John John Florence vs. Mick Fanning - J-Bay Open 2016 Final
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2016
- Mick Fanning and John John Florence face off in the Final of the J-Bay Open 2016.
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The scores are subjective. Just great to watch these 2 do their thing.
One of the best moments in professional surfing right there. J-Bay gods were shining on Mick.
Mick Fanning showed more consistency, power, speed and fluid at the same time... and also his wave selection and longer rides gave him the victory.
Eric Franco exactly
aside from the competition can we just take a moment and appreciate how beautiful that wave is. Good lord
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9.93 was way too high for that wave imo. That is almost a 10! lol
Should have been a high 8 or low nine max.
Care to explain that?
I got no hate for Mick whatsoever (just to get that out of the way).
Imo, although Mick ripped a wave apart that was amongst the better waves of the heat; it was an fairly short/fast wave that Mick needed to chase all the way through.
Probably because he needed the chase and squeeze in some turns at the same time on this wave he could not afford (or take the risk) to do someting 'eyebrow lifting'. I'm not talking about airs, but at least someting different than Mick's repetition of precision power hacks. And i do not consider these floaters as a nice change up.
I can see though that the judges scored high on this one because Mick managed to make the 'best' out of this fast (best of the heat) wave. But considering his conservative and very predictable approach to this wave, i just can't see this as a 9.93. Again, i love Mick! But i do grow a bit weary of his predictable surfing. But that is my personal opinion.
On a sidenote: giving the advantage of a 9.93 so early in the heat while the waves are slow....that beter be justified by a damn good wave/preformance. Or you're closing the door to early for any competition.
What do you think about the 9.93?
It all depends on how high they have set the bar. If you are ok with the 8.5 Jon Jon got for what was really nothing more than a couple of check turns and a semi-decent air reverse, I have no problem scoring that wave at least a point higher. The floaters were functional more than anything else to help him get past the section. His first turn was better than JJ's and his last turn was just as good as essentially what got him a 7.5. To me it doesn't really matter whether they scored it a 9.6 or a 7.6, as long as its a point higher than JJ's wave and two points higher than mick's fist wave i don't see a problem there.
That power turn mick did at the end of the wave was just epic. It was the most powerful, critical thing either of them did. I know we have all seen it before but that doesn't change what it is. We've all seen an air reverse before. We've all seen a deep barrel before. Its still amazing.
For example - is it predictable to get barreled at pipeline? Airs are great, but they are only going to be the new thing for another couple of years. You could argue JJ was predictable for not really doing much more than a couple of air reverse's all heat. Isn't that what he always does? I'm not bullshitting - there's a guy at my local beachie who does airs like that all day long. Try and find a power surfer like mick at your local. I know JJ's air game is probably the best there is - although gabe and even julian would have something to say about that - but these airs weren't much to write home about. Its not like he did a 720 or a backflip.
I think we all get way too excited about an air - it has to be scored in context. If the air was perfectly executed with super high difficulty, it should definitely be scored highly. Sure. But an average air compared to excellent, critical, powerful on rail surfing, at a wave like Bells or J Bay? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Otherwise we'd have nothing more than air contests.
Anyway, i'm just glad you aren't a hater and actually have a real opinion. Most of the fucktards here just have their favorite guys and they bitch and moan about judging every time their guys lose, especially the Brazilians.
You make some good points, no doubt.
I think we both agree that Mick's wave deserved a high score but how high that score exactly should have been remains debatable. I think the tension, or disagreement on scores here indeed lies within this debate about air game vs. carve game. Yes i totally agree, it all the depends on the venue, context and execution. Imo, i thought the variety and fluidity of JJF's first wave is on par with Mick's high scored wave. It wasn't the best wave, but JJF made it look spectacular. And allthough he can also be predictable in his surfing, an air reverse is riskier to execute/land (especially mid wave) than a setup turn.
Mick surfs absolutely phenomenal (i can only dream to surf like that) but don't you think it has become apparent that Mick doesn't take any risks with regard to airs/progression? Maybe this is also the reason why some think JJF got robbed. And to be honest, it is also the reason why i thought a 9.93 was too high for that particular wave despite being a venue at J-Bay.
Also at Trestles, i noticed that Mick has a relatively strict style. This is by no means a problem (hell, Tom Curren never did an air in his life and he is till my nr. 1 surfer) . But will this remain enough for competition? If airs have become a standard in the repetoire, should Mick not come to terms with this if he wants to win another world title? After all, the judges do look for innovation and variation. And even more so, the crowds love innovation and considering WSL attempt to appeal to the masses we might have a future where airs are becoming increasingly more important. Are we getting comps with only airs? I hope not! And we probably won't, but still i think it will be a become a must for any pro surfer.
Oh yeah, and don't get me started on some of those Brazilians and competitive surfing (or sport in general)... I cannot bare another fist claim from De Souza after an average wave :P
@@MrBreakthompson This whole thread was a good read. Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate the nuanced dissection of competition surf here
Awesome coverage again and again WSL! Mad thanks
Not only was it Australia vs North Shore in the ocean, but it sounded like a similar battle from the same regions was happening in the commentary box.. Anyway... super cool and absolutely amazing surfing by both world champs, my eyes that have been watching would like to thank you both for the stoke..
G’day and Mahalo 🤙❤️
John John exected great on that 8.5 but quality wise, Mick's wave provided better opportunities and bigger steeper sections with better rythme
What a great battle! Epic surfing by two legends!
@wsl PLEASE start allowing us to watch replays of the whole day! as it is now your contest playlists are unwatchable (heat recaps mixed with highlights = constantly watching same clips repeatedly.) also, there is no good way to watch a day of the contest back without spoilers. for J Bay it starts at 10:30 pm (not easy to watch live) for us in CA and I wish I could have watched this finals day without first thing upon logging on seeing who wins. I really don't like the way you aren't even putting up whole heat replays anymore. please just but the whole day straight up!
Abolutely! Couldnt say it better.
9.93? More Ike 8.8-9.1. He did the same maneuvers the whole heat. They gave him at 7.7 for that last ride. JJF air reverse at the closeout was insane! Super critical!
3 floaters to 7.7 - if was Medina.. Ross Williams would say, before the score - floaters are not so critical, judges generally dont like this... everything in perfect sync
Grandes actuaciones de dos grandes representantes mundiales de tabla de todo el orbe
Mick deserved to win, not by as much as the judges gave to be honest. But he had the better waves
Damn, what a fun looking fight
My favorite surfer mick fanning 🤙🏻
WSL, you need to put information of the boards and even the shaper. would be incredible.
Otavio Gonçalves Great idea, like when they show professional fighter stats... They probably don't because then it would be free advertising for the Shapers and for the different brands and they would want to be paid by those brands because now many people watch these videos and go get advertising and sales because of it no wonder cut of the sales.
Mick ripped it fresh from about 3:02 to 4:20
I'm not a surfer and don't really know anything about surfing but I agree with all the other comments and think that John John should have won
cameron smith thats why you're a kook
so many newbies think airs are the main part of surfing. honestly its just a single part and honestly beautiful carving is way more impressive to watch imo
Never seen an aerial 360'before JJ AWESOME.
Never knew surfing was a competition. Cool
So much heat towards Mick. Air reverses are lame
Surfa muito o mick
9.93 was a bit high but that wave was a 10 in itself and mick ripped it with flow and big turns
amazing final :D
Absolutely insane heat
Awesomeness yes
To be honest, no surfer should get over an 8 at jbay cause that wave is so easy to ride. A 10 would prolly be multiple barrels, and an 360 air at the end
9.9 was more like a 9
Mick great style & power moves jjf badass spray and aerials
Double J got fucking robbed!
1:45 that was a 9.93 no that mick's wave
Feel like these videos should be edited thus: wave to score commentary, wave to score commentary.
I think John should have got this win. He was more technical with higher risk maneuvers. Mick had some good rides, but I just don’t think he out-surfed John due to the length of the ride. When I’m in the lineup, the guy going above the lip and landing airs wins the day. That guy grabs everybody’s attention. Who can’t do a carve?
How the fuck does JJ hit a lip that late and pull it??
I guess that’s why he’s world champ and I’m still trying to get my head around it haha
What the fuck is with all the mick fanning haters. Do you guys even surf?
Iconic
JJ surf style!!!!
i know that fanning is amazing fast and precise and powerful, but there is no way he deserved some of the scores here. john was on fire and doing all the criteria--including innovative maneunvers and combination of maneuvers. mick could have sat out there on his board and chatted to someone on his phone and he would have won this one-it was a done deal before it started.
Seloco esse 7.77 do mick não tem como... Ele mandou duas meias rasgadas pra frente e dps dois floaters vei kkkkkkkk
No way thats a 9.93. Love Mick but glad the judging caught up to JJF and Felipe.
Good as it gets
No one should score over a 9 with safe surfing
I’m sick of listening to the announcers defending it..
I don't consider that safe surfing, and I get that wave selection counted (and still counts) a lot to score. But I got the feeling that a 9.93 on that wave, just because it was bigger, is a bit much... Maybe it's time to reconsider this wave selection factor. I don't know exactly how, because in places like Teahupoo I can see why getting a bigger wave is more valuable, because of the risk and difficulty, but not much in here. I don't know...
So an air is mandatory for a high score? Plus just cause they make it look easy and safe doesn’t mean it actually is. If you saw somebody pulling those same maneuvers as well as mick in person you would shit your pants.
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lol at that dictionary comment
regardless of mickey history once again super wsl judged his waves, doi floters by and take a note almost 10?
they sould called l it even
Need some younger judges who appreciate innovation and creativity in surfing. Mick produced very similar-looking waves, they don't feel memorable to me. But I'm going to remember the wave of JJF's with an air going into two more great turns afterwards! A mis-judged heat in my opinion.
3- 360s and he lost. Who was judging? Micks mom?
Spot ON!!!
Stand up for GOOD maybe your sports is ballet. that's why you don't have any idea about surfing. your a kook..
three weak ass ground 360s vs some of the best power carves found on the planet? You’re lost. Those 3’s can be landed by any Kook in Huntington Beach. Find one who can lace a wave like Fanning just did.
well done mick well deserved
Florence eres el mejor
Florence.
Hello
Hilarious that people think JJ should have won. You need more than small airs to win a final.
Agreed. Far superior wave selection by Mick
You guys are retarded John John had no time to perform those airs the only reason fanning won cuz he's all shook up from last year and they felt sorry
Agreed dude, peopel hate mick so much
I agree.
Power surfing is everything.
Roubaram de novo e qual a desculpa dessa vez!!!nao teve grau de dificuldade nas manobras do Fanning só velocidade enquanto John surfou no limite dessas ondas.caralho ta parecendo ufc essa merda.
A eleição de ondas de Fanning foi melhor, John John só surfou marola
JJF should've won.. His moves were way more difficult and technical
Definitely more technical but it's a point break, not a short beach break. The judges score more off of hard carves, flow, and technicality. While jjf was more technical mick has more power speed and flow
I don't think Jon Jon is more technical, exactly. He lays on his back foot more on a lot of his top turns which makes them beautiful and often critical, but that doesn't make him more technical - mick tends to blow the fins with more control. Mick's rail game is as technical as it gets. He just makes it all look so easy that people think he isn't trying, its his technique (balance and body position) that does that. If you just watch his board move without looking at his body its crazy how well he surfs, the way he generates speed through his turns, the variety and flow between turns, how much control he has when doing critical maneuvers. You have to look beyond how much someone throws their arms around.
All that being said JJ's air game is amazing and i'd say they are both about equal in the barrel, but if anything Mick is the more technical surfer on rail.
what a heat
🙂
Legauuuu
how the hell did jj get an 8.5 on his 360 ariel wave? granted he didn't make a lot of cuts but I did cut and landed a trick 99% of pros don't even attempt. that was bullshit
Power Surfing Winzzz
Pump pump float, pump pump float cutty, pump float 9.93 It was given to him as reward for the shark incident. Blakey even made reference to that. Scripted.
Best wave of the heat, best turns of the heat, best score of the heat.
Micks turns are on par🤙 John John carved like a little kid. The airs are cool, but.... rail game suffering. Looked like a kid surfing against a local ripper at his home break! Well scored and congrats to the power hacker! Mick harnessed way more power out of that wave than John John floating around like a butterfly with tap cutties.
you like floaters babt?
WOW... 9.93... Overscored a little? lol JJF ROBBED again!
But they robbed the storm a little more than from JJ - they manage to put emotion in the contest... chop here - add there... you CAN script this!
Yeah the 993 was a bit high. But Mick still won.
if Mick gets a 9 instead of a 10, then John wins...Mick always gets the score because Ripcurl pays off some of the judges. Kelly got robbed of a title when Mick got overscored at Pipe twice (against CJ and Yadin). I don't buy Ripcurl products anymore.
An Elightented One not only ripcurl... all the sponsons has a share in the dirty deal. Of course of different sizes. Brazilian market is a fly poo. did you see what happened in JJ x Medina in teahupoo semis 2016?
So you guys don't believe we went to the moon then?
9.93 jesus christ
Euamorsurf
One year later, JBay apologizes to Mick Fanning
No offense to Mick who's certainly a good surfer, but I find myself fast-forwarding through his waves and pausing to watch JJF's waves. Fanning surfs like a machine with his head and neck jetting out a foot beyond his board while he does turn after turn with a few heavy-footed floaters in between. In contrast, Florence looks relaxed and more creative, making him more fun (and impressive) to watch. If you're counting turns, then Mick won. If you're counting athleticism and style, then it's gotta go to Florence.
Totally disagree. Mick’s waves were also bigger. Mick uses the whole wave so much better and much more power
Jjf got robbed
mick was a legend no doubt 🤙🏻
Still a legend 😂
JJF robbeddddddddddddddd
Breno Franco Cry baby
This video is still popular? 3 footers? Seriously ?
i'm not much of a mick fanning fan, i think he's boring, the 9.93 was to high, but.... JJF's waves were terrible and his airs were ugly, so mick won.....the scary thing is, JJF was off, and he still almost won, that kid is on another level
i thought jjf would have won. but honestly i could care less. also i dont like jjf. lol
John John Florence was better
JJF Robbed!!!!!!!!!
Mick legend
robbed horribly!!!
Mick overscored like usual
9,93, it's a joke men
Mick's an amazing surfer and his carves are probably the best in the game, but he has no creativity and ingenuity. Every wave is the same from this guy. I don't think anyone that can't do an air in competition should win an event where airs are part of the repertoire. Once again, JJF is blasted in the a$$.
that is so true, its almost as if mick holds back from trying to do big maneuverers and plays it safe just to finish a wave witout cockups because thats how judges nowadays give good scores he doesnt take the risk of attempting a big trick, i mean i havent seen the guy even attempt a trick that wasnt a roundhouse, floater or snap in a couple years. MICK is an amazing surfer but he needs to vary it up abit its just boring
This whole idea behind airs being THE deciding factor is stupid - its only one part of surfing. So are barrels, so are turns. People like you want professional surfing to be an air competition. They exist if you want, go watch them.
This is a walling reef break, and mick has a better rail game than JJ. At pipe, barrels matter. At Rio, airs matter. What you are effectively saying is the only thing that matters are airs. Did JJ get a super deep barrell? No? But how can he win a competition because tube riding is part of surfing isn't it?
You guys need to realize that turns are the core of surfing - its what surfing is to 99% of actual surfers on the planet. That is what mick does arguably better than anyone else alive. Why wouldn't he be scored well for surfing so well at a wave like this? That's like saying you shouldn't win pipe without airs - its about the fucking barrel.
p.s. mick can and has done airs in comp. So what? Wilko didn't throw an air at snapper, or bells. So he shouldn't have won then? Who gives a fuck about the best backhand surfing we've seen since Occy. Give it to Julian or JJF for the air reverse we've all seen a million times. how many airs to gabe throw at cloudbreak? None? Fuck him! Who cares about the epic tube riding.
But JJF does throw crazy hacks and wraps, in fact he might have one of the craziest fs cutbacks out there right now. His ride at 5:50 proves that. Plus throwing airs at a venue that most don't think of trying should be a heighten insight on how progressive and gnarly his lines were.
Mick's turns were unreal
jjf robbed!
How?, in the carpark cause certainly not in the water. Mick clearly won . I even tried overscoring jjf . Mick still won.
Jessie, don't you know dude, if your favorite guy loses, he got robbed. That's how it works here.
JJF > OTHER GUYS
John John Won! Mick can't do airs!!!
What.kinda.idiot.would,say.Mick.Fanning.won.that????????Those.judges.should.be.FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!