My Brother went through Phase 1 training last year at ATR Winchester and underwent bayonet training. I believe he was taught to stab his target with the bayonet sideways and then twist it to break the ribs. Screaming whilst doing so was also encouraged. Cracking video as always.
Just got a dpm plce webbing kit.... thank you, had no clue how the frog was used till I watched your video..... Now to find an SA-80 Bayonet here in the states..... Cheers from America
I can confirm the wire cutter will cut wire as thick as a chain link fence ,with no problem,at least the U.S. M-9 version,which has an identical wire cutter design
As a serving soldier in the army reserves, I can confirm bayonet training is still in use. I did mine this time last year, a few hours before we went out into the field for 5 days
Yes Bayonet or Sword Drill (IF YOUR IN RIFLES REGIMENT) is still taught. It is more of a last ditch option i.e. when your probably very short if not run out of Ammunition. Again you can fire the weapon with Bayonet fitted but it would affect point of aim anyway and you probably already run out anyway!!! The plastic buckle is likely a drill square item that might be used on occasion by non ceremonial units outside of the Household Division.
I used the aux clip in service. It kept the blade higher up on my thigh and was slightly offset more, as the frog used to knock on my leg/knee. Short arse.
As far as I'm aware, the Infantry Training Centre still does bayonet practice (Lessons 1 & 2). The overall experience of bayonet training is a bit dumbed down now, but as of last year when I spoke to a recruit in training they were still practising it.
Bayonets were used extensively in Afghan for compound clearance. If you come through a door and see a bod infront of you, sometimes a strong thrust will do the job. PS. That’s from what I’m told- I was not there so that isn’t first hand knowledge.
The black plastic lugs with the large quick release buckle were meant to be slipped on after you disassembled completely the belt by removing slips and belt buckles of the 58 patten belt... otherwise you just break off the lugs if you try to prise it on...... which happened when they were first handed out before instruction was offered to young excitable soldiers of the mid Eighties. Week springs and firing your bayonet up range if fitted was not unknown.
i took my bayonet to a key cutter and had him put an edge on it, which made it far more usable as a tool, rather than pokey thing. Could be wrong, but the plastic piece i was told was for attaching the bayonet to vests rather than webbing. Never seen them in use so cant confirm it.
@@RiflemanMoore you're welcome buddy. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. They transport me back to my youth. This video took me to kandahar airfield and what I was issued with.
Speaking from across the Pond, I am not a fan of many of the modern bayonets that have plastic parts and weak tangs. As a Veteran of the US ARMY 1969 -1971, and an antique and surplus rifle and bayonet collector, my preference is for bayonets to be of the Bowie knife blade pattern with a strong full tang and to fit a rifle bayonet lug like Mauser bayonets of the 20th Century. The blade should be 8" long and sharpened to be used off of the rifle as a fighting and utility Knife. This type of bayonet could be used for taking scalps of the enemy if necessary.
Bayonets make reasonable camp knives,was joined by another stealth camper(my cammo was rubbish).Was using a WW2 bayonet,off a Lee- Enfield ,other guy was a copper,"you really really don't want to be using that "was his professional advice. As this is a niche interest don't make my mistake, keep it at home. After 10 years of use I changed camp knife.
😂❤😊😊 I've still got one!! All in gd working order to m8t!! Green on mucker lots of memories lol'lmao winks lol from a oldswet my self an ex'service AB ALL THE WAY BROTHER! 😊😊
It’s testament to how low a priority bayonets are considered in the modern British army that they issue soldiers this poor excuse for a bayonet.And due to its design it’s possible to stab the enemy from a different post code.
The bayonet was terrible. Would not hold a good cutting edge at all. Was very brittle. Snapped a few. The oil stone was crap. The wire cutter was actually not bad. But you ran the risk of marring up cutter so most of the time you just carries a set of cutters. The saw was passable not as good as a silky saw but was better than nothing.
This is not a good design,it may look all singing,all dancing,but it's not much more than a glorified pig sticker .i tried to sharpen mine in iraq,and blunted the file on a genuine leatherman tool,ok for stabbing,but that's about all.
It's not slang, it's the official nomenclature. The origin of the term is unknow but it dates back to at least the early 18th century and it's not a purely British or British Commonwelath/Empire term, it appears in US English to refer to the compnent used to carry a sword/bayonet.
IIRC a lot of the early ones did shatter. Directly casting hardened/hardenable steel to shape is generally considered not to produce the strongest piece. Most knife blades are ground from bar stock, or from a forging, instead.
My Brother went through Phase 1 training last year at ATR Winchester and underwent bayonet training. I believe he was taught to stab his target with the bayonet sideways and then twist it to break the ribs. Screaming whilst doing so was also encouraged. Cracking video as always.
Just got a dpm plce webbing kit.... thank you, had no clue how the frog was used till I watched your video..... Now to find an SA-80 Bayonet here in the states..... Cheers from America
I can confirm the wire cutter will cut wire as thick as a chain link fence ,with no problem,at least the U.S. M-9 version,which has an identical wire cutter design
As a serving soldier in the army reserves, I can confirm bayonet training is still in use. I did mine this time last year, a few hours before we went out into the field for 5 days
Yes Bayonet or Sword Drill (IF YOUR IN RIFLES REGIMENT) is still taught. It is more of a last ditch option i.e. when your probably very short if not run out of Ammunition. Again you can fire the weapon with Bayonet fitted but it would affect point of aim anyway and you probably already run out anyway!!! The plastic buckle is likely a drill square item that might be used on occasion by non ceremonial units outside of the Household Division.
I used the aux clip in service. It kept the blade higher up on my thigh and was slightly offset more, as the frog used to knock on my leg/knee. Short arse.
As far as I'm aware, the Infantry Training Centre still does bayonet practice (Lessons 1 & 2). The overall experience of bayonet training is a bit dumbed down now, but as of last year when I spoke to a recruit in training they were still practising it.
Bayonets were used extensively in Afghan for compound clearance. If you come through a door and see a bod infront of you, sometimes a strong thrust will do the job.
PS. That’s from what I’m told- I was not there so that isn’t first hand knowledge.
The black plastic lugs with the large quick release buckle were meant to be slipped on after you disassembled completely the belt by removing slips and belt buckles of the 58 patten belt... otherwise you just break off the lugs if you try to prise it on...... which happened when they were first handed out before instruction was offered to young excitable soldiers of the mid Eighties.
Week springs and firing your bayonet up range if fitted was not unknown.
i took my bayonet to a key cutter and had him put an edge on it,
which made it far more usable as a tool, rather than pokey thing.
Could be wrong, but the plastic piece i was told was for attaching the bayonet
to vests rather than webbing. Never seen them in use so cant confirm it.
I definitely found this interesting. Good work.
I think, although I can't remember for definite, the clip is for ceremonial duties.....
Yep, that was my understanding too
Good to know, thank you!
@@RiflemanMoore you're welcome buddy. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. They transport me back to my youth. This video took me to kandahar airfield and what I was issued with.
Still very much an integral part of dismounted close combat in the British Army.
i have used the AK bayonet wire cutter and it will cut steel wire i woul;d assume the L85 is similar
Speaking from across the Pond, I am not a fan of many of the modern bayonets that have plastic parts and weak tangs. As a Veteran of the US ARMY 1969 -1971, and an antique and surplus rifle and bayonet collector, my preference is for bayonets to be of the Bowie knife blade pattern with a strong full tang and to fit a rifle bayonet lug like Mauser bayonets of the 20th
Century. The blade should be 8" long and sharpened to be used off of the rifle as a fighting and utility Knife. This type of bayonet could be used for taking scalps of the enemy if necessary.
😊 mucker yes it's still done in training for the REG m8t!! Green on mucker lots of memories lol'lmao winks lol yeah its still done in training!!
I was pretty disappointed when I got my hands on one of these, I expected better from the UK. That said I still got two while I could
tbh i only clicked on the video because its called a frog lol
Bayonets make reasonable camp knives,was joined by another stealth camper(my cammo was rubbish).Was using a WW2 bayonet,off a Lee- Enfield ,other guy was a copper,"you really really don't want to be using that "was his professional advice. As this is a niche interest don't make my mistake, keep it at home. After 10 years of use I changed camp knife.
😂❤😊😊 I've still got one!! All in gd working order to m8t!! Green on mucker lots of memories lol'lmao winks lol from a oldswet my self an ex'service AB ALL THE WAY BROTHER! 😊😊
It’s testament to how low a priority bayonets are considered in the modern British army that they issue soldiers this poor excuse for a bayonet.And due to its design it’s possible to stab the enemy from a different post code.
Drill clip mate
The bayonet was terrible.
Would not hold a good cutting edge at all.
Was very brittle. Snapped a few.
The oil stone was crap.
The wire cutter was actually not bad. But you ran the risk of marring up cutter so most of the time you just carries a set of cutters.
The saw was passable not as good as a silky saw but was better than nothing.
This is not a good design,it may look all singing,all dancing,but it's not much more than a glorified pig sticker .i tried to sharpen mine in iraq,and blunted the file on a genuine leatherman tool,ok for stabbing,but that's about all.
Wtf is a frog? Some British slang im guessing
It's not slang, it's the official nomenclature. The origin of the term is unknow but it dates back to at least the early 18th century and it's not a purely British or British Commonwelath/Empire term, it appears in US English to refer to the compnent used to carry a sword/bayonet.
Looks very cheaply made and very easy broken lol
IIRC a lot of the early ones did shatter. Directly casting hardened/hardenable steel to shape is generally considered not to produce the strongest piece. Most knife blades are ground from bar stock, or from a forging, instead.