I like how the parents act like punks to blame for their teenage kids acting out. Twenty years before the parents blamed it on rock, ten years before they blamed it on metal, ten years later they blamed it on grunge and twenty years later they blamed it on rap (seeing a pattern here?). Part of being a parent is being prepared for any ordinary hurdle that your kids throw at you and for a lot of kids, rebelling against authority is something that they will go through. The image and music may be different, but the whole process is exactly the same. Instead of blaming some kind of external force for difficulty with your children (and subsequently shirking responsibility for your child), take it upon yourself to gain an understanding of the situation by talking to your kids on their level. You'll get more answers that way instead of distancing yourself as far away from them as possible and still maintaining the nerve to act like you know what's best for them when in truth you know fuck-all about them. Sorry for the rant, but that family (the kids a bit, but mostly the parents) really pissed me off. Complete and total white bread, reaganomics, cold-war-mentality, god-fearing amoebas.
This documentary made my day! Brings back a flood of memories. I grew up with the punk movement, listening to Fear, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Descendants, all the classics. Thanks for sharing!
Anti-parent? I think you mean Independent. Basically at its core when each "punk" kid changed, they grew up. And they realized that household rules are bullshit for the most part. Kind of a shitty mothers job to say "oh my son quickly grew up and doesn't seem to need me anymore, I should send him to a mental home."
Punk is: 1) Not giving a shit about anything except your own rage towards anything you hate 2) Doing what you can to express that rage (in this case through music) 3) Driving in a shitty van, going to gigs and maybe getting paid only $50, barely enough to feed you and your bandmates (or even get them a motel room) If you can't express punk at least one way or another, then you haven't experienced life.
This new hyper-fast punk style became the norm. It fit right in with the new angrier punk sensibilities in LA. Music from the Sex Pistols, while still great, was suddenly sounding "too slow." This hyper-fast punk style then spread from LA back out to London, San Francisco and NYC, like the ripples returning from a tidal wave. The Ramones were suddenly playing their songs twice as fast. And no, everything wasn't as cut & dry as how I'm explaining, but this is how I saw it in a general sense.
"We knew something was wrong when Jimmy refused to wear his Century 21 blazer to the church formal" idiots. these are the kind of people that get matching t-shirts when they go on vacation.
I wondered if that scene from the Emilio estevez movie which name is escaping me at the moment was inspired by this The name will come to me and I'll have to watch my youth on film
You're right. The NY scene is where Malcom McLaren got all his ideas. McLaren went back to England with the intentions of starting a band (The Sex Pistols). He hand picked each member, dressed them, and promoted them as outlaws. McLaren was a genius marketer.
I like Dick Dale and surf rock(most 50s stuff actually), but surf music isn't the only kind of fast music. I think they played fast simply because they wanted to. It was like a protest to the boring progressive rock and disco that was popular at the time. I mean baroque music was fast, ragtime was fast, early folk music was fast. It's not something you can really pinpoint to one genre, and if anything, Johnny's style of playing was actually inspired by Led Zeppelin's Communication Breakdown.
Suddenly those TV reports glorifying the violence attracted a certain violent class of suburban kids. Only then did the gigs actually get violent, with loads of kids from Orange County trying to prove how tough they were. These TV reports became a self-fulfilling prophecy. The media turned punk violent. Cops frequently shut down punk gigs fearing what they saw as a riot in progress. The music got a hell of a lot faster and angrier.
Social distortion came from Orange county and Mike Ness spoke of being beat up as a punk in his teens, where La punks preyed upon? I'm 58 and went to many shows in Minneapolis from locals and national and would go in the mosh pits and as a skinny dude always loved how big dudes would pick me up and smile, it was cohesive youth wonderment, seeing how rough the pits are now no effing way
With parents that out of it, what else would you expect but rebellion. Like interest in athletics equals a good person! Growing up in the 80's was interesting. A lot of this crap.
'Oh no, my son listens to punk...I'm a failure. What happened? Where did I go wrong as a parent? He must be crazy, maybe we should stick him in a mental home...I don't know what else to do!'
Wow, this is funny!!! What do expect when you are a disgruntled rich kid! I used to hang with theses type of kids in high school, nice houses, plently of everything!!! They changed after about a year or 2. If it's back then or nowadays, it's the same.
its funny how the parents were so worked up when the kids stepped away from the norm but would probably condemn communism which is when everybody is the same and not out of step.
Not true. The Ramones did a few surf band covers sure, but stuff like Today Your Love, Tomorrow the World, Blitzkrieg Bop, Judy Is A Punk, Beat on the Brat, Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue, I Don't Wanna Walk Around With You, were definitely punk and that was all just from their first album.
My parents COULD NOT 'bridge the gap'...mom ripped up my clothes and just made them more punk, Punk WAS a rebellion aginst normality and mainstream. DC and Dischord Records ruled punk for me!! btw the girl looks more martha and the muffinish! lol
The Mother looks like she drinks all day every day. Pops was a wanna be 50s rocker. Taking up his angst by forcing his boy into aggressive foot ball for his own gratification.
Yeah, punk started in New York; but the English kids gave it a sense of style and an identity (mostly based on the style of New York kids with a little Bowie glam mixed in). In England punk was getting so much attention that people naturally assumed it was a local phenomenon. It wasn't getting as much attention as a US phenomenon until later. Punk started in New York. Then it hit England. And then it hit Los Angeles.
In LA, punk was just as varied musically as it was in NYC. Hell, even Devo was considered punk back then (they were loud, aggressive and the fans were pogoing and going nuts during their shows). Then around 1979, TV shows like this one started to glorify the violence. In actuality, there was very little violence at punk gigs in those first few years, but the kids LOOKED violent, so the press had a field day and got big ratings hyping it.
who cares where punk started? what matters is that it happened and that it was very real, better than that crap the parents were talking about their kids; like the kids weren't even there and arn't capable of thinking for themselves.
Not even punk began in both countries ours and them...and it was unrest to a changing world.All propaganda and it had not one thing to do with parents it was against the government!!!
Will calling me names help the situation? No. What, we're talking about punk here? While you're right about the origin of punk, in case you haven't noticed I play bass guitar and I (at times) play Guitar Hero, and my dad does work at a shit job; he works at Coors as a mechanic for all the washers and inkers who hold that delicious liquid bread. I've only been to one punk show, but my dad knows what punk is, he was growing up in that punk scene; I have posters in my room to prove it.
@shrinky71 I wasn't saying you were wrong I was just trying to add to your arguement. And you're right everybody has an influence even if they are totally original. Even the term "Punk Rock" was coined in the US, specifically in New York. But again I wasn't trying to find fault with what you were saying I was just trying to back you up.
That's entirely different from saying "they just copied off 60s bubblegum". I agreed that they did cover that stuff, but they eventually had their own style down by their first album which was considerably different to that music, which is why I refuted your statement. Also not everything was from California. They were also influenced by the NY Dolls, the Stooges, and 50s doo-wop bands. At any rate, no need for insults. I'm just trying to have a conversation with you.
@shrinky71 Don't forget the MC-5 and New York Dolls but American never the less. If you ever watch the documentary End of the Century about the Ramones, Joe Strummer from the Clash and Captain Sensible from the Damned both English punk Icons both said The Ramones coming and playing in london in 1974 created the british punk scene. As a 40 year old American punk rocker I've always hated the erroneous credit England gets for "creating" punk rock.
pretty creepy vibe going on between the brother and sister dontcha think?? of course if I had a sister like that... but then I've clearly listened to too much Punk Rock Music.
PUNK DID NOT START IN ENGLAND. It started in DETROIT with The Stooges in the late 1960s... Iggy Pop is the original punker. Pere Ubu out of Cleveland a few years later; but still a couple years before The Sex Pistols. What a surprise such stark music could come out of Detroit & Cleveland. Anyone know what happened to this family?
I don't need to ask him why (I can't anyway): Because the Mexicans take their beer seriously; they labor long and hard to make beer and other fine liquors, and it often tastes really good; better than our beer, I hear. Bohemia is one of the top brands of taste in Mexican beer, and they get paid less. We use machines to make beer. Now who's the villain? And how did we go from talking about punks to talking about prisons to talking about Mexicans and their beer?
Alejandro Ramirez Musically yes, but punk was smt more than music itself, it was anti-establishment, a working class anti-hero, the unemployed and the f*uck government thing. Many of these CBGB guys proved to be right-wingers. We're not talking about punk rock here or Green Day, we are talking about PUNK and yes it started in England, even Jello Biafra says so.
That's a "what came first: the chicken or the egg" argument. Some say Velvet Underground, others say Iggy and the Stooges, Sex Pistols, MC5.....to me, it all seemed to be a natural progression.
The eighties were a great time with all the "Satanic Panic" fear of Punk and Metal. Dee Snider was every parents nightmare! The PMRC. Nothing going on now. Lady Ga Ga? Please.
Fast forward 10 years & it was rap music getting the blame for misbehaved kids. It's always something other than your own faulty parenting, eh? Kids naturally rebel in adolescence. It's a response to hormones & brain changes that happen during the teen years (pruning). It's not the fault of music, video games, drugs or anything else.
5:03 At least that girl's Got good taste! "Jealous Again" is Black Flag's Best EP!!
I never zoned in on Black flag much, but did like what I heard, does jealous again from The Black crowes take anything from them?
Lol the dad read thru his daughters diary and says that he can't trust her anymore.... how is ur daughter supposed to trust u??
I like how the parents act like punks to blame for their teenage kids acting out. Twenty years before the parents blamed it on rock, ten years before they blamed it on metal, ten years later they blamed it on grunge and twenty years later they blamed it on rap (seeing a pattern here?).
Part of being a parent is being prepared for any ordinary hurdle that your kids throw at you and for a lot of kids, rebelling against authority is something that they will go through. The image and music may be different, but the whole process is exactly the same. Instead of blaming some kind of external force for difficulty with your children (and subsequently shirking responsibility for your child), take it upon yourself to gain an understanding of the situation by talking to your kids on their level. You'll get more answers that way instead of distancing yourself as far away from them as possible and still maintaining the nerve to act like you know what's best for them when in truth you know fuck-all about them.
Sorry for the rant, but that family (the kids a bit, but mostly the parents) really pissed me off. Complete and total white bread, reaganomics, cold-war-mentality, god-fearing amoebas.
+Alex Greggary Took the words right out of my mouth! Well said!
and now they blame skolshotings on vido games
The blame game only equals guilt...they guilt their kids to be sad and depressed like them.
This documentary made my day! Brings back a flood of memories. I grew up with the punk movement, listening to Fear, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Descendants, all the classics. Thanks for sharing!
"they're gonna drink to get high". Funny shit
This is fucking awesome
Anti-parent? I think you mean Independent. Basically at its core when each "punk" kid changed, they grew up. And they realized that household rules are bullshit for the most part. Kind of a shitty mothers job to say "oh my son quickly grew up and doesn't seem to need me anymore, I should send him to a mental home."
White-washed Reagan era Suburbia. What a boring, bland, nightmare.
Punk is:
1) Not giving a shit about anything except your own rage towards anything you hate
2) Doing what you can to express that rage (in this case through music)
3) Driving in a shitty van, going to gigs and maybe getting paid only $50, barely enough to feed you and your bandmates (or even get them a motel room)
If you can't express punk at least one way or another, then you haven't experienced life.
I became a happy, well adjusted adult :)
This new hyper-fast punk style became the norm. It fit right in with the new angrier punk sensibilities in LA. Music from the Sex Pistols, while still great, was suddenly sounding "too slow."
This hyper-fast punk style then spread from LA back out to London, San Francisco and NYC, like the ripples returning from a tidal wave. The Ramones were suddenly playing their songs twice as fast.
And no, everything wasn't as cut & dry as how I'm explaining, but this is how I saw it in a general sense.
The Dad looks like he was a rock a billy greaser back in the 1950s. My pops was.
I remember watching my dad comb his hair in the '70s using that liquid oily stuff
vitalis?
someday we will grow up to be well adjusted people.
"We knew something was wrong when Jimmy refused to wear his Century 21 blazer to the church formal"
idiots. these are the kind of people that get matching t-shirts when they go on vacation.
These parents were so sad...my father never pushed me to be what he was.
It was just another red white and blue bourgeoisie moral panic. Wow, Mr and Mrs Hodges were the epitome of square.
"punk started in england" ahahahahahhaha
This is priceless! Can't stop laughing my ass off.
Give him a Pepsi.
I wondered if that scene from the Emilio estevez movie which name is escaping me at the moment was inspired by this
The name will come to me and I'll have to watch my youth on film
You're right. The NY scene is where Malcom McLaren got all his ideas.
McLaren went back to England with the intentions of starting a band (The Sex Pistols). He hand picked each member, dressed them, and promoted them as outlaws. McLaren was a genius marketer.
I like Dick Dale and surf rock(most 50s stuff actually), but surf music isn't the only kind of fast music. I think they played fast simply because they wanted to. It was like a protest to the boring progressive rock and disco that was popular at the time. I mean baroque music was fast, ragtime was fast, early folk music was fast. It's not something you can really pinpoint to one genre, and if anything, Johnny's style of playing was actually inspired by Led Zeppelin's Communication Breakdown.
Suddenly those TV reports glorifying the violence attracted a certain violent class of suburban kids. Only then did the gigs actually get violent, with loads of kids from Orange County trying to prove how tough they were. These TV reports became a self-fulfilling prophecy. The media turned punk violent. Cops frequently shut down punk gigs fearing what they saw as a riot in progress. The music got a hell of a lot faster and angrier.
Social distortion came from Orange county and Mike Ness spoke of being beat up as a punk in his teens, where La punks preyed upon?
I'm 58 and went to many shows in Minneapolis from locals and national and would go in the mosh pits and as a skinny dude always loved how big dudes would pick me up and smile, it was cohesive youth wonderment, seeing how rough the pits are now no effing way
Those parents are very scarry!!!
With parents that out of it, what else would you expect but rebellion. Like interest in athletics equals a good person!
Growing up in the 80's was interesting. A lot of this crap.
the sister ratted out her friend Tina, thats hilarious LOL
The dad is a classy dresser. Wow!
We're a happy family meet mom and daddy
Its funny how punk evolved to having clean cut short hair to having dyed spiky hair
'Oh no, my son listens to punk...I'm a failure. What happened? Where did I go wrong as a parent? He must be crazy, maybe we should stick him in a mental home...I don't know what else to do!'
Wow, this is funny!!! What do expect when you are a disgruntled rich kid! I used to hang with theses type of kids in high school, nice houses, plently of everything!!! They changed after about a year or 2. If it's back then or nowadays, it's the same.
Not sure but that kid Ron may be a lawyer now in Irvine.
Song at 4:40?
its funny how the parents were so worked up when the kids stepped away from the norm but would probably condemn communism which is when everybody is the same and not out of step.
Not true. The Ramones did a few surf band covers sure, but stuff like Today Your Love, Tomorrow the World, Blitzkrieg Bop, Judy Is A Punk, Beat on the Brat, Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue, I Don't Wanna Walk Around With You, were definitely punk and that was all just from their first album.
I'd rather my kids be into music than a sport.
My parents COULD NOT 'bridge the gap'...mom ripped up my clothes and just made them more punk, Punk WAS a rebellion aginst normality and mainstream. DC and Dischord Records ruled punk for me!!
btw the girl looks more martha and the muffinish! lol
hahaha, is their dad a Teddy Boy?!
what's the song that kid is listening to at 4:42
Dantemadison thanks bro :)
Where are they now?
That sister is pretty touchy with her brother, something tells me these two are more then just brother and sister.
Drinking to get high?!?! HAHAHA
The Mother looks like she drinks all day every day. Pops was a wanna be 50s rocker. Taking up his angst by forcing his boy into aggressive foot ball for his own gratification.
dont forget NYC. it also played a big part. and Cali had hardcore and it moved from there
They look like the grandparents
@DroogMonkey now you're talking about punkrock, which did start in the US. punk however started in the UK.
Amen for anyone who thinks these parents are wrong
Yeah, punk started in New York; but the English kids gave it a sense of style and an identity (mostly based on the style of New York kids with a little Bowie glam mixed in). In England punk was getting so much attention that people naturally assumed it was a local phenomenon. It wasn't getting as much attention as a US phenomenon until later.
Punk started in New York. Then it hit England. And then it hit Los Angeles.
Tina didn't tell me anything.
In LA, punk was just as varied musically as it was in NYC. Hell, even Devo was considered punk back then (they were loud, aggressive and the fans were pogoing and going nuts during their shows). Then around 1979, TV shows like this one started to glorify the violence. In actuality, there was very little violence at punk gigs in those first few years, but the kids LOOKED violent, so the press had a field day and got big ratings hyping it.
Punk rock and getting high rules!
who cares where punk started? what matters is that it happened and that it was very real, better than that crap the parents were talking about their kids; like the kids weren't even there and arn't capable of thinking for themselves.
@StickWarrior i agree
im not anti parent... im anti being somthing that someone else wants meh to be
I grew up to be a happy, well-adjusted adult hahaha!
ron senior, ron junior and rhonda..... someones conceited
why do they keep singling out yuppies?
Take their iphones and playstations off them.
Uh hang on, they haven't been invented yet.
Is that Paul Moyer?
punk started in england.... mmmmhmmm good research
Not even punk began in both countries ours and them...and it was unrest to a changing world.All propaganda and it had not one thing to do with parents it was against the government!!!
Let him live his life!! my son does
lol at kid singing my war
Will calling me names help the situation? No.
What, we're talking about punk here?
While you're right about the origin of punk, in case you haven't noticed I play bass guitar and I (at times) play Guitar Hero, and my dad does work at a shit job; he works at Coors as a mechanic for all the washers and inkers who hold that delicious liquid bread. I've only been to one punk show, but my dad knows what punk is, he was growing up in that punk scene; I have posters in my room to prove it.
"drink to get high"
All he wants is a pepsi!
@shrinky71 I wasn't saying you were wrong I was just trying to add to your arguement. And you're right everybody has an influence even if they are totally original. Even the term "Punk Rock" was coined in the US, specifically in New York. But again I wasn't trying to find fault with what you were saying I was just trying to back you up.
Well it starts off with the first few sentences being wrong
Punk did not start in England. Fukn Ramones were jamming since 74 and before them were The Stooges.
I wonder which one of these kids is the one that bagged my groceries yesterday...
1:42 'They cannot take just one drink, they're gonna drink to get high' I'm sorry but are you drunk right now?
That's entirely different from saying "they just copied off 60s bubblegum". I agreed that they did cover that stuff, but they eventually had their own style down by their first album which was considerably different to that music, which is why I refuted your statement. Also not everything was from California. They were also influenced by the NY Dolls, the Stooges, and 50s doo-wop bands. At any rate, no need for insults. I'm just trying to have a conversation with you.
@shrinky71 Don't forget the MC-5 and New York Dolls but American never the less. If you ever watch the documentary End of the Century about the Ramones, Joe Strummer from the Clash and Captain Sensible from the Damned both English punk Icons both said The Ramones coming and playing in london in 1974 created the british punk scene. As a 40 year old American punk rocker I've always hated the erroneous credit England gets for "creating" punk rock.
Maybe someday we will be well adjusted adults WELL YA ha ha
pretty creepy vibe going on between the brother and sister dontcha think??
of course if I had a sister like that...
but then I've clearly listened to too much Punk Rock Music.
you know something is bullshit when they start off with the line "Punk Started in England"
Typical 80's family, I grew up in this era.......Reagan was our president....need I say more?
I bet Mom and Dad pop Lortabs and Valiums every day. But that's "medicine". They're not getting high. NOOO!
Oh pleaeeeeee
Punk stereotypes, we already moved on by then. Hollywood is always behind the curve.
well that's nice. most punks drank and didn't abstain from alcohol. a rare few were doing serious drugs.
PUNK DID NOT START IN ENGLAND. It started in DETROIT with The Stooges in the late 1960s... Iggy Pop is the original punker. Pere Ubu out of Cleveland a few years later; but still a couple years before The Sex Pistols. What a surprise such stark music could come out of Detroit & Cleveland. Anyone know what happened to this family?
This reminds me of the Quincy punk episode or that film 'surburbia', fucked up parents= cool kiss
@DroogMonkey
The Sonics
SIn 34 - War At Home
I don't need to ask him why (I can't anyway):
Because the Mexicans take their beer seriously; they labor long and hard to make beer and other fine liquors, and it often tastes really good; better than our beer, I hear. Bohemia is one of the top brands of taste in Mexican beer, and they get paid less. We use machines to make beer. Now who's the villain? And how did we go from talking about punks to talking about prisons to talking about Mexicans and their beer?
choad1976 Punk actually started in England. This is the only right thing this guy said.
They might have been the first to be called that but the CBGB started the scene
Alejandro Ramirez Musically yes, but punk was smt more than music itself, it was anti-establishment, a working class anti-hero, the unemployed and the f*uck government thing. Many of these CBGB guys proved to be right-wingers. We're not talking about punk rock here or Green Day, we are talking about PUNK and yes it started in England, even Jello Biafra says so.
wow another homophobic comment, are you xenophobic too? I guess so
***** They're all shitty surfers?
That's a "what came first: the chicken or the egg" argument. Some say Velvet Underground, others say Iggy and the Stooges, Sex Pistols, MC5.....to me, it all seemed to be a natural progression.
pink hearts
Just one pepsi, but she wouldn't give it to me! Just a pepsi!
the father looks like a sober Tom Waits
The eighties were a great time with all the "Satanic Panic" fear of Punk and Metal. Dee Snider was every parents nightmare! The PMRC. Nothing going on now. Lady Ga Ga? Please.
Fast forward 10 years & it was rap music getting the blame for misbehaved kids. It's always something other than your own faulty parenting, eh? Kids naturally rebel in adolescence. It's a response to hormones & brain changes that happen during the teen years (pruning). It's not the fault of music, video games, drugs or anything else.
"they were a happy family who lived a quiet suburban life" ... was that the kids point of view?
it did
kids on drugs and punk rock, been there done that.
I have 3 words for the mom, "botox, botox, botox".
punk didnt start in england.
No these are in fact your typical socal hardcore punk rocker kids from this time period.
Eating paint carts?! What is that?
LOL
that's so fucking wrong what that dad did, he invaded his daughter's privacy by reading her diary. what kind of a parent is that?
@TheNewMusicNetwork urm, i know what hardcore is.....
Well adjusted adults, wtf does that mean stiff necked old people
if they were my parents
id throw up on them and scream in latin