Oh yes, if we have to be a "German" to give the foreigner a good impression, of course you don't go like, "oh yeah, like i don't care today if we invade our neighbours". (Bro we have to assume that Schuld is what you want us to perform :D, i do it the same way with foreigners, just to reassure them.) So yeah it is a sort of unauthentic performative display, but it comes from good intentions, because usually, humans do make assumptions about each other based on their nationality, so we the younger generation have this uncertainty to deal with and a generic and accepted way of doing so..
@@HansHorst-fu2il The problem with guilt pride isn't the admission of the crime, but that said admission doesn't lead to humility. The point of guilt pride is pride, it lets one feel morally superior and results in arrogance and self righteousness. All of this says nothing about whether one supports attacking the neighbours or not.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn agreed, it is very hypocritical, but give me one nation that practices humility, and why should a nation be expected to? It's just a cultural narrative among humans that also practice factory animal farming. It's really the same thing, only genocide is for extermination, while factory farming animals is for perpetuation and enrichment. You can normalize whatever you want, most of human logic is hypocrisy
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Well in my case it let to depression, drug abuse and me becomming an misantrope. I studied evolution (biology) and observing human nature and behaviour is extremely depressing to me. I cannot come to an other conclusion: Our behaviour is peak parasidic behaviour. We take without gving. And captalism selects for the worst of humanity. Not that feudalism was any better, but our destructive behaviour increased. People used to life more in harmony with nature.
Earlier this year the sinti and roma of Germany had an holocaust remembrance „Event“ and they invited politicians, journalists and activists. You know how many politicians from the current Ampel Regierung came to visit it? Not a single one. And that’s all you have to know about the German Errinerungskultur
It seems, the Sinti and Roma are not the right kind of victim, not the victim we support by all means and we want to present to the world. It always depends on the political agenda. The plan has always since WW2 been to support the State of Isreal, from its planning to its weaponizing even with nuclear arms to its maintenance and its wars. Since the upcoming of the LGBTIQ+ image campaign (its the same thing: shaping a high pseudomoralistic profile) the "queer victims" of the concentration camps have been hyped. It's nothing more than propaganda. They are not even interested in historical facts.
It's complete hypocrisy and the Germans know it. The majority have no guilt about the Holocaust. For them, WWII was about avenging "the Jewish betrayal" in WWI, which among other things included reneging on financial support promised to Germany by Red Shield and extremely bad surrender terms, which destroyed the economy and society and loss of land. That was their True moment of humiliation. They tried to take on the powerful Jewish lobby and failed miserably and take their frustrations on nations that they foolishly think won't remember and take revenge.
@@Aaayhdjfyy it's just hypocrisy. israHell had no right to exist on Palestinian land. If they were really concerned about European Jews, they should have given them a piece of land in Germany.
I have lived in Germany for a few years now and this has only become very clear to me since the reaction to October 7th and Israel's genocide. I always struggled to figure out German culture and their treatment of Nazism because it felt a bit too self-flagellant, too exaggerated. But now that you frame it as another way of attaining superiority it all makes sense.
What?! That is outrageous! We are self flagellant to attain more superiority? Go, consult a psychiatrist! This whole guilt cult was inflicted upon us by Allies to keep us small!Nonetheless many people are done with it and support Palestinians for sure. And to claim that Germans seek to attain superiority only because the government supports Israel [ what does the US government do by the way) is unbelievable.
Truly the greatest explaination of what's happening in germany right now. At first I refused to believe it's simply guilt because I am a bit more materialist, I don't see German guilt around Namibia, Roma people, etc. Kept asking what's the catch? How is this materially benefiting the German state? Wasn't before Scholz's speech about "Deutschland raison d'être/d'état" that I realized it's way deeper than I thought. It's still a materialist urge but for actual existence. The more I learn about Germany, It's clearer to me how much its worldview and population have been heavily shaped by the US.
As a german i found this interesting but speaking for my generation: I cannot relate at all. I sure can't be blamed for what happened during WW2 and even my parents were born after 1945. I even remember in school we were intensively taught what is too far right because of WW2 but at the same time we learned not to be oppressed by guilt in any form. School subject ethics. We learned that guilt thats put on to you is always manipulative and as a secular state we should even be aware of the term guilt in christianity. I am also not guilty of Jesus death. So i can clearly say the theory above may apply to the elderly. But my generation is just extremely proud that Germany went from ant-jewish fanatism to supporting the fight against anti-jewish fanatism. Thats a huge development. That is compassion, that is empathy and anti-racism.
Thank you for offering me some great insight into the mentality of my own people. I’m a German citizen that grew up mostly in the US and I have not been able to wrap my head around the obvious insanity of supporting a genocide as an apology for another genocide until now. Despite having grown up in America I always felt very German at heart but I have never felt more distant nor more saddened than now as my country descends into a psychosis that forbids any empathy or reason from breaking through.
oh thank you for this contribution. Things getting better and better. Now, that the Allies have Germans into this guilt cult they are made responsible for it? Believe me, many German people are with Palestinians. Is that what US media now claim? That’s outrageous! In fact, Americans suffer from a psychosis forbidding any empathy for Germans and blaming them for whatever they do.
As a teen, I found out that West Germany kept Nazi laws regarding homosexuality until 1969, and refused to recognize Nazi crimes on the matter or offer compensation until 2017. And I thought to myself: "It seems the lesson they learned from the war isn't that genocide is bad, but that they genocided the wrong people." I didn't realize how right I was, considering the events of the past year.
The killing of homosexuals wasn't recognized as a war crime at the Nuremberg trials. Post-war Germany wasn't that much of an outlier in that regard, I believe. The Germans came around after Frankfurt Auschwitz trials: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_Auschwitz_trials The ex-Nazis on trial in 1963-65 had returned to normal lives after the war. They were peoples' neighbors, friens and colleagues. They were just like everybody else. That was the revelation. The Nazi war criminals could be anyone. They weren't some comic book villains. Old Nazis were essentially running Germany after the war. Old Nazis were also put in charge of building NATO in Europe. It was the same in Japan, where they were put in charge of rebuilding the country. Only 42 Japanese war criminals were sentenced for their crimes. Former Prime Minister of Japan, Shinzo Abe, is the grandson of a war criminal. Nobusuke Kishi. Kishi was imprisoned as a suspected "Class-A" war criminal by the US military occupation of Japan, but was released and later de-purged as part of the Occupation's "reverse course" due to the Cold War. (I'm quoting Wiki here.) Why would the Japanese recognize war crimes that the United States ignored? All this was the will of the United States. And it screwed with both countries. "Kraut rock" bands like Can, Neu!, Faust, Tangerine Dreams, Kraftwerk, etc. were a reaction to the conservative Germany. I also think the far out left-wing ideas in Germany at the time was a result of this. Like the Sozialistisches Patientenkollektiv: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Patients%27_Collective One thing one always have to keep in mind is that it was always the USSR that was the enemy. Nazi Germany basically saved the USSR from Western aggression, by becoming a more imminent threat. It was easy for the old Nazis to join the social democrats, conservatives, Christian democrats after the war. "We're not that different, you and I." I'm not talking German social democrats, conservatives, Christian democrats, etc., but in general. The general ideas of the Nazis were pretty universal in the West back then. The Nazis have become a sort of secular metaphysical evil. This gave us the Holocaust schlock of Schindler's List. Sorry for the rant.
anti homosexuality laws were the norms until very recently. even in the liberal US same sex marriage came 2015 despite high unpopularity of the law. only after that did the US ramp up the pro homo culture, laws and exports.
@@Senumunu Yes, but the US didn't have blame for the Holocaust as a wake up call. Intentionally continuing the Holocaust until way after WW2 isn't what led to American backwardness, unlike German actions, because there was no American Holocaust to continue. The American nonsense is, like in most places, more directly derived from fundamentalist Christianity instead.
@@rikatan anti-homo laws are not property of the nazis. they were supported by the huge christian part of the population as well. even in atheist soviet DDR the laws were upheld.
It’s amazing this “guilt” or more accurately “shame” culture doesn’t extend to Roma people, or Africans or Russians but only a settler colony allowed into being by a British anti-Semite Balfour in order to get rid of Jewish people he found problematic and prone to Bolshevik sympathies if not outright communists.
Funny word games, but for Jewish families it means that everyone in their family in Europe, and all their families friends and bosses, and customers, and teachers and lovers, and enemies, and classmates, and street cleaners were MURDERED in 4 years.
@@GammaJKIt is only one example of zionist collaboration with the nazis, there are many more, starting just after 1933. It is far beyond disgusting, what zionism has been/is capable of
Victor Frankel, said famous when confronted by questions of why he still wrote in German after surviving internment in Auswitch, that there is no such thing as collective guilt.
Well it was his first language. The American individuala questioning his decision to write in his beloved native tongue (I am referencing the examples he puts forward in his books here) weren’t particularly smart or insightful
if you believe that nations exist then collective everything exists. On a one-to-one basis there is no collective guilty and responsibility unless it comes from the individual. The right wing would like to erase collective responsibility to pave the way for hostile, aggressive, destructive political action of the future undertaken under the guise of universal goodnes. And there is noleft wing cuz no opposition will be tolerated in the global establishment of authoritotalitarianism. don’t you see, both individual and collective identity is being defeated. soon enough there will be no politically and historically empowered Germanness or Italianness or Blackness or femaleness, &c., just obedience to power.
Vergangenheitsbewältigungsweltmeister! It is actually deeply disturbing to witness how Guilt Pride can lead to self rightousness that acts as a free pass to behave completely ignorant in the present while parading a fetishized hypervirtuesness concerning the past around
it is the only possible outcome. the point of guilt pride, as the name indicates, is pride. and pride is the antithesis of humility. this is, in my opinion, the source of walsers' confusion. the underlying structure of guilt pride, hasn't changed that much in a theological sense.
"It is actually deeply disturbing to witness how Guilt Pride can lead to self rightousness that acts as a free pass to behave completely ignorant in the present while parading a fetishized hypervirtuesness concerning the past around" Do you have any examples of this, because I'm having a hard time picturing it.
@@IHSchwingo German politicians accusing Zionism-critical Jews, f.e. "Jewish Voice for Peace", of Antisemitism and castigating other politicians who quote them is one of the most ignorant examples of instrumentalized Antisemitism smears. Germany is on a hiatus now but normally is the second largest weapons supplier to Israel and in plenty other ways complicit in the death of thousands of Palestinian civilians supposedly in the name of "Never again" we allegedly have learned from our history etc
Today I ripped a sticker off a street light here in Oldenburg, Germany. It was the iconic Antifa-logo but with an Israel-flag, on a rainbow background. They are so confused here, it's not a joke
the only one "confused" is you. It's the Israelis telling you that it was them all along... and the Nazis were right. Cry about it all you want. The facts were literally in your hands, yet your GuiltPride Cowardice makes you refuse to see.
Antifa is an arm of the imperialist ruling class. That's why they have no problem with Antifa and even use and support them at times. Also, that's why Antifa goes against anti-imperialist voices, calls them Nazis for being on the side of the global East and South who get constantly threatened, exploited or manipulated, and attacked by US imperialists and NATO. They use state media lies and culture war topics to support so called "color revolutions" where countries outside the western aligned sphere get targeted with CIA sponsored terror, and "regime" change operations where the aim is to remove the current power with one that is aligned with Western imperialist interests and gives resources away to the West for free or almost free. Antifa is not at all against fascism. They are a tool of imperialists and and of fascist economic policies (such as austerity policies and destruction of whole economies in the name of whatever)
In some kind of sick collective mentality we Germans don't allow anyone else to have their own Holocaust. It's our precious and just ours. Whenever there was or is any kind of genozid or crime against humanity after 1945 we claim that none of these can outdo our attempt to wipe out Jewish people. And therefore we take so much pride in our guilt. Even the state of Israel had forgiven us long time ago, but we still have to blame ourselves. It's good to remember the past and learn from it but not if this becomes a pathological obsession.
It gets even weirder - the controversy surrounding the phrase "Polish death camps" is really interesting to me. The amicable relations between Israel and Germany, in comparison to Israel and Poland, led to some government officials blaming Poland more than Germany for the atrocities that occured on their soil...
i didnt realize they had publicly forgiven that ... we hear about holocaust survivers ALOT in the us.... so i was going to comment that once the jews themselves forgive then i would say you can move on ... though 200 years later we are still hassled about slavery
Schuld (guilt) cannot be held collectively, only individually; those who were 18 in 1945 now are 97 years old. (Full age of responsibility still is 21, which makes those able to be fully guilty at all a round 100.) There is no "German guilt", and guilt also is nothing you can take pride in. What IS a thing is German responsibility. Germany could enjoy a comfortable life, when some of the countries invaded by the so-called "Third Empire" suffered and were much worse off. It is a good thing to stress that there is a responsibility for the past. However, your opinion about instrumentalisation of how to address this responsibility is correct. It makes me sick to be a German when I see how prominently some people display their "willingness" to take on this responsibility; not that Germany does confront its responsibility worse than other countries, to the contrary there is a lot that's better than, say, in Turkey or other countries. But the self-rightousness to be amongst those "chosen few" who do it "right", the tunnel vision not to look beyond Germany, and also the hypocrisy being "responsible" towards one group, while to a much lesser extend towards other prosecuted groups, or groups abroad. This for me proves those people haven't understood what it means Germany is "responsible". It's not even a show; those people simply don't know any better.
@@enysuntra1347 Whether you call it guilt, responsibility, or in its latest rebranding, "Erinnerungskultur" seems like a difference without a meaningful distinction, the point is how it's applied. It's like a collective oath, or something. I'm all for it as a historical reference point and a thought starter, but not the way it's often used as a thought stopper (Godwin's law, essentially). I'd rather decisions were made on the strength of current ethical considerations than this increasingly artificial otherworldly historical guilt, responsibility, memory, lessons learned or whatever it's called. Even if it leads to the same decision being made.
@@TheDotBot Sorry if I was unclear. Again: Guilt is individual. You do something bad because you chose to do it, you're guilty. Responsibility is a very different thing. You live in a country that profits to this day from a crime, you are not guilty of this crime, but still responsible to see that it doesn't happen again, and that those suffering because of it get restitution. That's no "rebranding".
@@enysuntra1347 Words mean different things in different contexts, and in this context, terms like "collective guilt", "memorial culture" and whatever are used interchangeably and serve exactly the same purpose, so they mean exactly the same thing. The difference is just spin. And rebranding is all about spin, not the underlying message, call to action, rationale. That all stays the same regardless of the label you stick on it.
And just to avoid misunderstandings, reframing, spin, sugar-coating, and rebranding are essential components in political discourse for the simple reason that perceptions affect expectations that determine outcomes, but it's equally important for voters to grow tf up and look behind the nice words and think about the actual meaning unless they want to feel duped yet again by those evil nasty powers that be.
I’m an ancestor of people from Austria who were involved in WW2. I was born and raised in England away from this kind of education and discussion yet I still grew up to feel a sense of guilt. It doesn’t need to be instructed via education because it is already within many of us.
Hannah Arendt had mentioned the concept of guilt pride in her book On the Banality of Evil. Must read. Also, I'd love to see a conversation between Slavoj Zizek and you.
@JOHN-wm2on true to some extent. But that's not entirely true either. No ones bombing Morocco or Algeria and yet they're still flooding into Europe. The intervention excuse is just a cope
I always learn something new when I watch your videos. The entire framework of profilicity is a tremendous tool when attempting to understand the world we live in.
Guilt pride reminds me of how many Christians engage with the idea of being redeemed from sin and/or spiritually reborn. Salvation, some believe, requires that we reckon with the depths of our own depravity before we can be cleansed and made whole. Some Christians even believe that every single sin represents an additional degree of physical pain experienced by Christ on the cross: "with his stripes we are healed" (Isa. 53). As I child, I believed that the authenticity of my salvation could be measured by the intensity of the guilt I felt for my own sins. I leaned into guilt, in other words, to reassure myself that I was redeemed. Needless to say, those beliefs came with negative psychological consequences later in life.
@gailism I think he briefly alluded to that at the beginning, but it was easy to miss. The parallel is causal, I think. German political culture is very protestant influenced for historical reasons, so I am sure there's an entire book worth to be written about this aspect.
"I believed that the authenticity of my salvation could be measured by the intensity of the guilt I felt for my own sins" "I leaned into guilt, in other words, to reassure myself that I was redeemed" What you are describing is certainly NOT Christianity. Are you saying you shouldn't feel guilt if you rob an old lady? Guilt persists as long as sin persists, and rightfully so. Christianity demands repentance and confession, not a constant feeling of guilt. How can you feel guilt if you repent, confess, and actually stay away from sin? You will have nothing to feel guilty about. On the contrary, the so-called "woke" people not only demand from certain people to constantly feel guilt[y], but they hold that these particular people are beyond redemption regardless of what they do - they will always carry the sin of their "Colonialist" fathers.
@@JohnGeometresMaximos Christians are free to argue amongst themselves about what constitutes true Christianity. Not my circus, not my monkeys. I was simply sharing how I interpreted and internalized certain Christian ideas as a child. Those ideas and interpretations obviously do not represent every Christian or Christianity itself, and I did try to choose my words carefully to emphasize that.
I'm an Indigenous person born in canada and this reminds me so much of what the liberal party and education are trying to do regarding truth and reconciliation. Establish a few councils, find a good script to do a nice land acknowledgement, and then do NOTHING or even worse than nothing to improve the material existence of us Indigenous people currently surviving the ongoing soft genocide. Solidarity with my Palestinian cousins, solidarity with my refugee cousins, solidarity with all people living under colonialism who also roll their eyes while their oppressors moan on and on about their guilt even as their boot is on our necks.
I’m Australian, I think I know what a soft genocide is, because as soon as I read it I thought, that’s the language I’ve been missing. Thank you. We can’t decolonise unless we recognise what we’re doing now. I’m a settler, not the descendant of settlers, I’m still here and the land I’m on didn’t get any less stolen.
As a Canadian I see indigenous friends as having great difficulty in adjusting to western, judeo-Christian, Cartesian, capitalistic values and lifestyles, obviously. Only a fool would try to force a square peg into a round hole. But the other problem I see is the historical paternalistic co-dependency that has evolved over the centuries and now seems to be inculcated into the very fabric of Indigenous people and our soul-less government. A co-dependency was established as part of colonization process, and it persists today. If there is to be any true independence for the indigenous it must be designed, birthed, launched, nurtured and maintained entirely from within that community, with zero outside influence from the Canadian government.
@@zsombortelek8411 it's called a cultural genocide by other people. Unofficial practices that are supposedly outlawed still happening, such as birth alerts, nonconsensual sterilization of women, the practice of sending children who've been put into foster care out of their community and not allowing them to speak their language in their new foster care home, etc. the overpolicing of Indigenous people, the percentage of Indigenous children in foster care being so high, and the lack of support they get that leads them to be shunted almost directly into the carceral system once they're aged out of foster care. The fact that there are still communities that don't have safe drinking water in 2025. When there's a pandemic, the healthcare system sending our reserves body bags instead of masks and hand sanitizer. Among other things. That's what I'd call a soft genocide.
As a German i guess i am a little proud that we still actively discuss the crimes our nation committed back in the days. And yeah i think this approach is superior than denying that the crimes of past happened like in Japan. However i think that the moral and ethical lessons we learn from this are not being applied on a consistent basis. We should all be against fascism yet we support regimes that qualify for most if not all the criteria for Fascism with unquestioning fervor. I can deal with the cognitive dissonance and rather try to understand the reasons behind that conflict but lots of people just can't and channel their frustration into anger and condemnation of large groups of people. The world is full of nuance and conflicting ideals. Thank you for your eloquently put point of view on that issue.
I’m in 12 step recovery and it reminds me of people attending meetings with tall tales about their drug use 🙄🙄 so they can be celebrated as prodigal sons / daughters
Good luck to you. But do please dont interbalise the 12 step program. You are not helpless. You are free and you owe it to yourself to make it. Use the group for the support they can give, but know that their words and reasoning is deeply flawed.
This video is crucial to anyone living in a western neoliberal democracy to watch through, maybe multiple times. Guilt Pride really underpins the confusing atmosphere that has built our understanding of "normal values" in the last 30 years.
After a very long time I have found someone with such a profound gift of explaining something of complexity to a non German so easy and comprehensible. Thank you
Their guilt pride is so strong that they are allowing a Genocide to occur right in front of their eyes committed by the people they feel so guilty about.
Right. Germany, in reality, is not sorry. What it's essentially doing is creating a grand show ehere it says sorry and expect other to clap for them. German support for Israel is a political facade ; not for serving justice to jews but to save German themselves from the past. And, of course, to portray themselves as morally superior.
That's such a stupid statement. How are the Germans more or less controlled than other populations? Germans are not feeling guilty, they are just full of themselves to be the best people in the world. The video explains it actually quiet well.
Do we (still) need to be controlled ? There's consumerism and Netflix, as well as plenty of bs around any-next-corner these days. World, you should be fine!
The 1990s were mostly dominated by "Schlusstrich" represented by Helmut Kohl who was chancellor until 1998. In 1995 the "Wehrmachtsausstellung" was scandalized for showing crimes of the Wehrmacht because the myth of the "clean Wehrmacht" was still widely believed. One year later Daniel Goldhagens book "Hitlers willing executioners" caused a big outrage. Even Norman Finkelstein, who today is basically persona non grata, could publish excerpts of his book on Goldhagen in Der Spiegel because his views alligned with the mainstream of german media. In 1998 the most famous living german writer was probably Günter Grass and not Walser. The quote presented in the video isn't even the one that was scandalised and the article by A&K presented in the video doesn't call Walser a clandestine Nazi. Walser was not only applauded by everyone in the audience except for Ignatz Bubis, his wife and Friedrich Schorlemmer but also by Rudolf Augstein in Der Spiegel and Frank Schirrmacher in the FAZ, two of germanys most influential media outlets. So much for the "largely pro guilt pride german media". 1999 was a crucial year for "Erinnerungskultur" because Joschka Fischer, Minister of foreign affairs and member of the Green Party, justified germanys first participation in a war since 1945 by claiming to "prevent a second Auschwitz" in the Kosovo. This marked the first time that germany used it's past not to stay out of wars but to engage in "military interventions" an justify it with it's past. This important event isn't even mentioned in the video.
I have to thank you for such a valuable perspective. I love what you wrote indicates. Do you happen to have any books or articles that give a better take on this perspective?
I also think that Carefree Wandering is wrong on their take of collective guilt. Of course no individual should be forced the blame of others however most people aren’t just individuals. We elect to be part of a community. Be it family history, a religion, ethnicity or pop culture. Any group we identify with, means that we are also partly responsible for its mistakes. I mean it wouldn’t be fair to inherit the gifts of that group, pride, wealth, security, without also inheriting the debts. I as an American have a great deal of gifts, A great deal of privileges. I get to be born in relative safety, I get to be born in relative wealth. I have opportunities that most of the world does not have. I have inherited those gifts and to the extent that I even could, I would not choose to give up those gifts of security and wealth a nd freedom. Yet, have no biological connection to the United States’s history of slavery or genocide to the American Indians. I still benefited from parts of it however. Both the good aspects and the bad. My parents are both immigrants. But I believe in the American vision of the world. I am buying into that shared identity. When I see the moon landing. I am proud. When I see how the us established the United Nations and helped wipe out Small Pox, I am proud. The history, the ideology, and the future of the United States is all something I deeply believe in. I identify with it. Since I believe the ideals the United States espoused are ideals worth fighting for. Ideals. I stand behind. I am also forced to confront the hypocrisy. The evil those ideals. Have done. The pride of the United States is inextricably linked to our shames. That isn’t to say that I am ashamed to be an American. I’m both. Like they say we contain multitudes. The same thing for cultures and nations. We contain multitudes. We cannot elect which aspects of a community we inherit.
A follow up video on the way Austrians dealt with this would be highly appreciated because it is no less interesting and frankly just as genius. Framing ourselves as the "first victims" to Nazi Germany and subsequently creating an Austrian Identity separate from the Germans (that didn't exist in any shape or form pre 1945) is beyond genius actually.
@dassonntagskind Austrians never missed an opportunity to side with Turks when it was needed to screw up Serbs and our fight for freedom. So, please, STFU.
@@dassonntagskind we are all speaking English thanks to both of you guys... Also no minority who was under Turkish rule spoke or speaks Turkish so you might wanna educate yourself first.
And Italians. We never had something like the Nuremberg trials. In my experience, a large portion of the population honestly believes Mussolini was a great guy who just made the one mistake of tying himself to Hitler. As a result, fascism was never truly defeated ideologically in public opinion, just somewhat hidden for a while.
This video us a great contribution to the actual political and cultural discussions and reveals an aspect that really helps to understand better some of the craziness that's going on. Thanks a lot! As a German (living abroad today) I particularly appreciate your work.
This is brilliant analysis. I've been struggling to put into words what I see going on in Germany, and you manage to put it all together very coherently. Good work.
It's complete hypocrisy and the Germans know it. The majority have no guilt about the Holocaust. For them, WWII was about avenging "the Jewish betrayal" in WWI, which among other things included reneging on financial support promised to Germany by Red Shield and extremely bad surrender terms, which destroyed the economy and society and loss of land. That was their True moment of humiliation. They tried to take on the powerful Jewish lobby and failed miserably and take their frustrations out on nations that they foolishly think won't remember and take revenge.
Part of the problem of the Holocaust narrative is although Jewish persecution and scapegoating started immediately, the actual Holocaust happened gradually as a “final solution” and mostly as the war intensified. The historical aspect of this is German Jews were in the very least culturally successful if not financially. But the cultural success was more threatening. The reason is German Jews were concentrated in urban centers of influence. The cultural success I would argue was the bigger issue IMO. For example the focus on degenerate art. As it began to eclipse late 19th century romantic “Germanism” and conservative ideology. The fact that prominent Jews were socialists like Marx or Luxemburg was also the point of contention.
Indeed that's their guilt because it was no different to the colonial wars the West and European countries were carrying out in the global South and elsewhere. They simply brought the horrors of it into their own countries, as the Nazis were born out of admiration for the way the US and the British conducted it's colonial projects.
@rahulsubburaj9 In the hope of seeing forgiveness. That's how abusers often keep their victims around: they make them feel guilty for something -often something normal or made up- and gaslight them into believing they must go to great lengths to be forgiven. That's in fact exactly why Christianity teaches people that its impossible to be sinless and that they must constantly strive to be redeemed.
Thank you for expressing what I have noticed and had no name for. For me it was super interesting that you talked about the difference between those that experienced the Nazi times and those that didn't. I've noticed that as a generalization, older generations either talked about the Holocaust and other German crimes, confronted those that denied the Holocaust, and confronted those that used whataboutism and shifting of blame for the Nazis to other countries OR they focused on non-German participation in the Holocaust, focused on Nazi leadership, blamed WW2 on the allies, and talked about German victims (especially of Allied actions). Now it seems like its this weird combination where most people talk about talking about the Holocaust and loudly proclaim German guilt, while also using whataboutism, shifting blame to other countries, focusing on German victims, and acting superior to other countries for how they look at their history. I always thought it was funny how lots of younger Germans now a days talk about Germans only displaying the flag during football games and how that makes them better than Americans who display the flag so much. Like it's nationalism about not being nationalist/patriotic.
I agree with the fact that Germans seem sensitive to nationalism/patriotism easily seen in the example of displaying flags, but from my experience most Germans would enjoy showing the flag more and arent necessarily critical of the USA or UK for being strongly patriotic.
I think a big issue with guilt is that we are not taught how to deal with it properly. It took me a long time to understand that sometimes, I felt guilty for something that I shouldn't feel guilt for and identifying that isn't easy. For example, I have ADD and chronic depression, and when my life situation becomes difficult, my disabilities flare up and make it hard for me to function properly, which leads to me feeling guilty for not performing as well at work or being able to take care of myself, my cat and/or my apartment properly. Even when, which is often the case, my disabilities are flaring up because I am being overworked. I think guilt is a good thing to have when we have done something wrong, but a feeling that is very often groomed into us by abusers, which I sincerely consider most bosses and politicians to be. Rightfully placed guilt leads us to apologize to those who we hurt, to offer them compensation for the hurt caused and helps us rebuild friendship or familial bonds. Doing those things should leave us with a feeling of peace, accomplishment and growth. Misplaced guilt is an insatiable monster because, since we have no internal understanding of scale and extent of the hurt we are meant to repair, it either leads us into servility towards those who we have been made to believe we have hurt or we eventually become angry and start perceiving those we are made to feel indebted towards as being the insatiable monster (which, in some cases like in abusive relationship or a lot of workplace environments is true). Thankfully, there are also people who learn to be more introspective and instead realize they have no guilt to feel but instead compassion and/or righteous anger. This is one of the main reasons why I wish more basic life skills were taught in schools. Introspection and emotional management, body hygiene, how to cook and clean, first aid, consent, sensitivity towards other cultures and identities, etc. are things that should be taught in school because relying on parents to teach those things is unfair and cruel towards children whose parents lack those skills, do not have the ability to teach them or are abusive.
when pressured to both feel and display guilt for something a person didn't do, and wasn't even alive for when it happened, creates all sorts of confused blame and identification issues, especially if people cannot see that this is a profile or reputation motive... so instead of perceiving the dynamics of it, they either identify with pro or anti jewishness, when the issue is to become anti-profile boosting; its the similar thing in the usa, with making land- declarations at the beginning of every academic speech, saying, this land "rightfully belongs???" to the original people who lived here, the native americans who our distant predecesdors killed... / like, what??? they have to look up which tribe lived on the land which the property of the university or college stands on, and then say, this is 'really' the land of the so- and'so peoples... 🤔 it is so fake and what is more... it is bizarre. / i doubt that any knowlege or contact with the long gone tribal peoples even existed for over a hundred years... no living memory of the mentioned tribes. yet, lets seize the opportinity to pretend? or believe that the self is guilty? or? to make the others who are listening to the academic speech, feel in a place of guilt and shame... so as to create a shared living shame? and then to feel that they must have had something to do with it? it does feel like a way to manipulate audiences; once they have been dislodged, belittled and basically told to feel ashamed of themselves, now the speaker has a strange hold on them. They have been accused!
Yes, I agree, in conjunction with ‘habits of the body’, we must be made aware, very consciously, of ‘habits of the mind’. Thus, we can learn by process, how ‘thinking’ is the cornerstone for ‘judging’. Hard work, really, not usually found in Schulstuben trading in ‘profiled’ chunks of knowledge.
@@mandys1505I’ve heard those land acknowledgements before but never felt victimized and persecuted by them like you do. Maybe it’s an issue from your childhood where you were unfairly blamed by your parents or something, that’s leading you to feel so sensitive and take those land acknowledgements so personally?
140 comments and only 550 upvotes. Our Erinnerungskultur is just a token today. We sell arms since always, nothing has truly changed, only the paradigm is shifted around to make us look better...
@@ChristianBol-p8u "capitalists still make money" ok, wtf does that mean? thats essentialy just saying "people who use money still make money", im a capitalist and so are you
@@DarkMark-cf1ec No! Capitalists are people who have the means of production. People who gain money without working. I live on unemployment money and some small work sometimes. I don't know, if you are a capitalist, but i highly doubt it. Or do you employ people? Do you have millions of Dollars? If not, you are no capitalist.
@@ChristianBol-p8u that is not the defenition of a capitalist, if you own anything at all through the economy.. guess what you are a capitalist. you also got the monetary value wrong, as what matters is not the number on paper but the purchasing power of the person. and no Im not a millionare, I have a few thousand for a car I plan to buy. that in itself makes me a capitalist. "wealth in the form of money or other assets owned by a person or organization or available for a purpose such as starting a company or investing." and capital-ist is a person who fallows that
@@DarkMark-cf1ec The means of production is important. Nether you nor i am a capitalist. Where do you get your definition from? I am perplexed. We both live in capitalist societys, but we are not capitalists.
@@JaJDoo maybe they're going with the absurdity of Germany going full into the Ukraine war and by doing that heavily damaging their own economy. And for what, for a matter of principle? "invading other countries is wrong" While at the same time providing cover and weapons to a state that's committing mass atrocities against civilians. Which is also an invader and an occupier. So, basically, for no reason at all. By helping Israel Germany has no moral superiority over Russia.
That's a nice video Essay! As a german i've always hated this 'religious' hypocracy. As you've said in the end, it is not about having strong moral values but just about self promotion. But from experience, a lot of germans pull their self-worth from being 'the good guys' and having the wrong political stance can make you a social outcast real quick! Good Job on the video though. Cheers
Globally the generation that followed ww2 seems quite deranged. I really wonder at what point we who will have to face the trying reality of earth systems collaspe stop letting their neurosis steer us towards doom
To be fair, historically; after the loss of WW1, France created Treaty of versailles; they screwed Germany over instead of helping them, and thus; New Germany was created and France again started WW2... Imo, not supporting the Nazism but factual from researching history
2:25 I can only remember that joke...: The CIA agent meets the KGB one in a bar, and says: "The propaganda you guys make is incredible, congrats, really strong stuff" The KGB one replies: "Oooh no, we can't possibly compete with the propaganda you guys put out" "Propaganda? Us? What propaganda?", questions the baffled CIA agent.
True story: Walter Schellenberg and his Soviet counterpart were having a drink and chatting away. After inhibitions had been reduced to a dangerous level, the Soviet guy asked: We heard that you are planning to invade us and that it's called Operation Barbarossa, is it true? Schellenberg, an amazingly fast thinker and believable liar answered: That's true, we injected that rumour in the hope that the British will fall for it. If they do, they will get comfortable, lower their defenses, go out on wild goose chases, you know Churchill, and we will attack them when they least expect it. That appeared to satisfy the Ruskie but then, Schellenberg added: We also heard about a so-called Operation Groza (Thunderstorm) is there any truth to it? The Commie went red, and said he never heard about it. Back at redquarters, the dude filed his report and Stalin chose to believe Schellenberg, felt comfortable, thought he had all his time, and was caught wholly unprepared when the Wehrmacht stormed in. Problem: I just can't remember where I put the darn file, I have 2T of WW2 data, and terrible organizational skills but I definitely have it. BTW, enemy spies did not kill each other and they did socialize with each other, after all, there is nothing more useless than a dead spy. Cheers.
Either it goes unaddressed by people within Germany and nothing ever changes, or somebody takes one for the team and bears the cross of mild hypocrisy in order to affect necessary change. This man here has decided to be in the latter category and is to be commended for it.
I spent several years of my career (which involved a lot of moving about) in Germany and I totally LOVED it- the nature, the art, the music, even the crazily difficult lingo. I always found the guilt culture exaggerated to the point of being annoying and saw it as a useful tool to keep a proud people down. The developments- I should say deterioration- since the beginning of the Covid scare and the heavy handed "health" policies disappointed me, the gung-ho attitude regarding the Ukraine conflict and the silence surrounding the Northsea pipeline disappointed me further. With its position regarding Palestine Germany has plunged lower than I could have deemed possible. Believe me when I say it breaks my heart. The only good that has come out of is that I don't miss Germany so much anymore!
In relation to christian ideas about sin, I've encountered the concept of guilt pride before, but I never made the connection to German Erinnerungskultur. It explains SO much. Thank you for sharing. This was eye-opening.
Isn't there a function for creators to translate the audio of UA-cam videos? I think this one needs to be accessible to germans that don't understand English! This was very insightful and really makes sense to me having grown up in Germany as a multi-ethnic immigrant. This always annoyed the hell out of me as a young person at Gymnasium (university-track high-school) and now particularly with the recent political climate.
@@sharkbelly1169 yeah, that sentence was absolutely correct. But learning English is way easier than learning German, French, Spanish, Italian or other languages. It's everywhere and it's important since English is the language that is mostly used in international communication. And the German education system teaches English very well. Any student who has attended school for ten years should be able to understand basic English texts or videos.
@@keineahnung7278 Fair. Although coming from English, German has been much harder for me than Romance languages (Portuguese first, then Catalan). I can't really speak Spanish or French, but I also found Latin and Hungarian easier to learn than German XD
One issue with modern Germany is that because of how WW2 ended the Germans weren’t allowed to build monuments to their dead and bombed cities. Because of this Germany is unable to move on from WW2.
It was really interesting and difficult to endure the effort of collectively repressing the potential damage this could inflict on German guilt and pride. Most media outlets immediately centered the discussions around Germany itself, reiterating the central role of German guilt and effectively deflecting the lurking identity crisis that a proper analysis could bring. It felt like a masterclass in psychoanalysis, where the disintegration of the self is warded off by keeping even the slightest hint of doubt out of the conversation.
For those interested, the closing song is by Chinese band Carsick Cars “You Can Listen, You Can Talk”. A relic of Beijing’s indie rock days that are long gone.
Lieber Professor Möller, vielen Dank für dieses Video - es wird weiterverbreitet, auch wenn es vielen Menschen hier nicht gefallen wird aber eventuell wird der eine oder andere zum Nachdenken angeregt. Schonmal darüber nachgedacht ein gemeinsames Projekt mit Pascal Lottaz von Neutrality Studies zu machen? Wäre wirklich interessant :)
Having left German insanity behind me 40 years ago, having been dumbfounded by this crazy rise of wokeism, I applaud you for this fine analysis, that gives me much food for thought... 🙏👏👏👏
Interestingly, in mental health one should always let go for past trauma to get healthy, yet Germany is having some love affair with its past trauma which isn't healthy in anyway
This is interesting, could you give your position on how the profiling in the US would Differ from the one in Germany? The US does not seem to have an idea of guilt in this case so coming to the same unwavering support of isral is to me paradoxical. Do we have two very different phenomena leading to the same conclusions or is there something that ties both?
I think if you take account of the American track record in the Middle East from Dessert Storm to the War on Terror there's a lot of Islamophobia in the USA. I think they've been conditioned to view Muslims (be that Iraqi, Arab, Palestinian, Afghan or other) as bad guys, because that is the only way for them to justify their own actions. In short, if they recognise that the Israelis are war criminals, then they are war criminals themselves too.
There is plenty of white guilt in the US - Jews make sure to guilt American conservative whites as "Nazis" on a daily basis even though America fought against the Nazis. It's all so tiresome.
The USA does have a thing with historical guilt. That's one of the reasons why, if you check the Pew Research survey data, you will see that the USA is one of the least proud and patriotic modern countries. However, national guilt is not official, like in Germany. The cognitive elites do believe in inculcating a sense of guilt, but if they forced it as officially as is done in Germany, too many people in the USA would freak out. And also, there is some kind of cultural taboo on the idea of "maintaining your reputation," worrying about your reputation ("worrying about what other people think about you"), and having any ethnic/national identity at all. It's not just about "being individualist," it is also about the dis-allowance of identitarianism, particularly for white people. If there is no ethnic/national identity, then it makes no sense to try to restore the sense of moral status of the ethnic/national group. Anyhow, the point being, there still is cultural guilt in the USA. We would call it "white guilt," because people basically just hate white people, here. There also is a sense that "saving the Jews" in WWII is one of the only good things that the USA has done, and it can be a point of pride in the USA for people to protect Jewish people.
American white liberals are (((cucked))) with white guilt as can be. For anyone paying attention, they quite evidently care much more for Palestinians or diasporic liberal Jews or "LGBTQ children" or black criminals or [insert deviant minority here] much more than average Americans.
Reminds me of those who say in response to people questioning the slaughter of civilians by the allies "well, then they shouldn't started the war." Who is "they?" The dead children had no say in the war starting. Some people seem to say "ah, the Nazis/imperial japan/italy were bad because of racism and war crimes" and then claim war crimes against them were fine because they were of the wrong race.
never heard the expression before, damn shit, it descreibes very well what the actuallized doctrin is in this days and explains quite well the astonishing attitude of official Germany towards the ongoing genocide, all in all a quite correct description
To me as a Czech, german guilt pride feels like getting spit in face after being raped and beaten up. I see it as desperate attemt to be superior no matter what, and it feels very insulting. Also I think it's absurd when Germans try to "get things right" by their immigration policies toward people from Asia and Africa, while most damage by nazis was inflicted upon easterns states, Poles, Russians, Belarussians etc.
To be fair, "we" are still destroying Asia and Africa. Remember how we destroyed Somalia in 2006? Surely you remember the sea pirates. France is making money selling cheap nuclear energy to the rest of Europe. Why can France buy uranium cheap from Niger? Why can't Niger sell its uranium to the highest bidder? Now they can. That's why the West is fuming over Niger, Burkina Faso and Mali. Their governments have kicked out the colonizers. The West is angry because they stand between us and our natural resources. Africa has enough natural resources to take the people out of poverty. We just won't let them. If an African government enacts laws that the West thinks threatens our interest, "we" will topple them. Ironically, Republican Matt Gaetz is the only one in Washington to ask the Pentagon why the United States is funding militants and toppling governments in Africa. The person from the Pentagon answered, because of shared values. Equally ironic, the military individuals now running Niger, Burkina Faso and Mali were armed and trained by the United States. They just rebelled. Turns out they aren't the Western puppets the West thought they were. As for Asia. "We" just toppled the governments in Pakistan and Bangladesh. "We" told Syria in 2003 that it will face the same faith as Iraq if it doesn't break ties with Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas and Russia. We know how that ended. The list goes on and on and on. "We" have been arming p*dophiles in Afghanistan for more than half a century. It has completely destroyed the country. The Taliban (Muslim puritans) emerged as a response to this. They were greeted by the Afghans because they fought the p*dophiles. This is also why the United States was defeated by the Taliban after 20 years of war. The Taliban were hated by 90% of the Afghan population by 2003. But the Americans made themselves even more hated and made the Taliban look like the lesser evil. The United States even had as policy to let their allies rape children on US bases. www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html Only Westerners think p*dophiles are a step up from Islamic puritanism. The Afghan people don't agree. And "we" support those pedophiles because of "shared values." An aside. The Taliban has again banned opium production, which has halved since they took power. You know, the opium trade propped up by the CIA.
That Sounds weird, actually. Germany took in more than one Million people from Ukraine - ON top to the millions of people from other conflict regions. Far more, than you czechs. Calm down a bit, Mate. You can't have yout cake and eat it, too ;)
@@MrGamerMaximus 1. The Germans have no right to give us moral lessons. 2. It is absolutely unthinkable to erase the crimes committed by the Germans by separating Nazi and German -- as if Nazis were extraterrestrials, and by naming the concentration camps on the territory of occupied and brutalized Poland “the Polish camps”. That would be a good start. Many thanks in advance!
What kind of "guilt"? After unification, Germany continued exactly where it left off. In parallel with unification, they worked on the destruction of Yugoslavia. Supporting their allies from the time of Nazism, such as Croatia and Slovenia, and for the third time in the century attacking Serbia. The idea that they will somehow succeed in destroying Russia is still alive, as it was in ancient times. Germany and the Germans are exactly what they have always been.
Tell me you have no idea about the terms you are using without telling me directly... I'm sorry, but as a German, this is the first time I've heard the term "guilt pride," which is completely inappropriate. It's also difficult to follow the argument if you live in Germany and know a little about history. The culture of remembrance only serves the purpose of preventing mistakes from the past from being repeated and perhaps making people think a little bit about it. But this thoughtfulness is not actively pursued. People simply become aware of the grievances of the past again. In German, there is also the term "historical awareness", which refers not only to events in Germany, but to events in general. This means that one should learn from them and not forget mistakes so quickly, or seek inspiration from history. I consider it not only absolutely irrelevant to link the refugee crisis or values of tolerance with some strange "guilt pride" ideology, I consider it not only factually wrong, but also somewhat disturbing. Human values are something that the Federal Republic has in its constitution and that should be upheld. There is certainly no claim to any kind of respect. Nor is there any intention to gain respect. It is simply humanity, but its implementation often falls short in Germany. Human values are something that the Federal Republic has in its constitution and that should be upheld. There is certainly no claim to any kind of respect. Nor is there any intention to gain respect. It is simply humanity, but its implementation often falls short in Germany. Doing the right thing and assuming at least some responsibility, both as the third largest economy and as a state that, for example, stole something during colonial times and has to give it back because it is in its own museum, is simply the right thing to do and has nothing to do with supranational reputation. Just as little to do with social cohesion and identity. Freedom of expression reigns in Germany and this is particularly noticeable in the course of this. Since the video is simply factually incorrect and goes against a number of values, I will report it. An important aspect of this is the allusion to justified discrimination in the context of "wokeness". People should just be allowed to live, even if you don't agree. Live and let live. Letting live is particularly emphasized.
Having lived in Germany, for years I searched for the words that this man put so eloquently.
Oh yes, if we have to be a "German" to give the foreigner a good impression, of course you don't go like, "oh yeah, like i don't care today if we invade our neighbours". (Bro we have to assume that Schuld is what you want us to perform :D, i do it the same way with foreigners, just to reassure them.) So yeah it is a sort of unauthentic performative display, but it comes from good intentions, because usually, humans do make assumptions about each other based on their nationality, so we the younger generation have this uncertainty to deal with and a generic and accepted way of doing so..
@@HansHorst-fu2il The problem with guilt pride isn't the admission of the crime, but that said admission doesn't lead to humility. The point of guilt pride is pride, it lets one feel morally superior and results in arrogance and self righteousness. All of this says nothing about whether one supports attacking the neighbours or not.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn agreed, it is very hypocritical, but give me one nation that practices humility, and why should a nation be expected to? It's just a cultural narrative among humans that also practice factory animal farming. It's really the same thing, only genocide is for extermination, while factory farming animals is for perpetuation and enrichment.
You can normalize whatever you want, most of human logic is hypocrisy
@@ArawnOfAnnwn hypocrisy is the basic mode of international relations, we just happen to use our specific flavor ;)
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Well in my case it let to depression, drug abuse and me becomming an misantrope. I studied evolution (biology) and observing human nature and behaviour is extremely depressing to me. I cannot come to an other conclusion: Our behaviour is peak parasidic behaviour. We take without gving. And captalism selects for the worst of humanity. Not that feudalism was any better, but our destructive behaviour increased. People used to life more in harmony with nature.
Earlier this year the sinti and roma of Germany had an holocaust remembrance „Event“ and they invited politicians, journalists and activists. You know how many politicians from the current Ampel Regierung came to visit it? Not a single one. And that’s all you have to know about the German Errinerungskultur
It seems, the Sinti and Roma are not the right kind of victim, not the victim we support by all means and we want to present to the world. It always depends on the political agenda. The plan has always since WW2 been to support the State of Isreal, from its planning to its weaponizing even with nuclear arms to its maintenance and its wars. Since the upcoming of the LGBTIQ+ image campaign (its the same thing: shaping a high pseudomoralistic profile) the "queer victims" of the concentration camps have been hyped. It's nothing more than propaganda. They are not even interested in historical facts.
It's complete hypocrisy and the Germans know it. The majority have no guilt about the Holocaust. For them, WWII was about avenging "the Jewish betrayal" in WWI, which among other things included reneging on financial support promised to Germany by Red Shield and extremely bad surrender terms, which destroyed the economy and society and loss of land.
That was their True moment of humiliation. They tried to take on the powerful Jewish lobby and failed miserably and take their frustrations on nations that they foolishly think won't remember and take revenge.
Yes!!
It’s Heuchelei.
@@Aaayhdjfyy it's just hypocrisy. israHell had no right to exist on Palestinian land. If they were really concerned about European Jews, they should have given them a piece of land in Germany.
I have lived in Germany for a few years now and this has only become very clear to me since the reaction to October 7th and Israel's genocide. I always struggled to figure out German culture and their treatment of Nazism because it felt a bit too self-flagellant, too exaggerated. But now that you frame it as another way of attaining superiority it all makes sense.
What?! That is outrageous! We are self flagellant to attain more superiority? Go, consult a psychiatrist! This whole guilt cult was inflicted upon us by Allies to keep us small!Nonetheless many people are done with it and support Palestinians for sure. And to claim that Germans seek to attain superiority only because the government supports Israel [ what does the US government do by the way) is unbelievable.
Truly the greatest explaination of what's happening in germany right now. At first I refused to believe it's simply guilt because I am a bit more materialist, I don't see German guilt around Namibia, Roma people, etc. Kept asking what's the catch? How is this materially benefiting the German state?
Wasn't before Scholz's speech about "Deutschland raison d'être/d'état" that I realized it's way deeper than I thought. It's still a materialist urge but for actual existence. The more I learn about Germany, It's clearer to me how much its worldview and population have been heavily shaped by the US.
Germany actually makes a lot of money by selling weapons to Israel, but still…
Don't see German guilt around the 22 million Soviet citizens they've murdered
aren't Germany selling weapons for this genocide to izrili?
$$$$$$$ the love of money is the root of all evil. they may not be guilty feeling but they are greedy. you can count on that.
As a german i found this interesting but speaking for my generation: I cannot relate at all. I sure can't be blamed for what happened during WW2 and even my parents were born after 1945. I even remember in school we were intensively taught what is too far right because of WW2 but at the same time we learned not to be oppressed by guilt in any form. School subject ethics. We learned that guilt thats put on to you is always manipulative and as a secular state we should even be aware of the term guilt in christianity. I am also not guilty of Jesus death. So i can clearly say the theory above may apply to the elderly. But my generation is just extremely proud that Germany went from ant-jewish fanatism to supporting the fight against anti-jewish fanatism. Thats a huge development. That is compassion, that is empathy and anti-racism.
Thank you for offering me some great insight into the mentality of my own people. I’m a German citizen that grew up mostly in the US and I have not been able to wrap my head around the obvious insanity of supporting a genocide as an apology for another genocide until now.
Despite having grown up in America I always felt very German at heart but I have never felt more distant nor more saddened than now as my country descends into a psychosis that forbids any empathy or reason from breaking through.
oh thank you for this contribution. Things getting better and better. Now, that the Allies have Germans into this guilt cult they are made responsible for it? Believe me, many German people are with Palestinians. Is that what US media now claim? That’s outrageous! In fact, Americans suffer from a psychosis forbidding any empathy for Germans and blaming them for whatever they do.
As a teen, I found out that West Germany kept Nazi laws regarding homosexuality until 1969, and refused to recognize Nazi crimes on the matter or offer compensation until 2017. And I thought to myself: "It seems the lesson they learned from the war isn't that genocide is bad, but that they genocided the wrong people." I didn't realize how right I was, considering the events of the past year.
The GDR had retained most Nazi laws at all.
The killing of homosexuals wasn't recognized as a war crime at the Nuremberg trials. Post-war Germany wasn't that much of an outlier in that regard, I believe.
The Germans came around after Frankfurt Auschwitz trials: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_Auschwitz_trials
The ex-Nazis on trial in 1963-65 had returned to normal lives after the war. They were peoples' neighbors, friens and colleagues. They were just like everybody else. That was the revelation. The Nazi war criminals could be anyone. They weren't some comic book villains.
Old Nazis were essentially running Germany after the war. Old Nazis were also put in charge of building NATO in Europe. It was the same in Japan, where they were put in charge of rebuilding the country. Only 42 Japanese war criminals were sentenced for their crimes. Former Prime Minister of Japan, Shinzo Abe, is the grandson of a war criminal. Nobusuke Kishi. Kishi was imprisoned as a suspected "Class-A" war criminal by the US military occupation of Japan, but was released and later de-purged as part of the Occupation's "reverse course" due to the Cold War. (I'm quoting Wiki here.) Why would the Japanese recognize war crimes that the United States ignored? All this was the will of the United States. And it screwed with both countries.
"Kraut rock" bands like Can, Neu!, Faust, Tangerine Dreams, Kraftwerk, etc. were a reaction to the conservative Germany. I also think the far out left-wing ideas in Germany at the time was a result of this. Like the Sozialistisches Patientenkollektiv: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Patients%27_Collective
One thing one always have to keep in mind is that it was always the USSR that was the enemy. Nazi Germany basically saved the USSR from Western aggression, by becoming a more imminent threat.
It was easy for the old Nazis to join the social democrats, conservatives, Christian democrats after the war. "We're not that different, you and I." I'm not talking German social democrats, conservatives, Christian democrats, etc., but in general. The general ideas of the Nazis were pretty universal in the West back then. The Nazis have become a sort of secular metaphysical evil. This gave us the Holocaust schlock of Schindler's List.
Sorry for the rant.
anti homosexuality laws were the norms until very recently. even in the liberal US same sex marriage came 2015 despite high unpopularity of the law.
only after that did the US ramp up the pro homo culture, laws and exports.
@@Senumunu Yes, but the US didn't have blame for the Holocaust as a wake up call. Intentionally continuing the Holocaust until way after WW2 isn't what led to American backwardness, unlike German actions, because there was no American Holocaust to continue. The American nonsense is, like in most places, more directly derived from fundamentalist Christianity instead.
@@rikatan anti-homo laws are not property of the nazis. they were supported by the huge christian part of the population as well. even in atheist soviet DDR the laws were upheld.
Good video, I'm glad you're back again
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Aren't you the pro palestine guy?
@@SixToughwhat kind of question is this? Are you pro apartheid, pro genocide and pro ethno nationalism?
Then you're a nazi it's that simple
It’s amazing this “guilt” or more accurately “shame” culture doesn’t extend to Roma people, or Africans or Russians but only a settler colony allowed into being by a British anti-Semite Balfour in order to get rid of Jewish people he found problematic and prone to Bolshevik sympathies if not outright communists.
Funny word games, but for Jewish families it means that everyone in their family in Europe, and all their families friends and bosses, and customers, and teachers and lovers, and enemies, and classmates, and street cleaners were MURDERED in 4 years.
What? No they sent Jews to Israel because they loved them!
What the hell is the Haavara Agreement?
@@GammaJKIt is only one example of zionist collaboration with the nazis, there are many more, starting just after 1933. It is far beyond disgusting, what zionism has been/is capable of
@ItsOgre - Rubbish
No one ever said the Roma run the world.
Victor Frankel, said famous when confronted by questions of why he still wrote in German after surviving internment in Auswitch, that there is no such thing as collective guilt.
I agree
@@torquemaddertorquemadder2080 Victor Frankl survived the concentration camps, so it wasn't about defense here
Well it was his first language. The American individuala questioning his decision to write in his beloved native tongue (I am referencing the examples he puts forward in his books here) weren’t particularly smart or insightful
This is true, but there is a collective responsibility to learn from the past.
if you believe that nations exist then collective everything exists. On a one-to-one basis there is no collective guilty and responsibility unless it comes from the individual.
The right wing would like to erase collective responsibility to pave the way for hostile, aggressive, destructive political action of the future undertaken under the guise of universal goodnes. And there is noleft wing cuz no opposition will be tolerated in the global establishment of authoritotalitarianism. don’t you see, both individual and collective identity is being defeated. soon enough there will be no politically and historically empowered Germanness or Italianness or Blackness or femaleness, &c., just obedience to power.
Vergangenheitsbewältigungsweltmeister!
It is actually deeply disturbing to witness how Guilt Pride can lead to self rightousness that acts as a free pass to behave completely ignorant in the present while parading a fetishized hypervirtuesness concerning the past around
it is the only possible outcome. the point of guilt pride, as the name indicates, is pride. and pride is the antithesis of humility. this is, in my opinion, the source of walsers' confusion. the underlying structure of guilt pride, hasn't changed that much in a theological sense.
"It is actually deeply disturbing to witness how Guilt Pride can lead to self rightousness that acts as a free pass to behave completely ignorant in the present while parading a fetishized hypervirtuesness concerning the past around"
Do you have any examples of this, because I'm having a hard time picturing it.
@@IHSchwingo German politicians accusing Zionism-critical Jews, f.e. "Jewish Voice for Peace", of Antisemitism and castigating other politicians who quote them is one of the most ignorant examples of instrumentalized Antisemitism smears. Germany is on a hiatus now but normally is the second largest weapons supplier to Israel and in plenty other ways complicit in the death of thousands of Palestinian civilians supposedly in the name of "Never again" we allegedly have learned from our history etc
@@IHSchwingo 20:10 This is an example in the video
@@imacg5 It's probably a good example of Nietzsches "Slave Morality" in practice and illustrates the impliciit mechanics he criticised
Today I ripped a sticker off a street light here in Oldenburg, Germany. It was the iconic Antifa-logo but with an Israel-flag, on a rainbow background. They are so confused here, it's not a joke
the only one "confused" is you. It's the Israelis telling you that it was them all along... and the Nazis were right. Cry about it all you want. The facts were literally in your hands, yet your GuiltPride Cowardice makes you refuse to see.
That's nothing, I've seen the Antifa logo with a US/Israel flag and "Antiideologische Aktion" as text.
It's not that confused, some of the very first antifa orgs were aggressively Zionist.
Bruhhh Israel is against LGBT...
Confusion is on Max Level
Antifa is an arm of the imperialist ruling class. That's why they have no problem with Antifa and even use and support them at times. Also, that's why Antifa goes against anti-imperialist voices, calls them Nazis for being on the side of the global East and South who get constantly threatened, exploited or manipulated, and attacked by US imperialists and NATO. They use state media lies and culture war topics to support so called "color revolutions" where countries outside the western aligned sphere get targeted with CIA sponsored terror, and "regime" change operations where the aim is to remove the current power with one that is aligned with Western imperialist interests and gives resources away to the West for free or almost free. Antifa is not at all against fascism. They are a tool of imperialists and and of fascist economic policies (such as austerity policies and destruction of whole economies in the name of whatever)
In some kind of sick collective mentality we Germans don't allow anyone else to have their own Holocaust. It's our precious and just ours. Whenever there was or is any kind of genozid or crime against humanity after 1945 we claim that none of these can outdo our attempt to wipe out Jewish people. And therefore we take so much pride in our guilt. Even the state of Israel had forgiven us long time ago, but we still have to blame ourselves. It's good to remember the past and learn from it but not if this becomes a pathological obsession.
@@telekommandant VERY Interesting!
The holocausts before The WW2.
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Thats why i love México. For mexicans your crime is not sacred. Is just as bad as any other.
the state of israel may have publicly forgiven but they sure never stopped collecting their reparations XD
It gets even weirder - the controversy surrounding the phrase "Polish death camps" is really interesting to me. The amicable relations between Israel and Germany, in comparison to Israel and Poland, led to some government officials blaming Poland more than Germany for the atrocities that occured on their soil...
i didnt realize they had publicly forgiven that ... we hear about holocaust survivers ALOT in the us.... so i was going to comment that once the jews themselves forgive then i would say you can move on ... though 200 years later we are still hassled about slavery
The problem with German guilt isn't so much that it's there, the problem is that it's instrumentalised like a commodity.
Schuld (guilt) cannot be held collectively, only individually; those who were 18 in 1945 now are 97 years old. (Full age of responsibility still is 21, which makes those able to be fully guilty at all a round 100.) There is no "German guilt", and guilt also is nothing you can take pride in.
What IS a thing is German responsibility. Germany could enjoy a comfortable life, when some of the countries invaded by the so-called "Third Empire" suffered and were much worse off. It is a good thing to stress that there is a responsibility for the past.
However, your opinion about instrumentalisation of how to address this responsibility is correct. It makes me sick to be a German when I see how prominently some people display their "willingness" to take on this responsibility; not that Germany does confront its responsibility worse than other countries, to the contrary there is a lot that's better than, say, in Turkey or other countries.
But the self-rightousness to be amongst those "chosen few" who do it "right", the tunnel vision not to look beyond Germany, and also the hypocrisy being "responsible" towards one group, while to a much lesser extend towards other prosecuted groups, or groups abroad.
This for me proves those people haven't understood what it means Germany is "responsible". It's not even a show; those people simply don't know any better.
@@enysuntra1347 Whether you call it guilt, responsibility, or in its latest rebranding, "Erinnerungskultur" seems like a difference without a meaningful distinction, the point is how it's applied. It's like a collective oath, or something. I'm all for it as a historical reference point and a thought starter, but not the way it's often used as a thought stopper (Godwin's law, essentially). I'd rather decisions were made on the strength of current ethical considerations than this increasingly artificial otherworldly historical guilt, responsibility, memory, lessons learned or whatever it's called. Even if it leads to the same decision being made.
@@TheDotBot Sorry if I was unclear. Again: Guilt is individual. You do something bad because you chose to do it, you're guilty.
Responsibility is a very different thing. You live in a country that profits to this day from a crime, you are not guilty of this crime, but still responsible to see that it doesn't happen again, and that those suffering because of it get restitution.
That's no "rebranding".
@@enysuntra1347 Words mean different things in different contexts, and in this context, terms like "collective guilt", "memorial culture" and whatever are used interchangeably and serve exactly the same purpose, so they mean exactly the same thing. The difference is just spin. And rebranding is all about spin, not the underlying message, call to action, rationale. That all stays the same regardless of the label you stick on it.
And just to avoid misunderstandings, reframing, spin, sugar-coating, and rebranding are essential components in political discourse for the simple reason that perceptions affect expectations that determine outcomes, but it's equally important for voters to grow tf up and look behind the nice words and think about the actual meaning unless they want to feel duped yet again by those evil nasty powers that be.
I’m an ancestor of people from Austria who were involved in WW2. I was born and raised in England away from this kind of education and discussion yet I still grew up to feel a sense of guilt. It doesn’t need to be instructed via education because it is already within many of us.
Hannah Arendt had mentioned the concept of guilt pride in her book On the Banality of Evil. Must read. Also, I'd love to see a conversation between Slavoj Zizek and you.
Thanks for the great video. I just hope you won't be banned from entering Germany after such blasphemy.
@@pikachu7748 why would anyone want to go to Germany anyway
@@kremigmitsahne7197wonder where you are from?
@kremigmitsahne7197 would you care to tell that to the millions of foreigners that're currently flooding in? Much appreciated
@@supasfTo be fair, the West kinda destroyed their countries through intervention and such.
@JOHN-wm2on true to some extent. But that's not entirely true either. No ones bombing Morocco or Algeria and yet they're still flooding into Europe. The intervention excuse is just a cope
I am german and think, that we have never been explained so well. You have won a new subscriber.
Who is the man in your pfp supposed to symbolize?
I always learn something new when I watch your videos. The entire framework of profilicity is a tremendous tool when attempting to understand the world we live in.
Guilt pride reminds me of how many Christians engage with the idea of being redeemed from sin and/or spiritually reborn. Salvation, some believe, requires that we reckon with the depths of our own depravity before we can be cleansed and made whole. Some Christians even believe that every single sin represents an additional degree of physical pain experienced by Christ on the cross: "with his stripes we are healed" (Isa. 53). As I child, I believed that the authenticity of my salvation could be measured by the intensity of the guilt I felt for my own sins. I leaned into guilt, in other words, to reassure myself that I was redeemed. Needless to say, those beliefs came with negative psychological consequences later in life.
Yeah wow. True.
Christianity is a mirror of domestic violence relationships.
So much harm.
@gailism I think he briefly alluded to that at the beginning, but it was easy to miss.
The parallel is causal, I think. German political culture is very protestant influenced for historical reasons, so I am sure there's an entire book worth to be written about this aspect.
@jaegrant6441 true. "I love you, and that's why if you don't do things my way, I will have to beat you."
"I believed that the authenticity of my salvation could be measured by the intensity of the guilt I felt for my own sins"
"I leaned into guilt, in other words, to reassure myself that I was redeemed"
What you are describing is certainly NOT Christianity. Are you saying you shouldn't feel guilt if you rob an old lady? Guilt persists as long as sin persists, and rightfully so. Christianity demands repentance and confession, not a constant feeling of guilt. How can you feel guilt if you repent, confess, and actually stay away from sin? You will have nothing to feel guilty about. On the contrary, the so-called "woke" people not only demand from certain people to constantly feel guilt[y], but they hold that these particular people are beyond redemption regardless of what they do - they will always carry the sin of their "Colonialist" fathers.
@@JohnGeometresMaximos Christians are free to argue amongst themselves about what constitutes true Christianity. Not my circus, not my monkeys. I was simply sharing how I interpreted and internalized certain Christian ideas as a child. Those ideas and interpretations obviously do not represent every Christian or Christianity itself, and I did try to choose my words carefully to emphasize that.
I'm an Indigenous person born in canada and this reminds me so much of what the liberal party and education are trying to do regarding truth and reconciliation. Establish a few councils, find a good script to do a nice land acknowledgement, and then do NOTHING or even worse than nothing to improve the material existence of us Indigenous people currently surviving the ongoing soft genocide. Solidarity with my Palestinian cousins, solidarity with my refugee cousins, solidarity with all people living under colonialism who also roll their eyes while their oppressors moan on and on about their guilt even as their boot is on our necks.
Hi indigenous person. Can you please elaborate on what soft genocide is? I'd appreciate it.
I’m Australian, I think I know what a soft genocide is, because as soon as I read it I thought, that’s the language I’ve been missing. Thank you.
We can’t decolonise unless we recognise what we’re doing now. I’m a settler, not the descendant of settlers, I’m still here and the land I’m on didn’t get any less stolen.
Indigenous Palestinians? Lmao. Yeah right.
As a Canadian I see indigenous friends as having great difficulty in adjusting to western, judeo-Christian, Cartesian, capitalistic values and lifestyles, obviously. Only a fool would try to force a square peg into a round hole. But the other problem I see is the historical paternalistic co-dependency that has evolved over the centuries and now seems to be inculcated into the very fabric of Indigenous people and our soul-less government. A co-dependency was established as part of colonization process, and it persists today. If there is to be any true independence for the indigenous it must be designed, birthed, launched, nurtured and maintained entirely from within that community, with zero outside influence from the Canadian government.
@@zsombortelek8411 it's called a cultural genocide by other people. Unofficial practices that are supposedly outlawed still happening, such as birth alerts, nonconsensual sterilization of women, the practice of sending children who've been put into foster care out of their community and not allowing them to speak their language in their new foster care home, etc. the overpolicing of Indigenous people, the percentage of Indigenous children in foster care being so high, and the lack of support they get that leads them to be shunted almost directly into the carceral system once they're aged out of foster care. The fact that there are still communities that don't have safe drinking water in 2025. When there's a pandemic, the healthcare system sending our reserves body bags instead of masks and hand sanitizer. Among other things. That's what I'd call a soft genocide.
As a German i guess i am a little proud that we still actively discuss the crimes our nation committed back in the days. And yeah i think this approach is superior than denying that the crimes of past happened like in Japan. However i think that the moral and ethical lessons we learn from this are not being applied on a consistent basis. We should all be against fascism yet we support regimes that qualify for most if not all the criteria for Fascism with unquestioning fervor.
I can deal with the cognitive dissonance and rather try to understand the reasons behind that conflict but lots of people just can't and channel their frustration into anger and condemnation of large groups of people. The world is full of nuance and conflicting ideals.
Thank you for your eloquently put point of view on that issue.
I’m in 12 step recovery and it reminds me of people attending meetings with tall tales about their drug use 🙄🙄 so they can be celebrated as prodigal sons / daughters
Good luck to you. But do please dont interbalise the 12 step program. You are not helpless. You are free and you owe it to yourself to make it. Use the group for the support they can give, but know that their words and reasoning is deeply flawed.
*internalize
This video is crucial to anyone living in a western neoliberal democracy to watch through, maybe multiple times. Guilt Pride really underpins the confusing atmosphere that has built our understanding of "normal values" in the last 30 years.
After a very long time I have found someone with such a profound gift of explaining something of complexity to a non German so easy and comprehensible. Thank you
Their guilt pride is so strong that they are allowing a Genocide to occur right in front of their eyes committed by the people they feel so guilty about.
Sure, let's believe the ministry serving cooked numbers.
Israel is not representative of Jews and/or Judaism. Just because Germany and Israel say so doesn't make it true.
Right. Germany, in reality, is not sorry. What it's essentially doing is creating a grand show ehere it says sorry and expect other to clap for them.
German support for Israel is a political facade ; not for serving justice to jews but to save German themselves from the past. And, of course, to portray themselves as morally superior.
antisemite spotted
maybe you shouldn't blame the most self-critical people in the world for their overt self-criticism if you don't want more self-criticism.
Guilt is a potent weapon. Without it, it would be very difficult to control the German people.
Yep
Vey...
That's such a stupid statement. How are the Germans more or less controlled than other populations? Germans are not feeling guilty, they are just full of themselves to be the best people in the world. The video explains it actually quiet well.
Do we (still) need to be controlled ? There's consumerism and Netflix, as well as plenty of bs around any-next-corner these days.
World, you should be fine!
especially since religion already does that to Germans.
The 1990s were mostly dominated by "Schlusstrich" represented by Helmut Kohl who was chancellor until 1998. In 1995 the "Wehrmachtsausstellung" was scandalized for showing crimes of the Wehrmacht because the myth of the "clean Wehrmacht" was still widely believed. One year later Daniel Goldhagens book "Hitlers willing executioners" caused a big outrage. Even Norman Finkelstein, who today is basically persona non grata, could publish excerpts of his book on Goldhagen in Der Spiegel because his views alligned with the mainstream of german media.
In 1998 the most famous living german writer was probably Günter Grass and not Walser. The quote presented in the video isn't even the one that was scandalised and the article by A&K presented in the video doesn't call Walser a clandestine Nazi. Walser was not only applauded by everyone in the audience except for Ignatz Bubis, his wife and Friedrich Schorlemmer but also by Rudolf Augstein in Der Spiegel and Frank Schirrmacher in the FAZ, two of germanys most influential media outlets. So much for the "largely pro guilt pride german media".
1999 was a crucial year for "Erinnerungskultur" because Joschka Fischer, Minister of foreign affairs and member of the Green Party, justified germanys first participation in a war since 1945 by claiming to "prevent a second Auschwitz" in the Kosovo. This marked the first time that germany used it's past not to stay out of wars but to engage in "military interventions" an justify it with it's past. This important event isn't even mentioned in the video.
I have to thank you for such a valuable perspective. I love what you wrote indicates. Do you happen to have any books or articles that give a better take on this perspective?
I also think that Carefree Wandering is wrong on their take of collective guilt.
Of course no individual should be forced the blame of others however most people aren’t just individuals. We elect to be part of a community. Be it family history, a religion, ethnicity or pop culture. Any group we identify with, means that we are also partly responsible for its mistakes.
I mean it wouldn’t be fair to inherit the gifts of that group, pride, wealth, security, without also inheriting the debts.
I as an American have a great deal of gifts, A great deal of privileges. I get to be born in relative safety, I get to be born in relative wealth. I have opportunities that most of the world does not have. I have inherited those gifts and to the extent that I even could, I would not choose to give up those gifts of security and wealth a nd freedom. Yet, have no biological connection to the United States’s history of slavery or genocide to the American Indians. I still benefited from parts of it however. Both the good aspects and the bad. My parents are both immigrants. But I believe in the American vision of the world. I am buying into that shared identity. When I see the moon landing. I am proud. When I see how the us established the United Nations and helped wipe out Small Pox, I am proud. The history, the ideology, and the future of the United States is all something I deeply believe in. I identify with it.
Since I believe the ideals the United States espoused are ideals worth fighting for. Ideals. I stand behind. I am also forced to confront the hypocrisy. The evil those ideals. Have done. The pride of the United States is inextricably linked to our shames. That isn’t to say that I am ashamed to be an American. I’m both. Like they say we contain multitudes. The same thing for cultures and nations. We contain multitudes. We cannot elect which aspects of a community we inherit.
Thank you for pointing that out
They are now succeeding greatly in Gaza.
It's fascinating to me how the German Greens went from pacifist hippies to the most militaristic and pro-Atlanticist party
A follow up video on the way Austrians dealt with this would be highly appreciated because it is no less interesting and frankly just as genius. Framing ourselves as the "first victims" to Nazi Germany and subsequently creating an Austrian Identity separate from the Germans (that didn't exist in any shape or form pre 1945) is beyond genius actually.
As a Serb, this won't fly. We were mass slaughtered 2 times in the last century by Austrians, not much by Germans.
@@tantuz1128 If it wasn't for us you'd be speaking Turkish right now. You're welcome!
@dassonntagskind Austrians never missed an opportunity to side with Turks when it was needed to screw up Serbs and our fight for freedom. So, please, STFU.
@@dassonntagskind we are all speaking English thanks to both of you guys... Also no minority who was under Turkish rule spoke or speaks Turkish so you might wanna educate yourself first.
And Italians. We never had something like the Nuremberg trials. In my experience, a large portion of the population honestly believes Mussolini was a great guy who just made the one mistake of tying himself to Hitler. As a result, fascism was never truly defeated ideologically in public opinion, just somewhat hidden for a while.
Wow! Great analysis! They are really Showing again their belief in their superiority etc!
I am astonished of how well this man formed up what i had in mind into words, brilliant
I am so glad I found this channel, it has opened my mind to so many new ways of thinking. Thank you Hans Georg!
I recently discovered this channel and I'm a fan. Thank you for the brilliant analysis.
This video us a great contribution to the actual political and cultural discussions and reveals an aspect that really helps to understand better some of the craziness that's going on. Thanks a lot! As a German (living abroad today) I particularly appreciate your work.
You put into words exactly what had been itching at the back of my mind for the past year. Superb analysis.
This is brilliant analysis. I've been struggling to put into words what I see going on in Germany, and you manage to put it all together very coherently. Good work.
The guilt is “we genocided the wrong people.”
It's complete hypocrisy and the Germans know it. The majority have no guilt about the Holocaust. For them, WWII was about avenging "the Jewish betrayal" in WWI, which among other things included reneging on financial support promised to Germany by Red Shield and extremely bad surrender terms, which destroyed the economy and society and loss of land.
That was their True moment of humiliation. They tried to take on the powerful Jewish lobby and failed miserably and take their frustrations out on nations that they foolishly think won't remember and take revenge.
Part of the problem of the Holocaust narrative is although Jewish persecution and scapegoating started immediately, the actual Holocaust happened gradually as a “final solution” and mostly as the war intensified.
The historical aspect of this is German Jews were in the very least culturally successful if not financially. But the cultural success was more threatening. The reason is German Jews were concentrated in urban centers of influence.
The cultural success I would argue was the bigger issue IMO. For example the focus on degenerate art.
As it began to eclipse late 19th century romantic “Germanism” and conservative ideology.
The fact that prominent Jews were socialists like Marx or Luxemburg was also the point of contention.
Indeed that's their guilt because it was no different to the colonial wars the West and European countries were carrying out in the global South and elsewhere. They simply brought the horrors of it into their own countries, as the Nazis were born out of admiration for the way the US and the British conducted it's colonial projects.
Extremely well thought out and presented. Thank you.
I’m guilty - Love me!
*_OR ELSE!_*
@@ImpendingRiot83 Yes that is the problem. Perfectly said.
@rahulsubburaj9 you can repent. You can make up for your "sinns". Make the world a better place.
@@ImpendingRiot83 LOL.
@rahulsubburaj9 In the hope of seeing forgiveness. That's how abusers often keep their victims around: they make them feel guilty for something -often something normal or made up- and gaslight them into believing they must go to great lengths to be forgiven. That's in fact exactly why Christianity teaches people that its impossible to be sinless and that they must constantly strive to be redeemed.
Such an amazing video. I have always struggled to understand "guilt pride" and this video summarised everything so beautifully.
Thank you for expressing what I have noticed and had no name for.
For me it was super interesting that you talked about the difference between those that experienced the Nazi times and those that didn't. I've noticed that as a generalization, older generations either talked about the Holocaust and other German crimes, confronted those that denied the Holocaust, and confronted those that used whataboutism and shifting of blame for the Nazis to other countries OR they focused on non-German participation in the Holocaust, focused on Nazi leadership, blamed WW2 on the allies, and talked about German victims (especially of Allied actions).
Now it seems like its this weird combination where most people talk about talking about the Holocaust and loudly proclaim German guilt, while also using whataboutism, shifting blame to other countries, focusing on German victims, and acting superior to other countries for how they look at their history. I always thought it was funny how lots of younger Germans now a days talk about Germans only displaying the flag during football games and how that makes them better than Americans who display the flag so much. Like it's nationalism about not being nationalist/patriotic.
I agree with the fact that Germans seem sensitive to nationalism/patriotism easily seen in the example of displaying flags, but from my experience most Germans would enjoy showing the flag more and arent necessarily critical of the USA or UK for being strongly patriotic.
I think a big issue with guilt is that we are not taught how to deal with it properly. It took me a long time to understand that sometimes, I felt guilty for something that I shouldn't feel guilt for and identifying that isn't easy. For example, I have ADD and chronic depression, and when my life situation becomes difficult, my disabilities flare up and make it hard for me to function properly, which leads to me feeling guilty for not performing as well at work or being able to take care of myself, my cat and/or my apartment properly. Even when, which is often the case, my disabilities are flaring up because I am being overworked.
I think guilt is a good thing to have when we have done something wrong, but a feeling that is very often groomed into us by abusers, which I sincerely consider most bosses and politicians to be. Rightfully placed guilt leads us to apologize to those who we hurt, to offer them compensation for the hurt caused and helps us rebuild friendship or familial bonds. Doing those things should leave us with a feeling of peace, accomplishment and growth.
Misplaced guilt is an insatiable monster because, since we have no internal understanding of scale and extent of the hurt we are meant to repair, it either leads us into servility towards those who we have been made to believe we have hurt or we eventually become angry and start perceiving those we are made to feel indebted towards as being the insatiable monster (which, in some cases like in abusive relationship or a lot of workplace environments is true). Thankfully, there are also people who learn to be more introspective and instead realize they have no guilt to feel but instead compassion and/or righteous anger.
This is one of the main reasons why I wish more basic life skills were taught in schools. Introspection and emotional management, body hygiene, how to cook and clean, first aid, consent, sensitivity towards other cultures and identities, etc. are things that should be taught in school because relying on parents to teach those things is unfair and cruel towards children whose parents lack those skills, do not have the ability to teach them or are abusive.
when pressured to both feel and display guilt for something a person didn't do, and wasn't even alive for when it happened, creates all sorts of confused blame and identification issues, especially if people cannot see that this is a profile or reputation motive... so instead of perceiving the dynamics of it, they either identify with pro or anti jewishness, when the issue is to become anti-profile boosting; its the similar thing in the usa, with making land- declarations at the beginning of every academic speech, saying, this land "rightfully belongs???" to the original people who lived here, the native americans who our distant predecesdors killed... / like, what??? they have to look up which tribe lived on the land which the property of the university or college stands on, and then say, this is 'really' the land of the so- and'so peoples... 🤔 it is so fake and what is more... it is bizarre. / i doubt that any knowlege or contact with the long gone tribal peoples even existed for over a hundred years... no living memory of the mentioned tribes. yet, lets seize the opportinity to pretend? or believe that the self is guilty? or? to make the others who are listening to the academic speech, feel in a place of guilt and shame... so as to create a shared living shame? and then to feel that they must have had something to do with it? it does feel like a way to manipulate audiences; once they have been dislodged, belittled and basically told to feel ashamed of themselves, now the speaker has a strange hold on them. They have been accused!
Those parents shouldn't breed, but they don't know any better, or feel guilty for producing, ignorant, insensitive offspring.
Yes, I agree, in conjunction with ‘habits of the body’, we must be made aware, very consciously, of ‘habits of the mind’. Thus, we can learn by process, how ‘thinking’ is the cornerstone for ‘judging’. Hard work, really, not usually found in Schulstuben trading in ‘profiled’ chunks of knowledge.
@@mandys1505I’ve heard those land acknowledgements before but never felt victimized and persecuted by them like you do. Maybe it’s an issue from your childhood where you were unfairly blamed by your parents or something, that’s leading you to feel so sensitive and take those land acknowledgements so personally?
@penyarol83 oh... wrong person. you tagged me but i didnt say that
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Our Erinnerungskultur is just a token today. We sell arms since always, nothing has truly changed, only the paradigm is shifted around to make us look better...
That is partial true. Capitalists still gonna make money, but the population needs guiltpride to support this.
@@ChristianBol-p8u "capitalists still make money" ok, wtf does that mean? thats essentialy just saying "people who use money still make money", im a capitalist and so are you
@@DarkMark-cf1ec No! Capitalists are people who have the means of production. People who gain money without working. I live on unemployment money and some small work sometimes.
I don't know, if you are a capitalist, but i highly doubt it. Or do you employ people? Do you have millions of Dollars? If not, you are no capitalist.
@@ChristianBol-p8u that is not the defenition of a capitalist, if you own anything at all through the economy.. guess what you are a capitalist. you also got the monetary value wrong, as what matters is not the number on paper but the purchasing power of the person.
and no Im not a millionare, I have a few thousand for a car I plan to buy. that in itself makes me a capitalist. "wealth in the form of money or other assets owned by a person or organization or available for a purpose such as starting a company or investing." and capital-ist is a person who fallows that
@@DarkMark-cf1ec The means of production is important. Nether you nor i am a capitalist. Where do you get your definition from? I am perplexed.
We both live in capitalist societys, but we are not capitalists.
Us Germans always have to be the best in the world at what we do. Even at destroying ourselves.
currently germany is the strongest economy in europe so im not sure where you're going with this
@@JaJDoo Ah yes, the economy is good, the gdp line goes up, all is well for the economic zone known as Germany
@@JaJDoo maybe they're going with the absurdity of Germany going full into the Ukraine war and by doing that heavily damaging their own economy. And for what, for a matter of principle? "invading other countries is wrong"
While at the same time providing cover and weapons to a state that's committing mass atrocities against civilians. Which is also an invader and an occupier.
So, basically, for no reason at all. By helping Israel Germany has no moral superiority over Russia.
The only people you're destroying is Palestinians buddy
And the best at avoiding responsibility for Palestine!
That's a nice video Essay!
As a german i've always hated this 'religious' hypocracy. As you've said in the end, it is not about having strong moral values but just about self promotion.
But from experience, a lot of germans pull their self-worth from being 'the good guys' and having the wrong political stance can make you a social outcast real quick!
Good Job on the video though.
Cheers
What wrong political ideas do you mean?
@@ldm8393 critique on climate policies for example
@@ldm8393 Or being critical of israels conduct in any way, shape or form.
Allow me to call this a herd of cowards 🙂
I've been waiting for you to make this video, and it's one of your best yet
I see -- you're an identitarian who opposed Israel and supports the not sees.
Kind of amazed at how much I just learned from this video
Self-loathing narcissism.
succint
I thought izrul was trying to Sioux aside itself. Maybe they're actually going for this thing..
Globally the generation that followed ww2 seems quite deranged. I really wonder at what point we who will have to face the trying reality of earth systems collaspe stop letting their neurosis steer us towards doom
No. Basically no German self-loathes themselves for the whole thing. Did you actually watch the video?
How has “narcissism” even seeped into this? This whole trend is so concerning.
To be fair, historically; after the loss of WW1, France created Treaty of versailles; they screwed Germany over instead of helping them, and thus; New Germany was created and France again started WW2...
Imo, not supporting the Nazism but factual from researching history
wonderful explanation, made me understand more whats is currently happening, thanks a lot!
I had absolutely no idea the whole "vibe" Germany exhalates is an actual cultural phenomenon. It's extremely uncanny to know that in fact
What? "Cultural phenomenon" is literally the same thing as a "vibe" of a population.
2:25 I can only remember that joke...:
The CIA agent meets the KGB one in a bar, and says: "The propaganda you guys make is incredible, congrats, really strong stuff"
The KGB one replies: "Oooh no, we can't possibly compete with the propaganda you guys put out"
"Propaganda? Us? What propaganda?", questions the baffled CIA agent.
True story: Walter Schellenberg and his Soviet counterpart were having a drink and chatting away. After inhibitions had been reduced to a dangerous level, the Soviet guy asked: We heard that you are planning to invade us and that it's called Operation Barbarossa, is it true? Schellenberg, an amazingly fast thinker and believable liar answered: That's true, we injected that rumour in the hope that the British will fall for it. If they do, they will get comfortable, lower their defenses, go out on wild goose chases, you know Churchill, and we will attack them when they least expect it. That appeared to satisfy the Ruskie but then, Schellenberg added: We also heard about a so-called Operation Groza (Thunderstorm) is there any truth to it? The Commie went red, and said he never heard about it. Back at redquarters, the dude filed his report and Stalin chose to believe Schellenberg, felt comfortable, thought he had all his time, and was caught wholly unprepared when the Wehrmacht stormed in.
Problem: I just can't remember where I put the darn file, I have 2T of WW2 data, and terrible organizational skills but I definitely have it.
BTW, enemy spies did not kill each other and they did socialize with each other, after all, there is nothing more useless than a dead spy. Cheers.
Even their Guilt Pride is selective and does not include their colonial genocide😮 "From the river to the sea"✊🏾🇵🇸
Herero and Nama Genocide: German colonial troops in Namibia - 1904-1908
What river?
@@dirtyjack6300why do you want to know if the only river you know is the Mississippi
@@dfgt-su9kimaji maji uprising in Tanzania where 300,000 tanzanians were killed by germans
@@dirtyjack6300 Jordan river
Excellent description of the modern German mindset. It eloquently puts into words thoughts I have held for decades.
Guilt is non existent in the younger generations, its mostly german politicians who try to reinforce this Erinnerungskultur 😂
Guilt and Shame. Two most deeply powerful and controlling emotions. These seize your autonomy and your will.
Both instilled in children very early by their own psychologically damaged parents.
It has nothing to do with guilt. It's all performative. It's just geopolitics and narcissism.
Perhaps the Jews should develop a bit of guilt pride...
Not gonna happen 😂
Surely a German philosopher identifying this phenomenon becomes an exemplar of it.
- Yes, that's the paradox, isn't it? :)
9:56 “But then, what other option did the proponents of Erinnerungskultur have?”
Either it goes unaddressed by people within Germany and nothing ever changes, or somebody takes one for the team and bears the cross of mild hypocrisy in order to affect necessary change.
This man here has decided to be in the latter category and is to be commended for it.
Yes, he’s uniquely positioned to say. It, to observe it. That’s the bind, the paradox.
@@ImpendingRiot83It has been adressed in Germany again and again, so he/she at least isn't alone.
@@ImpendingRiot83 Germans who oppose this cultural phenomenon (which has been the backbone of german politics for a long time) are facing prosecution.
This is absolutely brilliant. As a German i agree 100%
This is why I follow this channel. Awesome insight!
I spent several years of my career (which involved a lot of moving about) in Germany and I totally LOVED it- the nature, the art, the music, even the crazily difficult lingo. I always found the guilt culture exaggerated to the point of being annoying and saw it as a useful tool to keep a proud people down. The developments- I should say deterioration- since the beginning of the Covid scare and the heavy handed "health" policies disappointed me, the gung-ho attitude regarding the Ukraine conflict and the silence surrounding the Northsea pipeline disappointed me further. With its position regarding Palestine Germany has plunged lower than I could have deemed possible.
Believe me when I say it breaks my heart. The only good that has come out of is that I don't miss Germany so much anymore!
The German language has the best single words to describe emotions and concepts succinctly.
Never ask a european what he thinks of Roma people
Its Slavs ,Gays ,Blacks ,Gypsies then Muslims (at the bottom). Let me know if I missed any marginalised Group 😂
In relation to christian ideas about sin, I've encountered the concept of guilt pride before, but I never made the connection to German Erinnerungskultur.
It explains SO much.
Thank you for sharing. This was eye-opening.
Fascinating, thank you so much for recording it in English for us
Learn German like me, only then you’ll appreciate your mother language, because german is such an ugly language 😂
Isn't there a function for creators to translate the audio of UA-cam videos? I think this one needs to be accessible to germans that don't understand English!
This was very insightful and really makes sense to me having grown up in Germany as a multi-ethnic immigrant. This always annoyed the hell out of me as a young person at Gymnasium (university-track high-school) and now particularly with the recent political climate.
Wer kein Englisch kann, hat es zu lernen, oder muss eben leiden.
@@keineahnung7278 Aber Englisch lernen ist ein Leidensweg (I hope that's correct; I'm an American)
@@sharkbelly1169 yeah, that sentence was absolutely correct. But learning English is way easier than learning German, French, Spanish, Italian or other languages. It's everywhere and it's important since English is the language that is mostly used in international communication. And the German education system teaches English very well. Any student who has attended school for ten years should be able to understand basic English texts or videos.
@@keineahnung7278 Fair. Although coming from English, German has been much harder for me than Romance languages (Portuguese first, then Catalan). I can't really speak Spanish or French, but I also found Latin and Hungarian easier to learn than German XD
They won’t listen. I tried that in my Verein. They still want to stick their head in their sand.
Amazing analysis, I've had some similar thoughts about all of it but never was able to put it all together like you did. Cheers!
One issue with modern Germany is that because of how WW2 ended the Germans weren’t allowed to build monuments to their dead and bombed cities. Because of this Germany is unable to move on from WW2.
Great work this! Thankyou from a German Weltbürgerin:)
It was really interesting and difficult to endure the effort of collectively repressing the potential damage this could inflict on German guilt and pride. Most media outlets immediately centered the discussions around Germany itself, reiterating the central role of German guilt and effectively deflecting the lurking identity crisis that a proper analysis could bring. It felt like a masterclass in psychoanalysis, where the disintegration of the self is warded off by keeping even the slightest hint of doubt out of the conversation.
When guilt becomes an addiction it turns into masochism.
For those interested, the closing song is by Chinese band Carsick Cars “You Can Listen, You Can Talk”. A relic of Beijing’s indie rock days that are long gone.
Lieber Professor Möller,
vielen Dank für dieses Video - es wird weiterverbreitet, auch wenn es vielen Menschen hier nicht gefallen wird aber eventuell wird der eine oder andere zum Nachdenken angeregt.
Schonmal darüber nachgedacht ein gemeinsames Projekt mit Pascal Lottaz von Neutrality Studies zu machen?
Wäre wirklich interessant :)
Having left German insanity behind me 40 years ago,
having been dumbfounded by this crazy rise of wokeism,
I applaud you for this fine analysis, that gives me much food for thought...
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FABULOUS REVIEW AND ANALYSIS. SUPER CLEAR. BRAVO AND MANY MANY THANKS.
'when will the past, pass away?'
Interestingly, in mental health one should always let go for past trauma to get healthy, yet Germany is having some love affair with its past trauma which isn't healthy in anyway
when nobody can use it for political reasons anymore
This is interesting, could you give your position on how the profiling in the US would Differ from the one in Germany? The US does not seem to have an idea of guilt in this case so coming to the same unwavering support of isral is to me paradoxical. Do we have two very different phenomena leading to the same conclusions or is there something that ties both?
I think if you take account of the American track record in the Middle East from Dessert Storm to the War on Terror there's a lot of Islamophobia in the USA. I think they've been conditioned to view Muslims (be that Iraqi, Arab, Palestinian, Afghan or other) as bad guys, because that is the only way for them to justify their own actions.
In short, if they recognise that the Israelis are war criminals, then they are war criminals themselves too.
US would have to lose some grand war, and lose it badly, to even consider any attempt at guilt pride like Germans did.
There is plenty of white guilt in the US - Jews make sure to guilt American conservative whites as "Nazis" on a daily basis even though America fought against the Nazis. It's all so tiresome.
The USA does have a thing with historical guilt. That's one of the reasons why, if you check the Pew Research survey data, you will see that the USA is one of the least proud and patriotic modern countries. However, national guilt is not official, like in Germany. The cognitive elites do believe in inculcating a sense of guilt, but if they forced it as officially as is done in Germany, too many people in the USA would freak out. And also, there is some kind of cultural taboo on the idea of "maintaining your reputation," worrying about your reputation ("worrying about what other people think about you"), and having any ethnic/national identity at all. It's not just about "being individualist," it is also about the dis-allowance of identitarianism, particularly for white people. If there is no ethnic/national identity, then it makes no sense to try to restore the sense of moral status of the ethnic/national group.
Anyhow, the point being, there still is cultural guilt in the USA. We would call it "white guilt," because people basically just hate white people, here. There also is a sense that "saving the Jews" in WWII is one of the only good things that the USA has done, and it can be a point of pride in the USA for people to protect Jewish people.
American white liberals are (((cucked))) with white guilt as can be. For anyone paying attention, they quite evidently care much more for Palestinians or diasporic liberal Jews or "LGBTQ children" or black criminals or [insert deviant minority here] much more than average Americans.
Every White person in the world needs to see this!
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Very interesting video!
as a german I totally agrre, glad somebody can see clearly what is guildpride is- Excellent . This is really important video.
Reminds me of those who say in response to people questioning the slaughter of civilians by the allies "well, then they shouldn't started the war." Who is "they?" The dead children had no say in the war starting. Some people seem to say "ah, the Nazis/imperial japan/italy were bad because of racism and war crimes" and then claim war crimes against them were fine because they were of the wrong race.
As a german I definitly understand what your trying to say. Its so got damn selfe important.
Could not be said any better. Well presented, excellent video.
This explains a lot ... and sums up lots of observations from outsiders
As a german I felt it all the time that there is something wrong with our Erinnerungskultur, but you were able to name it.
Fascinating - of a dangerous German rehabilitation project - unknown to me
Herero and Nama Genocide: German colonial troops in Namibia - 1904-1908
never heard the expression before, damn shit, it descreibes very well what the actuallized doctrin is in this days and explains quite well the astonishing attitude of official Germany towards the ongoing genocide, all in all a quite correct description
To me as a Czech, german guilt pride feels like getting spit in face after being raped and beaten up. I see it as desperate attemt to be superior no matter what, and it feels very insulting.
Also I think it's absurd when Germans try to "get things right" by their immigration policies toward people from Asia and Africa, while most damage by nazis was inflicted upon easterns states, Poles, Russians, Belarussians etc.
To be fair, "we" are still destroying Asia and Africa. Remember how we destroyed Somalia in 2006? Surely you remember the sea pirates. France is making money selling cheap nuclear energy to the rest of Europe. Why can France buy uranium cheap from Niger? Why can't Niger sell its uranium to the highest bidder? Now they can. That's why the West is fuming over Niger, Burkina Faso and Mali. Their governments have kicked out the colonizers. The West is angry because they stand between us and our natural resources.
Africa has enough natural resources to take the people out of poverty. We just won't let them. If an African government enacts laws that the West thinks threatens our interest, "we" will topple them. Ironically, Republican Matt Gaetz is the only one in Washington to ask the Pentagon why the United States is funding militants and toppling governments in Africa. The person from the Pentagon answered, because of shared values. Equally ironic, the military individuals now running Niger, Burkina Faso and Mali were armed and trained by the United States. They just rebelled. Turns out they aren't the Western puppets the West thought they were.
As for Asia. "We" just toppled the governments in Pakistan and Bangladesh. "We" told Syria in 2003 that it will face the same faith as Iraq if it doesn't break ties with Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas and Russia. We know how that ended. The list goes on and on and on. "We" have been arming p*dophiles in Afghanistan for more than half a century. It has completely destroyed the country. The Taliban (Muslim puritans) emerged as a response to this. They were greeted by the Afghans because they fought the p*dophiles. This is also why the United States was defeated by the Taliban after 20 years of war. The Taliban were hated by 90% of the Afghan population by 2003. But the Americans made themselves even more hated and made the Taliban look like the lesser evil. The United States even had as policy to let their allies rape children on US bases. www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
Only Westerners think p*dophiles are a step up from Islamic puritanism. The Afghan people don't agree. And "we" support those pedophiles because of "shared values."
An aside. The Taliban has again banned opium production, which has halved since they took power. You know, the opium trade propped up by the CIA.
As a Czech, I disagree that the current Germans owe us anything, and the point about immigration policies sounds like total whataboutism.
That Sounds weird, actually. Germany took in more than one Million people from Ukraine - ON top to the millions of people from other conflict regions. Far more, than you czechs. Calm down a bit, Mate. You can't have yout cake and eat it, too ;)
What do you think they should have done?
@@MrGamerMaximus 1. The Germans have no right to give us moral lessons. 2. It is absolutely unthinkable to erase the crimes committed by the Germans by separating Nazi and German -- as if Nazis were extraterrestrials, and by naming the concentration camps on the territory of occupied and brutalized Poland “the Polish camps”.
That would be a good start. Many thanks in advance!
Amazing content, you’ve just gained a new subscriber ✨
Incredible, important take!!! Thank you!
Fascinating video. Germany one day will look at all the phases it has done through. And then take pride in making it out alive 😅
Herero and Nama Genocide: German colonial troops in Namibia - 1904-1908
What kind of "guilt"? After unification, Germany continued exactly where it left off.
In parallel with unification, they worked on the destruction of Yugoslavia.
Supporting their allies from the time of Nazism, such as Croatia and Slovenia, and for the third time in the century attacking Serbia. The idea that they will somehow succeed in destroying Russia is still alive, as it was in ancient times. Germany and the Germans are exactly what they have always been.
Lord’a’mercy. What a complicated culture to exist in
Excellently put and increasingly perfide ❤
Wonderfully explained! Please keep up the good work!
Excellent analysis!!
Tell me you have no idea about the terms you are using without telling me directly... I'm sorry, but as a German, this is the first time I've heard the term "guilt pride," which is completely inappropriate. It's also difficult to follow the argument if you live in Germany and know a little about history. The culture of remembrance only serves the purpose of preventing mistakes from the past from being repeated and perhaps making people think a little bit about it. But this thoughtfulness is not actively pursued. People simply become aware of the grievances of the past again. In German, there is also the term "historical awareness", which refers not only to events in Germany, but to events in general. This means that one should learn from them and not forget mistakes so quickly, or seek inspiration from history. I consider it not only absolutely irrelevant to link the refugee crisis or values of tolerance with some strange "guilt pride" ideology, I consider it not only factually wrong, but also somewhat disturbing. Human values are something that the Federal Republic has in its constitution and that should be upheld. There is certainly no claim to any kind of respect. Nor is there any intention to gain respect. It is simply humanity, but its implementation often falls short in Germany. Human values are something that the Federal Republic has in its constitution and that should be upheld. There is certainly no claim to any kind of respect. Nor is there any intention to gain respect. It is simply humanity, but its implementation often falls short in Germany. Doing the right thing and assuming at least some responsibility, both as the third largest economy and as a state that, for example, stole something during colonial times and has to give it back because it is in its own museum, is simply the right thing to do and has nothing to do with supranational reputation. Just as little to do with social cohesion and identity. Freedom of expression reigns in Germany and this is particularly noticeable in the course of this. Since the video is simply factually incorrect and goes against a number of values, I will report it. An important aspect of this is the allusion to justified discrimination in the context of "wokeness". People should just be allowed to live, even if you don't agree. Live and let live. Letting live is particularly emphasized.
Very interesting psychological and political analysis explained very clearly! congratulations!
This is real thesis material turned into a short and very compelling video
If Germany was a psychiatric patient ....