This plugin is really great. I've tried it with lots of headphones (beyerdynamic dt 770, 990, 1770, sennheiser 650, audio-technica m50x, ollo audio S4X) and it always does the job. The job is to understand how the sounds work.
Agreed. I got the settings to sound like my car and they sound more accurate for a car test than any selections in VSX. Oddly I am still using VSX headphones, because my V-Modas hurt to wear.
@@ST-fl5fy VSX just had an update in November/December that made me abandon Real Phones. Specifically Mike Dean's car,. It has more accurate bass representation for me than Real Phones. Real Phones is due for an update though, according to the creator. TAYQuestion, I tuned it until I couldn't distinguish between my car and my headphones. But there is one inability RealPhones has so far, which is to get that warmth dimensionality that is usually only available through speakers. VSX was able to replicate closely enough in their latest update that allowed me to get a better mix than I did using Real Phones, although Real Phones previously beat VSX prior to VSX's update.
I have Waves NX. My problem with it is that It leads me to hear something different when I'm mixing than when I'm listening music in any other situation. I can take my headphones anywhere and listen to music on them and learn my own headphones. I'm not able to use this simulation everywhere I go. Also I find that good mixes sound good on headphones, even if the crosstalk is missing. I just keep in mind that things sound extra wide on headphones and centered information seems a little quieter. So I jump back and forth between stereo and mono to check my balance between mid and side. However, I'm currently on a trial of sonarworks and I am liking that. It introduces the same issue where I can't learn my headphones on the go, but it seems to make it waaaaay easier for me to locate problem frequencies.
You can’t learn monitors while you’re on the go either. However, you can bounce songs with the Sonarworks plugin enabled to listen back to later on your headphones. Just a thought.
You can use Audiohijack or something similar to listen music with waves nx. I use it with Abbeyroad Studio 3 and Ocean way Nashville. Good albums sounds very good with it. No so good albums sound bad… I find it very usefull for mixing.
I do like the head tracker in NX. I bought a webcam and have it running with NX. Its amazing when you move your head and the room adjusts with you. No special equipment, just a webcam and NX
I've been using Sienna now, mainly for the headphone correction on my Sennies and i'm amazed with how well the decisons made on the headphones are translating to my studio. It's enabled me to prepare things in the evening at home with confidence. I don't have to change everything I did at home when I do get to the studio and I can be way more efficient with my time while i'm there because I've already got started on what I need to work on. Bit of a game changer imo.
This subject is a bit of a minefield but your video is truly helpful. I use headphones exclusively due to space restrictions etc. So I’m looking for this kinda thing…thanks soooo much for this Streaky 👍
I have been demo'ing Realphones (in case people don't know, their demo policy is great - full function, 41 days, and can be re-started every 6 months PLUS you can demo the profiles for the headphones you use - it'll also work with Sonarworks and VSX). As cool as the generic, idealized, studio/speaker emulation is, what I'd love if someone like Sonaworks would have this and work with the measurement it takes of your room and apply that to your headphones. In other words, I want my headphones not to sound like NS10's at Abbey Road, I want my headphones to sound like MY speakers in MY room so when I have to mix on cans I am hearing what I'd hear when I take them off and fire up the speakers. Still finding it useful though.
I do use GoodHeartz's CanOpener, I find it great, even though it could be more realistic, it doesn't colour the sound much ! I think that putting up an eq correction like sonarworks and then add a crossfeed software is the best alternative to get a really good and loyal flat sound spectrum if you can't have a proper room or decent speakers to mix & master ! A really good pair of headphones is required though.
I've tried CanOpener but In my case i feel like it's too muddy and boomy i can't make it work for me, i've tried different settings but the kick especially sound painfull, can you share what settings you are using?
Awesome plugin. I myself have the SPL Phonitor mini and I love it. It's simplicity is what gets me. Like you stated in the video it gives a limited sound environment to get used to so your forced to adapt and make due which gets the job done for me. Too many options and variables is not always good in my opinion.
The important thing with mixing on headphones is that it translates. It doesn’t matter exactly what it sounds like in the headphones, you just have to adapt and know how to make it sound good. No matter where you listen. I use the Sony 7506 they are cheap, so worth trying. For me, they work. I can actually feel the low end in them which is something I can’t do on other headphones. If you mix on headphones and then go to your speakers and notice there are a lot of problems. Go back to your headphones and make sure you can still hear those problems. If you can’t you should try a different pair of headphones. -Andrew Scheps
The curve from SonarWorks does pretty well on the 7506’s to smooth the bass bump and take it deeper. I love mine (they're on their fourth set of earpads!) but more for tracking or fun listening because they're tuned for voice broadcast use (TV/radio) rather than music.
yea the reason it have to translate is because most of these samples we buy or download are already process .its not like bak in the days.everything is gettin free and easy now
Streaky, Real phone have released version 2.0, I'd say this is a huge improvement. Mike be worth a follow up video. There's a free 41 day fully featured demo version available.
I use Waves Abbey Road. I put it on periodically through the mix and full on when mastering. First in the mastering chain works best, but disabled in final mix. It helps me hear details that might have escaped like the over present cowbell or low end that crept up.
I use $7500 HiFiMan Susvara, $2500 Bryston Headphone amp, $2k Lynx converter. Great for mixing. To be honest, when final mastering, the sub sounds clearer on monitors.
@@Streaky_com I have to say they are pretty great (my room isn't great... so I jumped in to try them out when they were released, and got better with new update... highly recommend trying them at least especially to those without proper room and speakers.... I am a fan of sonarworks too and that helps me on my speakers big time, but been leaning more and more on the VSX... yes some rooms/settings sound weird, but most to my ears are very useful and don't feel like headphones and my mixes and masters (thanks to your awesome course) are going down great with clients!!
Realphones is really good value. It really does help create better mixes that translate better - but obviously no replacement for proper speakers in a treated room. Streakys idea to leave it on one setting is exactly right.
I like simple crossfeed, like Can Opener instead of all that over the top room simulation... Have some on speakers to add party of my translation process.... But i love mixing on really good headphones, EQ'd the Harmon with crossfeed for the majority of the process.... I don't do mastering though.. maybe bedroom "mastering" that isn't meant to replace the real thing.
So many people come at this with a snobbish bias. I produce using headphones, headphones with Dsoniq and Waves Cla and speakers. I get good results with all. If it works for you great, if not great.
I have the old Focusrite VRM (Virtual reference monitoring) which does some of the same things. Really good tip to just find one setting you like, because thats the thing it just confused me too much
akg K701/702 are the best mixing and mastering headphones in my opinion, beautiful imaging, very clean bass, crisp highs, and i can wear them forever. mixes sound very good on all systems immediately, and they are incredibly cheap since they moved the production from austria to china
@@ST-fl5fy they are so similar, that it maybe depends more on looks and features, the 702 have a removable 3,5mm stereo plug while the 701 has a nonremovable 6,3mm plug, i use the 701 with my laptop and the 702 for my drummodule or interfaces. 701 is white and 702 is black ;)
goodhertz canopener no eq just the crosstalk stuff at 60° and choose 1 of 3 realism modes i dont wanna miss it i use 3 headpones and cycle them ... 701s for pads and space ndh20s for lowend 660s and porta pros for whole mix and no focus stuff
So I have that and I turn it on and my music sounds better with it on. And when I turn it off it doesn’t sound as good. What is happening? On, I mix sounds great, turn it off doesn’t. Isn’t it supposed to let you hear how your mix really sounds?
I've heard good things about Toneboosters Morphit headphone plugin, its also dirt cheap compared to anything else on the market. Perhaps you could do a review sometime?.. Much respect.
Streaky's right here :) unless you spend a lot on monitors+treatment it's kind of a fight hard to win. I spent 5k+ on monitors/treatment/Sonarworks, and still I have to use Abbey Road Studio plugin to check my mixes when are done, just to make sure there are not unwanted masking frequencies obstructing what I heard on the monitors.
Acustica Audio Sienna, Soundworks soundid reference, realphones.....quite a few to choose. Settled with minimalist sound id for flat freq correction only, thus chopping away room simulation.
Realphones is a good tool for 40€ (I found a coupon on top of a sale). However, there is a problem they refuse to acknowledge. The VST is fine, but the standalone version cuts out for half a second every few minutes. The devs blame a conflict with whatever audio driver you're using, instead of admitting that it's their software that's the problem. The bug is still in the latest update.
@@ajwadakter7326 i mean i got some decent monitors overall personally I think i have too many output options, but I was just explaining the two headphones i like using for mixing/monitoring. Not really big on mastering on headphones overall
Good old fashioned 2.0 stereophonic is of course great. But apparently this thing cannot simulate 3.0, 4.0, 4.1, 5.1 and above surround sound matrices, correct? Ouch....
Sorry for the random question, but I have to ask… Do you know any Rockwool blankets that are 215kg in density or at least close to that? I want to get the portable sound booth rectangular poles that connect together and use rockwool or wool blankets over it so I can record vocals without black foam
Hi Streaky, great video, thank you! You mentioned the Sennheiser HD850 as one of your favorites. I've been using the Sennheiser HD650 for years and I love them. Do you also look at the HD650 favorably, or is there such a huge difference (in your experience) between the two, that I should look into making an upgrade to the HD850?
If you are ok on 650 why change 600 is more flat and are the one most popular i have 650 but i like audio technica ath-m50x have them for long time know how things sound on them.
BS. 850 doesn't even exist. Most actual pros would use 600/650 if using a set of open Sennheiser for mixing. If you want to spend more, look for sth with Tesla drivers. Otherwise check out the sonarworks blog and their reviews, they did more expensive Sennies as well, but nothing from that brand comes out of the box as linear as the 600/650. If you're in the US, check out the massdrop 6xx. Not exactly the same as 650, but close and great value. It's more important to simply learn your chosen set and stick with it.
I remember trying Sonorworks on the HD-650's a while back, but I ended not using it, the reason being it made everything sound really good, so it kind of confused me - as a mixer isn't it the job to get everything sounding great? I'm using a kind of 80/20 thing these days with the cans being the 20, and I just feel it's simpler without correction software, for me - I still might come back to it though
Hi Streaky! I see that there is no Sennheiser HD850 in the USA, just an HD800 (open back) and HD820 (closed back). I generally lean towards open-back for critical listening, but curious to know what your preference is between the two models in this case?
For WAV and that includes space for everything including IRSC, Currently demoing Wavelab Elements but just reaching out to the pro’s to see what you think 🤔 thanks Streaky.
I use Studio 3. Its good to check your mix on the other speakers that are in there. But i found that when automating tracks like the bass. Its not accurate. I think its because the EQ adjustment changes the phase. It would be better if they had a linear phase feature. But its really good to check your low end when referencing. Even just using headphones alone. Its a great way to match your low end when using references. I use cheap audio technica. They work great with sonnarworkx.
I use this kind of software less and less because simply, when I mix, I'm jumping from speakers to headphones and i forget to bypass the headphone correction when I listen on speakers and I forget to bypass the the speaker correction when i listen on headphones!!! I just don't have time to press one more button than I absolutely need to! I wish that this kind of software could just be on a dsp chip inside the monitor controller! Do you want to design a new monitor controller with me?
If you can setup the headphones to use a submix in your DAW or audio program and then apply the plugin to the submix you'll get around the problem of forgetting to disable it. Just an idea. But designing that monitor controller sounds like an awesome idea! I can score the music for our online advertisment :D
Mastering engineer Glenn Schick only mixes ITB and on audeze cans through a top notch DAC using acustica audio sienna. You should give sienna a go. It definitely helped me a lot. I tried the waves stuff, a few others like realphones and have reference from sonarworks. They all suck and translate super bad compared to sienna. Streaky you should give it a go.. Game changer for me personally..
I must admit, I was in a position to purchase the combination of SPL Phonitor 2 and Audeze LCD-X.....I personally have found that combination as close to monitors, as I've ever been able to get...I know it's expensive, but I was always told, spend your money on what you listen with first....That's how I justified it to myself anyway :-)
I have h650 and sonarworks, but these headphones are so flat that i stoped using the software al together. It good to know though at witch point they have problems
Can realphones work for just playback? I have an amp the was designed for headphone mastering and has some nice features, like crossfeed, etc. hafler ha-75 but its been discontinued. i dont do studio work and just listen to music. One day I will need a replacement. Phonitor is likely but the Hafler is tube hybrid based and SPL not so much. Would be nice to no be dependent on a specific hardware chain.
In music reproduction they rarely tow the speakers in much to create a large stereo image. Why would mastering be any different? Thanks, a music enjoyer/nerd
Interesting you recommend LCD-Xs: I’ve heard stellar things about them and given I’m renting a flat treating rooms isn’t really practical, so headphones have long been my preferred reference (Sennheiser Momentum 2.0s currently). Just need to find £1200 or so!
Headphones are more of a reference thing for me. If the mix is already loud and doesn't kill my ears on the headphones., I got the overall balance right. Headphones are not good for your ears, it's all about that direct pressure. It's very easy to go too loud, and your next problem is adjusting your ears for listening on speakers. Not too loud, yeah sure...composition? sure. Mixdown? Hellll no. It would take you years to learn the difference and it will never be what you need it to be. Dont fool yourself, or blindly follow other people's advice. Instead of 1000 bucks for h-phones., buy a single Auratone or similar, and mixdown in mono!. Without the mono check you will never be sure-> Phase issues! Or build one yourself from a 5" 'full-range' car speaker! If it sounds good on that, watch what happens on your monitors or headphones-> Clarity!....magic. It will show you how f.e. bass can totally destroy your song, because the focus points were wrong from the start. You lose clarity in a flash and your brain gets fried from repeating the same mistakes. Do it, it will radically change your perspective!
Nice video! I've tested many of this software with my Lcd X , Sw4, waves, can opener, the one on the video, but the one that gave me the most natural response and good translation is the Sienna. Maybe you can check it out.
You can read our minds, just when we all want to ask is there a vst alternative to what spl did (but way too expensive XD) you provide the answer xd also, the software can be handy but you need to first make a golden setting and learn that as you should learn your speakers or headphones by staying with that setting so you can make up for the differences. Lol you again start saying the same when I have typed it 😂 useless comment of mine! Also, maybe borrow a review unit of the audio Technica Ath-r70x? it's 300, so mid budget. If you like it it could become a good video to help people out with the right choice. I have them they're fucking good to my ears, especially for mastering. And then you could also compare it to your audeze's. You have quality content! 🙏✌️🤍
This is a curious video, I am going to show your headphone recommendation to Andrew Scheps (mixing with a Sony 7506 90€ headphones for 20 years and getting things like Grammys in the way ... ) who knows maybe he could learn some from you ...
"I really like Sennheiser 850, they're amazing, it's really light weight..." Streaky, you should check out the 850S, it's "even better than the real thing" :)
@@patrickalphenaar I know 850 does not exist, I'm sure Streaky meant 800. I intended my comment as a joke - my bad, it went right over everyone's head :)
Your Headphones should Sound AS Close AS possible to the Monitors your using , because otherwise you will Mix Something wont Sound the was you hear IT in your Headphones The biggest question to me i didnt found an answer and can only answer myself is This If i sit in the perfect room so Studio enviroment and im mixing on the best possible eauipment and akustic Situation , will my Mix Sound that good in a non acustic treated Situation Will IT Sound worst because im mixing my Sound in a perfect room , or will IT Sound better because i do ? If im mixing in a room with barely no reflections and frequency issues , i will Not mix thinking about These issues I will Mix on the Clean issues of the Sound itself Here i will surely solve some issues i can notice right away and i will have a good Mix , maybe they best Mix possible But then when i playback my music in a living room on typical good or Bad Hifi Setup , then many Things will appear i didnt Heard while mixing My result and experience is that i luckily Mixed my music good IT somehow Sounds way better on Standard Hifi Equipment than in my Monitors ITS Not perfect but ITS good I think in the end you maybe have to compromise your Mix to some different situations , to get the best possible result in every enviroment I would Always recommend keeping the Studio Version saved and named that you can Play Back in Studios and of course in the end having reference to the changed compromise My Brother Said i have got a Bad acustic Situation But with my Research ITS Not too Bad My Monitors is more than 2 Meters from Back Wall what eliminates some troubles right away They are Standing left and right 2cm from a wall ( nit exactly the Same Material , ITS Stone Wall and Other side Stone with 40 percent of a built Wall with accustik treatment so almost the Same ) I notice some Bass overpowering on a listen Spot , so i will Check in that . Surprisingly i didnt got Bass Problems in any of my Mixes yet Maybe Someone can Tell me If my thoughts about compromising the Mix is right , and maybe also about how mixing in a perfect room affects the playback in a usual Standard listen room Like a kitchen or a Car
I think the way how thoese Software for headphones are is pure rubbish, #1 is based most of those in IRs from rooms, and any room has issues, then in the Equation, they do not measure the headphone amp, and that alone can make your headphone sound like other headphones and very different....all these is a broken chain....
All headphone software that try to emulate a room is BS. Honestly try to accomplish a full mix from start to finish on any of them and come back with your result. You will be worse off. The only headphone software that will improve your result is sonarworks
This plugin is really great. I've tried it with lots of headphones (beyerdynamic dt 770, 990, 1770, sennheiser 650, audio-technica m50x, ollo audio S4X) and it always does the job. The job is to understand how the sounds work.
Agreed. I got the settings to sound like my car and they sound more accurate for a car test than any selections in VSX. Oddly I am still using VSX headphones, because my V-Modas hurt to wear.
@@quantumimmortal1337 how did you create your car sound?
@@ST-fl5fy VSX just had an update in November/December that made me abandon Real Phones. Specifically Mike Dean's car,. It has more accurate bass representation for me than Real Phones. Real Phones is due for an update though, according to the creator.
TAYQuestion, I tuned it until I couldn't distinguish between my car and my headphones. But there is one inability RealPhones has so far, which is to get that warmth dimensionality that is usually only available through speakers. VSX was able to replicate closely enough in their latest update that allowed me to get a better mix than I did using Real Phones, although Real Phones previously beat VSX prior to VSX's update.
I’ve used the same headphones for an eternity and learnt how they sound and how to work with them to translate good.
wich one please ? here I have hd600, sony7506, dt770 ..........
This is what I was looking for as I mix on my headphones I really needed this one ❤️ thanks young man 😉
I have Waves NX. My problem with it is that It leads me to hear something different when I'm mixing than when I'm listening music in any other situation. I can take my headphones anywhere and listen to music on them and learn my own headphones. I'm not able to use this simulation everywhere I go.
Also I find that good mixes sound good on headphones, even if the crosstalk is missing.
I just keep in mind that things sound extra wide on headphones and centered information seems a little quieter. So I jump back and forth between stereo and mono to check my balance between mid and side.
However, I'm currently on a trial of sonarworks and I am liking that. It introduces the same issue where I can't learn my headphones on the go, but it seems to make it waaaaay easier for me to locate problem frequencies.
You can’t learn monitors while you’re on the go either. However, you can bounce songs with the Sonarworks plugin enabled to listen back to later on your headphones. Just a thought.
I tried sonarworks I ended up not using it.
You can use Audiohijack or something similar to listen music with waves nx. I use it with Abbeyroad Studio 3 and Ocean way Nashville. Good albums sounds very good with it. No so good albums sound bad… I find it very usefull for mixing.
I do like the head tracker in NX. I bought a webcam and have it running with NX. Its amazing when you move your head and the room adjusts with you. No special equipment, just a webcam and NX
@@drkembr yes, and it’s even better with the bluetooth headtracker
I've been using Sienna now, mainly for the headphone correction on my Sennies and i'm amazed with how well the decisons made on the headphones are translating to my studio. It's enabled me to prepare things in the evening at home with confidence. I don't have to change everything I did at home when I do get to the studio and I can be way more efficient with my time while i'm there because I've already got started on what I need to work on. Bit of a game changer imo.
Sienna is a game changer. And the sheer amount of supported headphones is amazing..
So do you use them for frequency fix and mix? Then when done check them on Siennas different references?
This subject is a bit of a minefield but your video is truly helpful. I use headphones exclusively due to space restrictions etc. So I’m looking for this kinda thing…thanks soooo much for this Streaky 👍
I have been demo'ing Realphones (in case people don't know, their demo policy is great - full function, 41 days, and can be re-started every 6 months PLUS you can demo the profiles for the headphones you use - it'll also work with Sonarworks and VSX). As cool as the generic, idealized, studio/speaker emulation is, what I'd love if someone like Sonaworks would have this and work with the measurement it takes of your room and apply that to your headphones. In other words, I want my headphones not to sound like NS10's at Abbey Road, I want my headphones to sound like MY speakers in MY room so when I have to mix on cans I am hearing what I'd hear when I take them off and fire up the speakers. Still finding it useful though.
I do use GoodHeartz's CanOpener, I find it great, even though it could be more realistic, it doesn't colour the sound much ! I think that putting up an eq correction like sonarworks and then add a crossfeed software is the best alternative to get a really good and loyal flat sound spectrum if you can't have a proper room or decent speakers to mix & master ! A really good pair of headphones is required though.
CanOpener Studio 3? Sonarworks SoundID Ref + Can Opener on master channels end is what I use now.
@@VKJ85 This is exactly what I do too, and it has been great so far !
If you’r on a mac you can use menuBus (free) and make a plugin chain systemwide👌🏻
I've tried CanOpener but In my case i feel like it's too muddy and boomy i can't make it work for me, i've tried different settings but the kick especially sound painfull, can you share what settings you are using?
@@marcusbornold didn't know about that, will check that out, thanks a lot !
Awesome plugin. I myself have the SPL Phonitor mini and I love it. It's simplicity is what gets me. Like you stated in the video it gives a limited sound environment to get used to so your forced to adapt and make due which gets the job done for me. Too many options and variables is not always good in my opinion.
Any updates on the 50k giveaway?
Thanks for answering my question Streaky! So helpful to me. Your channel provides so much value!! I'm a huge Streaky fan!! :)
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The important thing with mixing on headphones is that it translates. It doesn’t matter exactly what it sounds like in the headphones, you just have to adapt and know how to make it sound good. No matter where you listen.
I use the Sony 7506 they are cheap, so worth trying. For me, they work. I can actually feel the low end in them which is something I can’t do on other headphones.
If you mix on headphones and then go to your speakers and notice there are a lot of problems. Go back to your headphones and make sure you can still hear those problems. If you can’t you should try a different pair of headphones.
-Andrew Scheps
The curve from SonarWorks does pretty well on the 7506’s to smooth the bass bump and take it deeper. I love mine (they're on their fourth set of earpads!) but more for tracking or fun listening because they're tuned for voice broadcast use (TV/radio) rather than music.
yea the reason it have to translate is because most of these samples we buy or download are already process .its not like bak in the days.everything is gettin free and easy now
7506 have top end lowend
so sad they are so shouty
Streaky, Real phone have released version 2.0, I'd say this is a huge improvement. Mike be worth a follow up video. There's a free 41 day fully featured demo version available.
I use Waves Abbey Road. I put it on periodically through the mix and full on when mastering. First in the mastering chain works best, but disabled in final mix. It helps me hear details that might have escaped like the over present cowbell or low end that crept up.
I use $7500 HiFiMan Susvara, $2500 Bryston Headphone amp, $2k Lynx converter.
Great for mixing.
To be honest, when final mastering, the sub sounds clearer on monitors.
Focusrite had that technology years ago. I loved it. Then they discontinued the product. What a shame.
I'm sure you've been asked, but thoughts on Slates VSX headphone system? Have you tried it?
Not been sent them
@@Streaky_com fair enough man. Be interested in your opinion if you can get a pair.
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@@Streaky_com I have to say they are pretty great (my room isn't great... so I jumped in to try them out when they were released, and got better with new update... highly recommend trying them at least especially to those without proper room and speakers.... I am a fan of sonarworks too and that helps me on my speakers big time, but been leaning more and more on the VSX... yes some rooms/settings sound weird, but most to my ears are very useful and don't feel like headphones and my mixes and masters (thanks to your awesome course) are going down great with clients!!
and also, super important to stick to one room/setting as much as possible like you said - for me is the archon mids (ATC) that is my baseline.
Thanks for the heads up on SPL Phonitor! Getting one right now!
Happy Sienna user here, personally feel that it’s just the best of best out there. Acústica Audio just nailed there.
Realphones is really good value. It really does help create better mixes that translate better - but obviously no replacement for proper speakers in a treated room. Streakys idea to leave it on one setting is exactly right.
I like simple crossfeed, like Can Opener instead of all that over the top room simulation... Have some on speakers to add party of my translation process.... But i love mixing on really good headphones, EQ'd the Harmon with crossfeed for the majority of the process.... I don't do mastering though.. maybe bedroom "mastering" that isn't meant to replace the real thing.
So many people come at this with a snobbish bias. I produce using headphones, headphones with Dsoniq and Waves Cla and speakers. I get good results with all. If it works for you great, if not great.
I have the old Focusrite VRM (Virtual reference monitoring) which does some of the same things. Really good tip to just find one setting you like, because thats the thing it just confused me too much
akg K701/702 are the best mixing and mastering headphones in my opinion, beautiful imaging, very clean bass, crisp highs, and i can wear them forever. mixes sound very good on all systems immediately, and they are incredibly cheap since they moved the production from austria to china
650s by far the best
@@rallzam better than hd600 for you ?
@@ChrisBessy 600 and 650 are to 99% same just the 650s are a bit flatter (frequency response) so the 650s are a little bit better.
So what’s the choice 701 or 702?
@@ST-fl5fy they are so similar, that it maybe depends more on looks and features, the 702 have a removable 3,5mm stereo plug while the 701 has a nonremovable 6,3mm plug, i use the 701 with my laptop and the 702 for my drummodule or interfaces. 701 is white and 702 is black ;)
goodhertz canopener
no eq just the crosstalk stuff at 60° and choose 1 of 3 realism modes
i dont wanna miss it
i use 3 headpones and cycle them ...
701s for pads and space
ndh20s for lowend
660s and porta pros for whole mix and no focus stuff
I went from Pmc IB1 with Hypex and Prism to Hd 600 and sonarworks and Canopener.
The headphone setup has been fsntastic.
So I have that and I turn it on and my music sounds better with it on. And when I turn it off it doesn’t sound as good. What is happening? On, I mix sounds great, turn it off doesn’t. Isn’t it supposed to let you hear how your mix really sounds?
I've heard good things about Toneboosters Morphit headphone plugin, its also dirt cheap compared to anything else on the market. Perhaps you could do a review sometime?.. Much respect.
I use TB Isone and Morphit, both work pretty good for mixing, judging mix element levels in Isone works ok, but not perfect
It's very important to mention Slate Digital VSX headphones. Can use them for mixing and mastering.
Streaky's right here :) unless you spend a lot on monitors+treatment it's kind of a fight hard to win.
I spent 5k+ on monitors/treatment/Sonarworks, and still I have to use Abbey Road Studio plugin to check my mixes when are done, just to make sure there are not unwanted masking frequencies obstructing what I heard on the monitors.
Bloody hell, it is so much cheaper to spend one's time writing poems, sonnets, and ballads. 🤣
What do you think which is better? Can opener is more expensive, does it do more/sound better?
Acustica Audio Sienna, Soundworks soundid reference, realphones.....quite a few to choose. Settled with minimalist sound id for flat freq correction only, thus chopping away room simulation.
For everything opposite of what tricky days and your mixes with shine
Realphones is a good tool for 40€ (I found a coupon on top of a sale). However, there is a problem they refuse to acknowledge. The VST is fine, but the standalone version cuts out for half a second every few minutes. The devs blame a conflict with whatever audio driver you're using, instead of admitting that it's their software that's the problem. The bug is still in the latest update.
Win7 + vrmbox = simple efficient and good headphones amp too
Slate VSX conspicuous in its absence
Been using it for months and it's absolutely killer
Slate I’ve blanked me 😢
wow is that Cockney?
so i'm guessing this is a plugin you put last in the chain and mix into, is that correct?
How to load AutoEq harman profiles for a headphone not included in Realphones list ?
I honestly dig my Audio Tech 50x and Sony MDR 7506 which cost way less than modular headphones or the expensive analog headphones
Save up and try to get your hands on audeze lcd1 for like 400 and you'll discover a new layer of detail
@@ajwadakter7326 i mean i got some decent monitors overall personally I think i have too many output options, but I was just explaining the two headphones i like using for mixing/monitoring. Not really big on mastering on headphones overall
Good old fashioned 2.0 stereophonic is of course great. But apparently this thing cannot simulate 3.0, 4.0, 4.1, 5.1 and above surround sound matrices, correct? Ouch....
Headphone gang. I use my beyerdynamic 880's 90% of the time
Greetings from a DT1990 user😁👍
Do you use EQ correction?
Dunno if you mean me but i use Sonarworks
Thanks for the great video, and I have a question, what is the best headphone for Audeze?
headphones are ok to check your bass and overall mix but you loose your spacial awareness but can check the mix in headphones i use ath50s
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Hi Streaky, great video, thank you! You mentioned the Sennheiser HD850 as one of your favorites. I've been using the Sennheiser HD650 for years and I love them. Do you also look at the HD650 favorably, or is there such a huge difference (in your experience) between the two, that I should look into making an upgrade to the HD850?
Yes the upgrade is worth every penny they will last you 10 years or more!!!
If you are ok on 650 why change 600 is more flat and are the one most popular i have 650 but i like audio technica ath-m50x have them for long time know how things sound on them.
BS. 850 doesn't even exist. Most actual pros would use 600/650 if using a set of open Sennheiser for mixing. If you want to spend more, look for sth with Tesla drivers. Otherwise check out the sonarworks blog and their reviews, they did more expensive Sennies as well, but nothing from that brand comes out of the box as linear as the 600/650. If you're in the US, check out the massdrop 6xx. Not exactly the same as 650, but close and great value. It's more important to simply learn your chosen set and stick with it.
@@offTheMedsYe 850 is from 1993
I remember trying Sonorworks on the HD-650's a while back, but I ended not using it, the reason being it made everything sound really good, so it kind of confused me - as a mixer isn't it the job to get everything sounding great? I'm using a kind of 80/20 thing these days with the cans being the 20, and I just feel it's simpler without correction software, for me - I still might come back to it though
I love my Phonitor 2! With correction software is my feeling a little less direct and I guess the impulses are delayed...
I have Sonarworks 4, dearVR Monitoring, Wave NX and Acustica Audio Sienna A
when i use sonarworks with my headphones, my final mix is more bad .... lol
Hi Streaky! I see that there is no Sennheiser HD850 in the USA, just an HD800 (open back) and HD820 (closed back). I generally lean towards open-back for critical listening, but curious to know what your preference is between the two models in this case?
It's good to reference mono speaker and then ear buds before mastering
Ur speakers have software built in my man!!
Acustica Sienna is the best sounding one by far.
Just put soundgudizer on master
@@lilmaybe241 that's the best way to get a loud and punchy song. For better results I suggest lining 7 and a half soundgoodizers on the master.
I don’t master with headphones either, I send it out. Worth every penny!
I'm guessing you would load this plugin AFTER something like sonarworks in your chain, right?
I have a pair of Audeze lcd X which I really like but my go to headphones are the status CB-1 for £39 I just love um! 😁
Nice sometimes things just work!
streaky the high roller over here
I literally spent like $100 on my AKGs and they serve me well
Off topic, but I'm trying to find a one stop shop for tagging meta data, what's your thoughts Streaky? Is there a really good one?
For what format
For WAV and that includes space for everything including IRSC, Currently demoing Wavelab Elements but just reaching out to the pro’s to see what you think 🤔 thanks Streaky.
I use Studio 3. Its good to check your mix on the other speakers that are in there. But i found that when automating tracks like the bass. Its not accurate. I think its because the EQ adjustment changes the phase. It would be better if they had a linear phase feature. But its really good to check your low end when referencing. Even just using headphones alone. Its a great way to match your low end when using references. I use cheap audio technica. They work great with sonnarworkx.
Hi. Sonarworks Reference has a linear phase option but in return, you get a ton of latency.
@@itsrasalhague have you checked the toneboosters morphit?
I was using slate VSX since it came out, it was ok, then got dsoniq Realphones and now mixes translate perfectly
What’s your process?
What do you think about the Slate VSX, thanks?
I use this kind of software less and less because simply, when I mix, I'm jumping from speakers to headphones and i forget to bypass the headphone correction when I listen on speakers and I forget to bypass the the speaker correction when i listen on headphones!!! I just don't have time to press one more button than I absolutely need to! I wish that this kind of software could just be on a dsp chip inside the monitor controller! Do you want to design a new monitor controller with me?
If you can setup the headphones to use a submix in your DAW or audio program and then apply the plugin to the submix you'll get around the problem of forgetting to disable it. Just an idea. But designing that monitor controller sounds like an awesome idea! I can score the music for our online advertisment :D
how do you save the overall mix do you leave realphone on and save the mix or do you bypass it? do i use a eq to match i dont under stand
Mastering engineer Glenn Schick only mixes ITB and on audeze cans through a top notch DAC using acustica audio sienna.
You should give sienna a go. It definitely helped me a lot. I tried the waves stuff, a few others like realphones and have reference from sonarworks. They all suck and translate super bad compared to sienna. Streaky you should give it a go..
Game changer for me personally..
What room do you use in Sienna if you don’t mind me asking? And do you know what room or rooms Glenn uses?
I must admit, I was in a position to purchase the combination of SPL Phonitor 2 and Audeze LCD-X.....I personally have found that combination as close to monitors, as I've ever been able to get...I know it's expensive, but I was always told, spend your money on what you listen with first....That's how I justified it to myself anyway :-)
I have h650 and sonarworks, but these headphones are so flat that i stoped using the software al together. It good to know though at witch point they have problems
@Streaky, do you recommend Realphones to someone who used Sonarworks with LCD-X? Thanks 🙏
Can realphones work for just playback? I have an amp the was designed for headphone mastering and has some nice features, like crossfeed, etc. hafler ha-75 but its been discontinued. i dont do studio work and just listen to music. One day I will need a replacement. Phonitor is likely but the Hafler is tube hybrid based and SPL not so much. Would be nice to no be dependent on a specific hardware chain.
When are you going to do the double-blind cable test?
great plug in!! I used a lot
In music reproduction they rarely tow the speakers in much to create a large stereo image. Why would mastering be any different? Thanks, a music enjoyer/nerd
Interesting you recommend LCD-Xs: I’ve heard stellar things about them and given I’m renting a flat treating rooms isn’t really practical, so headphones have long been my preferred reference (Sennheiser Momentum 2.0s currently). Just need to find £1200 or so!
Can’t believe someone of your status has failed to mention Slate VSX miles ahead of anything mentioned in this video
They have ignored me 🤷🏻♂️
I can’t imagine why they would do that your are top at your job, it’s defo a game changer
Fuck slate
Hai, will You post a review of Sienna from Acoustica audio ? 😊
I use this software with my Q701's to mix. does the job...
Been using the crossfeed built in the Neumann MT 48 Interface
Hi everyone...what about the focal spitit professional for mixing?
Headphones are more of a reference thing for me. If the mix is already loud and doesn't kill my ears on the headphones., I got the overall balance right. Headphones are not good for your ears, it's all about that direct pressure. It's very easy to go too loud, and your next problem is adjusting your ears for listening on speakers.
Not too loud, yeah sure...composition? sure. Mixdown? Hellll no. It would take you years to learn the difference and it will never be what you need it to be. Dont fool yourself, or blindly follow other people's advice. Instead of 1000 bucks for h-phones., buy a single Auratone or similar, and mixdown in mono!.
Without the mono check you will never be sure-> Phase issues!
Or build one yourself from a 5" 'full-range' car speaker! If it sounds good on that, watch what happens on your monitors or headphones-> Clarity!....magic. It will show you how f.e. bass can totally destroy your song, because the focus points were wrong from the start. You lose clarity in a flash and your brain gets fried from repeating the same mistakes. Do it, it will radically change your perspective!
Nice video! I've tested many of this software with my Lcd X , Sw4, waves, can opener, the one on the video, but the one that gave me the most natural response and good translation is the Sienna. Maybe you can check it out.
Speakers and room all day long for me. I have a half decent size room though! Still love Headphones. 👍
A review of slate vfx would be great
You can read our minds, just when we all want to ask is there a vst alternative to what spl did (but way too expensive XD) you provide the answer xd also, the software can be handy but you need to first make a golden setting and learn that as you should learn your speakers or headphones by staying with that setting so you can make up for the differences. Lol you again start saying the same when I have typed it 😂 useless comment of mine! Also, maybe borrow a review unit of the audio Technica Ath-r70x? it's 300, so mid budget. If you like it it could become a good video to help people out with the right choice. I have them they're fucking good to my ears, especially for mastering. And then you could also compare it to your audeze's. You have quality content! 🙏✌️🤍
This is a curious video, I am going to show your headphone recommendation to Andrew Scheps (mixing with a Sony 7506 90€ headphones for 20 years and getting things like Grammys in the way ... ) who knows maybe he could learn some from you ...
He probably could 👏🏻
You should try slate vsx. It’s better than all the others
WHAT ABOUT STEVEN SLATE VST
You don't have to shout mate
"I really like Sennheiser 850, they're amazing, it's really light weight..." Streaky, you should check out the 850S, it's "even better than the real thing" :)
@@patrickalphenaar I know 850 does not exist, I'm sure Streaky meant 800. I intended my comment as a joke - my bad, it went right over everyone's head :)
Your Headphones should Sound AS Close AS possible to the Monitors your using , because otherwise you will Mix Something wont Sound the was you hear IT in your Headphones
The biggest question to me i didnt found an answer and can only answer myself is This
If i sit in the perfect room so Studio enviroment and im mixing on the best possible eauipment and akustic Situation , will my Mix Sound that good in a non acustic treated Situation
Will IT Sound worst because im mixing my Sound in a perfect room , or will IT Sound better because i do ?
If im mixing in a room with barely no reflections and frequency issues , i will Not mix thinking about These issues
I will Mix on the Clean issues of the Sound itself
Here i will surely solve some issues i can notice right away and i will have a good Mix , maybe they best Mix possible
But then when i playback my music in a living room on typical good or Bad Hifi Setup , then many Things will appear i didnt Heard while mixing
My result and experience is that i luckily Mixed my music good
IT somehow Sounds way better on Standard Hifi Equipment than in my Monitors
ITS Not perfect but ITS good
I think in the end you maybe have to compromise your Mix to some different situations , to get the best possible result in every enviroment
I would Always recommend keeping the Studio Version saved and named that you can Play Back in Studios and of course in the end having reference to the changed compromise
My Brother Said i have got a Bad acustic Situation
But with my Research ITS Not too Bad
My Monitors is more than 2 Meters from Back Wall what eliminates some troubles right away
They are Standing left and right 2cm from a wall ( nit exactly the Same Material , ITS Stone Wall and Other side Stone with 40 percent of a built Wall with accustik treatment so almost the Same )
I notice some Bass overpowering on a listen Spot , so i will Check in that .
Surprisingly i didnt got Bass Problems in any of my Mixes yet
Maybe Someone can Tell me If my thoughts about compromising the Mix is right , and maybe also about how mixing in a perfect room affects the playback in a usual Standard listen room Like a kitchen or a Car
Try Slate vsx and tell
I use soundID work's for me
Thank you
But pretty much everyone is listening on headphones these days, so it makes sense to mix on them 🤷🏻♂️
I would like to suggest you to test Sienna from Acustica Audio, it's a really new way to listen.
I think the way how thoese Software for headphones are is pure rubbish, #1 is based most of those in IRs from rooms, and any room has issues, then in the Equation, they do not measure the headphone amp, and that alone can make your headphone sound like other headphones and very different....all these is a broken chain....
All I have is sonorworks at the moment and Sennheiser hd600, may try this as I used to travel a lot and mixed only on headphones at times!
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Acustica Audio Sienna beats them all, IMO.
Totally agree..
No benefit for me.
All headphone software that try to emulate a room is BS. Honestly try to accomplish a full mix from start to finish on any of them and come back with your result. You will be worse off. The only headphone software that will improve your result is sonarworks
This type of statement is BS. well if they don’t work for you doesn’t mean it doesn’t work at all.
First!
Congrats