"wasnt it gonna fun and wasnt it gonna be new. Wasnt it gonna be different and wasnt it gonna be true. Didn't you say that?" yes chvrches you have said that and you kept your promise!
So if Everything’s like surroundedaround ‘the sound’ -Structure... -the message too (Lyrically, Thinking+Del) -our Title yeah. (Like, Charlie’s Voicenotes, that’s why like Attention & How Long m are like both like break up+anger songs, the emotion, the title all reflects on the Sound. ) - Lyrical Structure, Mel Structure (Like Attention & How Long) Like that’s why every Charlie Puth song has that structure, cause it fits into the sound, *it’s a part of the sound. So that’s where we start. Right here, with our new structure. Forming Our new sound. (Well, I mean we don't have to be a completely new sound, but still, something that sounds like nothing on the Radio) : emotionally vulnerable, personal, home scrappy warm feeling. --Specifically that Vocoder Filtering sound ==But Trendy wise, or personality wise, it's like that "Pitchy, Girly, Vulnerable Voice on a Man", It's like Soft Whispering High Pitch ^^Like i mean, that's actually very like a new kind of sexy' and powerful vulnerability on a man's voice (feels like me singing LOVE.) “You don’t wanna sound like anything else, or anything on the radio, so write that song that you always wanted there to be...”
After the first 2 excellent albums, the various great covers and Warning Call, one has certain expectations that album #3 will be just as good. That did not happen.... Love is Dead has a few moments of awesome (Get Out, Heaven-Hell), but it's not on the same level as #1 and #2. It's generic mostly forgettable sounds one might hear on the local top40 radio station. My health is seriously bad at the moment, but I'm still going to try to make it to 4 gigs this fall, just to hear their live drummer (I've been to like 20 shows already). I'm hoping album #4 is all self-produced.
I really enjoy all of them. Artists and their art evolve, and that's a good thing. If you don't like the new release you can always go back and listen to their old stuff.
@Fernando Marroquin to be fair being an attractive famous woman it must get annoying when socially maladjusted desperadoes are constantly heavy breathing in her face.
I love how Beardy McBoner can’t even look at Lauren for more than a split second during the first few minutes of the interview and directs everything to the other 2 guys that nobody knows or cares the names of lol
Greg Kurstin. Wanna throw away all your originality, make forgettable "radio" tunes, work with him. Screwed Foo's album. Screwed Chvrches album.These guys used to have a sound of their own. No more.
Compare this album with their first, even the second, but their first 100%, compare the synth work, the beats, it's like it's 2 different bands. Compare the production, the processing, everything. This third album is a lot more cookie cutter. That's Greg Kurstin's print, right there. He's an equalizer. A - make it all sound palatable for EVERYBODY. I'm not a fan of that. Plus, a lot more of that first album was lots more handmade, with lots more production "mistakes", lots more bespoke, more about the personality of each of the guys in the band. Kurstin doesn't do that, he makes radio friendly music. Look into Kurstin's history a bit, you'll see who he is, you'll change your mind.
Ugh, so tired of people shitting on this album. Here's my take. The first album is great, they seemed like they came out of nowhere with this perfectly formed sound, it probably has the widest range of different sounding songs of any of their albums to this point and it's hard to top that first revelation (they can't come out with a second or third album and be a brand band like that again) but it happened five years ago already. It's in the past, they've already done that album. The "mistakes" you're talking about on the first album are definitely there upon revisiting. Clunky or awkward moments in the music relative to subsequent albums, production choices that are every bit as "of the time" or more so than the current album. EOE was a refinement of their sound on that first album and i don't think there's anything wrong with this band that clearly has always had pop-leanings to want to evolve/progress into something more polished. You say the new album is "cookie cutter" or "radio friendly" but i think the compositions are more mature and the production is more seamless. Lauren's voice is improving. The songs are bolder and more confident. A lot of people might prefer their earlier, more understated stuff and i get that but blaming this producer that the band clearly enjoyed working with is misguided imo. Besides, if you were expecting Foo Fighters to make a great album when they haven't done so in about 20 years then i think your expectations are a little off. Foo Fighters could've worked with any other producer or produced themselves and the album still wouldn't touch their first three.
You sure make some bold statements there Doog - Foos haven't made a good album in 20 years?!I Wasting Light was one of their best actually, more so because there were no Kurstins about to dial up on the blandness lever. I mean, talk about one thing - the drums, you'll sweat your balls dry learning those songs and playing them, it's Taylor at his best on that one, and Dave too had some tunes about that weren't about skies and neighborhoods and shit. They were about more real stuff. Songs are bolder on Love is Dead?! In what sense, in the sense that they're more impersonal and could have been made by any and all current generation ok electronic producer? is that maturity, losing your edge? Fuck maturity, then. Yeah, Lauren's more in control of her voice, more keen on going different places with her vocals, live. Awesome, I love that. But that don't improve on the album, does it?! People prefer their (Chvrches') earlier more understated stuff, you say. What do you mean by understated - wicked and powerful? To the point, unapologetic and with personality?! There was nothing understated about their best songs on the first two albums. You heard a few seconds of them, you knew who made those songs. Maybe you're using "understated" willy-nilly. Listen, I'm a fan of Chvrches, and it's because of that I'm not happy with this latest album, 'cause it lost a lot of what made a Chvrches album cool. Hopefully with their 4th they'll get back to doing stuff the good old fashion way of doing it by themselves. The Kurstins of the world can blanden up whoever else's efforts, there's tons of people that don't know what to do with themselves who might need that goddamn guy; and also: If a producer is popular, why does everybody think that it should work for them too?! What is this sheep like shit, oh, let's make an album with X, 'cause he's trendy nowadays?! I mean, Isn't that kind of a - oh, we give up, let's let others decide who we are?! Fuck that. Stick to your guns, explore your creativity, do things your way. .................. Say, this last record was made by Chvrches all by themselves, it would have been way more interesting, simply because there wouldn't have been nobody to be like - alright now, you guys can chill now, it's good enough, you've worked hard enough. They would have pushed harder, guaranteed. But you need a guy like Kurstin to put you at ease to make you ok with a half finished song, or a half baked idea. That's who he is. He puts people at ease, and that shit is infectious. The last thing you want when making a creative effort is to be at ease. Fuck being at ease, you need to be on your toes, going to war, fuckin' resenting yourself, your ideas, scraping shit left and right to get to the good stuff. Research that guy, you too will lean more towards, what I assume you already know for yourself, this album is not good enough. And guaranteed, Kurstin out of the picture, it would have been way dope. Peace now!
I actually meant "understated" in a positive way so i think you're misunderstanding me a bit here. Understated as in more subtle, not as over the top or ham-fisted. Example being the lyrics on Love is Dead are way more forward in the mix and are a bit more direct on subject matter so i'd say it's bolder/more confident, more vulnerable (nowhere to hide on subject matter and ambiguity about lyrics) but less understated. You say the new songs are impersonal but there are several songs (wonderland, forever, never say die, miracle, etc) which i can completely relate to, having felt the same way over the last couple years of political discourse. I can directly relate to these songs in a way that i only indirectly related to a lot of their earlier songs. When i talk about maturity of composition i'm just talking about the writing in the instrumental music. Download the stem tracks for the song "Get Out" (a relatively simple seeming pop song) that they gave away and really analyze them and tell me they're not composing on a more sophisticated level compared to a composition like "Lungs." Lungs is so clunky, cheesey and post-dubstep compared to their compositions now, though i enjoy the song and the songwriting gets me through the less sophisticated composition and relatively cheesey production choices. The fact of the matter whether you like it or not is that Chvrches could've produced their own album again if they wanted but they didn't. This is what they wanted. This is the album they wanted to make. They tried other producers that they didn't click with and they felt they clicked with Kurstin. it wasn't about getting some producer they thought would make them more popular. The most popular artists he's produced (Adele, Sia, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, etc) are mostly listened to by people who have no idea or don't care who produced the album or what that even entails. Kurstin has generated no new found popularity for previously established rock-leaning acts like Foo Fighters, Paul McCartney, The Shins and Beck so i just don't really buy that this is some shallow, sell-out choice for them to attempt to reach some new level of fame. I'd be all in favor of them working with a weirder, more cutting edge producer like Oneohtrix Point Never or Arca or someone more established who produced some of their more alternative influences like Eno, Flood, Alan Moulder or Butch Vig but i don't think this is shocking for how pop-oriented they've always been and how much they've talked about enjoying past and current pop music. I don't need to research the guy at this point, i already did that when i heard he was producing their album. I'm an amateur/aspiring producer myself so it was of interest to me as soon as i found out. I have since listened to interviews about their experiences working with him. Researching who the producer is doesn't change my opinion of an album i already own and have listened to numerous times. The songs aren't half baked or unfinished and some of the shorter songs one could maybe accuse of that (god's plan, really gone both of which i enjoy how they work in the context of the album.) were actually produced by Steve Mac and had no additional writing credits so those are actually the songs closest to Chvrches on their own without a producer on this album by my estimation. To sum up with the aside point about Foo Fighters, i think we inherently have some different views on music and aren't going to change each other's mind if you honestly think Wasting Light is better than their three first albums. I'm sure the drumming on it is dexterously accomplished (haven't revisited since around the time it came out) but i feel like there hasn't been many fresh ideas in that band starting around One By One. However, i appreciate discussing the new album and that you are (were?) a passionate fan of Chvrches.
16:59 how Martin answers "dream collaboration" with "Robert Smith" then 2 years later Robert is on a song he wrote
Great interview, getting to see the funny side of performers. Love Lauren. She's so smart, and funny.
"Our song's called get out because... says get out a bunch in the chorus" LOL
Hearing Martin say Robert smith and then being on a song with him years later is so wholesome.
Lauren’s my favorite person
enjoyed this talk
"wasnt it gonna fun and wasnt it gonna be new. Wasnt it gonna be different and wasnt it gonna be true. Didn't you say that?" yes chvrches you have said that and you kept your promise!
Lauren is so great!
Lauren looks so good here
Emily Rose Lavren looks good everywhere lol
When doesn't Lauren look good
18:03 lol Lauren.
love always
Robert Smith collaborated with Crystal Castles, he should definitely do something with Chvrches.
i think, your dream came true
This comment aged well.
One body mike for three interviewees. "Bad (uneven) sound makes good video look bad."
Never say die !
So if Everything’s like surroundedaround ‘the sound’
-Structure...
-the message too (Lyrically, Thinking+Del)
-our Title yeah.
(Like, Charlie’s Voicenotes, that’s why like Attention & How Long m are like both like break up+anger songs, the emotion, the title all reflects on the Sound. )
- Lyrical Structure, Mel Structure (Like Attention & How Long)
Like that’s why every Charlie Puth song has that structure, cause it fits into the sound, *it’s a part of the sound.
So that’s where we start. Right here, with our new structure. Forming Our new sound.
(Well, I mean we don't have to be a completely new sound, but still, something that sounds like nothing on the Radio)
: emotionally vulnerable, personal, home scrappy warm feeling.
--Specifically that Vocoder Filtering sound
==But Trendy wise, or personality wise, it's like that "Pitchy, Girly, Vulnerable Voice on a Man", It's like Soft Whispering High Pitch
^^Like i mean, that's actually very like a new kind of sexy' and powerful vulnerability on a man's voice (feels like me singing LOVE.)
“You don’t wanna sound like anything else, or anything on the radio, so write that song that you always wanted there to be...”
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How do I say the word " CHVRCHES "
without on spelling, when i say it, my tongue felt hassles
Eva Dharma You say it churches
Churches lol
The "v" is a Roman "u".
Ian can play as Conor McGregor
ok ill make a song
YEP, DILIGES DOMINUM DEUM, 💌 קדשתמכ
ואהבת את יהוה אלהיך בכל לבבך ובכל נפשך ובכל מאדך ܀💜 💙 🧡 ❤ 💛 💚 💋 🌎 🌙 👁 🍕 🥧 🤝 🎄 💎 🎁 🌎 🛸 🎶 👍 🍷 🧊 🤡 🃏 🐄 🌽 🥳 🎊 🎉 🍺 🎂🏠 🌲καὶ ἀγαπήσεις Κύριον τὸν θεόν σου ἐξ ὅλης τῆς διανοίας σου καὶ ἐξ ὅλης τῆς ψυχῆς σου καὶ ἐξ ὅλης τῆς δυνάμεώς σου. 🥛 🍪 📖 LOVE IT 🤡
The accent is hot
After the first 2 excellent albums, the various great covers and Warning Call, one has certain expectations that album #3 will be just as good. That did not happen.... Love is Dead has a few moments of awesome (Get Out, Heaven-Hell), but it's not on the same level as #1 and #2. It's generic mostly forgettable sounds one might hear on the local top40 radio station. My health is seriously bad at the moment, but I'm still going to try to make it to 4 gigs this fall, just to hear their live drummer (I've been to like 20 shows already). I'm hoping album #4 is all self-produced.
I agree. I liked it but didn't feel like the first 2. No chance they'll autoproduce albums but hope they'll get back to their roots.
I really enjoy all of them. Artists and their art evolve, and that's a good thing. If you don't like the new release you can always go back and listen to their old stuff.
Lauren looks so young: she's like an elf
It’s so hard to pronounce chvrches.
kingofallwhites You pronounce it churches.
Duck-Chan I call them Chuverches.
Enrique Churches ⛪
Is it just me or does the girl look like a pixie/elf.. thing
A pretty one yeah.
Very pretty!.
@Fernando Marroquin to be fair being an attractive famous woman it must get annoying when socially maladjusted desperadoes are constantly heavy breathing in her face.
Get out me swamp
I love how Beardy McBoner can’t even look at Lauren for more than a split second during the first few minutes of the interview and directs everything to the other 2 guys that nobody knows or cares the names of lol
Greg Kurstin. Wanna throw away all your originality, make forgettable "radio" tunes, work with him. Screwed Foo's album. Screwed Chvrches album.These guys used to have a sound of their own. No more.
Strelock They still have. But you still need a ear to hear.
Compare this album with their first, even the second, but their first 100%, compare the synth work, the beats, it's like it's 2 different bands. Compare the production, the processing, everything. This third album is a lot more cookie cutter. That's Greg Kurstin's print, right there. He's an equalizer. A - make it all sound palatable for EVERYBODY. I'm not a fan of that. Plus, a lot more of that first album was lots more handmade, with lots more production "mistakes", lots more bespoke, more about the personality of each of the guys in the band. Kurstin doesn't do that, he makes radio friendly music. Look into Kurstin's history a bit, you'll see who he is, you'll change your mind.
Ugh, so tired of people shitting on this album. Here's my take. The first album is great, they seemed like they came out of nowhere with this perfectly formed sound, it probably has the widest range of different sounding songs of any of their albums to this point and it's hard to top that first revelation (they can't come out with a second or third album and be a brand band like that again) but it happened five years ago already. It's in the past, they've already done that album.
The "mistakes" you're talking about on the first album are definitely there upon revisiting. Clunky or awkward moments in the music relative to subsequent albums, production choices that are every bit as "of the time" or more so than the current album. EOE was a refinement of their sound on that first album and i don't think there's anything wrong with this band that clearly has always had pop-leanings to want to evolve/progress into something more polished.
You say the new album is "cookie cutter" or "radio friendly" but i think the compositions are more mature and the production is more seamless. Lauren's voice is improving. The songs are bolder and more confident. A lot of people might prefer their earlier, more understated stuff and i get that but blaming this producer that the band clearly enjoyed working with is misguided imo. Besides, if you were expecting Foo Fighters to make a great album when they haven't done so in about 20 years then i think your expectations are a little off. Foo Fighters could've worked with any other producer or produced themselves and the album still wouldn't touch their first three.
You sure make some bold statements there Doog - Foos haven't made a good album in 20 years?!I Wasting Light was one of their best actually, more so because there were no Kurstins about to dial up on the blandness lever. I mean, talk about one thing - the drums, you'll sweat your balls dry learning those songs and playing them, it's Taylor at his best on that one, and Dave too had some tunes about that weren't about skies and neighborhoods and shit. They were about more real stuff.
Songs are bolder on Love is Dead?! In what sense, in the sense that they're more impersonal and could have been made by any and all current generation ok electronic producer? is that maturity, losing your edge? Fuck maturity, then.
Yeah, Lauren's more in control of her voice, more keen on going different places with her vocals, live. Awesome, I love that. But that don't improve on the album, does it?!
People prefer their (Chvrches') earlier more understated stuff, you say. What do you mean by understated - wicked and powerful? To the point, unapologetic and with personality?! There was nothing understated about their best songs on the first two albums. You heard a few seconds of them, you knew who made those songs. Maybe you're using "understated" willy-nilly.
Listen, I'm a fan of Chvrches, and it's because of that I'm not happy with this latest album, 'cause it lost a lot of what made a Chvrches album cool. Hopefully with their 4th they'll get back to doing stuff the good old fashion way of doing it by themselves. The Kurstins of the world can blanden up whoever else's efforts, there's tons of people that don't know what to do with themselves who might need that goddamn guy; and also:
If a producer is popular, why does everybody think that it should work for them too?! What is this sheep like shit, oh, let's make an album with X, 'cause he's trendy nowadays?! I mean, Isn't that kind of a - oh, we give up, let's let others decide who we are?! Fuck that. Stick to your guns, explore your creativity, do things your way.
..................
Say, this last record was made by Chvrches all by themselves, it would have been way more interesting, simply because there wouldn't have been nobody to be like - alright now, you guys can chill now, it's good enough, you've worked hard enough. They would have pushed harder, guaranteed. But you need a guy like Kurstin to put you at ease to make you ok with a half finished song, or a half baked idea. That's who he is. He puts people at ease, and that shit is infectious.
The last thing you want when making a creative effort is to be at ease. Fuck being at ease, you need to be on your toes, going to war, fuckin' resenting yourself, your ideas, scraping shit left and right to get to the good stuff. Research that guy, you too will lean more towards, what I assume you already know for yourself, this album is not good enough.
And guaranteed, Kurstin out of the picture, it would have been way dope.
Peace now!
I actually meant "understated" in a positive way so i think you're misunderstanding me a bit here. Understated as in more subtle, not as over the top or ham-fisted. Example being the lyrics on Love is Dead are way more forward in the mix and are a bit more direct on subject matter so i'd say it's bolder/more confident, more vulnerable (nowhere to hide on subject matter and ambiguity about lyrics) but less understated.
You say the new songs are impersonal but there are several songs (wonderland, forever, never say die, miracle, etc) which i can completely relate to, having felt the same way over the last couple years of political discourse. I can directly relate to these songs in a way that i only indirectly related to a lot of their earlier songs.
When i talk about maturity of composition i'm just talking about the writing in the instrumental music. Download the stem tracks for the song "Get Out" (a relatively simple seeming pop song) that they gave away and really analyze them and tell me they're not composing on a more sophisticated level compared to a composition like "Lungs." Lungs is so clunky, cheesey and post-dubstep compared to their compositions now, though i enjoy the song and the songwriting gets me through the less sophisticated composition and relatively cheesey production choices.
The fact of the matter whether you like it or not is that Chvrches could've produced their own album again if they wanted but they didn't. This is what they wanted. This is the album they wanted to make. They tried other producers that they didn't click with and they felt they clicked with Kurstin.
it wasn't about getting some producer they thought would make them more popular. The most popular artists he's produced (Adele, Sia, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, etc) are mostly listened to by people who have no idea or don't care who produced the album or what that even entails. Kurstin has generated no new found popularity for previously established rock-leaning acts like Foo Fighters, Paul McCartney, The Shins and Beck so i just don't really buy that this is some shallow, sell-out choice for them to attempt to reach some new level of fame. I'd be all in favor of them working with a weirder, more cutting edge producer like Oneohtrix Point Never or Arca or someone more established who produced some of their more alternative influences like Eno, Flood, Alan Moulder or Butch Vig but i don't think this is shocking for how pop-oriented they've always been and how much they've talked about enjoying past and current pop music.
I don't need to research the guy at this point, i already did that when i heard he was producing their album. I'm an amateur/aspiring producer myself so it was of interest to me as soon as i found out. I have since listened to interviews about their experiences working with him. Researching who the producer is doesn't change my opinion of an album i already own and have listened to numerous times. The songs aren't half baked or unfinished and some of the shorter songs one could maybe accuse of that (god's plan, really gone both of which i enjoy how they work in the context of the album.) were actually produced by Steve Mac and had no additional writing credits so those are actually the songs closest to Chvrches on their own without a producer on this album by my estimation.
To sum up with the aside point about Foo Fighters, i think we inherently have some different views on music and aren't going to change each other's mind if you honestly think Wasting Light is better than their three first albums. I'm sure the drumming on it is dexterously accomplished (haven't revisited since around the time it came out) but i feel like there hasn't been many fresh ideas in that band starting around One By One. However, i appreciate discussing the new album and that you are (were?) a passionate fan of Chvrches.
Why their new album sucks?
John Poe doesn't imo. At least way better than their previous album. Not quite as good as the debut though
John Poe dafuq it doesn't... Whatchu on about :/