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I tightened the barrel and gave it a good clean ,then upgraded the bottle with the 1100 psi regulated one from best fittings , topped of with a red dot and am now getting just under 11flb with 2p size grouping using jsb pellets . Its a nice little rat stopper out to 20 mtrs
does this gun really make a set back on the trigger
I wanted one before I watched this. Now I don't.thanks Andy.
"I have tried three and they are all the same.." Good thing that something is consistent about this gun. 😊 Thanks for another good one Andy.
£500 for a plinker it’s silly money. I can’t imagine anyone who buys it would not feel ripped off. If I could only use it on tin cans, I’d buy the Crosman SBR £280 and spend the the other £220 on beer to give me a nice supply of cans to shoot at. Stay safe everyone.
Mine shoots 1inch groups, its fussy with pellets, I'm very pleased with it
Lawrence Woolf lol heard that
@@NordicMeatShield 1 in group's in your dreams
@@NordicMeatShield Which pellets are you using?
@@Bmr4life The JSB Exact Jumbo Lead Free 5.52 mm 11.75 grain ..you will be hitting spinners all day with these, what this rifle is intended for
The 1200 psi warning probably refers to the regulated pressure going into the gun. Tweak that bottle for more power, and you'll break parts inside that action. Nice trigger demo from Mrs. AAR.
You give REALLY great in-depth reviews ( unlike pretty much every other non-baselined UA-cam "review" ). I sincerely appreciate that you have taken the time to show accuracy ( or the lack of it ), and consitency ( again, the lack of it ) as well as little things like " You have to push the trigger forward ". This is easily the ** BEST ** review I've seen for this rifle, and it absolutely affects my buying decision ( which is a hard pass ).
I was seconds away from ordering this one from my local store. I decided to watch one more video on it before clicking "BUY".
I'm glad I did. Now... more research to finds something I like and is worth the price.
Now that is a good review. It covered absolutely everything.
It didn't cover everything ,he didn't say what you should buy instead of this.
I love the real virtus but this thing is terrible
The most impressive thing I saw was your extremely inexpensive, yet effective way of attaching the chronograph to the barrel. Well done!
want to refute some things.. first you can raise the energy level by using an air bottle of higher pressure, i'm using 1200 psi and getting a consistent 12FPE.. also a silencer CAN be used, the barrel end is threaded. Third and final, with the suppressor, i'm getting consistent 1 inch groups @ 50 meters. USA version
Would this mess up any seals and will this still be legal in uk
been useing my SIG VIRTUS , AND i can tell you its accurate . iam useing rws 11.9 gr . and a pellet lube .... it took a little longer to zero in . but in the end was knocking out the bull at 30 yards . the pellets where split and very flat . the power felt very good ... got to cronny next ... fitted silencer , with adaptor from best fittings ... buy this rifle its fantastic shooting ...
I have one and I can't say anything bad about it. In my country is semi auto and it's a really fun gun for plinking and/or pest control. You can customized it in everything, laser, scopes, holographics, flashlight, extra picatinny rails, etc. and of course the look is...incredible. If you want to have fun with rapid shoots practice, this is the one.
I love mine. Decked out with grip, red dot, and tacticle flashlight.
I was so looking forward to getting one. But after this review I think I will wait for something better. Great review as usual Andy
Me too my friend...
US version is really really different. Watch it on Airgun detective type in the same pellet gun name.
Same here. The problem is the British Gun Law. I am pretty sure this gun looks completely different in the US. By the way, what kind of stupid solution is that trigger mechanics!? I could understand the modification if it was really a 12 foot pounds weapon. But it is not. But even if that was the case, I would rather have to reload the gun with the charging handle all the time than doing this ridiculous finger motion every time.
But that is just me probably...
@@mja9700 I saw that review and he just used the C02 and didnt do the PCP mod but it was only doing 4.5ftlbs.
AlbeeSoaring I just enjoy shooting BB and pellet guns basically it's cheap clean and still legal. I don't shoot over 50 yards range even with my HPA PCP.
7:00 This is because it regulates the pressure so you can have more in the tank to have more shots but at 1100psi
Yes you can put a can on the front . The muzzle break is removable and you can put a silencer on the rifle no problem !
@josh langley in the USA maybe . I don't think they let you mess with that in the land of the white wig . As far as I know you can't screw with barrel length on any of these repeater PCP much without changing the pressures and valve stuff so I would stay on the side of not messing with it . If you want a shorter one they offer a C02 version in a shorter configuration I believe .
@@handlesarefeckinstupid It is if you pean it .
I have this model, and I'm working on all the issues that this test and review has revealed. I think some silicone lubrication in the belt channels inside the magazine might help lighten the trigger pull. Maybe faux moderator encasing the petal muzzle break might add a little weight to resolve some inaccuracy and social unrest in these uncertain times. Ive encased the air tank in a padded sleeve that conceals the manometer. Topped with a red dot scope and built in laser it looks like you wouldn't want to argue with anyone holding it.
The muzzle break does unscrew, but its not 1/2" standard screw thread.
I love your videos and I find them extremely entertaining. As an American I am fascinated by some of the issues you address and things you mention and consider because they are things that never even crossed my mind before.
While I do adore my firearms I also am a fan of air guns (not classed as weapons in the US even my .22 cal that tosses 20gr pellets over 1200fps) for essentially all the reasons you mentioned in your why airguns video. So keep it up I do really enjoy watching your videos they are both informative and entertaining.
At my air rifle club a friend of mine brought one of these in after a three month wait to get it ,he got the same results at 25yards so I know he will not recommending it to anyone
I got the sig mpx one and it’s great, every gun has its strengths and weaknesses.
But I would. It that model for pinking in the back yard for fun.
This was the most disappointing airgun I have ever bought. In fact, it was so terrible that I destroyed it, I didn’t have the courage to resell it.
First, it jams a lot, depending on the pellets. And when it jams it’s really difficult to take of the mag. The less problematic pellets were the H&N Field Target Trophy. And yes I used the provided tool to sit the pellets.
Second, the trigger weights a ton because it has to move the belt with the pellets. That would affect accuracy if the gun wasn’t already inaccurate.
Third, total lack of accuracy, up to a point that even at 20m you will get the most terrible groupings, with shots as much as 15cm apart. And that happens because the pellet holder in the belt has four interior protrusions to fix the pellet by cutting into it!
This has to be the most stupid decision you can make in any type of gun: Change the shape of the projectile when loading it.
Fourth, it’s made of really cheap plastic, I broke the butt pad just by over tightening it a little bit.
I have no idea what they had in mind when they produced this crappy toy.
Every single customer should be refunded and compensated for the terrible experience
It’s true I have one too
reccomend anything alike but better uk legal?
You can use the charging handle to make it a one stage trigger
@@PhantomX786 the crosman DPMS SBR is an awesome fun gun run by co2 or the crosman armada if your looking for a pcp!
Classic 'Style over function'
As a consumer journalist myself, I've got to applaud your honesty there Andy. I was also excited about this thing. Sure it wouldn't take Werner Von Braun to sort a trigger-spring but... oh my Siggy aunt! I guess it's nowt to do with the barrel, but the loading/shifting-belt system must have air blowing out all over the show. When all the best airgun manufacturers have retreated from trying to make an accurate semi-auto airgun, consider it a message sent. Had I shelled out £500 I'd have a seriously Sauer taste in my mouth.
Steyr appear to have managed it with their hunting 5 , but it do'es cost a lot more .
I think thats more due to the available markets being smaller than those for a bolt action. Also because a semi auto airgun would require a double action trigger to operate the bolt which wouldn't be as good as the triggers in bolt action guns.
Ofc the trigger is the smallest cause of accuracy issues in this gun. But if you could do it with a regular bolt gun running a similar mag system you could get some excellent potential out of it.
Andy,
Very accurate review (the only thing about this rifle that is 'accurate') - I have one, and it is a disappointment.
The butt pad has cracked at the top (too much pressure on it when you tighten it against the bottle.) NOT a warranty issue they say.
Remember SIGs strapline "shoots like a SIG, because it is one"
Oh dear.
And - it's LOUD - as you say, if you can't fit a silencer|moderator, you will scare off any quarry, not good if you can't hit it.
Thanks for another great show, Andy.
Nice review Andy. That trigger resetting thing must be something for the international or UK market. Several other reviews I've seen on this gun show the trigger just being squeezed consecutively to fire shots. There's no trigger reset step involved.
I'm here two years later and my immediate reaction to this is that semi-automatic air-rifles are totally legal in the UK. It's FULLY automatic air rifles that are not. What a weird trigger that is.
Hi Andy , Iam one of your biggest fans . But today Iam dismayed 😩 about this Review today . You don't seem to like anything about this Rifle ? .
I tried to buy one 2 weeks ago through a friend in the trade ? But they where sold out everywhere ✅ Next batch available is May ? . So why are they selling out fast if there a load of Rubbish ? ... I have SIG SAUER P326 Pistol , after first using it I found it to be pellet fussy 😭. It using the same belt system . But when I got the right pellet ! Boy did that change things , more power and accuracy. Please give this SIG RIFLE ANOTHER REVIEW, AND WHEN YOU GET THE RIGHT PELLET, let's see those figures. I love and appreciate all Air guns /rifles and find this review out of sorts from you Andy . I love the looks and potential of the rifle . Thank for your Review . Cheers Simon ....
Not sure what Andy has gotten wrong, it's the third review I've seen of it (1 of an American version and 2 UK versions) and they have all made the same conclusions. Great for plinking but inadequate for hunting. Sure you may find a pellet to group slightly better but there's not much you can do regarding the low power. I also cannot see how the belt mechanism can ever be as accurate as a pellet that is probed into the barrel.
Reeves airgun channel has done a series of videos on his UK Sig and tried various ways of improving it which sounds like a good watch for you if you haven't seen it already.
I hear Sig are already working on improvements so maybe wait for MK2? Anyway good luck in your search and hope you have better luck if you get hold of one.
James Killala thank you for the info , will check it out . Yes I would never take the Sig hunting , it's not for that . I have many uther Rifle for that . Maybe I will write to Sig and ask them ! Why they got the PCP so wrong ? Iam still friends with Andy , just bought one of the AAR jackets it looks and wears fabulous. Have a good day .. Si
I'm presuming that SIG aren't fussy about the quality of rifle they've allowed to be made under licence by this maker. Shame, as you say the P326 and my M17 appear to be on another level but this may be due to a different licenced maker. Perhaps as the pistols are used as training models in the US forces and law enforcement then they had to get those models spot-on.
Nick Bea Hi , thank you for your comments. I wonder who made the Sig Virtus ? It would be good to hear whot Sig have to say about points raised. I wonder when they might up date the PCP ? I think the barrel need changeing ? . Yes the Sig pistols a fab
Love mine but I agree the power is dissapointing. The repeat facility & feel of a real rifle is great though.
Have been watching your channel for a few months and love it great content entertaining very informative will be getting back into air rifles as soon as we're back to normal thankyou for keeping us sane all the best stay safe . 👍
That grouping, looks like Stevie Wonder has had a go with a machine gun, the only safe place to stand seems to be in front of the target, and SIG need to read from the same page, looks like marketing and testers don't talk to each other to me anyway.
Once again very informative, I won't be buying one now, you saved me £500, might add some to it and get a Air Arms S410 now.
AA s410 I love mine it would be a great experience for you iv had mine for over 15 years and stil puts a smile on me face
👍👍👍😜🦄🏴🎣😁🤞✌️
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I did reply before but I edited my comment then discarded it by mistake 🤤
Anyways this is my airarms s310 made around 1996 shot today over a fx crony with airarms field 8.4 grain pellets, it's doing around 10.5 fpe with these but its does 11.5 with 10.6 grain pellets anyways for a 25+ year old gun I'd say that's quite good and you will get the exact same result with a s410, s510 and it too will last 25+ years if looked after of course, the sig on the other hand is trash straight from the box and will definitely be in landfill in 25 years if not 3.
I would go with a quality made product every time rather than mass produced more or less plastic toy
Yep get the tdr..
@@chopperhehehe You're comparing a single shot bolt action to a belt fed semi auto. Your gun cost twice as the virtus in the US. I'll stick with my Virtus for slinging lots of lead in my indoor range. It's perfect for that.
its steel bbs... this is perfect for ratting
I got one of these when they first came out and unfortunately only saw your review after the fact and just stumbled upon this review again so thought I'd have another watch.
My Virtus is now currently in bits, as i had to dismantle it after it blew up internally.
I will be ( attempting ) to sell the magazines, pellet belts and bottle in an attempt to recoup some money on this absolute piece of trash.
After the trigger on my Benjamin Armada literally sheared in half at an appallingly positioned grub screw after a slight knock and a ridiculous lack of parts or customer service from crosman, I have vowed never ever again to purchase a US made air rifle. £1500 of air rifles, and no air rifles.
One day hopefully I will have a brocock ranger xr or an s510 tactical.
One day.
Keep up the good work with the channel and the quality content Andy.
I only bought my walther ppq M2 because of your review and then you went ahead and showed me the glock gen 5 t4e. I was sold as soon as you rattled the damn thing.
It would seem as though the British model and US model are different. My buddy has one that does amazing
I have not only fitted a adapter for a silencer with good effect, but also run the bottle at 1500 PSI with no ill-effects noted at all! Thus the gun is very adaptable, and Up-powered still remains accurate.
The 1200 psi is the regulator pressure ,the 2-3 thousand psi is the bottle pressure
The semi auto function on the US version simply has a second spring in the trigger much that is missing from ours. There is one but not the secondary. Place a secondary, and you have that function return as it's simply removed via the removal of that secondary spring.
For anyone on the fence about getting one, id say get it. Got mine a few days ago and I couldn't be more happy with it. Feels really well built and good quality, plus putting accessories on it is good fun. This air rifle is much more than just a back garden plinker. One more thing, the charging handle is fully functional and the gun won't shoot without using the charging handle. I know a lot of people say it's just for show which confuses me, because its simply not. You can de cock the virtus PCP by pulling back the charging handle, then pulling the trigger and letting go of the charging handle. Hope this has helped at least someone :)
Erm, how is an 8ft/lb gun that is innacurate at reasonable distance anything more than a backyard plinker? Couldn't hunt anything with it, couldn't pest control with it, couldn't target shoot with it, what is it good for other than plinking?
Just for info the muzzle brake unscrews revealing a 1/2UNEF thread. Best Fittings now make a 1/2UNF converter to fit most air gun moderators. I use a Weihrauch mod and it is much quieter. I agree it’s a plinker but does offer a saving over CO2, and is much more accurate than my old MPX.
JUST SO YOU KNOW IF YOU TAKE OFF THE MUZZLEBREAK THERE IS A 1/2X20 UNF. I HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH THE BASIC RANGE POWER AND QUALITY. I HAD TO TAKE IT APART TIGHTEN ALMOST EVERY SCREW AND LOCK TIGHT IT. THE CLEAN IT AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER. AND IT WAS ACCULLY VERY VERY ACCURATE. IT IS AT BEST A 1-1.5 INCH AT 50 . I DID SEE A FLUX IN ANYWERE FROM 505 TO 556. I TOOK OUT THE POT METAL BEVEL WASHERS AND PUT HIGH QUALITY ONES IN ITS PLACE . IM NOW AT A FULL 1200 PSI AND GETTING 625-635. WITH JSB 14.3 AND A RESPECTFUL 570- 600 IN JSB 15.89. IT NEEDS WORK AND THE QUALITY CONTROL HAS TO BE TOTALLY WORKED ON. I WISH AND HOPE THAT I CAN UPGRADE IT TO 20-25 FTLBS. AND REPLACING THE BARREL ALSO. GREAT JOB AND KEEP UP THE WORK
Hellyea! I know it has potential.
I just want this rifle just because I love tinkering my airguns.
Perfect target PCP rifles do not really appeal to me..
You can twist the end off it to add a silencer
I got the Sig MPX airgun, it's really nice and alot of fun! Was considering this rifle before the review, but after seeing what the trigger is like, that's a deal breaker for me. Sig MPX upgraded with PCP tank is a much better deal!
this is some "UK Spec"(its visual on the box..) version and this review is very misleading for everyone that lives outside the UK. I am from eastern Europe and my is full semi-auto with 630+ fps.. and to be honest I have more fun with it than with my other more powerful PCP rifles.
I am not sure what is wrong with the accuracy of this version of the gun but I can hit a bottle from 40m+
US version is just over 12ftlbs with correct trigger action and half the price .
Says it all really.£500.00 LOL get a grip.
i really envy the US gun laws, sucks living here in that regard. Even with a criminal record I could still get powerful and bad ass airguns there...
@@Meloncholymadness yup...you could buy an airforce texan....a Quackenbush (.45) ...all airguns are not firearms here....
How much is that in us $ ?
@@fairfax_fran5106 about $750.00
Eman Tide. Yes we get ripped off for everything in the UK.
Every shot requires you to change the position of your hand it doesn’t shoot straight it’s got no power. SIG made such a big deal about this and what a huge disappointment.
Am liking the magazine idea, will give it a year or two for more of better quality for hunting to come out, looking at this as more of a prototype for airgunning atm,looks nice but thats it, that 30rnd mag on a decent 40m accurate 12flb gun would be nice at some point.
Yea. I think Sig is actually going to release a gen2 version of this one at some point in the future.
I saw a lot of complaints regarding reliability of these MCX replicas. Plenty of reports stating their seals go frequently, jam and have issues with internals going bad without any ability for Sig to send replacement parts. Some guys were on their second or third gun after just a few hundred rounds. I love the tactical look, even if it’s just for target shooting for fun, but such a price point I would expect some pretty decent quality control. Especially so when the likes of Gamo can offer such solid and well performing budget PCP’s like the GX 40/250.
after your very interesting review it would not be for me but i did buy the sig sauer m17 after watching your programme and i am very happy with it very accurate and very realistic thanks for your reviews as i am new to your programme thank you
I've found my Virtus to be very pellet sensitive, when I first used it with JSB Exact Jumbo it was all over the place, the groups looked like I was using a shotgun! It was so bad I sent it back to get it checked. However when I got it back and tested several different pellets I found the best and most consistent where H&N Sport Field Target Trophy 14.66g & Accupell F.T. 14.66g with inch groups at 20 yards. Trying the RWS Hobby flat head the group was more consistent but the zero was way off where both the H&N and Accupell where. Energy with the 14.66g is 9.2Ftlbs. In essence I've found it to be very fickle with ammo. Not the rifle I hoped for but fun none the less.
Yes. These Sig belt mag rifles are quite picky on pellets. So many fifferent sizes, materials and shapes makes one to go thru lots. Hope you just find a pellet that is quite easy to get and not too expensive.
H&N FTTs killed mine.
@@Steve-yl6wv What happened?
@@chedworth64 Pass. My first one just jammed every pellet or two so I returned it. The replacement was fine for three mags of vermin and accupels. Thought I'd treat it to H&N FTTs. It jammed on the first pellet. Wouldn't shoot anything after that. So took it back for a refund. Bougt an Artemis P15 instead. Far better rifle in every way but looks. Not looked back.
It's a shame because with all Sig's promises I've been lusting after one of these for a year. I'm saving for a Steyr Pro X. Only £2500.
Have you seen comment couple before yours about fixing something on the mag and inside the gun for better accuracy and consistent power?
I have the MPX CO2, similar gun but more of a extended pistol than a rifle. Obviously I use it for plinking and target shooting at 20 yards. I surprises me that the PCP (MXC) is so inaccurate as my MPX is very good with an added red dot. Very good review though. To me £500 could be spent on a much better PCP, take the SMC Vista Alpha that you reviewed. £400 and then spend £100 on a decent scope you have a remarkably good set up. Big Dan's review is also a good review of the SMC.
Yea. I think the MPX is pretty badass. Got the MCX myself - but I would not now mind owning the MPX model also. I think the shorter MPX inner barrel also might be a bit better made - just because it is a bit shorter one. Just a hunch though. If I by hand push a pellet thru my MCX inner barrel using a stick/rod - the pellet moves lighter thru the mid section of the barrel. Probably a result of the manufacturing process of a longer inner barrel. A perfectly same sized bore all the way thru would possibly be the best..
Fantastic review as ever Andy, glad you are still soldiering on in these difficult times. It gives us all something to look forward to on a Friday. All the Best.
Good review as usual👍, it was good to hear you tested three of them to confirm it is a good looking fun plinker for the Walter Mitty brigade and definitely not a serious hunting rifle.I guess you wont be getting a Christmas card from Sig though😄,..honesty is always the best policy.
Another awesome honest review video! Thank you!
-I have waited and been wanting this rifle for a long time now. Waiting for the newer upgraded issue of it coming out on the market before buying it.
I have owned the co2 MCX for several years and loved it (despite all of it's flaws). Videos since this Virtus came out has shown this has given mostly about 8-9fpe (or at least the UK version) and that it has not even nearly been as accurate as the hunting rifle styled PCP rifles. Does not surprise me though, since being a long time owner of the old co2 model. Parts and fittings within are not as accurately manufactured on this one as on target PCP rifles. Personally do not recommend a bipod long way out on the front handguard - but if, then lighten up the rifle by the grip. The barrel is quite long, is not fitted into place that long within the main body and the thin plastic handguard I believe does not much support the barrel either. I personally shoot only up to 20 meters with my co2 MCX - and I would not go any much further away with this one straight-out-of-the-box. The style/looks of this PCP does not really either imply this is a hunting rifle. Personally just want a military styled, sub 25m paper plinking rifle that does not cool down as the co2 MCX does. If this Virtus can shoot more consistent than the co2 version for several magazines without remarkably dropping in power - and even AS hard as my co2 MCX shoots it's first 5-10 shots - then it is all enough for me. Never thought these to be match target airguns - but yes, still is fun to use them as such either way.😁 Do get 2cm groups with my co2 MCX with a red dot from 15 meters with the 10 first shots (then power starts dropping - and fast, with 12g cartridges and adapter. Slower power drop with 88g cartridges)..
Well, I have just watched this review and it has served to confirm what I already thought about this rifle. Admittedly it is a "Marmite" rifle, some will love it for its looks and accept its implied performance stats but I for one will not be adding the Virtus to my collection. I think it will serve to reinforce the "Rambo Wannabe" veiw that the a large section of the general public already hold of serious airgun and indeed FAC shooters.
Fantastic unbiased review delivered in the quality format that we have come to expect from you. Keep up the good work and Stay Safe
I have the mcx co2 sig and I love it for pest control!
Shame, I was considering one of these, but like some of my ex-girlfriends from many years ago, they looked good, but....well, you can guess the rest
Take a ride across the border...
Facts! 💯🤙🏽
You could fit Magpul bits to the m-loc front rail, picatinny rails etc' Very expensive for what it is, I believe Sig put it out in the US for $300US., nearly £500 over here, crazy.
I am very satisfied that the seller I ordered mine from canceled my order, and I instead purchased 2 300 bar bottles and various china regulators, then bottle fed my Marauder pistol to 12 FPE range and superb accuracy. The 2nd bottle and reg setup went on the Air Force Escape UL. Yes I am happy with my purchase ;)
I shot one of these at the British shooting in February and I hit every thing I pointed it at. I bought one and at first was a little disappointed with it out the box but I had just bought the artimis pp750 which had blown me away with how good it is and I was not expecting much from that gun. The sig needs to be set up right ie right pellets and scope and making sure every pellet is seated right in the belt but once you get it right it shoots pretty well its no hunting rifle but for basic target and pinking and even speed plates it's lots of fun. The trigger is easy to adapt to once you get the hang of it. You can fit a silencer to it I have one on mine but becareful as at the factory they are put on so tight you can unscrew the barrel I had to use grips to remove mine I've been told the UK distributor has complained about this and newer batchs should be easier to remove. I see this gun more like a project and once you get it right it's lots of fun.
Co2 pistols are more accurate than that "pig in a poke",and half the price!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎
Whoa just realized how lucky we are here in the US - we don't have a trigger that sticks like the UK version. For us its true semi-auto. Sorry Brits, its your laws!
Your so right I thought living in CA was bad
Wish i knew that first!!!
I changed my mind twice today. Now I am buying it. If the trigger restriction is only good for England, then we're good in CA (I thought it was a pinky state, but there are worse)
@@remeslo I am in CA too, yup no sticky triggers!
@@OmarDelawar what about the rest of negative comments?
I love mine to be honest.. looks awesome..feels great..it is LOUD..
josh langley - hey josh, I haven’t mod’d mine at all to be honest and its hard to shoot in the back garden so much during lockdown as its so loud and may freak the straights out..
josh langley hey man let me know if you know of any mods i would be really interested anyway...
Hmm, not sure why my comment was removed. All I said is that the US version is indeed 12 ft/lb. and it's important for the viewers to know. It's accurate (less than 1" grouping at 40 yards) with the predator GTO pellets.
Hi, not sure, youtube usually filters out to delete for a couple of reasons.
either inappropriate language or links to other UA-cam material.
but this comment doesn’t have either of those issues? thanks for watching and thanks for your comments.
@@AAROnair My original comment did have a link to another UA-camr testing this rifle (but the US version) and proving it was 12 ft/lb.
Thanks for the reply.
you can add a moderator to the gun to quite it down . you just have to buy the adapter.
mine loves hades - I can plink away at spent shot gun cartridges all day at 30m, also the regulator is easy to get to and you can get different regs for it up to 120 bar
Try the predator gto pellets
it seems like a true semi auto pcp air rifle that could use actual attachments ("military style" as some might say) would be at the top of manufacturers priority for an air gun to make. many people want a small game end of the world survivalist's rifle. pcp so virtually unlimited ammo since for a few bucks you could have thousands of pellets an or cast your own. light weight (again cause ammo is nothing), strong enough and accurate enough to hunt various small animals but still powerful enough to deter a rabid dog or something after a few shots. Closest one ive seen so far is the hatzan invader
Oh man, the gun is so cool and reasonably priced.... Almost went to see it, but this test proves it's useful only for backyard plinking.
Also the flash screws off so you can put a silencer on and the hand rail is m-lok so you can easy fit a laser etc
Another great review Andy. 👍
It would be interesting to discover if the inconsistency in accuracy is down to:
a) pellet deformation due to loading system;
b) barrel issues, or;
c) not enough power causing the rifle to be more pellet fussy.
Or, all of the above!
Personally, and even though only CO2, I'd rather have the Lee Enfield replica - even if just for nostalgia.
probably the due to lack of power and the loading system mate :/ its a pitty really as this pcp looks absolutely amazing and could easily trick a new shooter into thinking looks=performance. such a shame
I just got one as got sick of airsoft prity quick. It’s very accurate at 25/30 meters. But always fall back in my FX to finish the day or night off. Thanks for the video as I was thinking of sending it back for a faulty trigger but you helped me realise that’s how it’s made. Thanks Andy.😁
I have the same gun and it doesn’t have that trigger problem as fast as I can pull the trigger is as fast as the pellets come out
I'd still have second thoughts about buying this even if it was half price.
Put a spring behind trigger this way it doesnt get in the way of anything. It will sit behind trigger
Barrel is threaded to so you can put a can on it
You should get a ninja v2 regulator on the air bottle which puts out 1,100psi unlike the stock regulators that come on cheap HPA bottles that only put out 850psi
Another great and honest opinion of this air rifle cough cough stay safe Mr and Mrs AAR
I think what they mean by max 1200psi is the max regulated pressure and not the bottle pressure. You could attach a carbon fibre tank filled to 300bar as long as the regulated pressure is bellow 1200psi.
Over here in America, the trigger is truly semi - auto, even rapid fire, so no having to pull the trigger back; it's much more accurate compared to your grouping range, as you suggested it would be without having to cock the trigger, not to mention much stronger, say about mid 600 fps, atleast on a fairly nice day.
Very complete review, Thank you. I like the belt fed mag, the accuracy and power level, are unacceptable..............
I just bought an actual mcx virtus 11.5
Shame that quality doesn’t carry over to this
Jeremy Clarkson of airguns. I enjoy your videos good sir!
I think I’ll go with the normal mcx 177 with moc silencer its much more accurate, but great video fella 👍🏼
got mine new for less than 199 euro's, still a great gun for backyard shooting. and like you said, its more accurate
And it’s real semi auto
i got one and i love love love it. Never an issue
Still shooting consistently with the aforementioned tweaks and additives, 1500psi seems to be its sweet spot at approx 12ft/lbs. try it bloke, and let me know...
You could also your a ring to the trigger allowing you to pull the trigger forward in-between shots
Also, as an over of this gun in the USA. I never would have paid $500 US for it. So 500 pounds for your limited version is a huge no go.
I got rid of some rats with this one. It does the trick. Accuracy not a problem.
Great reviewer and appreciate it.
Maybe 3D print a little ring for your finger to snap on that trigger? So you don't have to move your finger behind the trigger and you can just move it forward still on trigger. do it somehow big and you could have the original trigger and nothing on your finger. Itstill isn't semi-auto, but more comfortable than getting the finger behind it everytime.
I wish I saw this video first . I guess It will be a plinker . I originally thought it would be great for a follow up shot on small game but I probably won't even try at all
Depends so much upon what people want.
I've been wanting this one so bad ever since I first heard of it...3 years back now? Geesh..
It should be marketed as a fun gun and priced that way like the Umarex mp40 co2 two hundred quid ish lots of fun and does what it says on the box .
Hi Andy found your channel a few days ago . I've never had much interest in airguns up until I discovered your channel . I had an air rifle some years ago when I was in my 30'S which I won in a competition in air gunner magazine . Up until this year I was a shot gun man so I sold the air gun not long after I won it . My interest has been awoken since I saw your review on replica Glocks and other pistols . Now I'm well hooked and looking into buying my first multi fuel blowback pistol. Not many things get my heart going at a fast rate now days but at turning 58 last week your videos , humour and great way of showing the ins and outs of the airgun being reviewed certainly do. So as soon as we can get out the house again I'll be getting the mrs to take me on a trip to Drappers to get my new toy lol . So thanks Andy for the great channel keep up the great videos . ( Ivan )
Would be interesting to see an updated review on this - Sig later corrected most of the issues their first few runs of these had. Both myself and a friend of mine picked up the newer version of this and we've both had fairly good results with them. Still not target rifles, but they definitely do have a decent punch to them and will reliably knock out soda cans at 40 yards using a cheap red dot sight. My use of the imperial system probably also gives away that I'm in the US - it's worth noting that the US version of this rifle does not require a manual trigger reset, and it feels much closer to a true semi-automatic rifle. The round feeds in the first stage of the trigger pull instead of in the reset.
Did they updated version get rid of the parts that are just for show (like the charging handle) or did they give them some functionality? Also, are you using a US version that doesn't require manual reset, or is the one shown in the video the same for both countries? I'm thinking of getting one myself
@@RectumRavager The charging handle does have limited function - when you first screw on your air tank, the charging handle pressurizes the regulator, but until you take the tank off and put it back on you don't need the handle.
I do have the US version as I live in the US, there is no manual trigger reset. It behaves like a semi automatic rifle.
@@MrTitanicfanatic2 Mine is on the way, I needed +25 round capacity to do some drills I have in mind. Accuracy is secondary in my case
So let me see - I get a SIG MCX in .22 rather then the old .177 which goes for about +200€ stock. Add 30-40€ for the paintball PCP tank with 1200psi reg and the 25€ Bestfitting 88g CO2-to-paintball adadpter. Given on top that you guys in the UK got the trigger return spring taken out, ouch. [IT JUST A MISSING SPRING - replace it properly] The 1200psi limit dates from the originals system still, they haven't beefed it up at all therefore. That is enough in an efficient PCP to get to UK legal limits for sure but yeah, 12ftlb ain't that much anymore. Here again the internal revolving belt system is taking its price in misalignment as gape between belt chamber and barrel. Which is also cause for the lack in precision with the CO2/PCP MCX-systems - just using one chamber of the belt that is lining up well to barrel to shoot groups, it helps a lot.
With my .177 MCX I don't care that it sprays its pellet a 25 yards across a mini ipsc target - but I wouldn't get me this one with all it downsides.
Man, always great videos,,, Why doesn’t anyone including you show how to fill the air in these things?
Right
Thank you for letting us beginners know about this rifle.
I was seriously interested in the Virtus when it was announced but as soon as I heard about the trigger, doubt began creeping in. Two of the three that arrived at my local supplier had to be returned within days because of various faults . Sorry Sig Sauer, there's no way I'm spending £500 on a plinking rifle. Halve the price and I'd consider it.
I was eye balling this. Really like the trigger mechanism after using the artemis p10. It's a absolute piece of from this in depth review. Never looking at it again. Thank you.
Love the idea of the PCP. BUT it does not live up to expectations. I would choose the Canebrake instead and save myself £100.
Instead of using an elastic band to reset the trigger (which would look ugly, and get in the way), couldn't you fit a spring behind the trigger?
Thank you for the great and honest review of the rifle - just cancelled my order, and a new subscriber too.
It would be interesting to know if the recent Mk2 version is a significant improvement. At the moment, the Canebrake CO2 looks vastly superior.
The Canebrake is quite similar to this one actually. Almost same internals. But I do think the Canebrake might have gotten a better barrel setup. Get the Canebrakebifbyou can - I would, whenever got the extra money.
I do love my Virtus though. Yes, not that accurate. But I did get a 10cm/4in group from 53meters - and I'm pretty happy with that already.
You have to precharge the cylinder before fitting to the receiver.
I got one and I love it. It has power to push those pellets out with some force. Love the freedom here in the US. You get what you are allowed in the UK which is that peace of as you say rubbish.
The old Co 2 versions from 2016/17 had a rifled barrel and if you brought the hpa conversion kits from best fittings you can get the rifle doing a nice ten and a half of foot pounds and the trigger works without the need to push it forward after each shot, looks like this is going to be a bit of a flop for English Market in my opinion.