Kratos catches the hammer in the second fight because in the first fight Thor used the recall to hit him in the back of the head. Kratos learned and refused to let the hammer go behind him and be stuck between the hammer and Thor.
No, in the second fight thor even hit kratos on the head with the mjölnir and kratos takes the hit like it's nothing, in their first fight kratos was simply holding back too much
@@jsmaelsartor595That's not _wrong_ exactly, but it wasn't the point of what they were saying. Kratos got hit by the hammer several times during that fight, and the blow to the back of the head wasn't what knocked him out. What they were saying was that Kratos didn't want to have a repeat of when he was left vulnerable after the hammer recall, so he tried to stop it from going too far away. This is also one of Kratos' own tactics in gameplay, throwing the axe, fighting without it, then lining up for a recall that strikes or trips an enemy from behind, so he should be familiar with the idea.
@@Azeral7 "lore accurate strength" is a funny thing. Kratos was never supposed to be the most powerful being or anything like that. He's always been a character that always overcame things much larger and stronger than him, both literally and metaphorically. People who argue about lore and power scaling completely miss the point of the story and stuff like that. Discussions like Norse vs Greek gods strength never really mattered when telling the story. People get lost in that stuff especially in comic book stuff too when the whole time a writer/director is just gonna go with whatever fits the story in a logical way. If all fights were about power scaling, Kratos wouldn't have even beat Ares, let alone Zeus.
Spartans are not known for that thought werent they? I thought they only really used the phalanx formation as much as possible and their army were mostly hoplite infantry men. They did have a small cavalry but they didnt even use them as a main fighting force most of the time.
@railroad_riley5084 Yes and no. Individual spartan soldiers 100% were capable of this as they were trained from a very young age through very dangerous methods how to survive and adapt, and this combined with always punching up while young fighting older boys meant from a young age they had to fight and adapt on the fly. The inability to this as a group unit is how they suffered some of their worst losses as it was realized that individual soldiers are dangerous but the formations used could be exploited and they won't change because they have always worked and assuredly always will..
There's also the fact that Kratos exploits Thor's Eitri poison wound as much as possible. Every time he punches him in the gut, it's always directly on the open wound, when he stabs him with the Blades of Chaos, it's exactly in the wound, when he stabs him for the second time with the spear, it's in the wound again, and same with the Leviathan Axe.
During this fight, unlike the first one, Kratos was completely locked in. He knows Atreus is safe during this, while during the first fight (not mentioned, just trying to use common sense here) he most likely was mostly thinking about the fact that Odin is with Atreus, which hindered his performance in a very big way. Of course, Kratos is also a monster when it comes to adapting to people’s fighting style. If you fight Kratos once and he survives, you’re screwed. It was showed in this fight the most. Barely anything worked that Thor did.
@@PeachesandCream225if you were looking for Thor vs Kratos round 1 again, I don’t know what to tell you. To me, this was a master class of 1 on 1 combat between two powerful beings
@Fusion237 Ik its not really confirmed but I think the Axe was sprayed with venom of the World Serpent from when Kratos threw it in the lake in order to wake him up, hence why the wound it caused stayed there and didn't heal.
@@lordgarmadon8597 exactly. So the second fight was Thor heavily weakened which is why kratos destroyed him and then Odin one shot him. So if it’s both at full strength it would be really close
While I wanted more spectacle out of round 2, it’s grown on me. We finally get to see the Thor who wiped out the giants - a destroyer drunk off mead & blood. He is *absolutely pissed* thinking Kratos was gonna kill his daughter and the VA really nails it with that booming voice. Thor going full Led Zepplin mode never fails to give me chills. But Kratos definitely learned a thing or two from the first fight.
@@Lord_Simpwalker yes but, considering that most of the fight and Kratos tanking and overpowering Thor did NOT include draupnir, I doubt the result would be much different, just a slightly longer exchange between Kratos and Thor.
Honestly I feel like ppl forget Kratos killed Zeus he’s been struck by lightning so many times it just tingles even in the last god of war when Kratos was fighting the sons he just muscled through it
I really like how in this fight Kratos counter Thor based on his previous experience, from the sequence of punches to tactics. But somethings people don't gives Thor credit for: - Thor tanked alot of damage dealt by Kratos, and Kratos had to throw EVERYTHING he had at Thor. Thor tanked three of the strongest weapons around and even a kitchen knife by the end to calm him down; - Thor was responding to every attack Kratos threw at him with just as much equal force. They are constatly back and forth at each other, with Kratos dealing more attacks and Thor dealing more impactful ones; - Before engaging Kratos, Thor was also dealing with everything outside of Asgard with only mortals as help. It seems even Ragnarok he was fighting, as you see Jormy and Ragnarok aiming at him; - In the final sequence of clashes, Thor was matching Kratos strenght, both were pushing each other away. Most likely reason why Mjolnir flew off his hand, was because of the short handle and not Thor's lack of strenght. Thor is probably the one of the few foes Kratos fought who was a worthy challenge. If Odin wasn't a terrible father, and Tyr trained Thor to be a proper warrior, he would had been equal if not more powerful than Kratos. Thor's main problem at the end, is that he was mentaly unstable and desparate to defend his realm and family, unlike Kratos who was focused and had his cause to fight. This whole situation was summed up by Tyr: "A man at war with himself places a deficit upon his focus. He is impatient, emotional, easily surprised. A man at one with himself has a clearer mind, sharper instincts. That man is ready to win. That man is ready to progress."
Many people forget the fact Thor was possibly poisoned by the venom of the world serpent imbued in the axe. For me, Faye knew that Kratos couldn't 1v1 against Thor under normal circumstances.
@@hitman2393the only problem I have with that is that Kratos killed all the Greek gods that are way stronger than any Norse gods, Greek gods were basically the personification of the sun, thunder, sea and so on, Zeus would solo all the Norse gods no problem and that's not counting the titans and even entities that control all destiny, Kratos killed them all. People forget that this Kratos is a non raged version of his younger self and his son is the one holding back all that anger and madness because his not trying to be a killer anymore but an example to his son and to all other people. Young Kratos would destroy any of them at ease
@@MAsOCLisMOThe thing that this argument assumes, is that a different culture's style of worship affects the power of their gods. Yes, the Greeks were exceptionally flashy and tied their deities directly to the forces of nature they had dominion over. No, that doesn't necessarily mean they're inherently stronger than more grounded gods like we see here in the North. In fact, we see a great example of how divine power converts between mythological domains... it's Kratos himself. We know what he did back home, and one of the things a lot of fans complain about is that the pantheon killer himself isn't doing as much bombastic, over the top BS as he used to. But he isn't less powerful, y'all. Things just operate differently in this domain! Kratos still does things that impress people of the area, you think just anybody could have operated the big mechanisms of Tyr's temple, for example? The world of this faith is more empowered than that of Greece. More importantly, the great figures of this world aren't the ones that embody those forces (primordial elementals excluded). No, the gods *harness* the powers of the world to amplify their own, personal might, which manifest as the virtues and vices of the *human experience.* Because to the people of this world, what's powerful is not just unattainable magic, it's anything that allows you to overcome the many threats that will come your way. Things are harsh here, you learn to respect the things that keep folks alive... so that's what gets empowered. I think that's all I got, now. My thoughts after seeing so many of the same arguments all over the place. Folks gotta stop walking into Danish McDonald's and saying their gyros suck 😂
@@IronianKnight Kratos not doing what he used to anymore because he does not want to be a killer and a monster, he holds himself back just a lot, his spartan rage now is what he was back in Greece, basically unstoppable, if any of the gods killed his son, we would see his old ways again
This really makes me appreciate just how good the fight choreo is in these games, easy to miss in the moment. Even though its clear who wins, I think breaking down how Kratos adapts in his fight with Heimdall might be really cool- obvious winner, but how he gets there always fascinated me.
At 4:38, when Thor gets disarmed, he tries to recall Mjolnir by snapping his left hand, but fails in doing so. Kratos catches on to this, and Thor tries again before Kratos finally pins his hand with the knife.
You ever think about doing a fighting style analysis on a particular character? Kratos's fighting style has always fascinated me. It's honestly one of my favorites in fiction. Would love to see you breakdown Kratos's martial skill, from his boxing to his grappling, etc.
Kratos has incredible battle intelligence and situational adaptation ability, with flawless technique with weapon or not. Might not be the easiest breakdown, but certainly one of the most fascinating
something i absolutely love about all their fights, is that you can see kratos actively exploit the would on thors stomach that he created in their first round, using it as leverage and always coming back to it for more damage.
Btw, that wound stuck around because Faye’s ax was imbued with Jormangandur’s poison last game, which in canonical ragnarok is what killed Thor, who killed the world serpent only to fall to the poison a few steps away
People forget that kratos wasn’t just the god of war but also a general. He trained in strategic warfare and combat. Thor is just a big fat dude with a hammer, who hits hard.
@@BigJugsRule92 Actually Kratos states himself that Thor has hit him THE HARDEST out of ANY OPPONENT he’s ever fought. Also Thor is a warrior he trains..real warriors train to be idk a warrior. Sure Kratos is more skilled but Thor is skilled as well. At best Kratos is just more strategic than Kratos but in terms of brute strength clearly Thor wins there; don’t forget Thor ATE a full Spartan Rage right cross in the first fight and Thor was holding back.
@@wbharry374 in their second fight, kratos grabs hold of thors hammer and also throws it back at him. A hammer that’s said to be unstoppable once thrown. Not to mention he flipped the 9 realms temple in the first game, and all the feats he accomplished during the Greek saga, such as resisting the titans from crushing him, etc. he practically has infinite strength, especially from his rage.
I am a bit late to this , but at 4:31 we can see that with every clash, thor is getting pushed back more and more while kratos is basically in the same position.
I love this second fight so much, I know some people think that it's disappointing but it shows how close they actually are as warriors, Thor is exactly as younger Kratos was, he is impulsive, has a lot of rage and did some horrible things in his past, Kratos was actually destined to die by Thor's hands in Ragnarok but he break his fate by chosing to be better, that's the reason Kratos wins this fight, he already nows he's a monster, he accepted that he's done terrible things in his past but he needs to be better, he had more experience now and I love that Thor in the end becomes better by defying his father to save his family. Thor is one of my favorite characters of this franchise and I would love to see more of him.
@@cooperhayes1194No, he knocked him out. I know we got a death screen, but the place where Kratos was hit and lightning being the thing that resurrects him do not make sense. Electricity to the heart isn’t going to reverse blunt force trauma to the head 💀 💀
Great video, love it I would love to provide a point you missed at 1:12 kratos punched thor in the face and managed to knock him out for a split second mid air
I’m not sure if it was a full knock out but it definetly a stun. Though it is quite possible to be a knockout as there are examples of “Glass Jaw” as that seems to be a point that can cause a full knockout if hit right
I feel like a big part of why Thor probably goes for these massive grabs without really doing any follow-up might be because he's used to being able to just crush opponents with his god/giant brute strength. I wouldn't be surprised if most opponents were straight-up zeroed after one session of that kind of head-squeezing
Kratos ain't letting a Hammer Fly by around him. It would be like a 2v1 and you wouldn't want that. You'd rather have that hammer be in the hands of Thor and overpower him which he can fortunately.
In the first battle, Kratos didn't recognize Thor, and he was holding back a lot. Even Thor was aware of that, you can see it in his words. In the first battle, after Thor catches Kratos off guard and sends him flying, Kratos punches him many times in the face, but Thor continues as if he is not affected by any of them. Kratos loses consciousness as a result of 2 consecutive heavy blows from Thor and Thor only wakes him up by shocking him with his hammer. Then Kratos starts fighting a little harder. When Thor mentions Atreus, Kratos lands a concussive blow and they end the first battle there. As for the second battle, the beginning starts the same way, thor sends kratos flying with his hammer, then kratos stuns him with just 2 punches and forces him to land on the ground. From this we can easily understand that Kratos was holding himself extremely restrained in the first battle. Thor was not as calm as he was in the first battle because Asgard was under attack and he thought his daughter was in danger and he had orders from Odin to kill him. While Thor was pushing his potential, Kratos just wanted to talk, he just wanted to stop him, not kill him. So Kratos was holding back as usual. My guess is that in the first battle he was only using 5% to 7% of his power and in the second battle he was using 15% to 20% of his power. So this battle was not even close.
I wouldn't really try and put an actual number to it. In the first fight, he held back his strength, out of habit if nothing else. In the second, he held back his lethality. Which is a far more important distinction, I believe.
Your videos are amazing, you deserve way more views. Your content added a lot of depth to the fights, really cool for someone like me who basically never watches any combat sports
I was also a little confused on why Kratos went for the catch on Mjolnir but realised that it was better option out of the 2. Had he dodged and gone for Thor, Thor would've bonked him with the recall (like the first fight) where Kratos would've had to rely on luck to dodge which is 5050 at best. Thor's grapple, while not ideal, would've been easier to recover from as it'll bring the fight more close quarters which I'd argue is Kratos' strongest point. Great overview of the entirety of the fights tho. I just binged through the others 🤣
Pretty much what you said yeah, the reason why marvel’s Hercules is considered slightly more skilled than marvel’s Thor is due to his superior grappling abilities (being Greek and all)
Thor (canonically) heals every time he touches the hammer. This is why Kratos: 1. Stops the hammer from coming back to Thor and 2. Pins Thors hand to the ground, so he can't grab the hammer.
I think a lot of people are missing the more obvious reason why Kratos did that. Kratos has a history of not only beating Gods but also stealing their weapons and using it on them. He was gonna do that here too if Thor hadn't grabbed him.
I don’t think it was the better option when he got hit from the recall he just got stunned but here he was completely trapped in place with his back turned to his opponent. I know Thor didn’t have his weapon but he still could have done anything he wanted to Kratos in that moment rather then a simple throw. Unless Thor controls how hard and fast the hammer comes back im taking my chances getting bonked on the head then being trapped with my back turned to him.
Just got done watching all three of these. I think my favorite part about these videos is you highlighting that Kratos clearly has a specialty, which shows that the people in charge of the fight choreography took stuff like that into consideration.
What I like about the Kratos vs Thor is the changin power dynamics. Their first encounter Kratos had still recently brushed off the rust from fighting Baldur, while Thor was just under his most powerful. Only really lacking due to his lack constant combat like Kratos, but also due to his mental health reaching its close critical falling collapse. In the second encounter Thor shows much more strength, power and control, but clearly doesn't have much heart in it. I think Thor knew Kratos had no intention of hurting his daughter from the begining. He just needed a physical vent. But at the same time Kratos is also for stronger, but significantly more mentally sound.
In first encounter when thor send karos flying and then grab him in mid air and kratos punch him but couldn't get off him bcoz it was a off guard but in second fight same thing happens but this time kratos knock thor with in two punch bcoz he was ready which I think is pretty God detail
4:38 You've missed a small detail that when Thor reacts to that smash it's certain that he toss his hammer out he wanted come back to snap for call the hammer.
This is basically the entirety of God Of War. It's kratos's resilience, persistence , drive and ability to find ways to win through weapons or environmental is what gives him the win. He's hardly ever the most 'powerfull' in the room.
@@bloodangel19 Although having said that, in terms of raw power, his overpowering the likes of Heracles and two mountain-sized Titans (Atlas in GoW2, Cronos in GoW3) definitely counts for something.
@@WonkyTonkBotty surely. But as of god of war 2018 he holds back most of his strength(he didn't rage once against thor in 2nd fight while he raged at least once against Baldur) so he mostly relies on his skills to weave and overwhelm.
Fun fact: If you activate Fury Spartan Rage in Thor fight, Mimir will try to tell Kratos to stay in controlled and he is able to reply back in perfect clarity. One more to note is that when in this rage, Kratos just shake off Mjolnir and having bounce off his body. This is impressive consider that Thor was able to knock Kratos out of Valor healing like how Hercules managed to do with Kratos Blade of Olympus in GoW 3.
I've got to give it to sms, they might not have made the most epic thor fights scale wise but the choreography and attention to detail is surely worth something. Love these videos btw
Thor does seem to rely on his weapons more than Kratos does but he was not even close to gaining control of it. I mean technically he did with the blades of chaos but definitely not by hand
This is sick. Can you possibly analyze some Final Fantasty 16 fights? Not only are those fights beautiful, but I think there is a lot to be said about them.
I tought that kratos stabbing thors arms into the ground literally grounded him, like how you can spreqd electricity to the ground rathet than the area, maaking thors power weaker.
Man I love this style of videos. Hope you can do an analysis of Captain America vs Winter Soldier as well. Imo, that movie had the best fight choreography in the MCU. Would be interesting to see who you think won between their matches.
Crazy how Thor's been spending this whole game with a gash in his belly. I know where it came from, and why it's not healing, I just think it's cool he's able to keep soldiering on/interesting that nobody tries to exploit that wound.
The first fight between Kratos and Thor always feels off to me, especially after hearing people debate whether Kratos was "holding back" or not. Both sides have valid arguments. I think, overall, Kratos is holding back, only fully unleashing himself when Atreus' life is directly at risk. The Heimdall fight made this clearer to me. Kratos initially wanted Heimdall to surrender, and Heimdall even called him out on it. But once Heimdall made his choice, Kratos slowly sort of shifted into a "life-or-death" mode for Heimdall. Before Heimdall's death, you could see Kratos get more annoyed than hurt by Heimdall’s attacks, then finally snap and finish him off, choking him to death. I also think Mimir understands exactly how much Kratos is holding back. His reaction to Heimdall's death, saying "This isn't who you want to be," seemed almost fearful. Like he would have regretted dangling off Kratos’ back, haha. That said, I expected more from Thor’s fights with Kratos.
I feel like everyone forgets that Kratos is very similar to the Hulk, there is a reason his power is called Spartan Rage, him trying to be calm is inherently weakening him, but he's such a good fighter that it's not normally a problem. But, we see with Heimdall that if he's angered enough he can't control himself and will just kill you, which is exactly how he used to be in the Greek Era, and that's why he tries to hold back so much, he's afraid of being like his Younger self, especially since being so angry made him accidentally kill his first family and he doesn't want that to happen again. If he gets angry enough he doesn't recognize friend from foe.
Nice breakdown. I never agree with your assertion that "it's a fight so you must protect yourself at all times" because in the videos I've seen where you make that claim, it's always regarding a surprise or sneak attack. That's not "a fight" until after the sneak attack. It's by definition not something someone can reasonably be expected to defend against.
You need to factor in that Thor was going full power trying to kill Kratos, Kratos didn’t even use spartan rage and still over powered Thor in many occasions
Kratos catches the hammer in the second fight because in the first fight Thor used the recall to hit him in the back of the head. Kratos learned and refused to let the hammer go behind him and be stuck between the hammer and Thor.
No, in the second fight thor even hit kratos on the head with the mjölnir and kratos takes the hit like it's nothing, in their first fight kratos was simply holding back too much
@@jsmaelsartor595That's not _wrong_ exactly, but it wasn't the point of what they were saying. Kratos got hit by the hammer several times during that fight, and the blow to the back of the head wasn't what knocked him out.
What they were saying was that Kratos didn't want to have a repeat of when he was left vulnerable after the hammer recall, so he tried to stop it from going too far away. This is also one of Kratos' own tactics in gameplay, throwing the axe, fighting without it, then lining up for a recall that strikes or trips an enemy from behind, so he should be familiar with the idea.
@Michaeljefferson9000 true but his explanation sounds better cause it stays true to kratos lore accurate strength
@@Azeral7 "lore accurate strength" is a funny thing. Kratos was never supposed to be the most powerful being or anything like that. He's always been a character that always overcame things much larger and stronger than him, both literally and metaphorically. People who argue about lore and power scaling completely miss the point of the story and stuff like that. Discussions like Norse vs Greek gods strength never really mattered when telling the story. People get lost in that stuff especially in comic book stuff too when the whole time a writer/director is just gonna go with whatever fits the story in a logical way. If all fights were about power scaling, Kratos wouldn't have even beat Ares, let alone Zeus.
Nice
I love this. Also, I love how Kratos as a Spartan soldier, learns quickly how the enemy's fighting style is
Spartans are not known for that thought werent they? I thought they only really used the phalanx formation as much as possible and their army were mostly hoplite infantry men. They did have a small cavalry but they didnt even use them as a main fighting force most of the time.
@railroad_riley5084 Yes and no. Individual spartan soldiers 100% were capable of this as they were trained from a very young age through very dangerous methods how to survive and adapt, and this combined with always punching up while young fighting older boys meant from a young age they had to fight and adapt on the fly. The inability to this as a group unit is how they suffered some of their worst losses as it was realized that individual soldiers are dangerous but the formations used could be exploited and they won't change because they have always worked and assuredly always will..
There's also the fact that Kratos exploits Thor's Eitri poison wound as much as possible. Every time he punches him in the gut, it's always directly on the open wound, when he stabs him with the Blades of Chaos, it's exactly in the wound, when he stabs him for the second time with the spear, it's in the wound again, and same with the Leviathan Axe.
@@maxm.m.7219 I didn't even notice it
Plus Kratos isn’t exhausted from lack of sleep or worn down from two fights, and fully armed.
During this fight, unlike the first one, Kratos was completely locked in. He knows Atreus is safe during this, while during the first fight (not mentioned, just trying to use common sense here) he most likely was mostly thinking about the fact that Odin is with Atreus, which hindered his performance in a very big way. Of course, Kratos is also a monster when it comes to adapting to people’s fighting style. If you fight Kratos once and he survives, you’re screwed. It was showed in this fight the most. Barely anything worked that Thor did.
Spot on. It is difficult to focus on the fight if you are thinking of something else...
Conversely it would have motivated Kratos to finish the fight sooner so he could get back to Atreus.
@@thorthegodofthunder9150 would work if it was anyone else. Thor is too strong to just end it quickly
@@merathe9391 yeah that's the point
Even if you fight him once and he dies, you are FUCKED
The pure adrenaline this fight had when I was playing was incredible
It really gets cut off when you die tho, i died 3 times in my *first ever try* and it felt less impactfull than it could have been
@@Poja_0811skill issue
@@LUNARBL00M i know, i sucked
Really, this fight was really underwhelming
@@PeachesandCream225if you were looking for Thor vs Kratos round 1 again, I don’t know what to tell you.
To me, this was a master class of 1 on 1 combat between two powerful beings
Kratos was in total control of this fight
Round 4 and 5 yes only because Levi axe was straight thors kryptonite. Thats why he couldn’t heal from the wounds
@Fusion237 Ik its not really confirmed but I think the Axe was sprayed with venom of the World Serpent from when Kratos threw it in the lake in order to wake him up, hence why the wound it caused stayed there and didn't heal.
@@lordgarmadon8597 exactly. So the second fight was Thor heavily weakened which is why kratos destroyed him and then Odin one shot him. So if it’s both at full strength it would be really close
@@Fusion237 thor was really just a kratos who didn't change his ways
@@lordgarmadon8597your right he spits it back to him and gives it ITR whatever the venom is I just replayed 2018 so that connection is so cool
We need that kratos vs heimdal you got me scratching like a crack head
That's the one I definitely wanna see.
That's the best one in the game so I don't blame you😂
Yup true😂
While I wanted more spectacle out of round 2, it’s grown on me. We finally get to see the Thor who wiped out the giants - a destroyer drunk off mead & blood. He is *absolutely pissed* thinking Kratos was gonna kill his daughter and the VA really nails it with that booming voice. Thor going full Led Zepplin mode never fails to give me chills. But Kratos definitely learned a thing or two from the first fight.
I like the emotions and music of the fight. For the first we see Kratos trying to reason with his opponent because he sees so much of himself in Thor.
Another thing to consider is that having the chaos blades on his body gives him a MASSIVE increase in raw strength, as shown by the comics.
@@basimali619Plus he also had the Draupnir Spear, so you can add another powerful divine weapon that would catch Thor off guard.
@@Lord_Simpwalker yes but, considering that most of the fight and Kratos tanking and overpowering Thor did NOT include draupnir, I doubt the result would be much different, just a slightly longer exchange between Kratos and Thor.
@@basimali619 I don't think the Blades were ever actually shown to add anymore strength to Kratos.
Honestly I feel like ppl forget Kratos killed Zeus he’s been struck by lightning so many times it just tingles even in the last god of war when Kratos was fighting the sons he just muscled through it
I also wanna add that right around 4:45 you can see kratos react to Thor trying to recall his hammer so he stabs the hand.
Plus, in theory, it’d act as a ground on Thor’s lightning power
I really like how in this fight Kratos counter Thor based on his previous experience, from the sequence of punches to tactics. But somethings people don't gives Thor credit for:
- Thor tanked alot of damage dealt by Kratos, and Kratos had to throw EVERYTHING he had at Thor. Thor tanked three of the strongest weapons around and even a kitchen knife by the end to calm him down;
- Thor was responding to every attack Kratos threw at him with just as much equal force. They are constatly back and forth at each other, with Kratos dealing more attacks and Thor dealing more impactful ones;
- Before engaging Kratos, Thor was also dealing with everything outside of Asgard with only mortals as help. It seems even Ragnarok he was fighting, as you see Jormy and Ragnarok aiming at him;
- In the final sequence of clashes, Thor was matching Kratos strenght, both were pushing each other away. Most likely reason why Mjolnir flew off his hand, was because of the short handle and not Thor's lack of strenght.
Thor is probably the one of the few foes Kratos fought who was a worthy challenge. If Odin wasn't a terrible father, and Tyr trained Thor to be a proper warrior, he would had been equal if not more powerful than Kratos.
Thor's main problem at the end, is that he was mentaly unstable and desparate to defend his realm and family, unlike Kratos who was focused and had his cause to fight.
This whole situation was summed up by Tyr:
"A man at war with himself places a deficit upon his focus. He is impatient, emotional, easily surprised. A man at one with himself has a clearer mind, sharper instincts. That man is ready to win. That man is ready to progress."
Many people forget the fact Thor was possibly poisoned by the venom of the world serpent imbued in the axe. For me, Faye knew that Kratos couldn't 1v1 against Thor under normal circumstances.
@@hitman2393 Thor was also very likely drunk.
@@hitman2393the only problem I have with that is that Kratos killed all the Greek gods that are way stronger than any Norse gods, Greek gods were basically the personification of the sun, thunder, sea and so on, Zeus would solo all the Norse gods no problem and that's not counting the titans and even entities that control all destiny, Kratos killed them all.
People forget that this Kratos is a non raged version of his younger self and his son is the one holding back all that anger and madness because his not trying to be a killer anymore but an example to his son and to all other people. Young Kratos would destroy any of them at ease
@@MAsOCLisMOThe thing that this argument assumes, is that a different culture's style of worship affects the power of their gods. Yes, the Greeks were exceptionally flashy and tied their deities directly to the forces of nature they had dominion over. No, that doesn't necessarily mean they're inherently stronger than more grounded gods like we see here in the North.
In fact, we see a great example of how divine power converts between mythological domains... it's Kratos himself. We know what he did back home, and one of the things a lot of fans complain about is that the pantheon killer himself isn't doing as much bombastic, over the top BS as he used to. But he isn't less powerful, y'all. Things just operate differently in this domain! Kratos still does things that impress people of the area, you think just anybody could have operated the big mechanisms of Tyr's temple, for example? The world of this faith is more empowered than that of Greece.
More importantly, the great figures of this world aren't the ones that embody those forces (primordial elementals excluded). No, the gods *harness* the powers of the world to amplify their own, personal might, which manifest as the virtues and vices of the *human experience.* Because to the people of this world, what's powerful is not just unattainable magic, it's anything that allows you to overcome the many threats that will come your way. Things are harsh here, you learn to respect the things that keep folks alive... so that's what gets empowered.
I think that's all I got, now. My thoughts after seeing so many of the same arguments all over the place. Folks gotta stop walking into Danish McDonald's and saying their gyros suck 😂
@@IronianKnight Kratos not doing what he used to anymore because he does not want to be a killer and a monster, he holds himself back just a lot, his spartan rage now is what he was back in Greece, basically unstoppable, if any of the gods killed his son, we would see his old ways again
This really makes me appreciate just how good the fight choreo is in these games, easy to miss in the moment. Even though its clear who wins, I think breaking down how Kratos adapts in his fight with Heimdall might be really cool- obvious winner, but how he gets there always fascinated me.
At 4:38, when Thor gets disarmed, he tries to recall Mjolnir by snapping his left hand, but fails in doing so. Kratos catches on to this, and Thor tries again before Kratos finally pins his hand with the knife.
You ever think about doing a fighting style analysis on a particular character? Kratos's fighting style has always fascinated me. It's honestly one of my favorites in fiction. Would love to see you breakdown Kratos's martial skill, from his boxing to his grappling, etc.
Kratos has incredible battle intelligence and situational adaptation ability, with flawless technique with weapon or not. Might not be the easiest breakdown, but certainly one of the most fascinating
Don't forget kratos fighting style also include pankration
2:20 i don't think electricity is much of a threat to kratos his father was Zeus and I'm sure thors electricity is nothing compared to zeus's
Those swings at 4:31 weren't stale mates, Thor was getting pushed back every time
Oh shit I never noticed that until now, nice eye
Thor isn’t built for long intense fights with Kratos.
Good observation never noticed
need more like this bro genuinely
something i absolutely love about all their fights, is that you can see kratos actively exploit the would on thors stomach that he created in their first round, using it as leverage and always coming back to it for more damage.
Btw, that wound stuck around because Faye’s ax was imbued with Jormangandur’s poison last game, which in canonical ragnarok is what killed Thor, who killed the world serpent only to fall to the poison a few steps away
People forget that kratos wasn’t just the god of war but also a general. He trained in strategic warfare and combat. Thor is just a big fat dude with a hammer, who hits hard.
Not really, he was a decent warrior once, after years of abuse I guess he just kinda gave up
@@zaqattack1423 huh?, gave up?. What are you on about?. He killed the Greek gods and many powerful warriors.
@@BigJugsRule92 I meant thor
@@BigJugsRule92 Actually Kratos states himself that Thor has hit him THE HARDEST out of ANY OPPONENT he’s ever fought. Also Thor is a warrior he trains..real warriors train to be idk a warrior.
Sure Kratos is more skilled but Thor is skilled as well. At best Kratos is just more strategic than Kratos but in terms of brute strength clearly Thor wins there; don’t forget Thor ATE a full Spartan Rage right cross in the first fight and Thor was holding back.
@@wbharry374 in their second fight, kratos grabs hold of thors hammer and also throws it back at him. A hammer that’s said to be unstoppable once thrown. Not to mention he flipped the 9 realms temple in the first game, and all the feats he accomplished during the Greek saga, such as resisting the titans from crushing him, etc. he practically has infinite strength, especially from his rage.
My guy, I dig the hell out of these, don't stop.
I am a bit late to this , but at 4:31 we can see that with every clash, thor is getting pushed back more and more while kratos is basically in the same position.
Was looking for this. It wasn't a stalemate, Thor was getting overpowered
“What are you swinging at” took me to the floor
I love this second fight so much, I know some people think that it's disappointing but it shows how close they actually are as warriors, Thor is exactly as younger Kratos was, he is impulsive, has a lot of rage and did some horrible things in his past, Kratos was actually destined to die by Thor's hands in Ragnarok but he break his fate by chosing to be better, that's the reason Kratos wins this fight, he already nows he's a monster, he accepted that he's done terrible things in his past but he needs to be better, he had more experience now and I love that Thor in the end becomes better by defying his father to save his family. Thor is one of my favorite characters of this franchise and I would love to see more of him.
If you look at it one way, Kratos technically did die at Thor’s hands when they first fought
@@cooperhayes1194No, he knocked him out. I know we got a death screen, but the place where Kratos was hit and lightning being the thing that resurrects him do not make sense. Electricity to the heart isn’t going to reverse blunt force trauma to the head 💀 💀
@Lord_Simpwalker Thor revives his goats after killing them and picking their bones clean.
Thor killed Kratos. Base fact.
@@DarkoRavens so basically the devs were calling kratos the goat
@@Zilla922 Mutton for slaughter
Great video, love it
I would love to provide a point you missed at 1:12
kratos punched thor in the face and managed to knock him out for a split second mid air
Facts!!! Great catch there.
Much appreciated for watching
Never once noticed that. Good catch
Yo, I never noticed that. Literally slept him midair and had to pull him back for seconds 😂
I’m not sure if it was a full knock out but it definetly a stun. Though it is quite possible to be a knockout as there are examples of “Glass Jaw” as that seems to be a point that can cause a full knockout if hit right
Man this game is 🔥 and these fight breakdowns are tuff
I feel like a big part of why Thor probably goes for these massive grabs without really doing any follow-up might be because he's used to being able to just crush opponents with his god/giant brute strength. I wouldn't be surprised if most opponents were straight-up zeroed after one session of that kind of head-squeezing
I'd actually love to see this with fights from The Matrix. Specifically the 1v1's between Neo and Smith.
Oh we need that
I love the final fight shows how in control kratos is
Your break downs add so much to the fights and I get to enjoy them in a completely different way! Love the creativity, keep it up! *subscribed*
Kratos ain't letting a Hammer Fly by around him. It would be like a 2v1 and you wouldn't want that. You'd rather have that hammer be in the hands of Thor and overpower him which he can fortunately.
These fight commentry videos are really well done, keep them coming!
@ 2:24
The reason Kratos can power through it is, well, he's the Son of Zeus, so he has some resistance to electricity
Kratos held back he didn’t hate Thor. Zeus was a Sky Father and king of the Greek gods and Kratos wanted his justice. I believe not the same fight.
I love this second fight so much, I know some people think that it's disappointing but it shows
Beautiful video cant wait for more in the future 😊
Found your channel yesterday when the kratos vs baldur vid popped up on my recommended and you deserve more subs bro keep doing what you’re doing
Bro these videos are so dope!!! Keep the train goin man much love!!
yes finally! Thank you so much man! waiting for heimdall next :)
Heimdall wouldn’t work because he only landed one punch on kratos
@@dutchvanderlinde4653 then odin
nvm actually
i love your style. please make more of this
this is awesome and refreshing keep it up man
These videos are thoroughly enjoyable ❤
I'm not even gonna lie dawg, this is your bag.
You should do more like this.
creative concept, this channel is going to blow up
I like your take on these fights keep doing what you are doing!
In the first battle, Kratos didn't recognize Thor, and he was holding back a lot. Even Thor was aware of that, you can see it in his words. In the first battle, after Thor catches Kratos off guard and sends him flying, Kratos punches him many times in the face, but Thor continues as if he is not affected by any of them. Kratos loses consciousness as a result of 2 consecutive heavy blows from Thor and Thor only wakes him up by shocking him with his hammer. Then Kratos starts fighting a little harder. When Thor mentions Atreus, Kratos lands a concussive blow and they end the first battle there. As for the second battle, the beginning starts the same way, thor sends kratos flying with his hammer, then kratos stuns him with just 2 punches and forces him to land on the ground. From this we can easily understand that Kratos was holding himself extremely restrained in the first battle. Thor was not as calm as he was in the first battle because Asgard was under attack and he thought his daughter was in danger and he had orders from Odin to kill him. While Thor was pushing his potential, Kratos just wanted to talk, he just wanted to stop him, not kill him. So Kratos was holding back as usual. My guess is that in the first battle he was only using 5% to 7% of his power and in the second battle he was using 15% to 20% of his power. So this battle was not even close.
I wouldn't really try and put an actual number to it. In the first fight, he held back his strength, out of habit if nothing else. In the second, he held back his lethality. Which is a far more important distinction, I believe.
Your videos are amazing, you deserve way more views. Your content added a lot of depth to the fights, really cool for someone like me who basically never watches any combat sports
I agree
I was also a little confused on why Kratos went for the catch on Mjolnir but realised that it was better option out of the 2. Had he dodged and gone for Thor, Thor would've bonked him with the recall (like the first fight) where Kratos would've had to rely on luck to dodge which is 5050 at best. Thor's grapple, while not ideal, would've been easier to recover from as it'll bring the fight more close quarters which I'd argue is Kratos' strongest point. Great overview of the entirety of the fights tho. I just binged through the others 🤣
Pretty much what you said yeah, the reason why marvel’s Hercules is considered slightly more skilled than marvel’s Thor is due to his superior grappling abilities (being Greek and all)
Thor (canonically) heals every time he touches the hammer.
This is why Kratos: 1. Stops the hammer from coming back to Thor and 2. Pins Thors hand to the ground, so he can't grab the hammer.
I think a lot of people are missing the more obvious reason why Kratos did that. Kratos has a history of not only beating Gods but also stealing their weapons and using it on them. He was gonna do that here too if Thor hadn't grabbed him.
Kratos has a history of turning a God’s weapons against them and the hammer not budging comes off as unintentional by Kratos.
I don’t think it was the better option when he got hit from the recall he just got stunned but here he was completely trapped in place with his back turned to his opponent. I know Thor didn’t have his weapon but he still could have done anything he wanted to Kratos in that moment rather then a simple throw. Unless Thor controls how hard and fast the hammer comes back im taking my chances getting bonked on the head then being trapped with my back turned to him.
Just got done watching all three of these. I think my favorite part about these videos is you highlighting that Kratos clearly has a specialty, which shows that the people in charge of the fight choreography took stuff like that into consideration.
whats the background music you use?
bro this content is dope keep going
when you come back makse sure you do kratos vs baldur 2 and 3.
Will do!
What I like about the Kratos vs Thor is the changin power dynamics.
Their first encounter Kratos had still recently brushed off the rust from fighting Baldur, while Thor was just under his most powerful. Only really lacking due to his lack constant combat like Kratos, but also due to his mental health reaching its close critical falling collapse.
In the second encounter Thor shows much more strength, power and control, but clearly doesn't have much heart in it. I think Thor knew Kratos had no intention of hurting his daughter from the begining. He just needed a physical vent. But at the same time Kratos is also for stronger, but significantly more mentally sound.
These breakdowns are so cool
In first encounter when thor send karos flying and then grab him in mid air and kratos punch him but couldn't get off him bcoz it was a off guard but in second fight same thing happens but this time kratos knock thor with in two punch bcoz he was ready which I think is pretty God detail
Yoooo this vids go hard asf u gotta do this break downs more often fr
Kratos vs Heimdall next?
4:38 You've missed a small detail that when Thor reacts to that smash it's certain that he toss his hammer out he wanted come back to snap for call the hammer.
3:39 the reason why he tried catching it cuz that he was worried that Thor might bring it back and it would do a heavy blow onto kratos’s back head
I think Thor Beats Kratosnin terms of raw physical power. Kratos edges him in speed, versatility and weapons
Agreed tho I think Spartan rage kratos beats Thor in power too
The hammer literally bounces off of him 😂
This is basically the entirety of God Of War. It's kratos's resilience, persistence , drive and ability to find ways to win through weapons or environmental is what gives him the win. He's hardly ever the most 'powerfull' in the room.
@@keifyboi6913 he is the most powerful by virtue of his skill, wits, experience, etc, but not by raw power.
@@bloodangel19 Although having said that, in terms of raw power, his overpowering the likes of Heracles and two mountain-sized Titans (Atlas in GoW2, Cronos in GoW3) definitely counts for something.
@@WonkyTonkBotty surely. But as of god of war 2018 he holds back most of his strength(he didn't rage once against thor in 2nd fight while he raged at least once against Baldur) so he mostly relies on his skills to weave and overwhelm.
cant wait to see the thor vs odin fight breakdown
Fun fact: If you activate Fury Spartan Rage in Thor fight, Mimir will try to tell Kratos to stay in controlled and he is able to reply back in perfect clarity. One more to note is that when in this rage, Kratos just shake off Mjolnir and having bounce off his body.
This is impressive consider that Thor was able to knock Kratos out of Valor healing like how Hercules managed to do with Kratos Blade of Olympus in GoW 3.
This video concept is so fucking cool, I would love to see this done for more games (Arkham maybe?)
keep going with thses, they're SICK
I've got to give it to sms, they might not have made the most epic thor fights scale wise but the choreography and attention to detail is surely worth something. Love these videos btw
Love the series :D U gotta do the Kratos Vs Heimdall fight :D
Feel like these two are meant to be near equal with one mistake being the deciding factor
Its another case of the immovable object vs. Irresistible force
Yo this is great please do more of these im def subscribing
This is Awesome content. I hope this attracts all the gaming community as well as the fighting fans community. it's a beautiful mix of both.
can you do hemidal next?
This was great!
The reason he caught the hammer because thor was nothing without it, he was holding it and he almost gained control of it
Thor does seem to rely on his weapons more than Kratos does but he was not even close to gaining control of it. I mean technically he did with the blades of chaos but definitely not by hand
REMEMBER; he stabbed Thor's hand to ground him too, effectively disarming his 'Thunder mode'
I love the part where Kratos manipulates the hammer with the blades of chaos since can’t pick it up and use it normally.
This is sick. Can you possibly analyze some Final Fantasty 16 fights? Not only are those fights beautiful, but I think there is a lot to be said about them.
These are brilliant, great idea. Though as a UFC & GOW fan, I am biased
I tought that kratos stabbing thors arms into the ground literally grounded him, like how you can spreqd electricity to the ground rathet than the area, maaking thors power weaker.
great videos, really looking forward to the future, the old gow games coming next?
Same again. Post night shift viewing, what an analysis. Keep them uo.
Also , subscribed! 👑
As an MMA fan and geek, this section is like a wet dream for me. Love your job dude
Man I love this style of videos. Hope you can do an analysis of Captain America vs Winter Soldier as well. Imo, that movie had the best fight choreography in the MCU. Would be interesting to see who you think won between their matches.
We need to start asking "who can fight Kratos and reliably beat him
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You know we gotta see Kratos vs Heimdall next.
Interesting type of content. Unique.
I seriously can't wait for kratos vs heimdal. That fight was legendary
Now you have to do one in which Thor destroys a player on max difficulty...
looks like you found your internet niche; this content is awesome! keep at it!
Hes back at it again🔥
cant wait for the heimdal breakdown
Don't know if you'd heard of Asuras Wrath but that's a good one for fights like these
try asura's wrath
You gotta do more ufc style video games analysis. These are so good
the only people who can give the spartans a run for their moeny is the dagestanis
Crazy how Thor's been spending this whole game with a gash in his belly.
I know where it came from, and why it's not healing, I just think it's cool he's able to keep soldiering on/interesting that nobody tries to exploit that wound.
Kratos adaptability to enemy's fight style simply unmatched
The second fight seemed more serious to me because it was clear that in the first fight, Thor was just testing Kratos to determine his abilities.
The first fight between Kratos and Thor always feels off to me, especially after hearing people debate whether Kratos was "holding back" or not. Both sides have valid arguments.
I think, overall, Kratos is holding back, only fully unleashing himself when Atreus' life is directly at risk. The Heimdall fight made this clearer to me. Kratos initially wanted Heimdall to surrender, and Heimdall even called him out on it. But once Heimdall made his choice, Kratos slowly sort of shifted into a "life-or-death" mode for Heimdall. Before Heimdall's death, you could see Kratos get more annoyed than hurt by Heimdall’s attacks, then finally snap and finish him off, choking him to death.
I also think Mimir understands exactly how much Kratos is holding back. His reaction to Heimdall's death, saying "This isn't who you want to be," seemed almost fearful. Like he would have regretted dangling off Kratos’ back, haha.
That said, I expected more from Thor’s fights with Kratos.
I feel like everyone forgets that Kratos is very similar to the Hulk, there is a reason his power is called Spartan Rage, him trying to be calm is inherently weakening him, but he's such a good fighter that it's not normally a problem. But, we see with Heimdall that if he's angered enough he can't control himself and will just kill you, which is exactly how he used to be in the Greek Era, and that's why he tries to hold back so much, he's afraid of being like his Younger self, especially since being so angry made him accidentally kill his first family and he doesn't want that to happen again. If he gets angry enough he doesn't recognize friend from foe.
Nice breakdown. I never agree with your assertion that "it's a fight so you must protect yourself at all times" because in the videos I've seen where you make that claim, it's always regarding a surprise or sneak attack. That's not "a fight" until after the sneak attack. It's by definition not something someone can reasonably be expected to defend against.
thor is kind of just a drunken brawler in this game where kratos has actual training from his spartan days
You need to factor in that Thor was going full power trying to kill Kratos, Kratos didn’t even use spartan rage and still over powered Thor in many occasions
The Kratos glazing be crazy lol