in favor of Rey. He could've been like the canon version of Kyle Katarn, but sadly we will never get that. (And he honestly looked cool with a lightsaber)
P.S, where did Luke come from?!
Him holding the lightsaber just looks right.
This is actually quite excellent. Having an actual meaningful story and character development for Finn is fantastic. It also introduces the possibilities for Rey to fail and for us to have empathy for her. I hope this theory leads to a three way conflict between light/dark/in between.
Bring it on!
I love your version of Finn so much! You put so much more thought into his character that the makers of the ST ever did! Everything you suggest makes Finn so much more of a believable and human character!
That was awesome Thor. Loved it. I hope we get to see Finn training to be Jedi with Rey
Man. Great ideas, Thor. I wish this was the movie we got. Ep 8 should've opened with Finn and Rey training with Luke...
I like it! Your changes make Finn a better character, with an actual character arc. In this movie he still does the same things, but we get a better look at what's going on inside him. I particularly like the way you treat his personality, with him being serious and unused to sarcasm because that's how he was brought up. It makes his decision to rebel more consequential, since disobeying orders is a complete break from anything Finn has ever seen or done before. Like that was the first order he ever disobeyed, and it was a big one.
Holy crap, I actually really love this! Finn's character gets flushed out, no Mary Sue garbage, and Luke's not a self-contradictory, cynical old hermit! I agree with other comments. This would be badass!
We should have finn’s big moment is a storm trooper revolution
So having a hard time picturing the different tone of finn's conversation especially in that first meet up section with poe as there chemistry was awesome.
I do agree that a lot of the humour seemed to be misplaced to be with finn traditionally the domain of droids the humour is.
Overall the direction you are putting out is good no doubt better than what we got, but as this movie set up finns's concept fairly well it is a bit hard to judge such a shift
But i do look forward to the future episodes where we really see the direction you were setting up and the pay off.
I like your version, especially Luke showing up at the end, that's what I had hoped would've happened.
Its honestly amazing how different the movie (hypothetically) becomes with the simple change of him sticking to his own backstory
I don't know how many times I've said this after one of your videos like this but damn your story is so much better. Having Luke show up like that would have been cool as hell. And Finn with a new spine and can't hold his hands steady , quality story telling.
Thor, when you said Finn's humor should come from being a fish out of water I said yes so loudly me co-workers looked at me funny. You are spot on as to how I feel about how his character should have been handled and I can't wait to hear more. I always thought a part of his story arc should be about 'saving' other Imps....persuading them that this life is a lost cause in the big picture and that would have translated very well for the audience in many lands and with many faiths while still being Star Wars generic enough to appeal to everyone. Man, I would love to talk some Star Wars with you!
I stand by that either A) both Finn and Rey should have become Jedi. Where Rey is tempted by the dark side but Finn breaks her away from it. Not saying this as a Finn and Rey shipper (even though I prefer them over reylo).
Or keep Finn as he is but give him a bigger role and still have him lead an uprising of stormtroopers.
Love both these ideas-it could have brought so much more suspense and complexity to the story!
reynn
I truly enjoy the sequels. However. Your take is extremely compelling. I'm looking forward to the next chapter.
This is awesome so far. Finn was my favorite character in TFA and I wish they would have taken his story seriously. All I can say is that I'm super excited for this series!!
Your analyses of the sequels are really similar to what I've thought of. I always wanted Finn's story to have more to do with his stormtrooper background.
Finn before rescuing Poe; "I don't want to kill anyone."
Finn after rescuing Poe; "So anyway, I start blasting."
Dude this is amazing, soooo much better than what we got. This is what you get when a true fan of star wars makes your story!
I really like pretty much all of those ideas. It's so funny that all we heard from JJ and Johnson were that they didn't want to just repeat what happened in the previous movies and what did they do? They turn around and gave us a superwoman who could do anything. The idea of a stormtrooper coming to grips with his new life and coming to realize that he has forced powers that he has to learn to use which can help him change that life is not only really interesting but it's actually something we haven't seen before.
Really good, love it. In the end fight between Luke and Kylo I thought you were going to say that after Luke senses that Kylo killed his father, Luke's good friend, Luke...dealing with that emotion gets slightly bested by Kylo not that he leaves for fear of letting his anger hurt or maybe kill Kylo and Luke and Rey leave together and figure out Reys role. But of course you know what your vision is for these episodes and like I mentioned, really enjoy how what you've done here. Fantastic job! Looking forward to the next episode.
Man, I think you're really onto something with this. Can't wait to hear the next part. I feel like there was plenty of room to have all of the new 3 be force sensitive and create really complex and in depth characters throughout but Di$ney went the cheap/easy way out and just wanted to print money.
Great improvements and observations, and I fully agree: Finn going immediately from refusing to kill for the First Order to loudly cheering as he shoots and kills the people he's spent his entire life with, with absolutely no hesitation. To that point, it might even suggest that Finn pausing to take a breath in reflection of having shot down some TIEs, especially contrasted against Poe loudly celebrating, could also be the distraction that gets them shot down. A Finn that was hesitant and introspective about the choice to fight would've made more sense and been better to see. And even in the original movie as is, the moment when Kylo confronts him and yells "TRAITOR!" really makes you feel like there will be so much more to this.
- What if Kylo could make a Jedi look really scared? Then everyone would think Kylo was pretty badass right?
- Yeah, good idea. But which Jedi? Luke has been removed from the picture. And Rey... the mere suggestion of a scared Rey would likely see us cancelled.
- For sure.
- So how about we hand a lightsaber to some other chump and make him look really scared of Kylo?! How about FInn for example?! Then Rey could take Kylo down AND save the poor guy which would make her look even more amazing!
- Wow, thats brilliant! A true masterpiece of company line writing!! Great idea mate!!!
I really cried at this video. Someone explaining how much could be accomplished with this character breaks my heart. But as an aspiring writer myself. I'll try to do something like that. Find those characters I like but exploit that potential that maybe the other writers didn't see.
Great work man, I normally don't comment but this video touched me so much I couldn't help myself.
I love the ideas. And I love that you have Luke showing up at the end. I’m excited to see the next videos in this series.
With better writers Finn & Poe could have carried the whole trilogy as the main protagonists, their chemistry was great in Force Awakens.
Would have been cool to see a Finn / Phasma rivalry over 3 movies.
When you think about it, if Finn was written better he would've been the Disney equivalent to Legends Kyle Katarn.
Both were stormtroopers who later turns to the rebellion.
Both are force-sensitive human beings.
Finn has "perfect main protagonist" written all over him.
anything would be better than MaRey Nobody Palpatine "Skywalker" Sue
THOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
These ideas were great. Looking forward to the ideas in the other movies.
When all this was going down with John Boyega a few weeks ago, I sat down and scribbled how I'd change the sequel trilogy to be a Finn-centric one. I made more extreme changes, particularly with the world building set up. I think it would be most interested if Finn was really sold on his side (and the First Order has never really worked for me personally). So I viewed the galaxy in the wake of the OT as one more akin to how it was in the Zahn's "Specter of the Past" and "Vision of the Future" books--changed very much from the evil, tyrannical Empire to something still authoritarian, but trying to do the best for those sectors still under their control. They still "at war", but its more of a cold war. Finn would be a promising trooper, completely committed (which would cause arguments of who is right between him and Poe, him and Rey, but he would come to see the justice of the New Republic). Because of his skill, Hux and Phasma work a way to transfer him to the installation they run--a factory that builds ships. They are secretly building a Dreadnaught called the Starkiller that has a Deathstar tech canon (though is not as powerful as the two former super weapons). They have this because they are secretly led by Snoke, who is a non-force user, former priest of Palpatine. This group makes up the secret Imperial Remnant cell they call "The Final Order", with Luke's former student Kylo Ren as their new Vader. That's the premise I'd take.
This improvement of Finn improves the whole film. Nice work Thor👍🏻
My apologies, this maybe a bit long of a response, but I promise you’ll appreciate it. First, let me start by saying I absolutely love the version of Finn you’re presenting. Finn/FN-2187 was certainly one of my favorite characters of the ST, but was terribly under utilized.
Your version is one I know could’ve directly related to. As a retired soldier who suffered a debilitating spine injury. I not only felt as though my life had changed forever, I felt as if I had lost my identity. Had we received the story arch you described, I know I certainly would’ve been far more emotionally invested into the character. Ironically I was going through everything right around the release of TFA. I’m definitely looking forward to your next installment of Finn’s alternate story arch.
Thank you for your service!
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I like the changes. I would make the second film about him learning to use the force to make up for his reduced agility and weapon accuracy.
Finn (Disney): Coward, Rey's lap dog, willing to kill people he grew up with without hesitation, janitor, basically remains the same character
Finn (Thor): Scarred by a lifetime of brainwash, actually cares about his former Stormtroopers, elite soldier, actually has character development
Couldn't have written it better myself.
(In my version, Fin had the cybernetic spine)
I approve of all changes you've introduced.
Thoughts on your vision: The escape-Finn should know that there's a cable attached, therefore he wouldn't have to shoot inside...they could just take off immediately and then in space he would hesitate to shoot other ties or maybe he would know the tie pilots aren't Troopers like he was ...wiggle room there (love your accuracy addition to F's shooting, later on). Love the saber fight at the end-Kylo v Rey just like Luke v Kylo...both are just defending and not trying to kill. As always, your ideas are awesome and you pay respect/love to SW!
This is awesome. Can’t wait for the rest.
Well done. I'd also have him grapple with that scene in TFA, where Finn can "hear" the voices of all the people in the Hosnian System cry out before they're destroyed. Maybe his time with the Resistance (and with Leia) will reveal he's Force Sensitive.
Bro this is sooo much better! It’s clear the sequel trilogy wasn’t made a clear vision, but you showed how small choices could add up to make a significantly stronger and much more meaningful story ! It’s a shame we didn’t see this in theaters, but idk live and learn, and in my mind this is canon lol
I think choosing to hit the evacuation button and save all those lives could ultimately play out in the final movie where Finn actually leads a movement of stormtroopers to stand down and fight for what’s right!
To go in a slightly different direction, after having watched "Cobra Kai", I can't help but think that the show is an example of what the sequel trilogy could have been. Think of it like: Danny LaRusso is Luke, and Johnny Lawrence is a former jedi pupil who survived 66 and is perhaps leaning towards a darker vision of what a new Jedi order should be. Perhaps could be a former padawan of Windu, or something similar. Heck, it could even be Luke and Leia with opposing schools. I'm just spitballing here.
First episode could be like the first season of Cobra Kai, two opposing factions trying to rebuild the jedi order. One side is more similar to the Republic Jedi, the other is a bit more aggressive. Things are going more or less okay, but then at the end, BAM! Clone of Palpatine. Or just someone powerful and evil like a former apprentice of Vader/Palpatine joins in to help the aggressive side.
Episode two could again, be like season 2 of Cobra Kai: now the darker jedi leader is realizing that they are turning into the Sith, but it's too late, their students have a new master. Leaders of both the schools have failed their students, and a new war is brewing again.
Episode three could be where I think Cobra Kai is heading: The leaders of the two schools reconcile, merge their teachings, achieving a balanced school. One that is not so passive as the old jedi were, but not so aggressive as the sith are.
What I really like about this is that the "jedi character" is not going to be the main protagonist, but the poor desert orphan discovering the force is still consistent like in the other trilogies. It's the best of both worlds for those who wanted the sequels to reflect the original trilogy and for those who wanted something completely new. Also am I the only one who thinks that Rian Johnson should direct a marvel movie because it seems his kind of humor would be way better suited for that.
They could have made Finn a competent fighter with the lightsaber from his years of training with actual weapons instead of Rey having managed with a long staff. It would make beating Kylo look a little more realistic or remove that and have the ground breaking away stop someone losing.
Also his knowledge of the FO was down to mapping ships or planet bases, not the inner workings of the group. They could have used it more.
I liked TFA but when she beats Kylo that was my first indication that something wasn’t quite right.
First to comment, and I absolutely agree, I'm rewriting the whole thing, with him and Rey be the main duo of my trilogy
I always enjoy your Star Wars remixes. Looking forward to the rest of this one!
I love this; I couldn't have done it better myself and I'm looking forward to the next one!
They are such subtle changes that make such a massive difference! Listening to them I just kept thinking ‘why on Earth didn’t the writers think of that?!’
A good way to tie Rey with palpatine would be making Rey born from nothing like anakin
Palpatine should have never been there. He´s dead. Period.
I had better theory about Rey´s origin and I think it was official thing before Abrams subverted Johnson. Johnson is quite a Ruin but he obviously hinted Rey´s parents were really nobody in the mirror scene where she can see only copies of herself instead of her parents. Which was obvious, clear hint she´s artificial "clone" made from DNA of many Force-sensitive individuals. It would explain why she´s so powerful and it would not look dumb or Mary-Sueish because she was designed to be very strong with the Force, stronger than is possible for naturaly born beings.
Now let´s go to the scene where Kylo unlocked her supressed powers: no movie explains why she supressed them. We only know she was left by her parents on the desert planet when she was little. But my theory was her "parents" were the scientists who created her and wanted to save her because the bad guys who were running the experiments with super-Force-sensitive soldiers found out Rey is too powerful but something went wrong in the cloning process and she´s not also super obedient, therefore she´s useless as a soldier and too dangerous. She´s a failed experiment, so they wanted her dead.
The scientists didn´t want an innocent little girl to die, so they tried to hide her on some backwater planet.
Then I would give Rey very dark reason why she suppressed her powers - she tried to hold her "parents" to stay with her and used the Force but pulled the ship down too quickly accidentally and it exploded, so she killed them and it traumatised her so much she cut herself from the Force subconsciously.
I also thought the Sithtroopers (red stormtroopers) could be the final version of these Force-sensitive super soldiers.
Mysikrysa yes that’s very good but what I believe should’ve happen is tie rey with palpatine but like I would keep palpatine dead physically and at times make Rey a little dark and hear a voice that ends up being palps saying before his death he discovered how to live forever as a force ghost just like the Jedi have. Then going on and saying that Rey was created by nothing just like anakin skywalker and so Rey gets completely destroyed by it making herself doubt who she is by then having rey find herself in the Jedi and in Ben solo and well yea
Dude!!!! Omg I made a post with the same picture to Boyega! Thanks for this video! Please keep doing these stories! I haven’t even finished this video yet lol.
That part about the Stormtrooper aim was perfect!
Like what you've got so far. I enjoy the scene with phasma and activating the evac alarm.
Helping Finn to "become a normal human again" could be analogous to the quest of Seven of Nine transitioning from being a Borg Drone to being a normal human: given her up-bringing she will never be completely normal and Finn could be similar. Also, I would save his maiming until the second movie. Make use of his sharp-shooter skills to hit Kylo Ren in the mask from a distance too great to be lethal -- a seemingly impossible shot, demonstrating his shooting skill -- when Kylo is about to land a killing blow on Rey. Kylo will then use the force to simply absorb the next few shots from Finn before grabbing the blaster out of his hand through the force (shadows of Vader in Empire) and then grabbing Finn with the force and rag-doll throwing him into a tree, knocking him out. While Kylo is distracted Rey force-grabs Luke's lightsaber which clues in Kylo just how strong in the force she is and THIS is when he pivots from planning to kill her (as ordered by Snoke) to trying to turn her so they can overthrow Snoke. Kylo might be strong in the force but he won't be able to concentrate on two people at once and Finn waking up, retrieving his blaster and literally shooting the lightsaber out of Kylo's hand is where the duel will end as Kylo will have to retreat (esp because Chewy and the Falcon are now approaching and Kylo cannot take them all on with the Force... besides, the planet it about to blow). This maintains Finn as the most elite of storm troopers (he can shoot accurately!) and turns down the Mary Sue factor on Rey, changing Kylo's defeat being a 1:1 affair to one of being distracted, then disarmed, and retreating in the face of a superior force... something that will piss him off and motivate him all the more for the next installment.
Since Jar Jar Abrams only showed us boxes throughout the trilogy and nothing more, this is so much better.
This is very good. You said subtle changes, so I'm curious to see what you do in the next movies
I love the changes you’ve made Thor! Bravo 👏
One thing I would change is Poe's fate in FA, have him die instead of suddenly being alive despite the crash of the tie fighter or have another character be the one to give Finn his name.
This is great! Way better than what we got. My only problem or plot that you didn't really talk on was how Luke gets to Starkiller. Then again, this series is focused more Finn so it's understandable.
This is honestly so much better. When the trailer for the force awakens drops i thought that Finn would be the main hero and train to be a Jedi after leaving his life as a stormtrooper. And Luke catching the lightsaber would have been so much better, even Mark Hamil thought that he would show up and catch the lightsaber instead of Rey. Finn's potential was wasted hard.
Thor...
It’s been a while since we’ve gotten another great fan fic from you in awhile. Sure hope we get one some time soon.
I would love to see that one!
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