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  • Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
  • / starskycarr
    A Deep Dive walkthrough and demo of the groove synthesis 3rd wave. It's the longest demo I've ever made because there's so much to look at. Hopefully someone will stick through to the end!! (there's a rather nice sounding demo to finish)
    Heres the other 3rd Wave demos I mentioned in the video:
    Desktop vs Keyboard • 3rd Wave // Keyboard v...
    vs Vintage PPG Wave 2.2 • Vintage PPG Wave vs Gr...
    Using MPE with Roli • 3rd Wave // MPE with t...
    Emulating a Prophet VS • 3rd Wave Update // PPG...
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    • From The Studio
    0:00 Sit Back, Relax
    5:20 Oscillator Overview
    10:17 Waveflow
    12:28 Upper Wavetable
    16:22 User Waves
    21:55 Create Wavetables
    24:55 Analog Waves
    28:17 LFO & FM
    31:34 Sync
    32:35 Unison
    34:52 Sampling
    42:16 Sequencer
    44:57 Arpeggiator
    45:42 Multi-Part
    52:39 Stacking Parts
    56:19 Wave Envelopes
    59:30 Filters
    1:04:54 Saturation
    1:08:27 Envelopes
    1:10:48 Effects
    1:14:33 Almost Done!
    1:18:30 Juno 60
    1:20:42 Blissful .. Intro Track

КОМЕНТАРІ • 118

  • @bobcoover
    @bobcoover Місяць тому +23

    Starsky, this is absolutely incredible! Thanks!!
    This covers just about everything that the 3rd Wave is currently capable of. I am so glad that you stretched it out to its limit! The 3rd Wave is at its heart a wavetable synthesizer with PPG and modern modes, but it does so much more, (sampling, analog, FM, sequencing, MPC etc), and sounds great doing it. Plus... 24 voices and 4 parts always available.

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Місяць тому +5

      I've said this time and time again Bob, you and your team have done an amazing job in bringing this to us mere mortals.
      I might not be able to afford one, but I can still admire what you collectively have done.
      Maybe one day, but for now, I just have something to dream of.
      Thanks once again for a thing of beauty.

    • @DrJ3RK8
      @DrJ3RK8 Місяць тому +2

      Bob, agree with everyone. You've created one of (if not THE) best synths EVER. Excellent work sir!

    • @lordwindsor
      @lordwindsor 2 дні тому

      @bobcoover you mentioned a while back that a Poly AT keybed kit may be coming, any updates on that? Every current and potential 3rd Wave owner is waiting for that to happen.

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace 2 дні тому

      @@lordwindsor I am a 3rd Wave owner, do you think I will be able to glue a PAT keybed to my module?

  • @coyotegeek
    @coyotegeek Місяць тому +11

    I've had my 3rd Wave since Fall of 2022 (thankfully before the prices went up), and it has held up as my absolute favorite synth of all time. It's so deep, and yet so easy to use, and it sounds absolutely fantastic!

    • @J_A_G_U_A_R_
      @J_A_G_U_A_R_ 10 днів тому

      can you please tell the price when you bought it ? its actual price is £4880 at Thomann

    • @coyotegeek
      @coyotegeek 10 днів тому

      @@J_A_G_U_A_R_ I paid $3895, but it was a very different situation than today. At that point the payment was a deposit on an upcoming production run, and you were doing business directly with Groove. When they moved to using distributors, they had to raise prices to provide some room for the resellers to make money (if you do the math it’s about an additional 15% markup for US resellers like Sweetwater). The higher price from Thomann may reflect that they’re shipping from the US (the synths are actually made in California), which could easily cost $300+ per-unit with insurance.

  • @chrisdavies9143
    @chrisdavies9143 Місяць тому +11

    I really need to stop torturing myself with videos of this synth. Due to different circumstances this is years off for me right now but it's absolutely at the top of my synth wish list.

    • @pablowentscobar
      @pablowentscobar Місяць тому +2

      Not torture, education. Now when you get it, you'll be able to jam away, no mucking about with the manual. I know I'll never own one, but I like Starsky's style.

    • @Kuronoichig01
      @Kuronoichig01 Місяць тому

      Rent to own!

  • @bbarker78
    @bbarker78 Місяць тому +3

    I will be curling up with this video and my 3rd Wave for many nights - this is a huge help in surfacing things I'd likely never find. Thanks!!

  • @blankspace0000
    @blankspace0000 Місяць тому +3

    that demo track was GORGEOUS! reminded me a lot of Solar Fields

  • @cfs
    @cfs 12 днів тому

    Desktop version has climbed to the top of my wish listt (as much as I want a SE-3X). Thanks for making this video and doing all the work.

  • @michael999michael999
    @michael999michael999 11 днів тому +2

    Immense review as ever from Starsky. Have had the 3W for a year now and haven’t gassed for any synth since.
    I also have a P10 and have compared both relentlessly. I couldn’t match the saw sound of the prophet 10 for a while, until I realised that the 3w’s saw has a bunch of extra high end. If you tame it with the digital low pass (I.e. cut off the top 20-30% of buzziness), then the 3w gets VERY close

    • @bateimidrashnetwork
      @bateimidrashnetwork 5 днів тому

      so how do you feel about the P10 now? I have a P10 (and a UDO S6, Matriarch) and was wondering if replacing the P10 for a 3rd wave would be a stupid or smart move. I mean, the P10 - even with its simplicity - it's such a great sounding synth right out of the box, and very inspiring, and gives the impression that a lot of emulation attempts can get close but don't really nail the sound 100%. Did you stick to your P10 beside the 3rd wave? Do you find yourself using the P10 less since the 3rd wave arrived?

  • @jamiea6723
    @jamiea6723 Місяць тому +14

    Probably the best sounding and most versatile synth money can buy atm. Although the price is out of reach for most people.

    • @2.Plus.2.Equals.5
      @2.Plus.2.Equals.5 Місяць тому +2

      Don't worry, Behringer is already working on copying this product as well because you know... They can't come up with any original ideas themselves. I'm sure it'll be a great copy and everyone will be pleased. 😄

    • @Daphoid
      @Daphoid Місяць тому +5

      B is such a mixed thing for me. Cloning stuff that's currently on market is lame. But cloning stuff you can't buy anymore (or would cost you an arm and a leg) I don't mind. I have no interest in paying thousands for someone's dream 70's synth (to them) - but to me would be a bunch of repair bills. That's where the clones aren't as bad to me.

    • @mvsr990
      @mvsr990 Місяць тому +1

      @@2.Plus.2.Equals.5 Oh come on, I have and love the 3rd Wave but the entire thing is "wot if we made a modern PPG" (it's in the name!) - not altogether different conceptually from the UB-Xa or the Behringer Prophet, both of which are far from clones.

    • @supercompooper
      @supercompooper Місяць тому +1

      I don't know man It sounds sort of kind of I don't know... Haven't heard a sound yet that made me really love it.

    • @fleetadmiralsidiqi1941
      @fleetadmiralsidiqi1941 Місяць тому +1

      C'mon man, these statements aren't helpful. Lots of great synthesizers out there for all sorts of money. It really depends on what your preferences for knob twiddling come down to.

  • @JimDaneker
    @JimDaneker Місяць тому +1

    I had such a crazy journey with mine: totally unimpressed at first, just based on the very PPG-sounding presets which did nothing for me. I actually boxed it up to return it. But having spent the money, I wanted to give it a fair shake so I gave it a weekend - and I’m SO glad I did. It's an absolute monster synth, and might be the desert island synth of the decade. It's absolutely gorgeous in every possible way!
    Fantastic review as always, my friend!

  • @pablowentscobar
    @pablowentscobar Місяць тому +1

    Fantastic. I always feel like I'm on a posh, elegant, British ride with Starsky. Quickly becoming one of my favorite creators. I will never be in the Market for a #rd Wave, but I'm enjoying the ride, and if I ever encounter one in the wild, I'll be able to give the owner some tips. Well done sir.

  • @antsa169
    @antsa169 6 днів тому

    Bought it after your review. Thanks a lot for this "labor of love", Mr. Starsky!

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  5 днів тому

      I hope you used an affiliate link 😂

  • @JohnnyADi
    @JohnnyADi Місяць тому

    Thank you so much for this review, and for being the longest video. This is my ONLY choice of synth of everything thats currently being produced. This is extremely useful.

  • @Riistube
    @Riistube Місяць тому

    I don’t know you do it man. You’re ability to present such well organized ideas in a logical order is incredible. I also really appreciate your playing. Thanks!

  • @codelabs
    @codelabs Місяць тому +1

    Starsky, you can hold 'Compare' button and tweak the knob parameter you want and it will jump to that parameter without modifying it.

  • @aloraliquid
    @aloraliquid Місяць тому

    Definitely would love to use this on some of my stuff. Such a capable synth.
    Cheers Starsky! 💜

  • @garyholden8469
    @garyholden8469 Місяць тому

    Great video as usual, very comprehensive. Love the comparisons at the end showing just how versatile this synth is, I don’t have the space for much equipment so this has been the perfect buy for me.

  • @jumpstar9000
    @jumpstar9000 Місяць тому +1

    I absolutely love this thing, it is sooooo me. I just wish I could afford it! Maybe one day. Great deep dive man. 👏 ❤🚀💫

  • @jdaasbo
    @jdaasbo Місяць тому +1

    I was fortunate enough to purchase one of these very early on. It was stunning then and has become only more so. It is an instant classic. The Groove Synthesis people are first class. I have chatted on the phone with them. I am endlessly in love with this instrument.

  • @DaveG207
    @DaveG207 Місяць тому

    Great walkthrough. For me this is the most desirable keyboard out there right now, I just wish I could justify it 😂

  • @touchthatdial
    @touchthatdial Місяць тому

    Superb overview, detailed and thorough as always. Thank you. I got pretty excited about this synth then looked up the price. OMG. Quality costs I guess. Keep saving!

  • @synthsamuraiproductions
    @synthsamuraiproductions Місяць тому +2

    This thing so amazing… wish i had 💰 🌲 in the backyard great video man

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Місяць тому +1

      Yeah amaZING, sticks n stones bro...

  • @roseutterback5755
    @roseutterback5755 Місяць тому

    Holy funk that last Juno 60 track where the harmonized backwards was unreal bro wow

  • @Ikon_Sound
    @Ikon_Sound Місяць тому

    very nice Starsky, it looks like it will be an all time great synth 👌🏼

  • @TheTerracide
    @TheTerracide Місяць тому +1

    Awesome video but wtf is the whisper at 1:40 lol? Great review and thanks a lot for this in depth dive!

  • @lookingforamuse
    @lookingforamuse Місяць тому +1

    Sounds amazing - totally unobtanium for me but knowing products like this are out in the world is a good thing indeed.

  • @AudioLomtik
    @AudioLomtik Місяць тому

    @StarskyCarr Thanks so much for this indepth video of one of my favorite bits of gear. One that, thanks to the Groove team seems to just keep getting better and better! The Juno 60 comparison was great because this synth is a great modern replacement for the analog synths that Roland refuses to make. But it also highlights what think is one area for potential improvement --- if you listen to the "meatiness" of the bass on the Juno for plucked synth bass sounds, it has some "oomph" that the 3rd Wave lacks ever so slightly, whereas in the mids and highs the 3rd Wave either equals or surpasses the Juno. I can't be sure, but it may be something in the envelope type that makes the difference, maybe new firmware options could be introduced to give it that "oomph" of punchy analog bass? As much as I love my 3rd Wave, I would love it even more if this happened.

  • @nagchumpalot
    @nagchumpalot Місяць тому

    Great review.. Although I fear your Juno 60 ate your Juno 106 at the end 😂

  • @BruceCopenLaboratories
    @BruceCopenLaboratories Місяць тому

    Thanks for this great presentation of this really amazing sounding synth. I guess your statement "this is the synth for the island" is only too true :)

  • @jwalkermed
    @jwalkermed Місяць тому +2

    I've had mine for a few months now. All that's really missing is a editor/librarian and vst. And also needs more preset storage. Not sure how that was overlooked.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Місяць тому

      I'm a big fan of editors.. really useful to pick a patch apart.

  • @micmarkno
    @micmarkno Місяць тому

    such a great review - thank you very much!

  • @tombasports
    @tombasports Місяць тому +1

    In this world of synths all you need is 4 forms of synthesis, wavetable analog mono, prophet whatever ,tb 303 and....FM

    • @tombasports
      @tombasports Місяць тому +2

      wait thats 5 LOL

    • @jamespingel8730
      @jamespingel8730 Місяць тому

      @@tombasports I thought "wavetable analog mono" was all one thing and didn't question it for a good solid minute.

  • @istvantoth7431
    @istvantoth7431 24 дні тому

    The ultimate review is here...

  • @dankeplace
    @dankeplace Місяць тому +1

    Awesome synth Starsky, thx for the in-depth overview, I can live without one, but that just makes life a little less fun.
    Once again thx for your efforts.

  • @cldbrbn6070
    @cldbrbn6070 Місяць тому

    I never got the connection to my 1980s blue BMX bike! Or my brother’s blue cutlass supreme. They got me!! 😂

  • @JDSoundsets
    @JDSoundsets Місяць тому +3

    Due to how good this video is you are hereby charged the price of a 3rd Wave as compensation for hurting my Inner Synth Gas! Humbug..... hehe jk Great vid as always Starsky :)

  • @audioartisan
    @audioartisan Місяць тому

    My favorite section of this video: Blissful! Superb 90's new agey rhythmic goodness. Loved it! 😇 🥰 ( 1:20:42 Blissful )

  • @DrJ3RK8
    @DrJ3RK8 Місяць тому

    Excellent review! This is my favorite synth. I sold my desktop to get the keyboard version, but then accidentally-on-purpose bought a Super Gemini. :D (actually because I heard there may be a PolyAT update of some kind coming in the future for the 3rd Wave keys.) I figured I'd get the Gemini now, and then grab the PolyAT version of the 3rd Wave when that materializes. (and if for some reason it doesn't, I'll re-buy the desktop 3rd Wave and control it from the Gemini) I've only been without the 3rd Wave for about a month now, but already miss it. :D Having some withdrawl symptoms I think.

  • @derekhuntingtonmarti
    @derekhuntingtonmarti 24 дні тому

    How does this compare to the Waldorf M?
    Your videos on M have me very interested in that synth - I love that gritty but harmonious wavetable sound. 3rd Wave can obviously do more, but as a wavetable synth, does it have that character or is it always cleaner?

  • @dooldriverr
    @dooldriverr Місяць тому +1

    As close as I get is my Waldorf PPG software one. It is wonderful and as Luther’s say. Can’t afford.

  • @Goettel
    @Goettel Місяць тому +1

    Monster video, ->100K

  • @brianellis5164
    @brianellis5164 Місяць тому

    Thanks so much for doing this review, I stayed till the end! I have the Prophet 12 and this seems like it addresses all the issues I had with that synth. It seemed like Dave Smith never wanted to do revisions and each synth was like a work of art to him. That's maybe why he never wanted to redo the Prophet 5 and was against that for a long time. Apple has the opposite approach where the tweak the same product the iphone 15 different times over and over again. On the Phophet 12, I didn't like the filters, the OSC's were stiff and there wasn't any bottom end on the synth, the effects were bland, the ARP was wonky and would jump around in time, you couldn't do real wavetables or import waves. But the interface and modulation was perfect, it seems like the 3rd wave copied it's user interface and modulation. Sequential really should have made this the Prophet 12 rev2. It has double the poly, double the parts, great effects, deep bass is there, the waves now are very close to analog with vintage mode. It can even sound close to the Juno or Prophet 6 which is really impressive! Just have a 24 voice 4 part Prophet 6 would be impressive enough with all the modulation possibilities for sound design. Plus all the wavetables, VS synth, amazing filters, song mode, sampling, MPE... It seems like it has everything and I can sell the Prophet 12 and get this one. This video really sold me on it!

    • @eTERNIAN69
      @eTERNIAN69 23 дні тому

      Does it lay the same big bed of sonic distortion into beauty as the Prophet 12? Maybe....

  • @jamespingel8730
    @jamespingel8730 Місяць тому

    Great video. I just got a module a few weeks ago and have been having great fun exploring. So far, my biggest pain point by far is the envelopes. Most of my other synths express their envelopes in terms of time, rather than an abstract value from 1-127. Maybe I'll get used to it - though I had a Prophet Rev2 for 3 years and this bothered me the entire time I had that synth too.
    It just bothers me because I'll be making a sound and working on something like a decay envelope and it's not long enough at 65, not long enough at 66, so I jump up into the 80s and it's way too long. But I don't really know *how* long any of these numbers are in relation to each other. So I have to back it down to 65 and then it feels like I find out the number I wanted was either 66 or 79 every time. If I knew I was around 300ms for the decay and that's a bit too short I can go to 350ms, but I just have failed to figure out what 65 means in relation to 70 or 80 with no units to connect it to. That goes doubly for the wave envelopes.
    EDIT: I still like it overall, just being able to see the envelopes expressed in terms of time constants would be a huge workflow improvement for me.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Місяць тому +1

      That's not something I've ever considered tbh. I can't think of a hardware synth that gives me a time value. I find that I get used to the knob positions for different types of tones. For me, seconds wouldn't be that much use without knowing the beats per second, and even then I would teak the tone to fit the other elements of the track. Like you, however, I do find a new synth takes a while to get used to.

    • @brianellis5164
      @brianellis5164 Місяць тому

      What synth has time values? You can tell the difference between 250 and 275 milliseconds by ear? How is that humanly possible? Just twist the knob till you find what you like, that's how every other synth is.

    • @touchthatdial
      @touchthatdial Місяць тому

      @@StarskyCarr Hydrasynth does this. You can set each stage of each of the envelopes synced to master clock (i.e. 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64) so each envelope effectively functions like a synced one-shot LFO (and envelopes can loop too, so they can act like custom LFO shapes in that sense). It's a really useful feature.

    • @yashnu
      @yashnu Місяць тому

      @@StarskyCarr Kurzweils do. In fact almost everything is in real values, e.g. Cutoff Frequency is in Hz.

  • @Station2Station-du2gh
    @Station2Station-du2gh 13 днів тому

    12:00 what software is that with the grey background that is viewing the waves? thanks

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  12 днів тому +1

      Melda productions freeware… I’ve paid so I can save settings etc.

  • @Gasparzinho311
    @Gasparzinho311 Місяць тому

    For what a search it is the best synth on the market / all the times

  • @thirstyCactus
    @thirstyCactus 22 дні тому

    I'm on the fence about buying this thing. I've had some bad GAS lately, mostly 80's/early 90's gear. This thing covers so much ground that it would eclipse most of what I already have. Hmm... what to do...

  • @roseutterback5755
    @roseutterback5755 Місяць тому

    My favorite synth gangster with my favorite damn synth I can’t afford I played one at perfect circuit and I’m saving up for it but idk i need a new truck too sooo idk it’ll be a long time till i can afford it wish this company made a drum machine and mono synth too but all they make is that right?

  • @loweroctaves
    @loweroctaves Місяць тому

    Well, look what you You did. Now we’re gonna want this level video on every synth you review! 😂 Great job as always this was definitely so good. Didn’t even feel like an hour plus. I’ve sat with The third wave a couple times and I’m still on the fence. Gonna try to revisit it soon. Not a big deal, but I really dislike the color. I think it makes it look cheap and tacky.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Місяць тому +2

      haha not a chance ;). these take far too long to produce tbh. Everything becomes super clunky when you've got over 700GB in 300 files washing around in an external drive! This was a labour of love in the end. A challenge I wasn't going to give up on... and I really like the colour, it was a definite part of the attraction. I don't know if you've seen one in real life, but it's quite stunning.

    • @loweroctaves
      @loweroctaves Місяць тому

      700 gigs is crazy lol. Thank you for the suffering! Yes, I’ve played the third wave quite a few times and debating on picking one up at some point. Not sure yet if it’s for me though. Luckily, I have perfect circuit here so I’m able to get time in on the weekends. Cheers

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Місяць тому

      @@loweroctavesdon’t forget my perfect circuit affiliate link if you do 😅

  • @kristoferulfves2677
    @kristoferulfves2677 Місяць тому

    Sneaky ASMR sound there at 1:40 in the left channel only 😀

  • @Heathcliff_hensel
    @Heathcliff_hensel Місяць тому

    Its amazing, its just sucks that it is the same price as a good motorcycle.

  • @RulgertGhostalker
    @RulgertGhostalker Місяць тому

    it's pretty rad,
    but I would rather a nonlinear labs c-15 and money in my pocket.

  • @RayyMusik
    @RayyMusik Місяць тому

    I‘m still hesitating to buy this marvel - because I‘m afraid all my Prophets, Obies, Iridium, Hydrasynth etc. would become obsolete.

    • @bobcoover
      @bobcoover Місяць тому +3

      You may be right, but we have a guarantee if you don't love it. 😄

    • @RayyMusik
      @RayyMusik Місяць тому +1

      ⁠@@bobcooverOf course I love the 3W (from a distance up to now). It was love at first sight. But would I need any other synth besides it? Perhaps my OB-X8 and a Minimoog - what else?

    • @DrSynth
      @DrSynth Місяць тому +1

      @RayyMusik I can confirm the 3rd Wave gets along very well with the Iridium and Hydrasynth and would not 'obsolete' them.😉

    • @marzzz1
      @marzzz1 Місяць тому +1

      I went to NAMM '22 to check out the OB-X8, and came away preordering the 3rd Wave instead. Since then I just haven't had any GAS for any other polysynth (though I will check out the PB12 when it becomes available). The 3W just sounds so great on its own, the only reason to get a P10 or OB-X8 would be if you HAD to have that exact sound. However, as an OG Minimoog owner I would never part with my 2016 Reissue.

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Місяць тому

      @@marzzz1 the PB12 is all weaksauce, it offers nothing new sonically, has whistles and bells but the oscillators aren't anything special.
      When you soak your patches in FX and rely on the Morphee, you can get better sounding synths and just use an Etouchee pedal.
      3rd Wave is 4 synths in 1, and just sounds better imo.

  • @user-wr7vy8wt6r
    @user-wr7vy8wt6r Місяць тому +1

    Звук отличается от Juno-60 и не в лучшую сторону.

  • @BOSSenjoyer
    @BOSSenjoyer Місяць тому

    Same vibe as a Behringer clone

  • @patsalty
    @patsalty Місяць тому +1

    One thing I would have loved for them to have implemented is a MIDI channel and local mode override per patch rather than just having them set globally...so when using it as a MIDI controller for other hardware synths it would be a breeze to just select that patch. Still love it to death, it really is a perfect synth. Great video!

    • @RayyMusik
      @RayyMusik Місяць тому +1

      I would mute it on the mixer in such cases.

    • @StarskyCarr
      @StarskyCarr  Місяць тому +1

      ..or turn the part off.

    • @paulmapp8306
      @paulmapp8306 Місяць тому +2

      I have a controller patch programmed..... Parts are set to 0 volume, and each part is assigned a midi channel.... Instantly controls my 4 desktops (P6, OB6, Peak and Virus Ti2) on dedicated buttons.

    • @RayyMusik
      @RayyMusik Місяць тому

      @@paulmapp8306 Best solution! Thanks.