Walk away after CRASH on your own? Paramotor geometry part 25.1
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- We have first hand experience for you about the crashes and we will explain to you what can paramotor do for you to walk away safely from the crash.
There are four ways how to crash and we will go through every single one, so stay with us!
Stay with us and you will learn more!
Topics that will be covered in this classroom:
*Please, be aware that we are adding videos each week, so there can and will be changes to this list.
1. Intro: Searching for the ultimate best paramotor - what is or will be your flying style?
2. Paramotor suspension, part 1: Why suspension is the most important characteristics of a paramotor?
3. Paramotor suspension, part 2: Why weight-shift is more fun and more safe?
4. Paramotor suspension, part 3: How much weight-shift authority you get from your paramotor?
5. Paramotor suspension, part 4: Pitch stability under power
6. Paramotor suspension, part 5: Speed bar behavior
7. Paramotor suspension, part 6: Ground-handling and running with a paramotor
8. Paramotor suspension, part 7: Comfort in flight
9. Paramotor suspension, part 8: The sectret questionmark suspension.
10. Paramotor suspension, part 8: The big comparison of paramotor suspension systems
11. Torque: Why and how much torque we face?
12. Torque: Why don't we use counter-rotating propellers?
13. Torque compensation on high suspension paramotors
14. Torque compensation on medium and low suspension paramotors
15. Torque: SCOUT Dynamic Torque Compensation.
16. Comparison of torque compensation systems
17. Gyroscopic effect on paramotors
18. Geometry of the paramotor frame, part 3: Why being reclined is dangerous?
19. Geometry of the paramotor frame, part 1: Why being reclined is inefficient?
20. Geometry of the paramotor frame, part 4: Big comparison of paramotor frame geometry
21. Harness geometry, part 1 - getting in and out of the harness
22. Harness geometry, part 2 -Why some harnesses are more comfortable than others?
23. paramotor safety, part 1: Load test of paramotors
24. paramotor safety, part 2: Attachment of the gooseneck bars to the main frame
25. paramotor safety, part 3: crumple zones and back protection
26. paramotor safety, part 4: Beware of getting the throttle cable into the propeller
27. paramotor safety, part 5: propeller clearance
28. How much power do you need?
29. Standard 125 cm prop or larger?
30. How much does weight matter?
31. Do you need a clutch?
32. Electric starter or manual?
33. How important is aerodynamics of paramotors? fuel tank hanging low
34. How much fuel capacity do you need?
35. What is the ideal paramotor for tandems?
Stay tuned! Did we miss something you want to learn?
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Thanks for the great Cameo Byron (Team Fly Halo) and for sharing the footage of your accident. Educational.
Two and a half years of flying, several hundred hours, and I broke my first part on the Scout. Launched in conditions I shouldn't have, "rode the bull" for 80 seconds, and flew into strong sink. With full throttle and a wing inflated over my head I was sinking rapidly from 75' to impact. I shutdown the engine before impact and flared with a full wrap of brake but I hit harder than my legs could hold. The Scout impacted the ground, shattering two spars and the bottom hoop section. I bent the frame and stand a bit as well, and my under-seat reserve made a dent in the earth. My flying buddy thought he had watched me break my back, and ran to my side. Once I caught my breath and unclipped, I was fine! I walked away from the crash a bit sore, some bruising where the back plate was pushed against my spine, but no major injury. I honestly believe the Scout saved my life and prevented serious spinal injury. I've ordered the parts and fabric required to repair the Scout and will fly again in a week!
+Mike Wakefield I am glad you are OK!
Was it a stal? Do you have a video to analyze and learn a lesson?
@@SCOUTaviation, I'm glad someone made use of the but bag. He did say something that I hope he addressed. The back plate had no foam or plate.
Very Good Video. Bryon...one of my Hero's in the sport sharing his experience in a accident that could have ended badly. Cheers to you guys for putting out much needed safety videos.Start Safe, Stay Safe.
Another great video. Thanks. Fly safe!
Nice and informative as always. Thanks for all the info. Looking forward for some more info on that 4-stroke beauty you are working on.
Best regards from Sweden.
Have a nice day and fly safe.
right now we are editing one ;)
kyle I
Great stuff Miro! Just finished my training and I have a Scout on order. It's this kind of information and next level thinking/research that led me to go with you guys and your paramotor. I'm beyond excited so hurry up and make/ship the damn thing already!
Working day and night :P So we will meet in some epic adventure someday!
Thanks for the update! Yes, that would be very cool if I ran into you out there somewhere with our Scouts. The Iceland trip was amazing and inspiring. Thanks Miro!
There is another obvious thing you could do. How about some load tailored crush foam underneath the seats for a relatively hard butt drag, maybe 6" to a foot thick? I see a lot of pilots crash that way on the internet, and it seems that would go at least some distance to preventing back/hip injuries on moderate impacts. At least the difference of crashing in sugar sand vs. wet driven on hard packed beach sand, and that would be SIGNIFICANT.
Other aspects of the geometry look good. Maybe you could even aero shape it a bit so not too much increased induced drag. I see you discuss it later in the vid, after I wrote this, BUT, seriously:
IT DOESN'T MATTER whose FAULT anything is, it happens, you design the vehicle, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU SHOULD throw the reserve, in fact I see SOOOO many pilots going in on the net that SHOULD HAVE, and try to "work" the foil out all the way to the ground, deal with it. Personally, I don't think a TERTIARY, or secondary reserve chute is a bad idea, to be thrown fairly low, say low enough to get it inflated within 10-20 seconds of "two chute out" impact, as it gives that chute less time to get fouled by the other two before, hopefully, in that case, landing, rather than impacting. You also talk as if you only have the choice of a crumple zone OR an airbag, the two are IN NO WAY mutually exclusive. Dumb argument. And I find it hard to believe that it does much to increase drag BEHIND your legs, legs up, maybe, legs down I'll bet you could design it to REDUCE the drag (rear fairing, anyone) but this machine overall is not BY ANY MEASURE a low drag (or high lift) flying machine, it basically relies on a LOT of HP/lb to keep it in the air, it's just SO LIGHT that it doesn't take a pile of HP to do it. Something like the Rutan Quickie (drag of a Cessna landing gear) or a high performance sailplane at 50 or 60:1 L/D, that is a high lift low drag aircraft.
Obviously, there is no way to make everything inherently safe in this sport, but like in F1, you might consider incorporating everything you reasonably can to increase safety, and to me, as an engineer, this one does not seem, at first glance, to be anything BUT a no brainer. Unless I'm missing something, if so, enlighten me. As with EVERY engineer, wouldn't be the first time. ;-)
And by "terminal velocity", he means of that total rig, which is NOTHING like terminal velocity (150-300 mph (diving) ) in a free fall with no chute, but still WAY TO FAST to be hitting the ground. I've heard people say they had sore backs for days after hitting the WATER in that configuration in SIV classes.
Seriously, you could also design so the throttle cable CAN'T get pulled into the prop....really????
It didn't take 25 videos for me to know I was getting the Scout when I get my paramotor.. I start training in three days! As much as I love the look of the carbon I'll probably go with the enduro anyway just in case I have a few crappy landings
Hey, so good luck with your training! It is possible to change the enduro cage for carbon later on, no problem there.
Pretty cool video and I like that you didn’t only ‘sell’ the SCOUT (even though I love your brand & products)...
Nice info.
Also I feel like so,e of these situations could be helped with a few tweaks in paramotor designs - you guys are the experts, but surely some of these types of accidents could be better prevented on the kit?
Despite the serious subject, the video was quite fun :D
In a different video that shows the guy crash with the reserve he said, "the reserve saved my life, the crumple zone saved me from paralysis." I am concerned that maybe the crumple zone value was downplayed in this video, but I can see your point.
"Cut your spine like sausage into little pieces" with that German accent. Priceless.
I'm pretty sure he's Czech or Slovak . . . or maybe Polish?. . . ("Miroslav") . . . and most of them aren't super thrilled about being confused for German. (That whole Sudetenland/Invasion thing . . . )
Yeah, that’s not German bro.
I haven't watched all of these yet but could you do one on a fire in flight & what you could do, if anything other than getting to the ground quickly. I ask this because my battery is 4 inches from my fuel tank. It worries me. A precaution I took is to cover the positive terminal with electrical tape. Is there anything else preventative that I can do? Thank you!
I seen you start oscillating just before landing then dive right. Was the ground wind high?
As far as the accident shown in the video...it seems like he threw his reserve too quickly? It looks like the wing was just about recovered before the reserve fully inflated and it was the reserve that caused the spin?
SuburbanHobbyist I agree, the pro lem was not disabling the paraglider. I've seen lots of vids where the pilot tries to pull brakes, B lines etc on one riser, and fails due to twisted lines etc. A hook knife is a must. Had he cut a riser on one side his desent rate would have been plesent, with only minor injuries.
Thanks for surviving and to make sure these good idea's are contributed to the paramotor cages :)
Regarding drag of the airbag. Not so sure about that. I have a pap pa 125 and was never really happy with the medium size harness I bought it with. After 6 years I replaced it to a large size with airbag and been flying that for 2 years. I haven't noticed any difference in consumption. Also in paragliding airbag is not considered to cause much drag.
0:20 Oi!! We're over HERE!!
:-)
I am interested in this hobby. Is there anyone who has never had a crash or is it like driving a car? You are garunteed to have at least once accident?
NeoVoodooTech I never used a paramotor, just free flight paragliding. But yes you are going to have some "crashes" all mine were minor. Mostly during launch, and landing. Kind of depends on what you want to consider a "crash". I think of it more like sking, biking etc. You are going to fall over at some point.
I mean I've biked for years and only crashed once because someone biking next to me got too close and got me tangled, so I'd imagine a launch or landing crash at 10-20 mph would be a similar experience.
I don't fly paramotors yet but I do have some skydiving experience. A downplane is one the scariest malfunctions you can go through. Of course in skydiving you can cut away. Paramotoring not so much. So did that guy just panic and throw his reserve? It looks like the wing would've been ok
If you are in panic, throw. In panic one is not able to analyze, calculate pros an cons. That is why it is called panic. Throw with no hesitation.
An SIV training would give the pilot more confidence and prevent a panic reaction.
More experience would minimize panic reaction.
Byron was an inexperienced new pilot at the time of incident. I am certain he would react more calmly now.
Yes quite often the main wing re-inflates afterwards but that is not a reason to regret the reserve toss.
@@SCOUTaviation well said.
12:08 "They could literally cut your spine like sausage"
That visual though... Ouch.
Nice video. Sadly, a lot of "expert opinion" without actual data...like a FlatTop video but with practical information. If an airbag is so safe when will you adopt it as an option? I'd gladly relocate my Scout reserve for more safety. Also, why not just add impact foam as a standard? Maybe 3/8 inch Shocktec foam to the seat back and underside...
would it possible to detach one of your carabiners after you open your reserve to prevent down planing?
Special carabiner would be necessary.
But the real solution is to grab any line of the glider and wrap it all the way in. Then continue with the glider itself, simply collect as much of it as possible and hug it with love.
ok thanks
An airbag is not that big ( like a car steering wheel one ) . It will not have a lot of drag under the seat.
The problem is how to trigger it and the fact that it needs a 12Volt battery to operate. But may save your life.
+Mihai Voiculescu I meant a self inflatable airbag like on paragliding harness. It inflates through a air inlet right after take off and stays inflated all the time.
I was thinking of a car style airbag that will inflate under your seat if triggered by a sensor. This sensor equipped with an accelerometer will detect the "vertical" fall ( zero g) and will "explode" the airbag. The only thing is that the airbags tend to be expensive but at least will not break your legs after a vertical fall.
hahaha probably there will be only one dislike ...from Dell
It seems to me from everything I've read that you don't need to be so aggressive about your marketing, which is why so many people pick on you. If you'd relax and stop calling people names and any stuff other than yours as "junk", then it'd be more likely that most non-Dell UA-cam channels and the Facebook paramotor group would not be totally against you. Chill man. You are apparently an awesome pilot but I think there are many like me that won't even watch your videos because of your behavior. It doesn't help that you've got some personal stuff that has been in the news that are hard to be proud of... but that stuff would be ignored if you stuck to what you do best. Instead it gets dragged up every time you get aggressive.
MrOryfek and dell shows up... so much damage to the sport and the public perception of dell is so negative that it will continue to happen until you slink away or have an 'unfortunate' accident... blood on your hands are still no shame... #idiotdell
Steven Larratt I will not share my opinion on Dell although you may easily guess... Please let's not talk about him. We may talk about this paramotor as this is related to our topic and I am open to criticism or arguments.
I just want to enjoy my day and not spoil it with Dell...
Well said Scout! Give them no air and they can't spoil our airspace! Ps his comment about the mentally weak not being able to fly is rather sad and discriminatory against those with mental impairments. It's called a tandem trike, show his lack of respect knowledge and understanding of not only the sport but that of humility.
Miro have you considered a manually triggered co2 inflated air bag? Or exactly what the car mfg use that activates on impact then deflates?
CRASH ?? Oh I hope not.
they need to start making these things safer! because of the danger for those who are beginners and are afraid of bad things happening!
КТО БЫ ПЕРЕВЁЛ ЕЩЁ !!!
How to survive paramotor crash: fly a real plane
I thought the flat top only used the grumble Zone lingo
he was flying a flat top unit during his crash. you can see the third person camera angle here: ua-cam.com/video/tC2EDl4zdK0/v-deo.html