Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. The 'sponsor time' intro had me chuckling 😂Kindly consider making a film noir short film. I know you guys would crush it. Do it! The World needs it!😊
I think black and white is a perfect way to watch movies changes continuities where characters come off the page It is one great perfect way to watch a live action movie to experience the book world just like you never seen it before it is a perfect way to watch movies I grew up watching black-and-white then since the Three Stooges came out as a TV series From modern-day Nomar from classic Noir I like watching movies to both ways in color in classic black and white. You can tell the difference between a book world It is very cool
First off, you guys are off the chain!!! Film Noir is definitely a style. As a photographer I use the film noir style of shooting from time to time to dramatic effect. Anyway I enjoy your videos and I have learned a lot about lighting in the process. Thanks for what you do.
RAHUL JIMMY Ryan and I had a small chat on Twitter, and i mentioned bringing back those comedic sketches within tutorials. He said there will be plenty more soon. Today's episode reminded me why I love Film Riot in the first place.
That Shot at 2:11 is simply amazing! I loved the lighting brushing on the shoulders and the chin & bottom lip nicely lite. Could you please explain the lighting placement and the diffuser angle to the subject? Thanks in advance.
The second I finished this video, I opened Fade In, and started writing a noir, oh my god it's so stylized, ur tips are awesome, and will help a lot with he noir I will attempt to create
Great episode guys. I'm liking the simplicity of the noir style. .and animatics [if you ever cover this one] and the silent film look [with over cranked camera]. Thanks for sharing guys. It's inspiring. I want to make all of these mentioned.
Okay. No joke I JUST finished uploading my noir film and I went on this channel yesterday to see if they made a video like this but knowing my luck they planned it so I couldn't use this knowledge. for real tho great video guys
I like using UV lights for film noir and b&w scenes in general. If ur scene has white fabric, especially on ur talent, once u apply the b&w filter in post u get really crisp black to white contrast.
I'm sad that you didn't go through the process of adding the moon to the background. I'm mostly curious if you composited it in After Effects or just did it in Photoshop. You got a nice, natural shine hitting the top of those buildings and the water in your final shot. In the image you chose for the cityscape, there is a lot of light from the buildings that's hitting the water (unlike your final shot that has a much softer reflection). The moon is that extra soft aspect that really sells the shot. Like you said, it's all the aspects of a shot (lighting, wardrobe, angles, etc.) that really sells the final product. That's why I'm a little sad that you didn't cover that small detail. All that to say, I did really enjoy this episode! Great work as always. :)
If you really want to emulate that look, I'd forget the 2.35 crop (or even 16:9). Most of those films - like The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, Key Largo, Touch of Evil, The Third Man, Double indemnity, Sunset Blvd, etc. - were shot well before widescreen was as thing, and were in the 1.37:1 Academy ratio. ("M" was actually 1.2:1.) The widescreen crop bars take a little away from that original look.
do you think those shots you showed would also work if you don't make it black white rather take out much of the color so you have a nice nearly Black white style
Noir is a GENRE and a STYLE: 1. There are “NECESSARY” Story elements and CONVENTIONS for a film to qualify as FILM NOIR. 2. There is are SPECIFIC STYLISTIC choices that must be made for a film to qualify as FILM NOIR.
You guys weren't sorry hahaha. I'm glad you put out this video. I was seriously curious as to how to make this genre of film (I think it there is a style to it as well. Australia is a country and a continent, ya know?). Keep it up guys!
Nah... close 2nd. The one a few years ago, when Josh (without the beard!) said the whole Domain dot com text in a super seductive voice, and his bro replied "no homo... but that was hot" was the best. Still trying to find that episode again, by the way.
I look at noir films at styles, though they're so wide one could still consider them as genres, the good think in movie making is that, well it doesn't minds...what minds is what you have in mind!
It is both *Noir as a style:* Black and white. Either suits or trench coats. Drinking whisky whilst smoking. Dark back streets of a city. A femme fatale. The inner monologue of a jaded man. Etc *Noir as a genre:* The main character is an average guy (not a celebrity or such) who is down on his luck. He meets/helps a femme fatale, a beautiful woman who is ultimately dangerous. The setting is usually a dark and claustrophobic city to mirror the protagonists dark cynicism. What the same time the protagonist will be witty to act as a juxtaposition to everything else being dark and gloomy. The plot is almost always the protagonist and the femme fatale meet. They agree to help each other. The femme fatale betrays the protagonist's trust. The McGuffin is received, the crime is solved, etc. But it's too late to save the budding romance. There is no happy ending because the world is not a happy place. The protagonist's cynicism has been justified.
well impressed with this video. any new short films on the horizon for us? I've been binge watching the last few hours, and nothing but respect for you guys.
I think it's a style. It's a form of color-grading which can be aplied to many genres. I gess you could even make a romance in noir. Would it be a genre, the overall experience of the story should be the same for every noir movie, right?
(Edit: it will be a play, but perhaps I can video tape it, it will be pretty cringey but I don’t have the resources to put the story together into a film anyways.) If I publish the play it will be under my pen name Joseph Vincent Hugo Although the writing will probably take multiple people otherwise the Dialogue can become strange. New Ideas are always welcome! Mine is a crime-drama in a noir style about [Spoilers Ahead] A Police chief (Tempted to call him Chief Wiggums) who commits a series of murders in his town (Hazen, North Dakota.) The Villain’s motivation being the lack of funding for the police department because “nothing interesting ever happens around there.” He attempts to frame a local teenager Leslie Barnum whose past crime is ‘disturbing the peace’ which is the only crime the town had in over 8 years. Also because Hazen has such a small population the killings adjust the population sign (starting at 205, down to 190 by the end) The twist is when the police storm in to arrest this kid Leslie Barnum but he’s been shot dead and when the killer steps out of the shadows it is the police chief who says he did it in self defense and advises the officers not to look into it. Suspicion is built around the Chief before this because he is always leaving early and whenever he does another body shows up. But (Almost) no one suspects anything about the suspicious timing. Except of course The Protagonist Officer Ronald Harstad. I was thinking “Homicide in Hazen” but maybe there is a better title someone else will come up with. You’ll know it when you see it. (On my channel of course.) Perhaps I will do it as a school project since the Theater Department wants a story that’s never been told before.
im actually watching this for the lighting and set aspect... i got ideas for practical effects (blood explosion, blood, and gun shots) and i got a film photo camera and film noir 400 ISO.. im going to take pictures great creative video and nice insight into set design!
We have two black magic cameras, if we want to achieve that film noir look, should we shoot in black and white or that is used in post production? Thanks
love your works I just premiered my Short over at the VCTC film festival and was wondering if you guys may be capable of critiquing it since I was inspired by you guys
I, myself, believe that it is more a style then a genre. A crime genre encompass things involving crime, you couldn't explain the film as a crime genre by just saying, "Oh, it has stylized dark-light lighting and editing choices, so it must be a crime genre." Noir is about achieving a specific feel, or mood, thru stylistic choices. So, that's why I consider it more of a style then a genre because, in essence, it is more of a style. -Leo
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It would be pretty nice if you could add a label on the shots with info about lens size. Specially useful when we see the "set" we can better appreciate the camera position and distance to the subject + lens size and the result image :D
Do you think Noir is a Genre or a Style?
style
Film Riot Style
Style
Yeah, style. I think a genre isn't as much how something looks buts more what the story is like.
Film Riot genre all the way
Ryan literally explained a semesters worth of my film genre class into 2 minutes.....
I feel like a perv for watching all the way to the end.
+Patrick Fales You dirty dawg!
yeah me too...
dirty dawg it is
The show's over.
Go home.
It began as a genre, but now it's a clear style.
back in the day, they had no after effects - it was all done with fine-grained film and lighting on set - no room for mistakes
I think theres a lot to be learned from it
Those brick wood panels are pretty sick!
They are amazing. Tons of styles to choose from too.
I thought the same. Buying some!
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. The 'sponsor time' intro had me chuckling 😂Kindly consider making a film noir short film. I know you guys would crush it. Do it! The World needs it!😊
I learn more here than what I learn on my film 101 class
+Alexis Sotelo Thanks man! So glad you dug if.
Good to know
SO Refreshing to see the comedic sketches.
"Ring ring, Triune Pizza, how can we help?"
"Uhh, do you guys deliver (on promises?)"
"HELL YES WE DO."
hahaha!
This was amazing, one of the best visual explanations you guys have ever done! Not to mention the effect you guys created looked so damn amazing!
+Liam Moscrop Thanks man. Josh and Justin did an amazing job with the examples.
I think black and white is a perfect way to watch movies changes continuities where characters come off the page
It is one great perfect way to watch a live action movie to experience the book world just like you never seen it before it is a perfect way to watch movies I grew up watching black-and-white then since the Three Stooges came out as a TV series
From modern-day Nomar from classic Noir I like watching movies to both ways in color in classic black and white. You can tell the difference between a book world
It is very cool
First off, you guys are off the chain!!! Film Noir is definitely a style. As a photographer I use the film noir style of shooting from time to time to dramatic effect. Anyway I enjoy your videos and I have learned a lot about lighting in the process. Thanks for what you do.
now this is film riot, back to form
RAHUL JIMMY Ryan and I had a small chat on Twitter, and i mentioned bringing back those comedic sketches within tutorials. He said there will be plenty more soon. Today's episode reminded me why I love Film Riot in the first place.
that's right
NiftYeee so true
Haha awesome guys! This would be a really fun Monday challenge!
That Shot at 2:11 is simply amazing! I loved the lighting brushing on the shoulders and the chin & bottom lip nicely lite. Could you please explain the lighting placement and the diffuser angle to the subject? Thanks in advance.
Do one for Spaghetti Westerns.
+BeReelPictures That's a good one.
Film Riot Omg yes I expect some Sergio Leone refrences. I look forward to that one and throughly enjoyed this one.
Film Riot yeah I'm hoping to do a spaghetti western myself next, ha ha
YES!!
done
funniest episode in a while, nice
+chrisw443 Thanks dude!
"Sponsor time..." Lol
+Brian Torsell :)
I was waiting for this after reading your comment. Was NOT disappointed. 😂
BEST EPISODE EVER!
These are some great beginners tips towards achieving a noir film!! Thank you so much!
Finishing up a comedy noir short film myself! Glad to see Film Riot appreciates such an amazing genre!
great episode!
Your tutorials really hit home - great job!
Touch Of Evil is so beautiful, it's almost as if it IS in color.
The second I finished this video, I opened Fade In, and started writing a noir, oh my god it's so stylized, ur tips are awesome, and will help a lot with he noir I will attempt to create
+AlexMcD6 That's awesome!
Film Noir is my favourite genre and thank you for showing me how to make one.
You are so awesome guys, thank You!!!
Great episode guys. I'm liking the simplicity of the noir style. .and animatics [if you ever cover this one] and the silent film look [with over cranked camera]. Thanks for sharing guys. It's inspiring. I want to make all of these mentioned.
Awesome video! It's always nice to learn more styles. I was half excepting a noir challenge though....
Great video, especially the explanatory introduction to Noir. Thanks for this :)
Awesome vid! Loved the history behind this one
I seriously appreciate the set design for the sponsor time skit.
BEST SPONSOR TIME EVER!!!!!!
That ending was great as well!
You nailed the style, I love it. I had goosebumps when I saw the scene with the gun. So badass.
I loved the history lesson! You should do that more!
This video was great I used the blinds lighting effect in my noir and it looks amazing
Okay. No joke I JUST finished uploading my noir film and I went on this channel yesterday to see if they made a video like this but knowing my luck they planned it so I couldn't use this knowledge.
for real tho great video guys
You guys are so creative and inspirational. You all make me go and DO !! Thanks guys!
This is great!
I like neo-noir. Striking example is Batman: Begins and The Crow
Great Vid! This gave me a lot of ideas. Thanks!!!
It still looks super cool in color.
The tee is gold
this is a great trick!
Ugh!!! This video is awesome!!!!! Thank you. Noir is a style. Love it.
+Lisa Amaro Thanks Lisa!
+Lisa Amaro thanks
Noir is a stylistic genre in my opinion, a genre which comes with it's own unique style.
noir style is a class. it's not a easy sector to choose. must've some knowledge! well done film riot!
So so good. So so good.
In John Alton's "painting with light" lies the secret to Film Noir! Awesome book!
LOVE THE SESCRET ENDINGS.
I like using UV lights for film noir and b&w scenes in general. If ur scene has white fabric, especially on ur talent, once u apply the b&w filter in post u get really crisp black to white contrast.
+Kompa Jessi Sounds cool. I need to test that.
Very handy for me, I'm trying to make a little noir short myself just now, thanks!
I'm sad that you didn't go through the process of adding the moon to the background. I'm mostly curious if you composited it in After Effects or just did it in Photoshop. You got a nice, natural shine hitting the top of those buildings and the water in your final shot. In the image you chose for the cityscape, there is a lot of light from the buildings that's hitting the water (unlike your final shot that has a much softer reflection). The moon is that extra soft aspect that really sells the shot. Like you said, it's all the aspects of a shot (lighting, wardrobe, angles, etc.) that really sells the final product. That's why I'm a little sad that you didn't cover that small detail.
All that to say, I did really enjoy this episode! Great work as always. :)
If you really want to emulate that look, I'd forget the 2.35 crop (or even 16:9). Most of those films - like The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, Key Largo, Touch of Evil, The Third Man, Double indemnity, Sunset Blvd, etc. - were shot well before widescreen was as thing, and were in the 1.37:1 Academy ratio. ("M" was actually 1.2:1.) The widescreen crop bars take a little away from that original look.
I feel film noir is more of a style then a genre because it can be applied to any genre, without any of the traditional tropes.
do you think those shots you showed would also work if you don't make it black white rather take out much of the color so you have a nice nearly Black white style
Noir is a GENRE and a STYLE:
1. There are “NECESSARY” Story elements and CONVENTIONS for a film to qualify as FILM NOIR.
2. There is are SPECIFIC STYLISTIC choices that must be made for a film to qualify as FILM NOIR.
I love Ryan's T-shirt.
You guys weren't sorry hahaha. I'm glad you put out this video. I was seriously curious as to how to make this genre of film (I think it there is a style to it as well. Australia is a country and a continent, ya know?). Keep it up guys!
That was the best sponsor time AD I ever seen form you guys 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🕵🏽💃🏽
Nah... close 2nd. The one a few years ago, when Josh (without the beard!) said the whole Domain dot com text in a super seductive voice, and his bro replied "no homo... but that was hot" was the best. Still trying to find that episode again, by the way.
LOL Love the ending. Love your videos.
Great episode! I'm gonna try to use more of these techniques in my movies!
Making a Noir film for my Final Major Project at the moment, will definitely use some of these tips, thanks!!
I look at noir films at styles, though they're so wide one could still consider them as genres, the good think in movie making is that, well it doesn't minds...what minds is what you have in mind!
Triune LUTs are pretty much the most underrated LUTs in the world.
INCREDIBLE
It is both
*Noir as a style:*
Black and white. Either suits or trench coats. Drinking whisky whilst smoking. Dark back streets of a city. A femme fatale. The inner monologue of a jaded man. Etc
*Noir as a genre:*
The main character is an average guy (not a celebrity or such) who is down on his luck. He meets/helps a femme fatale, a beautiful woman who is ultimately dangerous.
The setting is usually a dark and claustrophobic city to mirror the protagonists dark cynicism. What the same time the protagonist will be witty to act as a juxtaposition to everything else being dark and gloomy.
The plot is almost always the protagonist and the femme fatale meet. They agree to help each other. The femme fatale betrays the protagonist's trust. The McGuffin is received, the crime is solved, etc. But it's too late to save the budding romance.
There is no happy ending because the world is not a happy place. The protagonist's cynicism has been justified.
😂😂😂😂 the end bit... 👌👌
Good T shirt Ryan!...and great video!
Been waiting for a noir episode from you guys a long time. 2:09 is just so cool. Thank You Film Riot. #inspiring
Love the ending 🤣🤣
ryan you really direct noir well
Love your free flow fun presentation style, awesome video
Ill use this some day, thanks!
Well needed tutorial!! Thank you Film Riot!
well impressed with this video. any new short films on the horizon for us? I've been binge watching the last few hours, and nothing but respect for you guys.
1000th Like! :-) That ending!
Thx! Your video was very helpful on my latest project!!!
I think it's a style. It's a form of color-grading which can be aplied to many genres. I gess you could even make a romance in noir. Would it be a genre, the overall experience of the story should be the same for every noir movie, right?
Jurassic Park is another movie you can watch in black and white.
Guys you're the best!
(Edit: it will be a play, but perhaps I can video tape it, it will be pretty cringey but I don’t have the resources to put the story together into a film anyways.)
If I publish the play it will be under my pen name
Joseph Vincent Hugo
Although the writing will probably take multiple people otherwise the Dialogue can become strange.
New Ideas are always welcome!
Mine is a crime-drama in a noir style about [Spoilers Ahead]
A Police chief (Tempted to call him Chief Wiggums)
who commits a series of murders in his town (Hazen, North Dakota.)
The Villain’s motivation being the lack of funding for the police department because “nothing interesting ever happens around there.”
He attempts to frame a local teenager Leslie Barnum whose past crime is ‘disturbing the peace’ which is the only crime the town had in over 8 years.
Also because Hazen has such a small population the killings adjust the population sign (starting at 205, down to 190 by the end)
The twist is when the police storm in to arrest this kid Leslie Barnum but he’s been shot dead and when the killer steps out of the shadows it is the police chief who says he did it in self defense and advises the officers not to look into it.
Suspicion is built around the Chief before this because he is always leaving early and whenever he does another body shows up.
But (Almost) no one suspects anything about the suspicious timing.
Except of course The Protagonist
Officer Ronald Harstad.
I was thinking
“Homicide in Hazen”
but maybe there is a better title someone else will come up with.
You’ll know it when you see it. (On my channel of course.)
Perhaps I will do it as a school project since the Theater Department wants a story that’s never been told before.
Awesome! Thanks for the BTS! Er, and the ads/vids too, I think, er, well, um, maybe ... :0)
Great stuff.
Post credits are awesome.
Cool! Keep up the good work guys!
This is amazing. Thanks for all the tips.
im actually watching this for the lighting and set aspect...
i got ideas for practical effects (blood explosion, blood, and gun shots)
and i got a film photo camera and film noir 400 ISO.. im going to take pictures
great creative video and nice insight into set design!
We have two black magic cameras, if we want to achieve that film noir look, should we shoot in black and white or that is used in post production? Thanks
This is legit , just what I needed. Thank you so much :)
Been trying to make my own neo-noir stuff lately, thanks for the tips!
Perhaps just a tone/style that fits very well with crime drama. Synonymous even.
+Lawton Meyer Agreed.
Indeed. What would Blade Runner be considered though?
you make nice videos
+Meet GOHIL thanks!
love your works I just premiered my Short over at the VCTC film festival and was wondering if you guys may be capable of critiquing it since I was inspired by you guys
I, myself, believe that it is more a style then a genre. A crime genre encompass things involving crime, you couldn't explain the film as a crime genre by just saying, "Oh, it has stylized dark-light lighting and editing choices, so it must be a crime genre." Noir is about achieving a specific feel, or mood, thru stylistic choices. So, that's why I consider it more of a style then a genre because, in essence, it is more of a style.
-Leo
It would be pretty nice if you could add a label on the shots with info about lens size.
Specially useful when we see the "set" we can better appreciate the camera position and distance to the subject + lens size and the result image :D
Hey Film Riot, what do you recommend for clothing under the trench coats and fedoras?
It's a genre that became a style.
Awesome
Great stuff as usual guys! thanks for being awesome for so long! What Smallhd monitor was that?
Definitely a style.