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You didn't go down their street or mention the Indian population in downtown Harvey that have been buying up the old homes and have rehabbed their little neighborhood. They even have a Mosque there. I hope they eventually buy up the whole city. At least they take care of their neighborhood and look out for each other.
Man it's so terrible I don't think I WANT to see more! I'm not racist but I wouldn't go anywhere near Harvey while driving my BMW 7 Series! (BTW, not to brag but I went to Harvard... fyi)
@@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549It’s not even like those cars and more expensive cars are not driven through and around Harvey. 😂 It’s still a major transportation area. Plus, plenty of Doctors and medical professionals work at the U of Chicago in Harvey and drive nice cars.
I lived in Harvey from 1989 until 2005. I grew up there. Playing in the abandoned mall, riding all over the city in my bike with friends, getting chased by crack heads, renting games from blockbuster video, getting shot at, getting my first job at the police station at 13, friends getting murdered over drugs, finding out my grade school girlfriend was having sex with her brother and a bunch of other dude (not me for some bogus reason), my 5th grade gym teacher became the mayor... a lot of memories in that town. Harvey is truly the toilet of the South Suburbs. I salute you Harvey.
I was born there in 1955 and Harvey was a great place to live and work, with good schools and plenty of good jobs. My dad was the Union Shop Steward where he worked, and also served as President of the Harvey Improvement Association around 1960. My sister and I went to Washington School, and there was no abandoned mall behind our house--that site was a golf course. There was a real downtown with businesses lining Main St and 154th (I think) and Mom shopped at the Jewel Tea Store. They were still building new residential housing in Harvey and there was some friction between white/non whites at times relating to unofficial segregation. Our folks sold to the first black family on that stretch of Washington and Mom had to walk us to school due to mailed threats. We walked to the Baptist Church and there were some black people who went there. Never thought to count the races. The Pastor was Brother LaSalle.
Wow, that's crazy the people thought blacks would bring crime, drugs, foreclosures, and overall decline to Harvey. Thank you for selling that house to the first of thousands of black people to enrich Harvey.
Must be the rose colored glasses, but it was. Dad worked at Sinclair Oil Research on Sibley and we lived on Winchester, 15300 block, which is still about like when we lived there.
Several observations about Harvey. The Mall scene in "Blues Brothers" was filmed at the Dixie Square Mall, as well as scenes at the Harvey Holiday Inn. Here is a little-known fact: According to the Pinkerton Detective Agency which investigated the robbery, around 1926 the last recorded train robbery in the US, took place on an Illinois Central Train in Harvey. Several men boarded the train in Harvey and proceeded to rob the passengers and I believe the mail car. The thieves were tracked to St. Louis where a deadly gun fight broke out, killing both robbers and cops. The Dixie Highway was a heavily travelled route from Chicago to Florida up until the early 1970s when several Interstates were completed down to Florida.
@swannoir7949 no Dixie Hwy. runs north and south to connect Chicago and Florida. Route 66 runs east and west and connects both coasts. I think Lincoln Hwy. was part of Route 66.
The south suburbs were a great place 60 years ago. I lived in Chicago Heights back then. Harvey and Hazel Crest were starting their descent in the 70s.
There’s no mention of healthcare in Harvey. Ingall’s Memorial Hospital was founded in 1923 by a wealthy industrialist named Frederick Ingalls. It is now owned by the University of Chicago Health System.
@@kendalson7100 I can assure you its still open and operating. Im a paramedic and just picked up a patient from there a couple weeks back. I was born there too. Both St. James in Chicago Heights and Metro South in Blue Island closed in recent years tho. Olympia Fields has had its own St. James hospital for at least a couple decades. I go there somewhat regularly too.
My former boss' parents used to live in Harvey. They sold their home for 27k in the 1980's. They waited too long to sell and prices continued to slide. They bought a mobile home (even farther south suburbs, can't remember where). Couldn't afford anything else with that kind of equity.
A Major League Baseball record that will NEVER EVER be broken has roots in Harvey, Illinois. Detroit Tigers Pitcher, Denny McClain, who went to Mt. Carmel High school on the South Side of Chicago, won 31 games in 1968. Denny was from Harvey Illinois. Unfortunately, just like Harvey, Denny fell into some rough times of his own
I bought a Sony Walkman from the Service Merchandise in Washington Square Mall. It was fancy because it had auto reverse so I didn’t even need to pop the tape out 😂
If one starts driving on Halsted coming from the north of the city all the way south, it's like driving a time machine, the south of the city it's stuck in the past like 20 or 30 years.
It's crazy how people who aren't from the community come here to make content and talk sh!t for views, but won't show the nicer areas. They only show the worst of the worst, and when you do that, it's easy to say an area is horrible. I own a house in Harvey and lived in Chicago, the only difference is the population. Overall, most of us take pride in our homes, and some houses here are being sold for close to $300k, and are immaculate. I wish people would speak to the community instead of riding through with cameras and relying on analytics and statistics to describe a city and its people.
last night i was looking for my grandpas childhood home on lexington, and it is unfortunately now gone. i will say that there are some well kept and nice homes that i saw. the boarded up or burnt up houses are sad to see. i miss the south suburbs. will county is strange in comparison.
I respectfully disagree. I was born and raised on 148th Marshfield from 1973-2009, and Harvey is a dump. Political robbery and the loss of work completely debilitated the area. I’m not proud of the outcome but it’s depressing and a dump….
@@dneil8867 to each their own and everyone has their personal opinions and experiences but I purchased a home here a few years ago and I’m happy. Some of the areas can be an eye sore due to the abandoned houses/buildings. I grew up in Chicago so living in Harvey is not much of a difference just the population. My family is safe, I can sit in my backyard at 2-3am without fear. A lot has changed here.
My grandparents came to America from Germany and built a house in Harvey. It was a nice place in the 40/50’s from what I understand. People tried to convince gma to get out of the neighborhood at one point, but she ignored them. By the time she sold the house in the 80’s she lost money on it.
If she bought the house in the 40s, how could she loose money by selling in the 80s? Even with lowered property values compared to Chicago she had to have made some profit.
@chrystallee5528 Right. Even with the blight and decline she should have been able to walk away with some profit considering it was built in the 1940s
@@chrystallee5528 Right, there's no way to lose money unless she gave it away for free. She may not have walked away with much, but there still had to be some profit considering that it was built in the 1940s.
I have very deep DNA to the Harvey area. I was born there and grew up in Markham in the early 70's. My grandparents came to the area from the far south because of the ease of getting a job in Harvey. Harvey has and had many great companies like Whiting (made cranes), Bliss &Laughlin Steel, Perfection Gear, Allied Tube, and many others. I remember in 1986 when a Photon (laser tag) opened and it was a hot place for teens. One thing I blame unions for..They cause the labor pool to become over-priced with demands and dues, that the members end up getting nothing as the company moves somewhere else. The only people that seem to do well is the union representatives. The one great thing about Harvey you should have mentioned..Ingalls Hospital..One of the very best in the state if not the country!
Unions are there for protections. Blame your local politicians for not making the area business friendly. If the workers have to be well paid, the companies deserve a break on taxes for providing jobs and industry.
I work in the downtown train station that serves Harvey. The people going there are nice, hardworking people…obviously they have jobs so it’s just weird to me how bleak it is…
WOW Chris !!!! Thank you so much for making this video. I am including a link to it in an important article that I am currently writing and that is how I just found it. I was born in 1959 in Harvey and raised in its at that time all-White Eastern section. Lots more to say ... but just want to thank you here !!!! God bless you !!!! ❤
More retail doesn't hurt existing retail unless the existing retail offers an inferior experience/product. Harvey's retail suffered because residents were losing their jobs as companies moved away and white flight ensued, leading to faster property decline and community degradation. Not that white people are the key to success because this happens to predominantly black middle-class areas also when people that are dependent on government move in (section 8, ebt recipients, etc.) and those middle-class, working class people move away when they see negative changes in their neighborhood
All the Jobs and industry left Harvey and so did the hard working men and women who actually mowed lawns and pulled weeds and washed windows and said hello to people and weren’t on drugs. Harvey was destroyed by politicians along with Lyndon b. Johnson. The corruption is unbelievable and the ridiculous property taxes are insane so nobody pays them and the town can’t afford to fix roads or clean up anything or purchase anything . It was so bad the town stole money from the firefighters pension and they were afraid the folks wouldn’t get paid . The crooked mayors along with pritz contribute to the decline .They promise everything but deliver nothing and idiots still vote for them because they promise free stuff that never arrives . You can’t put lipstick on a pig ,Harvey is beyond repair sad because there are some really decent people with good hearts there who have to deal with this nonsense.
Property values go down, property tax rates go up. And once that cycle begins it takes really good governance to reverse it. Unfortunately, the problem likely began precisely due to bad governance.
Being from this area, I love these Calumet region/Thorton Township videos of the south suburbs. For an area with a lot of people, this area doesn't get talked about much unless its crime related or you have a Super Mayor. Maybe do Hammond, IN sometime, or another suburb that managed to stay in decent shape for awhile until recently Lansing.
Harvey had the infamous Dixie Square Mall shown in the movie The Blues Brothers in which the Blues Brothers drive through the dead mall. That mall "died" early.
A lower score than East St Louis? Did'nt think that was possible... Are you planning on covering Sauk Villiage IL? I used to visit freinds there in the mid 90s..
Turlington had at least one grandchild that got to see his grandfather's dream turn into a nightmare but several others certainly witnessed the decline.
I been living here for 8 years coming from a place like Berwyn IL and I can tell you it’s has been a big downgrade and not to mention the shootings always happening here either at night or day. I don’t feel safe here but we had to move here for the affordable housing back then now i been lowkey regretting that decision for a couple years now
Another interesting and informative video with still so many towns to do. University Park, Richton Park, Sauk Village, Flossmoor, Thornton, Robbins, Hazel Crest, Posen, Blue Island, Crestwood, Markham, Phoenix, Park Forrest, South Holland
I very much enjoyed this video. Your immense research and subtleties are appreciated! Going to check out your video about the super mayor next. I've been following that story closely and am looking forward to having a look around her town. I might even cover her on my channel soon. *hoping for a federal indictment*
It's true. After the projects in Chicago were demolished, those residents were given section 8 vouchers and spread out all around in the south suburbs bringing all their "Project Mentality" and behaviors with them. Harvey was already on the skids when they arrived and that dump on the community just added more momentum to the complete destruction of Harvey and neighboring communities. I lived in Harvey for 10 years. I watched my neighbors moving away and the Working class culture turn into a Welfare culture. It was another failed government social experiment. Harvey is the Armpit of the South Suburbs.
What was the industry of that town? Why did the industry leave? Who moved the industry out of the town? That sums up your video with three questions. When you take jobs away what does one think willl happen to a town?
Why does it seem that not just 1 or 2 towns but the entire area south of Chicago is a dump. I’ll include the area of northwest Indiana that borders it also.
Because most of the South suburbs were home to factory workers, who worked at plants like the US Steel South Works. Then came the 70s recession and the "Reagan Revolution." The factories closed, the jobs disappeared and "they ain't never comin' back" to quote Bruce Springsteen.
@@thomasclark3348true. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) I believe during the Clinton Administration, took all the middle class blue collars jobs out of America. Sent them overseas to China, Mexico and South America. Jobs went everywhere except America. Leaving a destructive trail in small suburbs across America behind.
There are some nice suburbs down there mostly on the Southwest side (eg. Palos Heights; Orland Park, Olympia fields, Homewood/ Flosmore/County Club hills)
@@PeterGazis-iz9feplaces like Orland Park and Palos Hill do not belong to the traditional definition of south suburban Chicagoland. I consider I57 being the dividing line. Towns lie west of the highway are mostly decent
If Walmart left because of theft, the thieves are still there! The thieves will just move to Kohls, Home Depot or Best Buy! Those stores will eventually leave unless crime is addressed!!
NW Indiana here. The clubs closed at 3 am. in Indiana and a couple clubs in Harvey had 5 am. liquor license on Halsted & maybe 166th.....just north of 294. One was called "Ship Captain & Crew" on the west side of Halsted and the other one was just south of it on the west side too. Both clubs would be packed wall to wall......had a lot of great times there. As soon as the bars/clubs closed at 3 am. on any given Friday or Saturday we'd jump in the cars and head to Harvey back in the mid to late 80's.....seemed like we did it for year. Then if you wanted to after they closed at 5 am. you could head back to Indiana for a drink because in Indiana the bars could open at 5 am. LOL, what a wasted youth I had...............
I hate that that is the popular trend for Chicago factories. Factory is doing great and enhancing the neighborhood around it. Then when some of the people the already work at the factory want to move into the neighborhood and experience that economy they suddenly need to shut it down?
All I can remember about Harvey was that they had the Photon arena at the expo center which also housed some really good rave parties back in the late 90's early 2000's.
I grew up in Hammond where I tuned in an AM Jazz station WBEE that broadcasted from Harvey. Moved to Texas in 1977 since there wasn't any future by staying in the Region once the industries began closing down.
Dixie Square was already closed before filming began. My uncle was an extra. After filming, it was reclosed. Now torn down with new senior housing development
The mall closed one year prior to the filming of The Blues Brothers but Universal Studios and director John Landis agreed to repair the damage done in the mall during filming. He didn't repair the damages and Harvey actually sued Universal Studios for damages @johng5710
Chris, I've been with you for awhile and I appreciate your assessments and comments about the places you evaluate. I've always had a huge fascination for greater Detroit since I was 12 years old. It was 1968 and my parents flew me by myself from Syracuse, NY to either Chicago or Milwaukee with a 2 hour layover in Willow Run. I remember wandering around the airport checking out all the ads and promo things of everything Detroit. There was a lot of race rioting in '68 and that only added to the mystique to everything. Not only Detroit, but all the major rust belt cities as well as cities all over. Anyhow, I was raised to believe that no one should be treated any differently due to race, religion, ethnicity or any other of the federally outlawed "buzz words". Which brings me to the reason why I authored this comment. I was also taught to believe that it's impossible to fix something when the actual root cause is not to be mentioned. In your own inimitable way, you have the rare ability to say what should be said and have just the right inflection in your voice that tells me that you think all this is destructive and could be somewhat corrected if people were able to focus on actual problems rather than problems of intentionally misleading proxy. Thanks and carry on. There's no place that's all bad or all good. But evil survives by obfuscation, innuendo, coercion and outright lies. They don't want things corrected. In fact, evil is attempting to spread this destruction anywhere people are too cowardly to stand up for truth! Be safe and carry on.
Calumet was a good video. Now I’ll watch this one. Side note, I grew up not too far from either of these places in Tinley Park. Very nice peaceful quiet there and it’s rundown and ragged like some of these burbs are getting
Both of my parents were from Harvey. It was much different when they were growing up! The area near 159th & Halsted used to be an old Polish neighborhood. That definitely wasn't the case when my grandpa passed in 2002 and we had to fix and sell his house. I was born at Ingalls Memorial in Harvey also but when I was 3 my parents got us outta there and moved us to DuPage county. I guess things were starting to get bad then! I do remember visiting Dixie Square Mall when I was younger while visiting my grandparents to see the skid marks left in the parking lot from when they were filmed The Blues Brothers. That was pretty cool to a 7 year old like me! I live in Michigan now...We drove through Harvey about 2 yrs ago and it's not a place I really want to visit (or even drive through) again! But it was once beautiful!
My mom was born in Harvey and lived just off of 159th & Halsted, it's so different now but I can remember what it looked like in the 70's like it was yesterday. It was indeed a Polish neighborhood and they had some of the best restaurants in that area.
Naw, man. Harvey had a thriving Black middle-class after the Whites left. Section-8 was an issue, but the 'low-income people' theory you used is not the reason Harvey is fiscally messed up. T was a secession of corrupt mayors that ultimately saw Harvey's demise, and that could be said about most of these towns where you see this type of decline. My uncled lived in Harvey and as a kid in the 70s, it was still nice, but certain areas had that element, like most.
Brilliant narrative evaluation tied in with excellent video and awesome (and heartbreaking) drone footage. This is much much more than evaluation of a community that has seen better days. Instead this is a carefully researched and assembled demonstration of what can and does work or not work essentially anywhere! This is not about talking points instead it is or should be a wake up call for everyone. There is so much wisdom here like the importance of good government, schools, public safety, planning etc. Being an old timer I am amazed how well he recaps the history that I remember going through. Chris should be given an honorary PHD in humanities, urban planning or history for his hard and heartfelt illuminating work.
There is gentrification going on in Harvey. The Indian community is changing many of the streets around their mosque. Pace and The Metra electric hubs are investing millions of dollars in infrastructure and upgrading the transportation hubs in Harvey. The U of Chicago would not have purchased Ingalls Hospital and made it part of their medical facilities. It’s a matter of time and big plans are coming Harvey’s way.
Our state attorney in cook county will not charge them unless it is over 1,000 dollars. There is also the safe t act, arrest and let go only never for them to come to court.
@@IOMMIFAN6565 I think theres still a biker bar there but they didnt show much presence. Worked on an ambulance in harvey for a few years and never saw a single white biker.
Why doesn't anyone talk about the very first settler and homeowner in South Lawn in 1874... John Gay... he purchased 2 lots of land and lived neighborless for about 3 years...
You are absolutely correct , Harvey was not bad at all I grew up in the south suburbs and it was absolutely beautiful, I started noticing the difference in the new breed of people coming in town from the worst part of Chicago in the early 80s. starting with the pants hanging off or down off the rare end , very strange and out of the ordinary and my first time hearing a lot of gunshots I was relaxing in my back yard trying to watch a black and white movie and gunfire popping off from everywhere I jumped up ran into the house and never ever watched a movie out side in my backyard again , that was the beginning and the end of the suburbs something awful got in and took over and just wiped it out went through every little suburban town with its ugliness everywhere and just distorted it .
How is Target 🎯 able to survive and Wal-Mart had to pull up roots and move? Wal-Mart never gets ran outta business, its usually the other way around. They destroyed Kmart and Sears just to name a few. But if the shoplifting out weighs the tax breaks, yep, there gone!
We lived in Harvey until 1965. Thank God my father was able to get out and we moved to Homewood. My dad was friends with the mayor. He was white and a huge racist. He didn't care about the city at all. Its a shame the town went to hell.
„If the shoplifting can stay under control.“ Good one! 😂😂😂. I went to K through 5 not too far away in Glenwood in the late 60s/early 70s and then 6 to 8 at Brookwood Jr. High. Let’s just say that, looking at the Illinois report cards for these schools, that a whole lot has changed since then. I am so glad that I am thousands of miles away from that rot.
I remember going to Dixie Square Mall as a very young child with my mom and sisters, one of whom appeared as an extra in various scenes in The Blues Brothers. Dixie Square was used for the mall scenes in that movie.
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You didn't go down their street or mention the Indian population in downtown Harvey that have been buying up the old homes and have rehabbed their little neighborhood. They even have a Mosque there.
I hope they eventually buy up the whole city. At least they take care of their neighborhood and look out for each other.
Man it's so terrible I don't think I WANT to see more!
I'm not racist but I wouldn't go anywhere near Harvey while driving my BMW 7 Series!
(BTW, not to brag but I went to Harvard... fyi)
@@pizzaearthpancakesandother2549It’s not even like those cars and more expensive cars are not driven through and around Harvey. 😂 It’s still a major transportation area. Plus, plenty of Doctors and medical professionals work at the U of Chicago in Harvey and drive nice cars.
Can you do a review of Sauk Village?
I lived in Harvey from 1989 until 2005. I grew up there. Playing in the abandoned mall, riding all over the city in my bike with friends, getting chased by crack heads, renting games from blockbuster video, getting shot at, getting my first job at the police station at 13, friends getting murdered over drugs, finding out my grade school girlfriend was having sex with her brother and a bunch of other dude (not me for some bogus reason), my 5th grade gym teacher became the mayor... a lot of memories in that town. Harvey is truly the toilet of the South Suburbs. I salute you Harvey.
Stay strong.
Damn that's rough. Hope all is better now.
@@302Mustang13 I don't live there anymore. That city is worse than ever.
is harvey toilet or joilet toliet of the south
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I was born there in 1955 and Harvey was a great place to live and work, with good schools and plenty of good jobs. My dad was the Union Shop Steward where he worked, and also served as President of the Harvey Improvement Association around 1960. My sister and I went to Washington School, and there was no abandoned mall behind our house--that site was a golf course. There was a real downtown with businesses lining Main St and 154th (I think) and Mom shopped at the Jewel Tea Store.
They were still building new residential housing in Harvey and there was some friction between white/non whites at times relating to unofficial segregation. Our folks sold to the first black family on that stretch of Washington and Mom had to walk us to school due to mailed threats. We walked to the Baptist Church and there were some black people who went there. Never thought to count the races. The Pastor was Brother LaSalle.
Wow, that's crazy the people thought blacks would bring crime, drugs, foreclosures, and overall decline to Harvey.
Thank you for selling that house to the first of thousands of black people to enrich Harvey.
I can't fathom it being s nice town
@@msully76 My parents went on their first date together at Dixie mall back in like 1970.
Must be the rose colored glasses, but it was. Dad worked at Sinclair Oil Research on Sibley and we lived on Winchester, 15300 block, which is still about like when we lived there.
Several observations about Harvey. The Mall scene in "Blues Brothers" was filmed at the Dixie Square Mall, as well as scenes at the Harvey Holiday Inn. Here is a little-known fact: According to the Pinkerton Detective Agency which investigated the robbery, around 1926 the last recorded train robbery in the US, took place on an Illinois Central Train in Harvey. Several men boarded the train in Harvey and proceeded to rob the passengers and I believe the mail car. The thieves were tracked to St. Louis where a deadly gun fight broke out, killing both robbers and cops. The Dixie Highway was a heavily travelled route from Chicago to Florida up until the early 1970s when several Interstates were completed down to Florida.
Aye that’s really cool information
Thanks for the great history lesson
Stay up!
Wasn't it Jessie and Frank James and gang that did that heist?
@@ronnieitaquab1008 Jesse died in the 1880s this took place 40 years later.
Wasn't Dixie HWY a part of historic Route 66?
@swannoir7949 no Dixie Hwy. runs north and south to connect Chicago and Florida. Route 66 runs east and west and connects both coasts. I think Lincoln Hwy. was part of Route 66.
Always enjoy your content! Especially in my area of Chicago suburbs.
The south suburbs were a great place 60 years ago. I lived in Chicago Heights back then. Harvey and Hazel Crest were starting their descent in the 70s.
I had two aunts in Hazelcrest in the early to mid 90s. It was still a nice area at that time
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Thanks!
There’s no mention of healthcare in Harvey. Ingall’s Memorial Hospital was founded in 1923 by a wealthy industrialist named Frederick Ingalls. It is now owned by the University of Chicago Health System.
I think Ingalls closed and moved out to Olympia Fields.
@@kendalson7100 No it didn’t close and move. Its there open and Wood street is going through a major transition to the U of Chicago Ingalls
@@kendalson7100 I can assure you its still open and operating. Im a paramedic and just picked up a patient from there a couple weeks back. I was born there too. Both St. James in Chicago Heights and Metro South in Blue Island closed in recent years tho. Olympia Fields has had its own St. James hospital for at least a couple decades. I go there somewhat regularly too.
Born at Ingalls in the mid '50s. My Dad was born there in the '30s. Sure wish it hadn't gone down the sewer.
My former boss' parents used to live in Harvey. They sold their home for 27k in the 1980's. They waited too long to sell and prices continued to slide. They bought a mobile home (even farther south suburbs, can't remember where). Couldn't afford anything else with that kind of equity.
A Major League Baseball record that will NEVER EVER be broken has roots in Harvey, Illinois. Detroit Tigers Pitcher, Denny McClain, who went to Mt. Carmel High school on the South Side of Chicago, won 31 games in 1968. Denny was from Harvey Illinois. Unfortunately, just like Harvey, Denny fell into some rough times of his own
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grifting on others hard times
@@octsurp11boohoo sad story
I remember when across the street from Best Buy, was a shopping mall called. Washington Square Mall. I watched Boyz n da Hood there
I bought a Sony Walkman from the Service Merchandise in Washington Square Mall. It was fancy because it had auto reverse so I didn’t even need to pop the tape out 😂
I remember that mall and movie theater. I saw "The Lonely Lady" there. It was close to the old Washington Park racetrack.
If one starts driving on Halsted coming from the north of the city all the way south, it's like driving a time machine, the south of the city it's stuck in the past like 20 or 30 years.
It's crazy how people who aren't from the community come here to make content and talk sh!t for views, but won't show the nicer areas. They only show the worst of the worst, and when you do that, it's easy to say an area is horrible. I own a house in Harvey and lived in Chicago, the only difference is the population. Overall, most of us take pride in our homes, and some houses here are being sold for close to $300k, and are immaculate. I wish people would speak to the community instead of riding through with cameras and relying on analytics and statistics to describe a city and its people.
last night i was looking for my grandpas childhood home on lexington, and it is unfortunately now gone. i will say that there are some well kept and nice homes that i saw. the boarded up or burnt up houses are sad to see. i miss the south suburbs. will county is strange in comparison.
I respectfully disagree. I was born and raised on 148th Marshfield from 1973-2009, and Harvey is a dump. Political robbery and the loss of work completely debilitated the area. I’m not proud of the outcome but it’s depressing and a dump….
@@dneil8867 to each their own and everyone has their personal opinions and experiences but I purchased a home here a few years ago and I’m happy. Some of the areas can be an eye sore due to the abandoned houses/buildings. I grew up in Chicago so living in Harvey is not much of a difference just the population. My family is safe, I can sit in my backyard at 2-3am without fear. A lot has changed here.
Back in 1989-90 Harvey was a small part of my sales territory. I never went there unless a potential customer called us, per my bosses instructions
Harvey looks like something out of nightmare on elm street,it’s so bad the mice moved to markham.
My grandparents came to America from Germany and built a house in Harvey. It was a nice place in the 40/50’s from what I understand. People tried to convince gma to get out of the neighborhood at one point, but she ignored them. By the time she sold the house in the 80’s she lost money on it.
If she bought the house in the 40s, how could she loose money by selling in the 80s?
Even with lowered property values compared to Chicago she had to have made some profit.
@@chrystallee5528She did! Houses are selling for 100,000 dollars still in Harvey
@@chrystallee5528Because by the time the 80s came, Harvey was bad (and home values started to decline).
@chrystallee5528 Right. Even with the blight and decline she should have been able to walk away with some profit considering it was built in the 1940s
@@chrystallee5528 Right, there's no way to lose money unless she gave it away for free. She may not have walked away with much, but there still had to be some profit considering that it was built in the 1940s.
As a 1970s Teen I Used to Go to Dixie Square Mall in Harvey, IL.
I have very deep DNA to the Harvey area. I was born there and grew up in Markham in the early 70's. My grandparents came to the area from the far south because of the ease of getting a job in Harvey.
Harvey has and had many great companies like Whiting (made cranes), Bliss &Laughlin Steel, Perfection Gear, Allied Tube, and many others. I remember in 1986 when a Photon (laser tag) opened and it was a hot place for teens.
One thing I blame unions for..They cause the labor pool to become over-priced with demands and dues, that the members end up getting nothing as the company moves somewhere else. The only people that seem to do well is the union representatives.
The one great thing about Harvey you should have mentioned..Ingalls Hospital..One of the very best in the state if not the country!
I agree about Ingalls hospital!
Unions are there for protections. Blame your local politicians for not making the area business friendly. If the workers have to be well paid, the companies deserve a break on taxes for providing jobs and industry.
I was born at Ingalls in 1956, grew up in "Da Height's"
I work in the downtown train station that serves Harvey. The people going there are nice, hardworking people…obviously they have jobs so it’s just weird to me how bleak it is…
WOW Chris !!!! Thank you so much for making this video. I am including a link to it in an important article that I am currently writing and that is how I just found it. I was born in 1959 in Harvey and raised in its at that time all-White Eastern section. Lots more to say ... but just want to thank you here !!!! God bless you !!!! ❤
Downtown Harvey went downhill after River Oaks Mall in Calumet City opened in the 1960s. That mall destroyed retail in Harvey and Hammond Indiana.
No Harvey, had much bigger issues. Don't kid yourself.
@@harborside10What issues specifically?
@@kagreen2klots and lots of factories closing.
@@truckerkevthepaidtourist Agreed. That happened to the whole south side and south suburbs.
More retail doesn't hurt existing retail unless the existing retail offers an inferior experience/product. Harvey's retail suffered because residents were losing their jobs as companies moved away and white flight ensued, leading to faster property decline and community degradation. Not that white people are the key to success because this happens to predominantly black middle-class areas also when people that are dependent on government move in (section 8, ebt recipients, etc.) and those middle-class, working class people move away when they see negative changes in their neighborhood
Harvey has some interesting history. I doubt anything productive will happen there in the next 30 years except more people leaving and more blight.
Same unfortunately so
Some of these places look as if they must retun to what they ued to be: farmland.
I enjoyed my time in Harvey as a sheriff police officer.
Great people. Few bad apples
a Few bad apples🤣🤣🤣
I grew up in Harvey way back in the day and it used to be a nice town until welllll, you know......Need I say more ? 😳
Yes. Please say more.
Please elaborate
All the Jobs and industry left Harvey and so did the hard working men and women who actually mowed lawns and pulled weeds and washed windows and said hello to people and weren’t on drugs. Harvey was destroyed by politicians along with Lyndon b. Johnson. The corruption is unbelievable and the ridiculous property taxes are insane so nobody pays them and the town can’t afford to fix roads or clean up anything or purchase anything . It was so bad the town stole money from the firefighters pension and they were afraid the folks wouldn’t get paid . The crooked mayors along with pritz contribute to the decline .They promise everything but deliver nothing and idiots still vote for them because they promise free stuff that never arrives . You can’t put lipstick on a pig ,Harvey is beyond repair sad because there are some really decent people with good hearts there who have to deal with this nonsense.
Your a white Jew of course you’ll say some racist shit
And these south suburbs have the nerve to charge triple the property taxes as Chicago for subpar schools😤
I know right? Lol
Property values go down, property tax rates go up. And once that cycle begins it takes really good governance to reverse it. Unfortunately, the problem likely began precisely due to bad governance.
Harvey has been like this for many decades now
Being from this area, I love these Calumet region/Thorton Township videos of the south suburbs. For an area with a lot of people, this area doesn't get talked about much unless its crime related or you have a Super Mayor. Maybe do Hammond, IN sometime, or another suburb that managed to stay in decent shape for awhile until recently Lansing.
Lansing is really shifting towards becoming another Bellwood where it was nice but now everything is just starting to decline 😒
Thank you for doing these well narrated and very informative 👍
Harvey had the infamous Dixie Square Mall shown in the movie The Blues Brothers in which the Blues Brothers drive through the dead mall. That mall "died" early.
A lower score than East St Louis? Did'nt think that was possible... Are you planning on covering Sauk Villiage IL? I used to visit freinds there in the mid 90s..
Yeah one day I’ll do Sauk Village
Turlington had at least one grandchild that got to see his grandfather's dream turn into a nightmare but several others certainly witnessed the decline.
The Blues Brothers was filmed in Dixie Square Mall. They fixed it up just to film the movie, because it had already closed.
TTHS Class of 1986 here! 86' is in the mix! Good times. :))
Willie Clark is my brother
Class of 2010
1996! 👍🏽
My mother was the class of '72. Dad graduated from Thornridge that same year.
I been living here for 8 years coming from a place like Berwyn IL and I can tell you it’s has been a big downgrade and not to mention the shootings always happening here either at night or day. I don’t feel safe here but we had to move here for the affordable housing back then now i been lowkey regretting that decision for a couple years now
The casino parking garage is on a site that used to be a Sheraton Inn. But closed because of crime.
MLB HOF player/manager/broadcaster Lou Boudreau was from Harvey and Thornton HS
Another interesting and informative video with still so many towns to do.
University Park, Richton Park, Sauk Village, Flossmoor, Thornton, Robbins, Hazel Crest, Posen, Blue Island, Crestwood, Markham, Phoenix, Park Forrest, South Holland
Park Forest would be a very interesting town to cover as it boomed after WWII and had so much retail there with the Centre.
Don't forget the little Hamlet of Phoenix right next to harvey
I very much enjoyed this video. Your immense research and subtleties are appreciated! Going to check out your video about the super mayor next. I've been following that story closely and am looking forward to having a look around her town. I might even cover her on my channel soon. *hoping for a federal indictment*
They dumped cabriny green in Harvey. That caused the White flight
You are a true sociologist. Brilliant comment
It's true. After the projects in Chicago were demolished, those residents were given section 8 vouchers and spread out all around in the south suburbs bringing all their "Project Mentality" and behaviors with them. Harvey was already on the skids when they arrived and that dump on the community just added more momentum to the complete destruction of Harvey and neighboring communities.
I lived in Harvey for 10 years. I watched my neighbors moving away and the Working class culture turn into a Welfare culture.
It was another failed government social experiment.
Harvey is the Armpit of the South Suburbs.
😂 besides the fact that you misspelled Cabrini 😂 your comment is historically inaccurate
@@KeanWolcottHe's being facetious, but he does have a point.
What was the industry of that town? Why did the industry leave? Who moved the industry out of the town? That sums up your video with three questions. When you take jobs away what does one think willl happen to a town?
Steel
The big one allied tube & conduit
Allis Charmels tractors
They were powered by what was known as the Harvey engine
Wow, the entire civilization is unraveling.
Very good video. You are one the best UA-camrs out there!
Thank you!
Why does it seem that not just 1 or 2 towns but the entire area south of Chicago is a dump. I’ll include the area of northwest Indiana that borders it also.
Because most of the South suburbs were home to factory workers, who worked at plants like the US Steel South Works. Then came the 70s recession and the "Reagan Revolution." The factories closed, the jobs disappeared and "they ain't never comin' back" to quote Bruce Springsteen.
@@thomasclark3348true. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) I believe during the Clinton Administration, took all the middle class blue collars jobs out of America. Sent them overseas to China, Mexico and South America. Jobs went everywhere except America. Leaving a destructive trail in small suburbs across America behind.
There are some nice suburbs down there mostly on the Southwest side (eg. Palos Heights; Orland Park, Olympia fields, Homewood/ Flosmore/County Club hills)
@@PeterGazis-iz9feplaces like Orland Park and Palos Hill do not belong to the traditional definition of south suburban Chicagoland. I consider I57 being the dividing line. Towns lie west of the highway are mostly decent
@@PeterGazis-iz9fe Obviously, you have never been to Country Club Hills. And it's Flossmoor
Pat, I'd like to solve the puzzle.
If Walmart left because of theft, the thieves are still there! The thieves will just move to Kohls, Home Depot or Best Buy! Those stores will eventually leave unless crime is addressed!!
NW Indiana here. The clubs closed at 3 am. in Indiana and a couple clubs in Harvey had 5 am. liquor license on Halsted & maybe 166th.....just north of 294. One was called "Ship Captain & Crew" on the west side of Halsted and the other one was just south of it on the west side too. Both clubs would be packed wall to wall......had a lot of great times there. As soon as the bars/clubs closed at 3 am. on any given Friday or Saturday we'd jump in the cars and head to Harvey back in the mid to late 80's.....seemed like we did it for year. Then if you wanted to after they closed at 5 am. you could head back to Indiana for a drink because in Indiana the bars could open at 5 am. LOL, what a wasted youth I had...............
My daughter was born in Harvey Illinois in 1980 at Ingall’s Memorial hospital .
I hate that that is the popular trend for Chicago factories. Factory is doing great and enhancing the neighborhood around it. Then when some of the people the already work at the factory want to move into the neighborhood and experience that economy they suddenly need to shut it down?
maybe I need to do a deep dive into how close together and related those things are
Glad my family left back in the early 70’s.
We all know why the crime & shoplifting but are forbidden to fix it.
Chris, such a great story. You are a true historian and I thank you for all your knowledge and taking us places we would never visit. Cheers!
I can't believe that the Walmart in Homewood is closed down.. Use to shop there each week until i left in spring of 2018..
I left in 2015. That Walmart was doomed frm the start.
Used to have a nice park over by Ingalls Hospital.
All I can remember about Harvey was that they had the Photon arena at the expo center which also housed some really good rave parties back in the late 90's early 2000's.
I remember Photon. Went there in high school in the 80s when Deep House Music was the thing then.
I grew up in Hammond where I tuned in an AM Jazz station WBEE that broadcasted from Harvey. Moved to Texas in 1977 since there wasn't any future by staying in the Region once the industries began closing down.
Dixie Square was used in the filming of the Blue Brothers. The scene totally destroyed the mall, and it was never repaired/rebuilt.
I believe the mall had already been abandoned/closed by the time they filmed the scene, that's why they were allowed to totally destroy it
Too many black people. Doesn't happen to white towns change my mind
Dixie Square was already closed before filming began. My uncle was an extra. After filming, it was reclosed. Now torn down with new senior housing development
The mall closed one year prior to the filming of The Blues Brothers but Universal Studios and director John Landis agreed to repair the damage done in the mall during filming. He didn't repair the damages and Harvey actually sued Universal Studios for damages @johng5710
I was born on the south side and raised in Harvey. I’m considering buying property in Harvey to give back to my old stomping grounds
Chris, I've been with you for awhile and I appreciate your assessments and comments about the places you evaluate. I've always had a huge fascination for greater Detroit since I was 12 years old. It was 1968 and my parents flew me by myself from Syracuse, NY to either Chicago or Milwaukee with a 2 hour layover in Willow Run. I remember wandering around the airport checking out all the ads and promo things of everything Detroit. There was a lot of race rioting in '68 and that only added to the mystique to everything. Not only Detroit, but all the major rust belt cities as well as cities all over. Anyhow, I was raised to believe that no one should be treated any differently due to race, religion, ethnicity or any other of the federally outlawed "buzz words". Which brings me to the reason why I authored this comment. I was also taught to believe that it's impossible to fix something when the actual root cause is not to be mentioned. In your own inimitable way, you have the rare ability to say what should be said and have just the right inflection in your voice that tells me that you think all this is destructive and could be somewhat corrected if people were able to focus on actual problems rather than problems of intentionally misleading proxy. Thanks and carry on. There's no place that's all bad or all good. But evil survives by obfuscation, innuendo, coercion and outright lies. They don't want things corrected. In fact, evil is attempting to spread this destruction anywhere people are too cowardly to stand up for truth! Be safe and carry on.
Calumet was a good video. Now I’ll watch this one. Side note, I grew up not too far from either of these places in Tinley Park. Very nice peaceful quiet there and it’s rundown and ragged like some of these burbs are getting
Both of my parents were from Harvey. It was much different when they were growing up! The area near 159th & Halsted used to be an old Polish neighborhood. That definitely wasn't the case when my grandpa passed in 2002 and we had to fix and sell his house. I was born at Ingalls Memorial in Harvey also but when I was 3 my parents got us outta there and moved us to DuPage county. I guess things were starting to get bad then!
I do remember visiting Dixie Square Mall when I was younger while visiting my grandparents to see the skid marks left in the parking lot from when they were filmed The Blues Brothers. That was pretty cool to a 7 year old like me!
I live in Michigan now...We drove through Harvey about 2 yrs ago and it's not a place I really want to visit (or even drive through) again! But it was once beautiful!
My mom was born in Harvey and lived just off of 159th & Halsted, it's so different now but I can remember what it looked like in the 70's like it was yesterday. It was indeed a Polish neighborhood and they had some of the best restaurants in that area.
Naw, man. Harvey had a thriving Black middle-class after the Whites left. Section-8 was an issue, but the 'low-income people' theory you used is not the reason Harvey is fiscally messed up. T was a secession of corrupt mayors that ultimately saw Harvey's demise, and that could be said about most of these towns where you see this type of decline. My uncled lived in Harvey and as a kid in the 70s, it was still nice, but certain areas had that element, like most.
Brilliant narrative evaluation tied in with excellent video and awesome (and heartbreaking) drone footage. This is much much more than evaluation of a community that has seen better days. Instead this is a carefully researched and assembled demonstration of what can and does work or not work essentially anywhere! This is not about talking points instead it is or should be a wake up call for everyone. There is so much wisdom here like the importance of good government, schools, public safety, planning etc. Being an old timer I am amazed how well he recaps the history that I remember going through. Chris should be given an honorary PHD in humanities, urban planning or history for his hard and heartfelt illuminating work.
Great history lesson .
Love the research that you do!
There is gentrification going on in Harvey. The Indian community is changing many of the streets around their mosque. Pace and The Metra electric hubs are investing millions of dollars in infrastructure and upgrading the transportation hubs in Harvey. The U of Chicago would not have purchased Ingalls Hospital and made it part of their medical facilities.
It’s a matter of time and big plans are coming Harvey’s way.
Impressive Work and research
Since Harvey is now experiencing "black flight" I would really like to know where they are flying to so I know where the next Harvey is.
Either somewhere in the south or Indiana is where most black Illinois residents are flocking to.
May you do Robbins, IL next? It's two towns away from Harvey.
Robbins coming soon
@@ChrisHarden Alright! That's my old hometown!
Be safe bunker down. Thats an old civil war town. @@ChrisHarden
I grew up out there.
I grew up in Harvey.... it has been a ghetto since the 70's! Point blank, period!
I worked in Harvey as a teacher from 1990 -2017
So impressed by this video. Your playlist looks interesting. New sub. Look forward to your research. Thank you.
Thanks!
Our state attorney in cook county will not charge them unless it is over 1,000 dollars. There is also the safe t act, arrest and let go only never for them to come to court.
He forgot to mention hells angels as he was turning down 155th lol
Are they still there, the place looked pretty much vacant and abondon ?
@@IOMMIFAN6565 it always looks like that even the hella angels spot in las vegas
@@IOMMIFAN6565 I think theres still a biker bar there but they didnt show much presence. Worked on an ambulance in harvey for a few years and never saw a single white biker.
Sad to say but my tribe destroys everywhere we go........
Why doesn't anyone talk about the very first settler and homeowner in South Lawn in 1874... John Gay... he purchased 2 lots of land and lived neighborless for about 3 years...
Very nice video. You really gave me a feel for the place.
First video viewed. Impressed by your research and street views.
Yeah the place really fell apart after Arnie's Idle Hour shut down. Thank God there's still drive-through liquor stores.
Is Skybox still there?
Harvey wasn’t raggedy or going down hill until crack hit in the 80s. In 87-88 tho it still wasn’t a bad place to live.
This is so true.
You are absolutely correct , Harvey was not bad at all I grew up in the south suburbs and it was absolutely beautiful, I started noticing the difference in the new breed of people coming in town from the worst part of Chicago in the early 80s. starting with the pants hanging off or down off the rare end , very strange and out of the ordinary and my first time hearing a lot of gunshots I was relaxing in my back yard trying to watch a black and white movie and gunfire popping off from everywhere I jumped up ran into the house and never ever watched a movie out side in my backyard again , that was the beginning and the end of the suburbs something awful got in and took over and just wiped it out went through every little suburban town with its ugliness everywhere and just distorted it .
With all the money we spent on the illegal immigrants we could have fixed up every dilapidated town in this whole state.
@michaelford5216 That includes the millions and billions we send to other countries.
How is Target 🎯 able to survive and Wal-Mart had to pull up roots and move? Wal-Mart never gets ran outta business, its usually the other way around. They destroyed Kmart and Sears just to name a few. But if the shoplifting out weighs the tax breaks, yep, there gone!
Thank you for this video❤
You didn’t mention that the Mall Chase Scene in the Blues Brothers movie was the Dixie Square Mall!
That's where I first learned about Harvey.
We lived in Harvey until 1965. Thank God my father was able to get out and we moved to Homewood. My dad was friends with the mayor. He was white and a huge racist. He didn't care about the city at all. Its a shame the town went to hell.
So what I gathered from all this is Chicago is headed right in the same direction as Harvey and for the exact same reasons
Good show as always. Gutted that your competitor HoodTime has disappeared. Enjoyed them too
I had a cousin who was a Dentist in Harvey in thè 40s to 60s. He took a lot of money out of that city.
Harvey's Architecture in general beholds this 1960s feel.
You doing lansing,il next lol
That'll be archive channel content sometime in the future
I grew up in the next town Markham. Left in the 90's. My Dad went to high school in Harvey in the late 1940's. And Harvey is in Crook county!
Can you do Markham IL
Trendsetters is still open. Thats something. 🤷♂️
Haha maybe so
old man Lenny God bless.
I enjoyed this video. Sad town.😢❤
I did enjoyed this video and learned a lot of things from the video.
please do Sauk Village IL
My favorite videos here are anything to do with Chicago suburbs.
„If the shoplifting can stay under control.“ Good one! 😂😂😂. I went to K through 5 not too far away in Glenwood in the late 60s/early 70s and then 6 to 8 at Brookwood Jr. High. Let’s just say that, looking at the Illinois report cards for these schools, that a whole lot has changed since then. I am so glad that I am thousands of miles away from that rot.
I had this momentary thought of getting control of the old Dixie Mall property for redevelopment.
Thank you - I no longer have that thought.
My best friend's Mom worked in the Goldblatt's in Harvey. ❤️
I remember going to Dixie Square Mall as a very young child with my mom and sisters, one of whom appeared as an extra in various scenes in The Blues Brothers. Dixie Square was used for the mall scenes in that movie.