Calorie Counting In Restaurants
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
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In this video Xisuma shares his thoughts on a BBC article reporting on the recent change in the UK that requires restaurants to list the calories of their meals on the menu.
BBC Article in the video (last accessed 19.4.22):
www.bbc.com/news/business-609...
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0:00 Calories On UK Restaurant Menus
2:06 Hospitality Industry Reactions
5:29 Diners' Reactions
5:51 Risk For People With Eating Disorders
6:37 Limited Evidence For Effectiveness
7:11 Personal Experience With Counting Calories
8:34 Education & Mindfulness Around Calories
10:10 Readers' Comments
13:18 Summary & Final Thoughts
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As someone who's had eating disorders multiple times, having calories easily visible on packaging was the number one thing that stopped me from eating properly. I actually found it to be a relief on the rare occasions I ate out because I didn't know how much I was eating. If all menus showed calories, best case scenario is that it increases health anxiety in otherwise healthy folks, worst case scenario it would stop people like myself from eating at all.
this.
This is actually exactly what's been happening in the US. People end up calorie counting and feeling guilty when they actually eat what they want.
@@averagezing Second this by saying it's always been difficult for me to indulge on what I want, sometimes for the sake of being healthy, and sometimes just feeling like that's what I'm "supposed" to do.
I realize I'm far from the standard of healthy (my lack of exercise and sleep schedule of getting to bed at around eleven and up a six tells that enough), but I'm not in the "unhealthy" range either (by that, meaning I'm not abusing myself with what I do or don't eat. I eat what I need, and don't think on it too much).
So while I'm not controlled by food, I definitely feel for those who are, because there are still those small moments of insecurities surrounding body shape and the amount of candy I've consumed since easter (though not much, it feels like such an indulgence to eat ten or so jelly beans). I can't imagine the life others live that have it much worse than me.
I 100% agree. Evidence labeling food doesn’t work is in the US. We’ve had calorie counts on food menus for years. You can see america isn’t any healthier and there are higher rates of obesity and eating disorders here.
I completely agree. I have never felt this way myself but I know people close to me who have. I just ask that those who do not understand how someone could feel this way about food to try and show some compassion for humans who are not the same as you. The thought process of "anything different than me is wrong" is responsible for the mistreatment of so many minorities. When presented with something different you should learn as much as you can about the topic from the opposite perspective of yourself before passing judgement.
In our state in the US we have had calories on the menus for over a decade. It has not made any real change in the levels of obesity. It makes it easier for those who already care and would have estimated the calories, but hasn't mattered to those who didn't before
Going by that i feel like a "calorie level" system would work, just making it easier and more accurate than estimating manually while still not making people feel bad for eating something with 50 more calories than the celery and dip..
So you'd have maybe 5 calorie levels, from low to high, with a table showing you the calorie ranges for each level.
@@swedneck I still don't think it would change the eating habits of those people who don't already care. I think actual scientific based education on nutrition, both macro and micronutrient, would make a bigger difference than a number on a menu board. I used to fight weight even though I ran 5 days a week (thanks for the genes, mom) until my daughter's co-op preschool had a mandatory class on nutrition, (twelve 2 hour sessions) Before that class I thought I made healthy food choices. Calorie counting gives dieters a false sense of control when sound principles of nutrition aren't taken into account. I would rather the chains be required to provide easily accessible ingredient and nutrition info--and not an out of date book that can't leave the order counter
i can honestly see it being stressful for people with eating disorders, but for me personally it's pretty helpful knowing what im putting into my body.
My concern is why should we have numbers on food and stress out those people when you can just look on your phone or ask the waiter
The only big problem i see with this is that people who are in the process of recovery from an eating disorder will struggle massively with this. Recovery is a hard way to go and this doesnt make it any easier.
While that is can be an issue, what is the percentage of people suffering from obesity in the UK and how often is a lack of understanding food a factor causing eating disorders?
@@ozspoz1317 I think eating disorders also include anorexia. The numbers are probably rather low but I just wanted to point it out
@@Yorick257 anorexia can be caused by negative body image and an unhealthy relationship with food, then we should also look to see if a better understanding of food before the disorder occurs could help some people? Previous to calories being shown at fast food chains a lot of people (myself included) had no idea there were so many calories in fast food, I now choose meals like Zambrero's for takeaway after realising the difference. There are definitely other steps that society could take to assist with the negative body image component.
// Eating Disorders
As someone who’s struggled with an restrictive eating disorder for majority of their life, this causes me a lot of anxiety. I haven’t been able to go to restaurants for along time and the knowledge that calories are now on menus makes my fears worse. Calorie counting is incredibly dangerous for many people. Eating disorders kill, and it really hurts seeing the lack of compassion people seem to have around this
We're facing an obesity epidemic in pretty much every large nation in the world. I understand for a few people this could result in a very poor outcome but the calories should be readily available. Putting the calories on the menu should help people without an eating disorder make healthier choices. In situations like this where two options are directly opposed and people can be helped or hurt in either scenario I think the amount of people helped or hurt is an important factor. The question is really "do we want to hurt a few people with an eating disorder more severely" or "do we want to hurt a lot more people less severely by not including this".
@@thugpug4392 This is such a callous response.
@@gxrlboi its really not, its about pros and cons. Do the benefits for the people it helps outweigh the hurt itll do for other people.
@@gxrlboi I wish everyone could be helped in every situation but the unfortunate truth is that the needs of people are sometimes opposed to one another. In those situations you have to make a choice.
@@thugpug4392 it wasn’t a black and white choice of putting them on a menu or not- the government had infinite options on how to tackle obesity and chose one that hurts people with eating disorders. Why didn’t they choose to encourage sport and extra curricular activity in youths? Or adults even?
as someone who is on meds that block my ability to feel hungry, which caused a very unhealthy weight drop cus I just wasn't eating. not in a disorder kind of way, in a kind of "I'm used to remembering to eat cus I'd get hungry and now there's nothing to remind me to eat" kind of way. counting calories helps me make sure I *have* eaten enough that day. I use it for the opposite of what it's typically used for. my situation is very unique. but I also live in America where calories are already shown usually, most people don't even look at the number.
I’m not someone who’s ever suffered from an eating disorder but when I went to a restaurant yesterday and saw the calories on the menu I felt pressured to order something with the lowest possible calories, where as the burger I wanted was one of the higher ones so I ended up ordering the lower calorie food. I think from my personal experience it can contribute to eating disorders in people who never had a problem before but also can lead to reduced income for restaurants if people pick smaller cheaper meals with less calories as opposed to the more expensive more calorific items
Yeah, I feel the same.
My partner has been struggling with an ed and I hate to see that things like these can be really triggering etc. I'm not in the UK so this is not a big problem, except when hospital food etc gets calorie labels,even when you're in treatment for an ed...
As someone with an eating disorder I feel that putting calories on menus would pressure me into trying to eat the higher calorie meals to help my self gain some weight rather than eating what I would like. This will only cause me anxiety which will make me eat less again. This just starts a vicious circle of me loosing weight.
as someone who is currently in relapse of an eating disorder involving restricting,
i think it may help for calories be optional to show when ordering online or in restaurants because it really does hurt when people dont understand people with anorexia, bulimia and binge disorders. It is a smaller population but it's a growing number, especially after covid there is supposedly 7x as many people in inpatients and mental health facilities for eating problems. For me as someone who was somewhat recovered this can easily cause me to spiral. Calories are a painful topic and i think it is just a poor time and not thought out system to appreciate the minority of people with restrictive disorders. i think there should be a minimum age on seeing calories e.g. 16+ to reduce the risk of younger children developing life long poor relationships with food and anxiety. for me, if this wasnt available in even the few restaurants i went to it couldve eased the severity of my mental health issues. its very misunderstood and people dont understand how controlling calories can become for a person struggling, it almost stopped my heart and being surrounded by numbers all the time is definitely damaging to some. i hope to see the government think out the system in future that reaches the target population
By the way, thank you so much X! I'm not always in the mood for minecraft/gaming, I watch a lot of manufacturing/building videos, political, science, health and well being videos. I'm thankful, that as an individual, that you cover such a wide variety of topics and always seem to peak my interests. Keep up the great work :)
As a fitness enthusiast I say this is incredibly helpful. However I see how this could be problematic for people with eating disorders.
i think instead of listing calories only they should list things like carbs too bc as a person with type 1 diabetes knowing calories in my food doesn't really give any benefits
and i mean if they're counting it anyway why not list it on the menu too
The only number I look at is the price because my wallet isn't scared of getting fat
by locking at both calories and price you can find what givs you the most food for the lowest price.
Wait a minute---
The UK hasn't always had calorie counts on their menus?
I don't remember a time where there WASN'T a list of calories below menu items at places like Cracker Barrel, Olive Garden, or places as such.
Even some fast food.
To me, I don't see a problem with this right away.
If you CAN get ahold of calorie counts for food, why NOT have it?
There are plenty of people who like eating healthy and think about what they chose.
On the matter of obesity...
ah...
I don't feel those who are in the range of obese can be helped by just saying "here's what the calorie count is". A person has to want to eat healthier, has to see the benefits of eating healthier, before they'll want to change.
Yes, I think awareness of health and what is GOOD for you needs to be promoted. I personally need a better understanding of what it means to be healthy. Eating right isn't everything though, as I can get all the nutrience I need, but if I'm not exercising, I'm not going to be in shape as I should be.
(And yes, I am using "should's, shouldn't's, right's, wrong's, and words as such. I'm not saying that everyone has to live this way, a way some might consider restrictive, but I typically use the talk style of "right and wrong" and I don't plan on editing this comment to come across as heavily sensitive.)
Anyway, for this topic, I'd say that anything around eating needs to be handled sensitively. Eating disorders won't be helped without mental health professionals. Getting society obsessed with calorie counting won't help the problem---for some making it worse.
I don't think we should take away the calorie counters though (and I think in the US it'd create such a controversy that it wouldn't do us any good to try). Some people find this stuff helpful.
I think we just need to be more aware of how we're living and how it affects us.
As well as the fact that people's bodies do process things differently to some extents, so there's no universal right or wrong to this.
All forms of health--mental, physical, etc--are important to understand. And if one doesn't look at them in a healthy manner, it's easy to get overwhelmed. People who have disorders might find it hard to believe they can get to a securer state and actually be free and happy from those issues. People who obsess over food find calories, fats, and all other parts of foods overwhelming to look at, and only add to their feelings of confusion, annoyance, and insecurity with themselves.
Which is why I see at the bottom of things...
This is no longer an issue about food, but an issue of identity, purpose, and worth in the world. And until society learns to view worth in a healthier manner (which I don't believe we will ever get to completely), these issues of health are always ALWAYS going to come up.
Editing my comment real quick:
Even for those of us who deem ourselves to be healthy are still not above this.
I personally think first and foremost we need to focus on mental health, as that's what really kills people. That insecurity and struggle is what leads people down a dark road, and even for those of us who are in a healthier place, or don't struggle as heavily do need an understanding.
We need to have compassion on people, and patience, and love for those who struggle. We can't be that if we're constantly focused on eating right. If our lives our consumed by eating, it's hard to create relationships and have a good view of self.
I say this to anyone reading, whether that is a random person or actually Xisuma--
Don't let food control you, define you, or anything of that nature.
Food was created for our enjoyment and for our health. There's nothing wrong with that. We NEED it to survive.
But we're no longer surviving when our entire lives are consumed with it.
In the wise words of Skizzleman (from a recent Skyblock episode he and Impulse did... episode 3, about nine minutes in)
"Living is not just avoiding death... that's not what living is, that's just staying alive"
When he said it, the delivery was so hilarious, but it's so true.
Every time I go to Outback Steakhouse, I see the calorie count. I even use it to judge if the meal if good for the activities I will be doing later that day.
I understand both sides but I think that if it is done in the right way it should definitely by rolled out in every restaurant
Gasp, restaurants are going to be required to give customers more information about the food they’re serving? The humanity!
Since when did the consumer being allowed to have more information about the product they’re buying become a bad thing? Anyone trying to convince you that being more informed is a bad thing doesn’t have your best interests in mind.
Did you listen to any of the other points at all?
@@georgerainbow9803 Look, we’ve found the brainwashed kid! It’s you! Let me guess, consumers shouldn’t be able to learn about the products they’re buying and putting into their body because it’s too scary and complex for them, so we should take away the right to everybody’s else as well. God, when did this generation become such spineless, brainless wimps?
In America, we have had this calorie count in resturants for years. From my POV, it seems like the people complaining are just lazy about monitering the calories. And the new rule in place is only for larger chains, so small chains dont have to follow this. Its not something to be worried about, itll happen and go over most peoples heads and that would be the end of the story.
Yep, was about to comment this. It's been rather uncontroversial in the US. Maybe there are people with eating disorders being affected, I haven't see it firsthand though. For most people, it drives them out of McDonald's and towards healthier places. And when I've calorie counted in the past it's been incredibly helpful. But the average American rarely thinks about this.
It’s definitely not good for me. I and many of the people I know (I was deeply involved in ballet for 16 years) struggle with eating disorders and calorie counts being pushed in our faces is really quite harmful. It’s SO easy to see a calorie count and relapse into an unhealthy relationship with how we fuel our bodies. I used to actively track every calorie I consumed and would reduce it by 25 calories a day. Seeing calories plastered on every vending machine and menu made it nearly impossible for the rational side of my brain to overcome the “eating disordery” side. I do understand how it could be a good thing for a few people, but I still think it causes more harm than good. I would propose maybe putting macros instead of calories.
Tbh, I love anytime you post any video lol. I love hearing your thoughts on things even know for a lot of them, I haven't herd of the topics lol, but it's still interesting. Thanks for being such a awesome youtuber! Keep it up!
I find that format enjoyable and I love your way of talking about things, always level headed, calm, also looking at all sides ;)
I like this way of looking at both sides, but I enjoy when you talk with the chat about subjects more
Also, I very much like the format. It's nice to see a natural conversation like in your streams, but the variety is enjoyable, and this format allows for a much for direct and straightforward addressing of topics.
I would hope the number of people in the UK with an ED is based on amount of people CLINICALLY diagnosed with them. The DSM-5 does have eating disorders in it with specific criteria.
There is therapy and counseling for those that have eating disorders and I believe that is a great option for people and can help with the negatives of this change.
It's an interesting situation.
There are 2 kinds of people, those who care about the calorie amount, and those that don't, and the unfortunate thing is that there are people on both sides who would be negatively affected by this.
Those who care about their calorie intake might include those with eating disorders, while those who don't care about the intake, might me those who this change were designed to help.
Also, the video format is a great idea Xisuma!
I do feel like full nutritional information should be available for restaurants, cafes, and fast food outlets, even if only approximate values. Including the other information reduces the emphasis on calorie counting, while still allowing the customer to make informed decisions.
I do understand the argument that nutritional information is difficult to calculate in the less industrial setting of a kitchen rather than a factory. However most dishes should still be able to have approximations made. For example, many restaurants already approximate the weight of a steak you order, so they can make approximations for protein and fat etc. in that based off that weight, and likewise for many dishes. They already know the potion size, so can make the approximations based off that.
Maybe the "dish of the day" could be exempt from the requirements or something.
Love these videos xizuma, I personally agree on the matter, I would love to see calorie counting here in Greece,everyone has the right to react to this as they feel so I think the article covers pretty much everything
My thoughts are that there's several subsets of people:
The people this is meant to help that will ignore it, is likely to be the largest group of people and this will have little to no effect on them.
The people this is meant to help that will use it to improve their lives, much smaller than the above, but also not the smallest group and it'll likely help them. There is a decent likelihood that there will be a subset of the people in this group that will use this data to harm themselves inadvertently due to lack of knowledge.
The people this isn't meant to help that will ignore it, likely larger than the previous group, but will also have little to no effect on their lives.
The people this isn't meant to help that will pay attention to it, if they have an eating disorder or would be fine but aren't taught how to use it and use it to mess up their diet, then it would be a negative impact on their life. But if they don't have an eating disorder and have been taught how to use it properly then it'll likely help them "maintain a healthier diet".
I think the proponents of this are expecting many more people to be in the second group than many of the opponents expect. Also, there's likely quite a few people mis-estimating the amount of people in the negatively impacted fourth group and the actual impact it'll have on them. It's too bad there's not a system for the person visiting the restaurant to opt out of calorie counts if it would impact them negatively.
I find you really intelligent, eloquent and informative. I’d love for this channel to become the next Philip deFranco. It’d be so cool
As an active body builder I absolutely love this. It allows me to eat out while I can still track and achieve my goals
i completely agree that calories dont necessarily mean anything, it would be so much more helpful to just state things like fat, salt, carbs, sugars ect. another issue is that there's a huge rise in eating disorders among teenagers right now, and it makes eating out with friends/family so much harder when you're in recovery. it would be so much better if the govt focused on making healthy eating more accessible to people with less money rather than making you feel guilty for having a treat once in a while
I've seen some extremely large portion sizes on menus. 1000+ calories tends to happen in some cases. It's a fantastic tool to judge whether something is a reasonable serving or if I should share or save some for leftovers
I really like that you are being open minded to both sides of the issue. That’s usually the healthiest way to engage with these kinds of things :3
I quite enjoyed the video, as you mentioned at the end, just picking an article (maybe a few from different sources would be good) as by the sounds of it it was quite easy to make? Just having a read making some notes? And sharing your thoughts. It certainly was interesting to listen to and have me some food for thought on a few different ways of looking at it
I am a bit biased because i lost 35kg with calorie counting and even today having an idea of how much foods have helps me to keep track. For me, it is empowering.
This is also because i simply cannot eat intuitively. My brain finds excuses, my body quickly gets used to larger amounts of food, my perception gets warped. I can trust the numbers on my scale and the numbers on packaging in times of doubt.
I don't share most concerns about missing nutritional values - if you already eat out most of the time you probably will still do so, if you eat out occasionally then healthy eating also mainly happens at home.
But then again this is only my own limited perspective, i definitely think it's a discussion specialist on ED need to be involved in.
We've had the calorie counting on menus for as long as I can remember in Canada... As a kid I honestly just didn't pay it any attention, but recently as I got into fitness I have found it very helpful.
Coming from a person who has had eating disorders ranging from anorexia to binge-eating and purging, I feel mostly neutral about the new legislations. I don't tend to eat out, and when I do have to attend a meal out with family or friends, it can be incredibly stressful not knowing what I'm eating. The calorie information in Wetherspoons, for example, can actually be comforting for me personally as I can enjoy a meal with family or friends without having intrusive thoughts about the uncertainty of the food I'm eating.
However, I can totally understand that for people who are recovering it can be triggering and stressful to be reminded of numbers and calories, and can cause one to spiral back into old habits, which is very easily done with something like a restrictive eating disorder. I've tried recovery several times, but have always relapsed, and I don't know whether the calories on menus would trigger me if I do eventually find it in myself to attempt recovery again.
Although, your triggers are more often than not your responsibility. If you feel you are not comfortable going to a restaurant where the calories will be listed, then either find a small, local restaurant or get a friend to order a take-away for you, or even cook from home. Not everything can be controlled, obviously, but I believe neither the restaurants nor the government should be completely to blame if someone is triggered by a calorie count.
Obiviously since I am currently struggling with an eating disorder, my mindset might be a little skewed as it will do that to you, so sorry if anything sounds mean or inconsiderate.
P.S. - I made curry for the first time today. It's become a massive fear food for me for some reason, but watching your streams has finally encouraged me to try making some homemade curry. I absolutely loved it and will be making it again :]
13:29 I like the format, encourages a lot of discussion in the comments
It’s been prevalent here in the USA for many years. From my take it’s really just a tool for people who are on diets. Me I’m not one who follows a diet so for me it is useful as a identifier for unhealthy food. You see items surpassing 3000 calories maybe don’t eat it.
I feel like people can just use common sense:
"A fastfood burger with three patties and slices of cheese is probably calorie-heavy. Maybe I should avoid that if I don't need to intake so many calories"
The policy in my house was always that you should just eat a hot meal, no matter what it was. This will make people more hesitant to eat, and in a world with eating disorders on the rise, it's unwise to make food seem worse
I would love a Xisumasays video in this style, explaining your knowledge and experience with calorie counting. I've been thinking about doing it, and obviously, I should get my information from multiple sources, but it'd be nice to have someone I trust somewhat, explain what they know about it.
I think that McDonald's approach is good, because they _theoretically_ have a chart with the nutritional information of every burger/meal, but they just don't show that to everyone, only if one asks for it (which turns out no one does, so most McDonald's don't even have that chart)
It would be good for calorie counters and still hide it from people with eating disorders
Being able to understand what you can/need to eat is part of recovering from a eatting disorder. Trying to ignore it just leads to unhealthy behaviors
I totally agree about being a calorie counter, and finding the info very helpful when picking my meals.
Another benefit is calorie numbers can help tell you how big a meal is on a menu, is it small, is it big etc
Not necessarily, 100g of nuts could have more calories than 5 slices of bread. It could perhaps help you compare similar item type sizes although those are also probably not correct. One little spill of oil is about 100 cals so yeah....
hey xisuma can you make a video explaining the best ways to calorie count or can you suggest some videos or ways to do so correctly.
it would really help us understand how to correctly calory count and what ways work best as we consider you a better-informed source due to your experience with calorie counting
I feel that if you're going for local take away or a local fast-food chain, it should probably be mentioned. Those places their dishes will also be more formulaic and the dishes might not change for months (or ever even).
I don't think the calorie amount matters as much when you go to a high-end restaurant. I doubt anyone is going to choose a 50-100 euro dinner based on whether or not it's 50 calories more or less. These dishes might also change depending on what ingredients are in-season so they change every now and then.
Cool video bro!!! But that thumbnail makes me hungry.... lamo 😂😂😂
I don’t know how to feel about this. On one hand I think it is good to find a way to inform people but on the other hand I do struggle with my diet and am on the skinny side. I already spend as little as possible at restaurants and I think this would really make me feel really negative about myself.
The main take i got from this is, if your diet relies on these numbers it means you probably eat at restaurants too often and its hard to be healthy that way, the best way really is to try and cook your own so that you have better control on what you are eating and not just the kcal number which out of context is hard to know what it really means, and has X said many ppl wont know what those numbers even mean and will probably assume lower is better even tho its not always the case so education is essential to put those numbers into context
The problem is that for people with eating disorders it hurts more than helps. I’m america this has been a thing for years. This also shows it doesn’t help people become healthier because we all know america isn’t the healthiest.
We have had this in the states for some time. I find it really has not changed most peoples habits. At one time were I work we downsized drink sizes and people got angry.
stress is the biggest killer why stress out over what you eat
This is amazing! I usually google what I eat out. I know I can find nutritional values for kfc and McDonald's stuff easily.
Interesting discussion of the article.
Some years ago, I used an app for about to help me keep track of calories and also of exercise. I could add a food or a meal to the app to check its calories and also check how much exercise would be required to burn off those calories (approximately). That made it so much easier for me to judge whether something was “worth” eating or not. Finding out that, say, an afternoon treat of ice cream would require something like an hour of moderately-paced cycling made it easier to decide if I wanted to eat one or not.
Education is hands down something that's needed about food and our relationship to it.
I think, in Britain at least, we have had a poor history of good practical knowledge sharing about food, the science of it as well as the emotional side of it.
The concerns I take away from this initiative is that the powers that be are going to see this as "job done, we've done our part for the obesity crisis. Next..." when actually for the greater majority of people the numbers on a menu are going to make minimal difference. Yes there will be the outer edges of the bell curve who have positive or negative responses to them but most it won't impact. The calories on a menu are not addressing the multitude of things that contribute to people making food choices and whether those food choices are right/best for their dietary needs.
Always enjoy the discussion points you put forward X as they are so diverse and open to so many possible perspectives, without judgement, just a good ol' debate.
Just as a slight addendum as I think what I wrote might come off as I'm in support of weight loss methods as a way to "fix the obesity crisis" when actually I really struggle with the fixation on an obesity crisis and the fact that often it's assumed that people are fat because they eat junk and are lazy. That being fat = unhealthy and being thin = healthy.
These ideas and assumptions are far too black and white, in reality most people are grey. All humans are not the same size, no matter what they eat, because there are so many factors that contribute to each individual's physicality. These things are also not absolute indicators of health. I know people who would be assumed unhealthy because of their size but have lifestyles and habits that you would normally attribute as "healthy living". I'm sure the inverse is true also.
It's not something that can be "fixed" by looking at one thing (and whether or not it should be fixed is another point).
Maybe they could solve some of the issues by not putting the calorie count in the menu, but instead putting a bar code on the menu to link to calorie information? That way it's not in your face, and the restaurants can update the counts live without having to reprint their menus.
I like it because I can get the best calorie to money ratio, since I usually only eat out when I'm very busy. More calories = more energy.
Education is such a good point. I'd love to see recommended amount of nutrients and calories alongside with the nutrients & calories of the meal.
(And I'm not sure but I think McDonald's did it, at least for a while, or in certain countries)
In the US, this ends up being a scapegoat rather than a piece of education. A meal can be 2000 calories, which would normally be avoided, but can now be dismissed by saying "well if you don't like that, just get something with less calories!". Calories are also absolutely not as big of a part of food as needed -- nutrition is more important than calories, while calories are mostly for energy levels and "relative proportioning".
What listing calories ends up doing for people ends up being: completely ignored, adds feelings of guilt as they're ignored, or forces people to eat what they don't want to (even when eating out as a "treat). I don't have an eating disorder anymore but every time I see that my favorite dish of all is more caloric, I avoid it and get something I generally like less. And that ruins my experience, sadly.
In other words, even people who go as a "treat" may end up enjoying their experience less. Personally, I think calorie counts should be accessible, but not directly in your face -- perhaps a website, or a separate optional menu for those who want it.
Also, love the video format. Hearing you talk about these things is so fantastic to me and I can't wait for more videos on this channel.
For my entire life, I've always been really skinny, almost to an unhealthy degree. Partly due to genetics, partly due to how available food was as a child because of my family's income. Thus, I've been conscious of the calorie content of my food for a long time. Trying to maximize calories, while minimizing cost. And it's really hard, even with that information being available. That's why I'm thankful it's there, I believe it'd be nigh impossible without that information on packaging or menus. Now I have to clarify, I'm an American, and my particular experience with gaining or losing weight is not typical, so others experiences will definitely vary. This was my take on it though!
Welcome to the party England :) Your (ex) step child, Canada, has had it for years at least lol.
To be honest, I appreciate the information being readily available but its unnecessary to have it lit up with lights and LEDs
On one hand knowing the calories would make dieting easier... but on the other... slippery slopes. First it's calorie counts, than labels, than banned ingredients, ect. These last few years have given me a healthy dose of concern when it comes to what government bodies mandate.
But Im also a horrifically overweight American so I may not know anything.
Showing calories is a tool. for people who get anxiety attacks Maybe there should be an option to hide that information. Ultimately this change will help people who want it.
As for feed back on the video, I liked it. Maybe some soft background music could improve the quality of the video.(just a suggestion)
I liked this video. It reminds me of Bob Ross.
I've counted calories for over a year (this is already a few years back in university), going so far as to take a kitchen scale with me into the university canteen to weigh the food there. Of course I got a few funny looks, but it was very helpful to measure whats going into my body.
If only it wasn't so annoying to do. I stopped doing it when I finished university. This would've really helped me back then!
These days I'm content just eating whatever, whenever. But I keep to my own "feeding" schedule, and am only eating at home, so this legislation basically has no impact on me any longer.
More information = more better, clearly. No one will start arguing against nutrition information on food products from the supermarket. In fact, a proper nutrition table instead of the number of calories would be even better. However, of course this must not hinder creativity by chefs. If the leeway is the right amount (and the >250 staff establishments only rule seems like it is) this is wholly a positive change.
To be honest, I’m dieting. If I eat anything that has a calorie count, I have an idea of the ballpark of what I’m getting so if I’m getting 1200cal of like protein and vegetables then I’m cool, but if it’s like 1200cal of Salisbury steak with gravy or something like that I know it’s probably not what I need.
Personally for me, I think I'm very much similar to you. I've sort of got an endless stomach for the most part, and when I started calorie counting it helped me to realise what my portion sizes should be and what foods were more nutritious than others (coz I'd also pay attention to macros and micros). I think I've also gotten to the point where my sense of food is back to normal, and I can essentially intuitively eat.
I don't think these changes are going to make much of a difference for me, or for the general population (coz we'll likely eat the same things regardless though I think calorie counting is a great tool).
I feel like what's tough about this whole situation is that people most likely won't change unless they themselves want to. So maybe having exercise be more accessible (e.g. more outdoor gyms in parks) and having each other encourage healthy eating may be better but I'm no expert.
As someone who never care about this stuff it doesnt matter if there is a calorie count or not. And i probably will never go to UK anyway
But i guess this can be useful for people who needs or are intersted to know this stuff
// body image, eating disorder, skipping meals, panic attacks
i feel as though this is a good idea - and i can see why they wanna implement this, but as someone who's struggled with body image and eating - i used to skip breakfast and lunch every day for 2 years bc i didn't like the way my body looked - this is a massive setback. this would cause 2017-19 me a lot of stress and panic attacks.
i can see both sides, though
Body dismophia isnt understood that well by most people, sounds like you are doing better now?
@@ozspoz1317 yes, thank you! i have been doing a lot better since lockdown, weirdly. still not entirely happy with the way i look, but i'm getting there :)
Calorie counting sort of like drinking responsibly, some people do, some people don't. Its all about personal choice to do so. I don't have to read Calories on food but some people may choose to do so.
I rarely eat out, so even if calories are in the menu, I would probably still choose based on what I want to eat regardless of the numbers. As eating out is a treat/rarity for me. But I can see how it could have negative effects on people
Little suggestion X, when you watch a video about the calorie count appearing on all menus, the next video you want to watch may not be something to do with HermitCraft. Currently both the end cards are videos about HermitCraft. Just thought I’d mention that in hopes of helping
That's because YT has determined its what your most likely to watch next.
Yeah, i think there’s a really strong argument to be made that this kind of legislation doesn’t reduce negative health outcomes but rather perpetuates myths about the effectiveness of calorie restrictive diets and encourages disordered eating.
Personally, I hate it.
I went to a restaurant today with my family, and decided to get a kids meal (I'm 13 and wasn't particularly hungry), and the second I saw the calorie count I couldn't stop thinking about whether it was the normal amount, or too much, or if I should get something else.
The fact that this was on a kids menu was the worst part. Calories are misleading, because while 100 looks like a lot, it's not, and kids shouldn't have to grow up thinking about calories every time they eat out.
I don't have an eating disorder but have had lines of thought that match up to them, and I know if I started counting calories, I'd never stop. For people with eating disorders, this will cause them to spiral, and for overweight people (who sometimes do suffer from eating disorders) it likely won't change their eating habits.
Anorexia is the single deadliest mental disorder, and can contribute towards depression and other mental issues. It might decrease obesity, but not the death count.
I feel you, as a person who's in a similar boat.
And it depends on the day, as my family's been great at homing in the idea that focusing on what I look like and how much I eat isn't a definer of who I am, but I still go down that train of thought myself.
I've never gone to the unhealthy extents as many who actually suffer with this stuff do, but I feel you.
I and many others don't have a clear enough understanding of food and health and the purposes of eating, and the calories are more of a curse than a blessing. There's nothing inherently "wrong" with adding a calorie count, but because of how society pressures people to look and eat a certain way, it's not doing any good.
But I'd like you to know, even if I don't know you personally---I believe that God created us and called us His, and loves us even when we look or are less than perfect. It's helped me so much through out middle school to be reminded that my worth is defined by my Creator and Savoir instead of how much I eat, or how good I am, or how much I get done in a day.
I feel your struggle though. It's hard to stop the overthinking, and once it gets going, it feels impossible to stop.
But I can tell you now, whatever your life is like irl, you've got people (even if just me) who support you and care about how your life ends up.
Don't get caught up in food though. It's not worth it, and you are so much more besides what you look like and what you eat. :)
@@taytaythehufflepuff8532 Thank you, that honestly means so much to me. Sometimes I think most young people need the reminder that we're worth more than our external appearance. And while I can try and tell myself that, it's sometimes really nice to hear someone say it to me.
Thank you, this has genuinely made my day
So when's the food system overhaul
Less calories does **not** equal healthier. Calories are a terrible metric for measuring food. It would be a lot more beneficial for restaurants to list sugar and carbohydrates instead
I think its fairer to say Calories are part of the equation but not the whole picture. You can eat healthy but consume more net calories than you burn and thus put on weight over time.
@@xisumavoid That's true!
This is something I see that is going to happen. For a really unhealthy snack, they are gonna list the calories per milligram or something to make the value seem less. Other than that I find it to be a good legislation. Like many pointed out, for people suffering from eating disorders it might be a problem.
Umm quite interesting to see as someone who lives outside of the UK
I imagine this will have virtually no effect. You can't solve a problem like obesity by simply informing people. It's like telling smokers that they'll get lung cancer.
im on the side of, i dont think it matters that much. dont get me wrong, i do think having the calorie count should still be a thing. still useful to know how much you are eating. that being said. if you care a lot about your heath. eating out will just about always cost more and be less heathy than eating at home where you can put more thought in what you are eating, and should be viewed as more of a treat.
i do calorie count however it did cause me to under eat a ton when i was first learning, id have a meal out at kfc and not eat anything for the rest of the day from stress of getting heavier, i think we definitely need more education on this topic to combat the anxiety of not knowing about calories what it means and how much you should have however education on our nutrients would also be helpful
They didn’t have that in the UK?
as someone who is currently in the midst of an anorexia relapse, i can see this from two perspectives. on the disordered side, a part of me loves the fact that calories are now labelled as i can restrict more than i already do. however, as i had (pre covid) been recovered, seeing calorie counters would have made my recovery a million times more difficult. a large part of eating disorders is control, and by adding these counters, it has just added to this disordered control.
Personally I think it'll be helpful for the general population, because all it'll do is give you more information about what you're eating and you don't have to let it change your habits. That being said, I can see how it could be stressful for people with eating disorders, so maybe an intermediate solution would be better; for example, maybe let restaurants choose not to show calories on physical menus, but if they do there has to be a QR code to take you to a version of the menu _with_ calories for anyone who cares (though my guess is this wouldn't be legal under the new law). Or it could go the other way, where restaurants could have calories on a physical menu and for anyone worried about it causing undue stress there'd be a QR code linking to a version _without_ calories (which restaurants could probably do without the law changing, but I don't know the specifics so maybe not).
Also I feel like the argument of this being a "bad timing for struggling businesses" is kind of dumb, because to me it seems like if you have 250+ employees you probably have at least two or three locations, and if you can afford that I struggle to see how you couldn't afford to count the calories in your meals. I've never had anything to do with the food industry so maybe I'm totally wrong and it's far more difficult/expensive than I expect, but in my head it doesn't seem that hard
i wish my country will do the same
Lol me watching a food base video whilst fasting.
i do think it could be useful, but it can be, for some people, just so so bad, especialy the little kids and chefs in the kitchen
The reason I clicked because I saw the pizza and I am fasting I have 4 more hours to go lol
I think its a good idea
Currently on a diet myself and mostly doing it by replacing meals with diet shakes.
Had done calory counting in the past, but the app I used back then was likely a cryptominer or something else because it had a suspiciously high data usage.
Use my fitness pal
@@itzvihaan6734 MyFitnessPal was that app.
@@chelvo56 well, I've been using it for over a year now and it doesn't seem to be doing any shady stuff.
In fact, its considered as the staple calorie tracker in the fitness community, although there may be others doing better/different things.
hello xisuma
I am perfectly healthy right now but I berry much dislike this. I tried call counting and I lost controll so fast it was awfull and I still have to fight every day not to look at the labels of things
No, people who are obese do not count as people with an eating disorder, personally calorie counting is what started it all for me and for many others I know.
the polocy can lead to peapole eating mor unhealthy food. by locking at both calories and price you can find what givs you the most food for the lowest price.
I don't know how that will help tackle obesity to be honest... I never really cared about the calories at the back of a packet until I made an effort personally..
If they wanted to tackle obesity I think our whole of society needs to be changed. It's a deeper issue imo.
"I haven't been to a mcdonalds in 15-16 years"
This implies that xsuima has a strict diet and works out consistently, potentially having a doom guy level phsysique.
I think X is a very healthy man with a strong physique, being the Doom Guy requires something extra that I don't think X is going for!
As an American, I can confirm that McDonald's has listed calories for as long as I can remember.
3:03 The rules are only for restaurant chains, and they already have certain things they can make and ways to make them. They already need to do the checkbox things. There isn't much room for creativity anyway, so I don't really see the issue there.
If you go to a restaurant chain you should know what you're getting when you order something. The small restaurants can't offer that and they don't need to offer that. So I think it could lead to the rise of more smaller businesses that allow for more flexibility. So I mostly see benefits for everyone here.
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