Yaesu FT-450 VS. Yaesu FT-891
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2018
- Comparing the 2 radios sound quality and noise filtering. I may be talking over it a little :0 give me a break I was new to this.
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Nice comparison. I have the 450. Its my first decent HF rig built into an EMMCOM box. Been looking at the 891 to build in a manpack setup. Its good to see the difference. Thanks 73s
Thanks’ for that video.
• How a transceiver A/B comparison becomes more useful?
• Use on each transceiver, external, equal loudspeaker.
• Switch each 5 second, between transceiver A and B.
• Switch fast, between A/B (no gaps)
• Switch during the same station is talking.
• Don't talk yourself during the test.
• Use the same settings on each transceiver (BW, GAIN, FILTER...)
• Cut out on the video, search stations.
• Write the mode for this video in the content; SSB; CW....
• Use the same Antenna.
• Use an Antenna switch.
• Maybe you find some more useful settings?
Best Regards
Mark
Great comparison video! I run the FT-891 in my car. It is a great radio to use!! Subscribed as well!
Love my 891, it was my first HF radio and it's been great!
Love the FT 891. That DNR makes HF sound like the local 2 meter repeater.
I can't believe how clear it sounds,
What an excellent review, 73s 😃
Thanks David. It really is a great radio. 73
Thanks for the video . I saw one at Dayton this past weekend . Made my mind up watching this . N4UED
Oh man thats awesome! Congratulations!! Happy I could help in some small way. You're gonna love the radio. Thanks for watching and 73.
A very well comparison , on both of these Radios ! Especially seeing and hearing the difference between them !! Thanks for Sharing your radio Wisdom !!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi. If this COVID-19 situation resolves itself, I hope to go to a ham radio expo in Pordenone, Italy in late April. My yard is ideal for a couple of dipoles, and I *might* even get away with using the balcony railing on the 2nd floor of the house. In the meantime, I am continuing to live my ham radio life through your videos. Thank you!
Hey glad to help, thanks for watching.
That was a fascinating demo of DNR on the 891. I'm using an FT900 (without DNR), so I had no idea how well DNR could work. I'm often getting noise levels of S7 on 20m with my setup, so that DNR could be a real asset. Thanks for the content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think to be a fair comparison, both radios should have been played through the same speaker
Thank you for sharing. Nice radio.
Thuff Thanks for watching. I love both these radios! I love the 891 more though. Don’t tell the 450 hi hi!
Thinking about getting the 450 or the 891 , thanks for the comparison. The 891 is tiny seems to perform very well.
891 is hands down a way better radio.
Nice video. Greetings from Poland.
I was giving up the will to live, but you came good in the end. Pretty good, the 991 (I'm also a 450 owner over many years)
Not really sure what you mean but thanks for watching.
i love my 891 on my mobile.. am like listening with a music while driving..
Nice video. I have both radios. The 450d in the shack and the 891 in my truck with an atas120a. I have gotten Italy Croatia and Russia from my driveway and I have to say that the filtering on the 891 is better and sounds great. I like the large easy to read display on the 450d for in the shack.
Thanks!!! I love my olg ft-450, and i love my new ft-891!!!
My pleasure. I gave my 450 away to a young ham and it felt great. The 891 took its place and now I have a 7300 in the shack and the 891 is my main portable rig.
Excellent video Mike! I was torn between the 891 and the 450 but you sold me on the 891. I’m wanting to replace my old IC-706 (non Mk). Sorry Dayton didn’t work out. Hopefully next year. 73 de NV9Z
891 hands down is a better radio for sure. Yeah real bummer about Dayton, we were all looking forward to going. Its a great time for sure.
I have the 891 having had the 450D. 891 blows it away in terms of noise reduction. You should have your IPO on on those radios on 40m. Your S9 noise is because both radios pre amps are on.
good to know, i'm a new user of a tf891 in an urban environment and for moment the noise is horrible
I have watched a few different demos on UA-cam of the FT-891. Yours showed me exactly what I wanted to see. I am currently running an ICOM IC-7300 and a Yaesu FT-897D. You just SOLD me on this radio as my third HF rig for a dual purpose base and portable. Tnx and 73!
Good demo subaxribed 😊
What other equipment did you add
Just got my 891 this morning. Great idea about assigning DNR to its own button.Did you replace your VFO knob with a bigger one? Yours seems to be bigger than my OEM one.
Thanks for that video.
How a transciever A/B comparison becomes more usefull?
Switch each 5 second, between transciever A and B.
Switch fast, between A/B (no gaps)
Switch during the same station is talking.
Use on each transciever, external, equal loudspeaker.
Don't talk yourself during the test.
Use the same settings on each transciever (BW, GAIN, FILTER...)
Cut out on the video, search stations.
Write the mode for this video in the content; SSB; CW....
Use the same Antenna.
Use a Antenna switch.
Maybe you find some more useful settings?
Best Regards
Mark
My first POTA was on a Yaesu FT-891. Once I get my General ticket I will be getting one of them
I’ve played with the DSP on my FT450 and havent been able to get much luck pulling weak signals out any better than without the filtering turned on. I’m waiting on an FT891 to come in the mail, so this video is pretty relevant to me. I’ve been wondering how well that DNR worked on the 891 compared to my current rig. Thanks for the video!
Well I'm glad the video helped and congratulations on your new FT-891! The 450's filters are pretty useless. You will be amazed at the difference once you put your 891 on the air. It's a way better radio. Thanks for watching. 73
@@hamradiotube I was surprised to hear from a local ham that his 891 pulled weaker signals out better than his icom 7300 did! That motivated me to make the 891 my next and first portable rig. My 450 takes up a lot of space when i haul it to remote areas on my atv. Lol
@@aurtisanminer2827 the 7300 has to wide bandpass filters, thats a problem when there are stronger signals on neighbour frequencies.
Thanks Mike. It ws the DNR that caused me to purchase an 891 a week ago.
Hey thats great. This is still the best portable/mobile radio on the market as far as I'm concerned. You're going to love it.
Just came across your channel and I’m really digging it, thanks for the videos. I’m wondering what antenna your using at home for the 891?
Thanks Brett. I use a home brew 20/40 fan dipole. I have also upgraded to the IC-7300 for a base radio. The 891 is for portable.
hello friends, can you take a closer look at connecting Shure to ft891? thanks
im about to buy the 891 from dx and what antenna tuner should i use for the radio to talk on 40 meter
Well a resonant antenna is always going to be best. At home I us an MFJ 949E if I need it, but I have a fan dipole cut for the phone portion of 40/20 so I don't have to use a tuner unless I go down to the digital frequencies. When I'm portable I also use resonant antennas. Either a 20M speaker wire dipole, or a Wolf River Coils antenna that I can tune to a good SWR on all bands so I don't use a tuner for that either. It really depends on what kind of antenna you want to run. A long wire will be multi band but will most definitely need a tuner and there are many out there to handle the task. It just depends on what your situation is home vs portable. Unfortunately, there is no 1 size fits all. Over all though, an auto tuner will not have as wide a tuning capability as a manual one so keep that in mind. Although I have zero experience with auto tuners. Tom, N9YO has a great youtube channel called Anything With Wheels and he uses tuners and long wire antennas. Might be another place you can look. Anyway, I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks for watching and commenting. 73
I love the FT-891 because it doesn't have any optional modules😁
What did you need to run the sm58 with the 891? One of the best mics ever! I’m running the same setup but cant find the cable and whatever else I need. Great video and comparison too!
I'm using a Heil XLR to Yaesu plug thing. www.dxengineering.com/parts/hls-cc-1-xlr-ym It also has a female 1/4" jack that you will need for some type of PTT. I use a Heil foot switch. amzn.to/2XHd6pY Here's the cable from Amazon if you don't want to pay shipping from DXE: amzn.to/2B2ntNa
Q:
I'm wondering about the squelch on FM on the 891 & 450D .
Is it a RF sqelch? Or a. Noise SQ ? . Cause I use 6m and 10 FM I have. ICOM 706 I get so frustrated cause sq open for any little noise not a real signal .
Check it out let us know.
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and then, next FT-... from Yaesu with 2m, 70cm & 23cm band right?
If I drop the 891 down to 2-5watts or even 10watts could I use it like a QRP Transceiver like the 817/818ND, or the Elecraft KX3?! Portable op's sounds so fun but my ICOM 718 is a bit big :-D
I think the FT-891 can only be set as low as 5 watts so, it does qualify as a QRP rig. Also, most people that buy this radio use it for portable operations. Just keep in mind it draws far more current in the receive mode than the 817/818ND, or the Elecraft KX3, thus requiring larger amp hour batteries to run the same length of time as the FT-817/818ND or Elecraft KX3.
I was considering both radios (one or the other) for a 'go box.' Now, a couple of years later, which would you pick? Which has the better receiver, NB, DNR, etc.? Thanks, and 73 de W1NLJ
Hands down the 891 is a better radio in every single way compared to the 450. I actually gave my 450 away to a younger ham. The 891 is still my main portable radio and would be way more suited to a go box.
nothing I like better than a mistuned radio with a guy talking over it...
I've seen others say that using the scope mutes the audio (?) This clearly doesn't seem to be the case, do you know if that's a setting thing? Considering this as my first hf radio. Great video, thanks from UK!
Depends on which scope function you are using. If you short press the scope button it will just take a quick snap of the band. If you long press it, it will keep scanning and that is when it will mute the audio. Honestly the scope is more a novelty in this radio. Almost worthless in actuality. I never use it. However, that doesn't stop me from saying that I still think its the best radio on the market for a mobile or portable application. I upgraded to the 7300 for the shack but the 891 is still my absolute favorite radio to take out in the field. I used it as a shack radio for over a year and it worked great. I'd say go for it.
Well number 1 the 450 sounds far better than the other without any dnr engaged! You are also running the 450 with no ipo engaged on 40 which it should be hence all your noise! Try opening out the filter to wide on the 450 with ipo engaged then run the dnr at 6, how it should be and you wouldnt have the same results. The dnr engaged on the 891 is ok but sounds very very artificial. A comparison yes but not a good one in my humble opinion. Judicious use of the 450s rf gain knob will yield far better results than any dnr by the way, the use of the the 450s dnr ipo and rf gain control will make results even better.
I owned the 450 for awhile, I didn't like it. I sold it and bought the 891. IMHO I think the 891 is VASTLY superior to the 450. The RX/TX on the 891 totally kicks the 450's butt up and down the dial. Yes it's more compact and more menu driven, but the DNR on the 891 is great. I can dig out more weak signals with the 891, and I absolutely am "heard" way more on it. I've made way more contacts on the 891. The difference is NO comparison. I can get the HF signals to sound very close to VHF quiet.
You are correct good sir. I don’t even use my 450 anymore. It just sits on the desk and looks good!
@@hamradiotube I have relegated my 450 to just digital modes and leave the setup alone.
im looking at both radios and the kenwood ts480 sat for potential purchase, hard to decide I like both of these
Pretty good comparison. A fellow Ham friend Tony K9ARV suggested me to check this video out because I'm looking at buying the FT-450 from another Ham friend local. He's letting me borrow it right now.
Hey thanks for watching! The 450 is a great radio. Like I said in the video I've worked the world on it. My farthest contact was New Zealand (from Michigan)! Something like 9000 miles away. The fact that the DNR doesn't do anything doesn't bother me too much either. Signals still come in great. I hope you enjoy it.
K8MRD RADIO STUFF No problem and yeah it does seem like a really good radio so far but I've only been using it for about a week. haha
The DSP on the 450D is better than just the 450. Also, using the shift, contour, along with having the width all the way open greatly improves the audio quality and quiteness.
Dunno if its the way camera sees it but eh 450 display is really hard to appreciate as you can clearly see non active lcd components on the screen.
Oh yeah thats the way the 450 looks. Not quite as bad in person but they are there.
Nice video, I had a bit of trouble hearing what you said because that excellent little radio was booming in someones QSO.over the top of you. How is the FT-891 on CW?
Thanks. This was an earlier video of mine and audio quality wasnt quite what it could have been. I don’t really do cw so I really couldn’t comment too much but I know it has some good filters.
@@hamradiotube Thanks again for the extremely fine videos.After looking at the specifications I am completely sold on the FT-891. How Yaesu ever managed to fit all the
TX low pass filters for 160 meters through 6 meters into that tiny enclosure is beyond me.
Please keep making your videos. You are without doubt one of the very best at communicating ideas to the average ham. All the very best from N2SN (now /4 in Florida).
@@TheCrunchbird Well thank you for your kind words. The 891 is a fantastic radio. If you end up getting one you will not be disappointed. I would really like to have a second as I put mine in the car leaving me with qrp radios to play with out in the field.
The 891 in CW is pure magic, maybe the best mobile radio for CW.
What are we supposed to be listening to you or the audio from the radios can't really make out either one because you're drowning each other out. 😐
jiml40 hi Jim. Sorry you don’t like my video. 9100 other people seemed to like it though per the views. Perhaps you could make one better. Hopefully it’ll be up soon!
@@hamradiotube dude your the one putting youtube videos up, do you want to make it better? Just constructive criticism. Take a listen to it yourself. See if you don't think I'm right. Do you want subscriber's or 1 time and gone???
The number of views is probably the subject, your 👍are not many for that many views. 😎
Well I def am talking over it quite a bit hihi! I made this video just as an impromptu right after I got it. I see what you're saying though. I feel the audio on my iPhone doesn't really do much justice to this either. It sounds way better in person. I think it does show the DNR quite well though. When I'm not talking! Thanks for watching and thanks for the constructive criticism.
The DNR on the 891 is known. To be very good, and would naturally be better than even the 450 D never mind a regular 450 because of how much knewer it is. I have an 891, and I have had a 450 d. The 891 simply has newer tech. Also, you can adjust the contour settings on the 891 to boost the signal. Change the contour level in the menu to 10. Then, activate the contour and dial it down to 120 instead of the default 300. Boom, Fuller audio that's boosted up over the background.
Personally, I find the DNR in the 891 to be even a but too heavy, even at lower settings. I use it...it's excellent, but I prefer to use the RF squelch along with the contour most of the time. Oh, and that along with being away from electrical noise out at a state park. 😀
Mike are you coming to the Charlotte ham fest? W4NDK
The receive is better on the yaesu ft 891 with the filtering. Hope yaesu makes the yaesu ft 891 eventually with a tuner.
That would be another game changer. But it has to be a really good tuner. Not just a 3:1 but a 10:1 or greater so we could use random wire antennas too.
I don't know what you were mumbling? But the 891 has DSP at RF and Roofing filters and the FT450 has audio dsp only AFAIAA.
The big problem is how much current the radio draws, even on receive. With the audio turned up it's 1.5A to 2A, which is a lot.
Also the panoramic display is not 'live' rather like the old 991 (non-A version) which makes me think that the 891 is kinda a cost reduced, smaller 991 with no ATU, VHF or UHF. Still tempted for a compact radio in the car although I think the Xeigo G90S is probably more useful, and has an auto ATU, AND, have a live waterfall.
Not sure what 891 you're using but mine draws a solid 1ah on rx. Audio level does not make it draw 2ah. Trust me, that info, which I assume you are going off of the Yaesu spec, is completely wrong. The 450's filters are garbage at best, where the 891 is a dream. Both spectrum scopes are novelty on the 991 and 891, which is why I went with the 7300. I'm not a huge Yeasu fan when it comes to their HF rigs, however, since I mainly focus on portable ops the 891 is the best radio out there for that. While I have a g90 and many other hf radios, I would not recommend a g90 for a mobile rig. So what it has a tuner? So many people harp on that and I don't know why. Get a resonant antenna. If you're going to use it mobile you're prob going to be using a couple ham sticks or a tar heel/screw driver type antenna anyway. The g90 has zero filters. No notch, no noise reduction, nothing. The only thing you can do is adjust the bandwidth which isn't very helpful. The g90 is a cool radio with a fancy waterfall, and I do use it a bit, but in all honesty, it is my least favorite radio that I own.
@@hamradiotube There are two small fans inside. If the radio gets warm, for any reason, internal or external heating, they come one. Also data modes push the radio hard too. Rx circuitry, DSP, USB etc. I don't own one, I just tried one out. I agree with you, the negatives rather outweigh the positives.
Is the 891 hf only?
Well 6 meters counts as VHF so no, but its 160-6 meters.
891 has the newer dnr technology. Great rig om. Would’ve like to seen the Cw comparisons
Would love to be able to do CW. I have many many keys, and a free membership to LICW club. Just can't seem to make it yet. It's on the list of things to do I promise. I'm an Extra and a VE. CW is the only other ham radio achievement to unlock for me.
@@hamradiotube man you keep hanging around n5nu. He will get ya on the path.
Excellent video, the parts of it that could hear! Next time please speak a little louder and turn down the HF audio!
Great comparison video! 73 from Brazil de PX2Q2328
Thanks a lot!
I thought the FT891 was an FT450 crammed into an FT857 case, except FT891 is so much better sounding. The FT891 is comparable to my IC7300 - and in some ways better.
Sold my 891 for a 450D it’s just better with the antenna tuner and small size and it’s way more power efficient..
Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed it. I am studying for the Foundation licence in the UK; would you recommend the FT891 as a viable transceiver for someone new to the hobby?
I love the idea of using HAM Radio Deluxe with this. Is there any way to connect a pan adapter to use the SDR software for waterfall features etc?
Yes I absolutely would recommend this radio as a first. Unless you care about 2meters and, is it 4 meters you guys have over there? There is a way to connect it to a pan adapter but I'm not entirely sure how. Go check out Johnny's channel Signal Search. He shows a way to do it. Here's the link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/KnpQBtLI_wY/v-deo.html
You still own the 891 or have you moved on?
Heck yeah I still have it. It's my main portable radio. I've upgraded the shack radio to the 7300 though.
K8MRD RADIO STUFF how’s the receiver verses the receiver of the 7300 ? Is the yaesu sound better
Thanks for the video 73s WP4OOI
The ft891 is much better than ft450d
Can't hear you over the radio volume. Stopped at less than half way through. Try again with your voice louder than the radio and it might be worth the time.
Picking up on your sarcasm.
Too bad the FT-891 does not have a multicolour display like the FT-897D has.
uhhhh, you can dim it...I still love my 891. Fantastic radio!
swell,but what will the dnr do on weak signals on the 891where you really need it
Hint...if you want to talk..turn off the damn radio..;very annoying !
Glad you like the video.
ofcourse yeasu 891 is better
Lot of mumbling on the video and not sure what the purpose really was. Unusual as your videos are usually very good and clear. Seemed more like a stream of consciousness narrative.
The purpose was to compare the DNR of the 450 vs the 891, and to show how awesome the 891 is. This was way early in my UA-cam career before external microphones were a thing for me, hence the poor audio. And the fact that I'm mumbling.
If you would please turn down the radio so we could understand what you are saying would be great ! Can not heads or tails of what has been said. Would love to be able to here the information about the Radio. 73 AE4OY WILLIE P EM-81UF South East Georgia THANK YOU...
Sorry. It's a little too late now though. What I'm saying isn't really that important. I'm trying (poorly) to show the differences in audio quality and noise reduction of the 2 radios, so hearing the radios over me is really the point of this video. Being that I made this when I was relatively new to making UA-cam videos, I didn't have any good microphones to record. Hopefully my later videos will be more enjoyable for you. Thanks for watching though, I certainly appreciate it. 73
TURN DOWN THE VOLUME SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. TALK LOUDER, FOR US OLDER HAMS WHO HAVE LOST MOST OF OUR HEARING FROM WARS OR OTHER THINGS IN LIFE. THANKS MUCH KE7LGD.
SORRY. THIS VIDEO WAS MORE ABOUT THE RADIOS THAN ME TALKING. I'M SHOWING THE AUDIO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 RADIOS. I HAVE MUCH BETTER MICROPHONES FOR RECORDING NOW THOUGH. HOPEFULLY YOU'LL FIND MY LATER PRODUCTIONS MORE AUDIBLE. THANKS AND 73
FYI,there is NO SUCH THING as a YEASU but they do make a YAESU!
HA! Good catch, thanks.
stop moving the camera
Ok. Sorry. Thanks for watching though. This is a pretty old video for me. Hopefully if you watch any more of my videos you will see I have gotten a little better. 73. Oh give the kitty some chin rubs for me!!!
"All they do is light up this side of the radio". I stopped watching this vid the moment you said that. By the way IPO OFF means preamp ON. That's why you have that much noise. Preamp ON on 40 is ridiculous.
Glad you liked the video.
WTF? you need use IPO function! noise reduction isn't not right functionality in your video. read operation manual...
891 filters not good
Waiting for my 891 to come in. Thanks! Cheers and 73! de W3LAM
nice video. I have an 891 and look forward to portable 73 de Gary K8JCR
Right on, have fun!
Thanks’ for that video.
• How a transceiver A/B comparison becomes more useful?
• Use on each transceiver, external, equal loudspeaker.
• Switch each 5 second, between transceiver A and B.
• Switch fast, between A/B (no gaps)
• Switch during the same station is talking.
• Don't talk yourself during the test.
• Use the same settings on each transceiver (BW, GAIN, FILTER...)
• Cut out on the video, search stations.
• Write the mode for this video in the content; SSB; CW....
• Use the same Antenna.
• Use an Antenna switch.
• Maybe you find some more useful settings?
Best Regards
Mark
Thank you for the constructive criticism Martin, and you're welcome for the video. As I've said to other posts on this thread, this was an impromptu comparison when I first got the 891. Very much filled with excitement. I know there are much more scientific ways of showing this (don't even get me started on which microphone could have been the best to record the audio with!) and much of what you suggest, while welcome and encouraged, I simply don't/didn't have all the necessary means to do so. While many have pointed out "don't talk through the whole video" (I watched it after posting and I do agree whole heartedly), the objection was just a quick and simple comparison of the audio, which I believe the iPhone that it was recorded on didn't do the most justice. I would have to disagree with you on the external speaker however. The comparison is between the 2 rigs as they are. Moreover, (that just seems like a big word now) the Yaesu FT-891 has been a splendid radio to take out in the field portable and have many a QSO with. In fact, I have since retired the 450, and use the 891 in the shack as my main HF radio. As far as the more useful settings, I have found that running the 891 full out with only the least amount of DNR has been very sufficient. Lest we think the 450 is a sub par radio I will tell you I have worked New Zealand SSB with my humble 40/20 fan dipole on it. I am truly humbled and grateful for you watching and commenting on my video and appreciate all the feedback I get and hope you will continue to watch my channel. Thanks again and 73.
Exactly. Also, CW?