Don't Get Stuck With CAGED
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In today’s video, we’re tackling a common plateau many face: the confines of the CAGED system. It’s an excellent framework for beginners, helping to understand chord shapes and the fretboard. However, it's easy to become too comfortable and hinder our creative growth. Throughout the video, we'll provide practical exercises, tips, and examples to help you confidently move past the CAGED system's basic chord shapes. Whether you're a beginner looking to broaden your horizons or an experienced player seeking to unlock new levels of creativity, this guide is for you.
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Studying CAGED for the last 6 months has really allowed me to get a good visual of where things are at on the fretboard. It’s certainly not an end all be all, but it’s golden for a beginner trying to figure out fretboard mechanics.
There is value in ALL of the different systems.
Learn as much as you can.
Use what moves you.
Keep pickin'.
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100% CAGED is one extremely useful perspective on a larger issue. A true student of the instrument would do well to also explore 3 note per string shapes, playing across a single string, open/closed triads, etc - they all contain valuable insights in navigating the fretboard
I don't get the controversies with guitar. Three notes per string, CAGED, music theory. I think it's best to try to learn as much as you can, and use what you like. Everything is at our fingertips tips now, so take advantage of it.
I suck at CAGED, only using the top 3 strings of the D shape! But I don't understand the battle between CAGED and 3 Notes per String! One is specifically geared for chords and the other is for scales, modes, visualizing a key all over the fretboard. They really don't have the same jobs, so why are they in direct competition with each other?
I can appreciate the different schools of thought. I was originally self-taught 30 years ago and learned mostly from tabs before internet tabs and videos. Then, I was classically trained in university. So, CAGED was never a thing for me. I went from bumbling around through theory to having a profound understanding of it at just about the highest level of education. Though CAGED wasn't a concept for me, it was kinda of implied through theory. It was already there so I didn't need the shortcut that it offers to theory. So, if someone is trained in classical or jazz and they have a good grip on theory, CAGED seems kind of useless or at least unnecessary. If you come from a lack of study in theory or a limited one, CAGED can unlock a new world to you. I think it can be a great tool but, I can also see how, for the old guard, it's just redundant. I have friends who studied music classically on other instruments and they don't see theory on guitar as easily as someone who was trained on guitar. I think CAGED works great for them to help them visualize theory as applied to guitar.
@@voronOsphere CAGED actually goes beyond chords - its more or less a system of visualizing chord tones within 5 scale shapes! Seeing the scales and chord inversions together as one is really the strength and valuable insight of CAGED imo.
3 note per string shapes are the exact same scales, the 3nps shapes just help you smoothly move across positions up and down the neck, rather than being stuck in 5 'boxes' or vertical positions. I think of 3nps as an escalator taking me to different 'floors' with in the CAGED shapes, though if you REALLY know the 5 scale shape boxes of CAGED, you can freely navigate them without a rigid 3nps geometry.
Playing scales across one string at a time is the real key to freely moving position across the guitar imo, it ties both systems together and allows you to move vertically, diagonally, or horizontally
@MikeB12800 What "controversies"? The CAGED system teaches you one part of the guitar. It is a place to start. That's it!
@@thomasdequincey5811 it's not the OP but i imagine they might have said "controversial" bc some YTers have made videos on why they think CAGED sucks, why 3np is better, why you don't need theory, etc. like most stuff, it seems like some people just have to pick a side rather than realizing that both systems can work together
Anyone who would purport to have beef with CAGED doesn't understand it, and shouldn't be trusted. What is there to dislike? Do these people not like being able to visualize the fingerboard using easy, common chord shapes? Who are these people?
My only beef with CAGED is that it has two letters two many. The "A" is actually just part of the "G" shape, and likewise the "D" is part of "C". So it's really just CEG.
You, sir, sound marvelous as always and it's always great to hear your thoughts on matters. Peace, brotha. :)
Triads are my religion. I learned them the good old fashioned way. Writing out all the notes of the major scale in every single key onto each keys own individual piece of paper, then highlighting all the roots 3rds and 5ths and then memorizing the shapes and connecting them, I also memorized where all the roots and 3rds were in each inversion and by default know where 5th is. I already knew what you get when you move a third around or fifth around etc. Triads changed my life man.
thanks for sharing
That guitar sounds amazing!
Like, so good.
I think you explained the reason this is important Well, and clearly you're studied but I find the thing that's hard for people to understand(and to teach) are not only the why? But the how? I found a teacher that was great at explaining how these systems work to me and all of a sudden they made so much sense and were mich easier to understand. Taking someone through the process of how you learned/remember what you know is so valuable
Thank you, Rhett, for continuing to make videos like this. This is very helpful.
This was lovely. I am at the point where I am experimenting a lot with these concepts and learning more. Thanks for this Rhett!
Great explanation, beautiful guitar and awesome tone! Fun to listen to just to hear the noodling around
Nice well thought out explanation to adding new options to established systems. Well done, Rhett...
Great video and advice and beautiful playing Rhett.
Despite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage! Cheers Rhett!!
Solid man! This perspective should be a goal for everyone - well done!
Thank you for this. Wonderfully presented, simple ideas with practice guidance. Respect.
I just want to say I have been watching your videos for about 2 years now and I have improved tremendously since. I also got the barebones course and that alone has helped me fill in gaps that I have had the past 12-13 years I have been playing guitar. The CAGED portion of the BB course helped me from playin only open and bar chords to playing chords throughout the guitar neck.
Great stuff. You explained perfectly what I was doing without realising already. Looking at the shapes and trying different inversions and positions.
Great lesson. That first inversion stuff melts right into my soul.
While I’m not a big fan of systematic approaches (especially CAGED), your breakdown was one of the best this old goat has seen. And that guitar was dripping with sublime tone. Well done sir.
Great lesson! Triads and arpeggios made me a better lead player. Loved your tone!
"Think outside the box", good one Rhett !
Love all your video's Rhett, but these educational ones I come back to time and time again (that and the Great Gig in the Sky recording). Thanks for all the knowledge.
Just picked guitar back up after a 10 year hiatus. Only been playing for seven months but it’s awesome to learn all these different systems getting there slowly but that’s the beauty of playing guitar. Awesome video thank you.👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🎼
This is the first video I have seen that has made this idea interesting to me. Well done Mr. Shull.
Great video. Thanks Rhett 🙏
Good info. It's great that you have such a wonderful business teaching guitar. Continued success with it through the coming years Rhett! :)
Fantastic explanation. Thank you
Superb lesson, thank you Rhett
Very informative session.Thank you.
read CAGED in more logical order as EDCAG ... just this helped me a lot to hear
Quick shout-out to that guitar. Sounds magical.
I've been doing some of this unknowingly. But this vid really did get me connecting some dots. I thoroughly enjoyed it!
being self taught and spending days upon weeks discovering these things on my own, I'm glad this puts some method to my madness. that said, I don't think I'll change my method of learning, which is sort of in reverse from most people. thanks for this post. makes sense.
That guitar sounds spectacular
Gorgeous guitar. It's lush visually and tonally. Love that thing.
Nice video.... and that guitar sounds great too!
Great ideas thanks.
Dig that guitar too.
CAGED is just one perspective to the ultimate issue - seeing scales and chord tones across the guitar fretboard.
CAGED is brilliant at breaking the tangle of scales and chord tones up into 5 digestible vertical positions, or 'boxes', connected to chord shapes we're already familiar with. The only real 'trouble' is not learning these 5 shapes well enough to connect them smoothly and freely move between them.
3 notes per string establishes more of a diagonal scalar template, which helps with the issue of moving between positions on the guitar smoothly, but doesn't connect to common chord tones/shapes as intuitively.
IMO the real key is to learn both, see how they relate, and also learn to play your scales and arpeggios across one string at a time. CAGED will show you where the vertical positions and chord tones are, 3nps is like an escalator that helps you smoothly move diagonally through positions, and single-string playing will allow you to freely connect the two systems
When I was in music school, my guitar teacher taught me this form of understanding triads in 3 string fragments, but I never thought in the way you just did, thak you so much 🎵
If you tune to standard tuning... The notes are always in the same spot. CAGED, Three Notes Per String, Five Positions.. etc. It's always the same notes, in the same place. There are many ways to "view" the fretboard. I feel if you know the neck, you know more than one way to describe, view or talk about it..
Great video, Rhett.
Excellent vid 🔥🔥
I bought Rhett’s CAGED course and it’s awesome. This is such a good addition to the course. 😀😀😀
Fantastic video!
I think what is most important to point out about the CAGED system is that the "boxes" does not equal fingerings.
The guitar is tuned in apentatonic scale, but more importantly contain a minor and a major chord.
The pesky third between the 2nd and 3rd string is there to make the guitar by design reaaaally good at dealing with Triads.
And since the tuning can be said to be designed to handle triads really well, triads and pentatonic scales, and we think today music very much in terms of scales and triads, they become very useful in organizing the "matrix" of the fretboard.
The issues you address and attribute to the CAGED system, i feel stems from the fact the CAGED system is usually taught and described in a way that
can create the impression that it is fingerings. So the discussions tend to be framed as "x fingering system vs caged".
The classical guitarist and composer Fernando Sor wrote a method that pressed the importance of "understanding" music, rather than just "playing thenotes with your fingers", and described that he viewed the fretboard in "figured bass figures". In this sense you could say he describes a version of the caged system, but describes a way of thinking harmony that is not oriented after an idea of triads and inversions, but how consonant intervals relate to the bass note. Instead of triads his "CAGED system" relates to movements in voice leading, as something dynamic.
To me the CAGED system, is at its most usefull in musical contexts, how the different shapes interact with each other, the C shape of a C major chord overlap/interact with the A shape of a minor or example, musical understanding like voiceleading for example plays a role in how the CAGED system work
in relation to your musical understanding and decisions in context. If you see a C shape major triad, its less mental load to find the ninths in the position over X bassnote, because they have to be right below the thirds.
The connective part is the musical understanding that you discuss in the video, that connects the CAGED system to what think is a separate issue, that is, issues regarding fingering.
Three notes per string, might bring you upwards in pitch as well, as you go diagonally up the fretboard.
Two notes per string applied to a major scale brings you up in pitch, up in strings, but downwards on the fretboard.
What fingering you do will affect the sound, and what you can physically play. Classical guitarists are very particular on this, because the timbre of the strings can be so different, and thus have to make many musical choices regarding where on the fretboard, or how a phrase is affected based on when in the phrase you changed a string. Thats why you can often see classical guitarists play a lot on the same string in a phrase when it would be easier to play the same notes in position.
Musical choices inform how to tackle issues in fingering.
The CAGED system informs your organizing of the fretboard, and is organized by your understanding of theory, spesifically triads.
You could not have picked a better sounding Guitar to do this video with. This video has a wealth of information and will probably get more views than you can imagine. Many repeated views as well. Thank you.
So much great playing in this video. I wanted more.
Very insightful!
Came back to guitar after a 10 year hiatus, glad I found your channel Rhett. I was watching you play some vintage guitars at a shop in an old video and I was inspired to get up and go find a local shop. I did and played some wonderful vintage strats (very badly) but it was great. This created a new problem though as I continued to hang out at the shop and play this nice gear, now my 16 year old epiphone Les Paul and solid state fender frontman just weren’t cutting it sound wise. Picked up a modded blues jr for $300 and a 2015 American standard Strat for $800!! What an improvement, now to get some real pickups in the epiphone so I can hear those sweet Les Paul sounds.
Nice lesson. Thanks
I have slowly worked on improving my knowledge of Caged and the inversions of each chord in each position. I think it is a gamed changer and learning it has given me tools to allow me to "Color" a song's chord progression in a way that fits for the songs mood.
Back in the day, before CAGED was “a thing”, advanced guitar players would have figured out that a big step towards improvising freely was to learn the scale patterns and arpeggio that “fit around” each of the commonly used moveable chord shapes. I think of CAGED as a logical system for cataloguing and organizing those related chord, arpeggio, and scale shapes.
Each system is just a perspective from which you can view the instrument. Nothing says you have to limit yourself to one perspective.
That’s like telling yourself it’s only ok to speak one language; or it’s only ok to read, but not do math.
It’s all knowledge.
Rhett, Thanks for this educational video. By the way - KILLER tone man! And beautiful (new?) Archtop ;)
What a beautiful sounding guitar. And beautiful looking as well!
I love this video. I have played guitar for a long time but my playing still sounds one of three things: 1) song I learned; 2) a panatonic blues riff; or 3) boring power chords.
I want what you are playing - to understand what you are doing. I memorized the CAGE chords but haven’t figured out the next step to make it musical.
😊 Nicely done.
This was really cool. Sounds awesome. Edwin Woods . Thunder Bay Ontario Canada . Really good advice . Love the channel
Sold! To the man with the mid life creativity crisis. Thanks Rhett
Finally, a video how to get the best out of the CAGE. And not just bout the pros/cons!!!
I've always been a player that didn't think you had to all 5 or 6 notes in a chord, when playing with another guitar player. It can get a muddy. But this gave me some new ideas.
Nice epi 😊
I just think that being called 'CAGED' makes it seem like a static system, something like cowboy chords part II. I've being using it for years as a point of reference to find voicings and a different approach to chords. As with anything else, it's as useful as you make it. Nice video Rhett, as always!
If people would actually read the book that was written correctly by Bill Edwards, then people wouldn’t have this problem. I believe he was the first to write it. It’s like everyone reads the first book of a three part series and then tries to teach it. The book is called Fretboard Logic and it is a complete series explaining the entire system and then shows how to use it in context. Most complaints that I have heard about CAGED is that it is incomplete but it is not. The people that say this have only read the first book and regurgitate their limited knowledge. Also, people seem to think that it is a system that was created to help people map out the fretboard. This is false. This system was created by design when 6 string instruments tuning was determined what it should be, or should I say the intervals between strings were predetermined with this system in mind to navigate the fretboard and make chords, and scales, and arpeggios. Bill Edwards is the only person to write a book explaining the system in its entirety.
I remember trying to learn CAGED years ago and getting frustrated. I gave up trying. After some time, I started doing more of a Hendrix/Mayfield/Mayer thing, and realized I was actually applying the system. Now it's the main way I see the fretboard, yet I don't really sit there and say, "this is CAGED." I just needed to see how it applied to what I was playing.
That guitar sounds gorgeous.
Yeah it had a very nice sound
Hey Rhett, Did you get a new guitar when I met you at Sweetwater this week?
You were playing one that was similar to this one.
I love that guitar it has a beautiful chime
Thanks for this Rhett
I never play to become a player
Playing is private and therapetic for me... as well as a journey of discovery
I really do think this is a valid and even important tool in the toolbox for someone like me.
Hope you are well and I'm off to grab a guitar :)
Dave Gavurin from the Sundays was really good at this, and the fills he did on Wild Horses were just brilliant. All chunks from bigger chords. Then he fell into a black hole never to be heard from again lol.
Guthrie Trapp teaches a lot on CAGED, if it works for him I’m good with it.
Nice vid Rhett!
Hey I've bought myself a Zephyr also, its a real special instrument great for jazz, also the acoustic sound it surprisingly good, the sustain and overtones are also something I've not heard before !
Maybe it's me, but I never thought of triad inversions up and down the neck as the CAGED system, though guitarists keep saying it is. I learned CAGED as a single note scale system. Triad inversions don't need a name - there's only one way to play them, so there can't be any other 'system.' Whereas in scales, you can play them 3 notes per string, as some players do, or in position boxes. With boxes, there's always another box up the neck, and boxes overlap, so you can move a couple of frets to go to the next box and the notes are under your fingers. Now - the major triad inversions and the major scale positions overlap. They have to! It's just a matter of memorizing where the notes are all over the neck and connecting them to set fingering pattens so that you don't have to use a random finger to get the next note you want to play. Rhett can do it, so it doesn't matter what he calls it, but I think that both he and Beato muddy the waters when they talk about CAGED.
Hi! Nice video, thanks.
Which model is this guitar? It's a really beautiful one!
Thanks🤙🏼
thanks
Great stuff! But I'm wondering if some folks might have missed the fact that you jumped into dropped-D tuning along about 3:17.
I learned aspects of CAGED, but it was never called that.
I don’t actually think it consciously, but I have used it
Good video, I would like to see an overlay showing a tab of how to fret each chord as it can be hard to tell by looking at the video.
That guitar tone is amazing. Making me jones for a full hollow-body. Is that a Guild?
Not quite there but I dig it! 👊🏻
I love the sound of that guitar! I was wondering if it's just because of the pickups, or do you have something special in your signal chain?
I was going to say "Nice grandpa's guitar" but that is really a great grandpa's guitar
I think the problem with CAGED is that we see it and use it as a system where in my opinion it should be more of a guide. It might be semantics but as an educator I find semantics are important in teaching/learning process. This was a good explanation of how to use it like a guide, nice work Rhett
I gig Rhett’s guitar! Gotta be an Epi. New model? Refin’d oldie? Looks new to me. The pickups are ‘50s New Yorker style and the hump fretboard inlays are from that period too. Hmmm…
I don’t know if I have anything against CAGED per se but…it just feels a bit overhyped to me? If it helps you learn the major triads and inversions over the neck, well good. 👍 Seems a lot of people have learned that very thing without CAGED too so… whatever works for you.
Personally it’s just not how I think about it, so CAGED becomes more of a detour than a shortcut for me. 🤷♂️
(Also don’t forget to learn minor, diminished and augmented triads and their inversions as well as the notes on the neck.)
i play guitar for more than 20 years, in some periods i also managed to work as a pro but i still get lost so easy on the damn fretbard when i get out of my comfort zones xD I've never been able to memorize and get used to it xD
Certainly a useful tool to have in the box the guitar rewards those who put the work in 😂 cheers.
I dig the Zephyr.
That Epiphone is beautiful
Hey quick feedback:
As soon as the guitar comes in, there's a strange shift in the audio. Sounds like a phase issue when you listen with headphones.
Great video, just thought that might help!
I played along with you....i think you would have like it. But i am half the world away in Vienna.... .. .
Keith Richards: “Pieces of chords.”
put some note charts on the screen... people would evaluate your content even more!
Thanks for the lesson
sup rhett
I think CAGED is great once you learn all the cowboy chords and being able to easily switch between them. I'd also teach a 1-4-5 blues shuffle in E or A first. It might be taught too soon, because honestly I don't see any negatives to learning it.
I need exercises to help me practice and learn these concepts.
I'm more or less into this stage of my guitar learning curve. In your opinion (as well as other commenters) is it better to focus on one triad at a time and learn the different shapes, or is it better to learn the different shapes in "sections" of the fretboard? At this moment, the concept of CAGED and the different chord shapes seems a bit overwhelming and I don't know how to tackle it
What is that guitar? Sounds beautiful!
I have never understood why people call it a "system," as though it "does" something. I've always just thought of it as "learning the fretboard."
How did you get this sound on guitar
What pickups are those on that guitar?
That guitar looks like a reissue its so clean. Rad find. Those NY pickups sound so retro and rad. What is that model?
Lol it’s a reissue!
@@andycunningham3303 word! Thats a good one 👍