It is a product of disabilities for those who strive to understand themselves so as to minimize vulnerabilities and maximize strengths. Thru their trials, they realize the effort it takes to live their lives and so r a bit mindful of ppls'.
He understands the way their brains work to a lesser extent, and experiencing a similar feeling allows him to really empathize instead of just being sympathetic.
Really glad Jon Richardson did a program like this, so people won't just see OCD as something funny or to be glorified. It's a legitimate disorder that people deal with from day to day.
the problem with that is that most times programs like this just preach to the choir because just the people who respect it already watch it and those who are ignorant towards it either dont watch it or keep on making fun of it anyway... but i guess if it just informed a single person its a success so youre right :)
Well, here I am as a counterpoint, I'm about to watch this with genuine interest, and I only clicked on it because I thought it was going to be one of his standups.
Honestly, I really don't think OCD is at much of a risk of being glorified. As for being "funny", it is important to remind ourselves that finding humor in something is not diametrically opposed to it being understood to be a legitimate disorder. Frankly, a bit of humor about psychological conditions can help people who suffer from them, provided they also know that they can get help - and humor can really lift the stigma off mental conditions and disorders in a society.
"It's my fault. I deserve to be unhappy for wanting it to be a certain way". That right there gives words to a kernel of personal truth and a lie that I could never put words to.
i had no clue it could get so bad for people to resort to that, but it makes sense that if you don't get treatment it's possible it escalates immesurably, it broke my heart to learn this
I worked in behavioral health for 30 years, and I’m impressed with how well this was produced. I wish more people in America could see this. Thanks, Jon, for putting yourself out there and taking us on this journey into the depths of OCD.
This was recommended to me because I've been watching a lot of 8o10c does countdown and I'm really glad I watched it because it did not only give me more perspective on what OCD actually is, but also who Jon is. This was great.
Especially when she starts reading her son's letter before suicide it's so heartbreaking, like ik ocd is bad but I never tought someone would kill himself because of that.
I love at 5:29 when the other guy says he doesn't like saying he has OCD because people suffer from it so much worse than he does. I appreciate that... so many people have a little quirk and say "OMG I'm sooo OCD"... No, you not. You have a quirk, not a disabling disorder.
no but people who do actually have OCD should be able to say they have it. it might actually be because of an obsession that he doesn't like saying he has it.
I don’t love that he says that because he is clinically diagnosed with OCD and thus should be able to say it. Just because some people suffer more from it doesn’t invalidate the ways in which he suffers. I hope he finds peace
people without autism and adhd also say that same ignorant stuff , "oh, we are all a bit adhd / autistic / ocd...". no. no you are not.! and be grateful, you ignorant .....'s!
That's the really interesting thing about mental illness, I think. There are amusing things about it. The obsessions of somebody with OCD can be odd or quirky. But they can also be tragic and debilitating. The show, Monk, did a phenomenal job of portraying the humorous aspects of Monk's many phobias and obsessive compulsions, while also being warm and sympathetic. As "friends" of the main character, we can see the humor in them and be "in on the joke," but when somebody is genuinely cruel, it stops being humorous. I think Russell is in that pocket. He and Richardson still get on and Jon's compulsions are still the subject of rather a lot of ribbing by his friends and colleagues. So there is humor to be had there. Russell's concern that he really made Jon uncomfortable is a good crystallization of where that line in the sand is.
You can say the same thing to two different people and get massively different responses. I have a friend who is 6'5" and 360. You can call him fat all day, he doesnt care on account of being a literal giant. Another friend is 110. Even insinuating that she has gained weight or is eating more and she's a wreck. Like Horrible Bright mentioned nothing is worse than everyone joking about stuff, having a good time and then you look over to see if your friend is having a good time too and your friend isn't there; shes gone to the bathroom to cry. Drives a spear right through you.
This broke me up a bit. I believe OCD probably could have been listed as my Mom's death. At the least, it was a significant contributing factor. She had some degree of it for as long as I could remember but she refused to get help and it just got worse as she and I aged. In many ways it was a lousy way to grow up. The family was so bound up in her need to have things just right. She'd get nauseous and ill from the anxiety of things weren't in her control. As a pre-teen and teen she relied on me heavily to calm her fears. I resented her a great deal. I wanted a mom who could care for me, not someone who needed me to help her manage her obsessions and compulsions. She became more and more of a shut in and that closed off my world too. It was hard to be in a child in a house, where everything had to be just right. If we were "too rowdy" she would obsess that the vibrations and had caused items on shelves or tables to move. She'd "straighten it" but the adjustment would be so small only she could tell and then she'd move it again and again and there's be all this distress. She had notes and notes about her notes and if something was on her note, that included you, her world wouldn't be right until you had fulfilled whatever was on her note. Once I moved out, it felt like freedom and I never wanted to go back. I wanted to live my own life and not be her caretaker or bound by her obsessions. And then, she did become a shut-in. She became ill and developed an infection (I didn't know at the time) and she refused to leave the house. The refusing to leave the house, was the same thing but at a much greater scale and cost to what I'd experienced as a child. By the time she went to the hospital she was too sick to recover. I wish I could have let go of my resentment before she died. I did after and have mostly forgiven myself for not being able to help her. Hearing the severity of OCD discussed in a kind and honest matter ... I don't know... I guess it validates my experience growing up in that environment. And maybe it makes her death a bit more understandable too.
rus's reaction to jon saying he slept in the car and when he said 'you shouldve said' was so sad he looked genuinely upset and guilty and based off how rus presents himself i really believe it
I beg to differ to be honest. I found Russell‘s reaction patronising and self-serving. Any supposed remorse garnered from his expression seemed more for the sake of the camera staring right at his face rather than out of genuine reflection. The fact that Jon had really not much to say about Russell‘s reaction, who was essentially a bully to Jon and also seemed to be the chief instigator behind the rest of the flatmates deeming Jon‘s fair game, spoke volumes to that effect too. Good on you Jon for facing your bullies head on and telling them as it is!
J Life I'd say calling them bullies is going a bit far. Jon clearly tried hiding it as much as possible, so to them it probably did seem like Jon was just a "neat/control freak". Constantly being told what to do or how to do something by a flatmate can definitely be annoying, so I can see where they're coming from. I will agree that Russell's reaction was definitely hammed up and even after talking with Jon, I still don't think he really understood it. If you watch anything where the two of them are on together, it's quite clear that they are really good friends and care about each other a lot. My speculation is that Russell watched this documentary and truly realized what Jon is going through: as well as anyone not actually experiencing it can. Not to mention, not living together definitely would have helped that relationship.
@@jlife9092 dude they arent bullies. They were friends poking fun at him, not understanding how serious his condition was (or even that he had a condition). Russ is a genuinely good guy, and from _all_ their reactions you can tell they had no idea Jon slept in the car or how much of an issue their mess was (I would also argue that a lot of what they did wasn't on purpose, just messy young adults being messy young adults and Jon's illogical thoughts twisted that into "they're doing that on purpose and hate me". Which could have been fixed by Jon speaking up snd saying how he felt, instead of quietly fixing things to his standards.) You gotta remember their interaction was edited as well. I was caught off guard by how quickly they cut after Russ, not showing Jon's response, so I'm sure there's a lot of context missing.
@@PointsofData Well, if they really were his friends at that time, as you pointed out, they would have figured out that he was sleeping in the car, no? That's what friends do, by default.
@@felix_christopher huh? People have different lifestyles and living habits. If my roommate doesn't come home at night I might not even know it until next morning or afternoon. I sleep early and wake up early. He comes late and often sleeps in. They are stand up comedians, so I also expect them to have very hectic schedules. I am sure that tours, late night performances, video shoots and many other things would make them spend an unplanned night in hotel quite often.
I've had OCD since I was a kid and desensitizing myself (on my own) is one of the best things I've ever done for myself. I started doing things like walking on uneven numbers of pavers or not obeying a compulsion to prevent a death in the family or whatever. I'd make level paintings uneven and step twice on one foot without evening it out. Just messing everything up. Thinking you're putting your loved ones' lives in danger is hard and scary, but not being compelled to do stuff is so much better.
I had no idea Jon had done this documentary. I have OCD and regularly get mocked by my family for it. I absolutely love that he has addressed the possible offense of the jokes, though I enjoy offensive humor, and I love the compassion he showed those with OCD.
Fascinating. I think this was very well done, and it provided me with some insight into a world I am not a part of. Even more of a fan of Jon Richardson now.
This was really interesting. It tugged my heartstrings to see him walk away so rigidly after the toilet seat exercise and when mother talked about her son.
Expossure therapy is the quickest way of knowing, that your body will survive, the will of Life is the most strong will there is, and the body might get ill. But through Living, your body shall cope with whatever illness is beset before you.
I had a professor in a clinic psychology course talk about doing this with his patients. His ultimate cleanliness exposure level was to be able to go into a train station toilet from hell, get water from the bowl on your hands, and splash it on your face and neck like aftershave.
THANK YOU. I got anxious as well, particularly as he went on without washing up. Actually paused the video to break from it and let myself calm down. I used to have an obsessive compulsion when I was a kid - I'd touch everything twice, once to pick the germs up, once to put them down. Doorknobs, flush levers, whatever. That went away when I learned that's not how germs work. Now I'm just left with "That's fucking gross. I get that I wouldn't get sick or die from it. But it's gross. So no. No doing. God, why would you do that and not wash up? WHY WOULD YOU DO IT AND LICK YOUR HANDS?! IT'S SO GROSS."
SirRebrl, I used to have these compulsions as well as a kid (like never touching things near toilets, blinking my eyes hard every two seconds, carefully watching where I place my feet...). Then I saw someone else behave like that and the silliness of it just struck me and I moved away from it. Now I could genuinely crawl through the sewers with little hesitation! People who don´t have OCD wouldn´t find it normal to touch the toilet bowl and lick their hands either. and just like you, they don´t see any reason to do it. However, if doing it can convince an OCD sufferer that there´s no risk behind it, then there is a good reason! The fact that you say you would NEVER do it because you would feel gross afterwards, does indicate you´re still dealing with some level of OCD.
@@robertdegroot8302 It apparently does something good for people who experience debilitating OCD, so sure. I experience no substantial detriment to my ability to go about my life, so whatever I may have I'm cool with it, and it's questionable whether it could be regarded as clinically significant enough to call it "OCD".
After seeing you on the panel shows and clips from your comedy stand-ups, this just blew me away. The intelligence you displayed in your reporting and the compassion you showed. Especially after talking to the young man who was just starting to lose himself to OCD and the mother who had it from her father then passed it on to her son who lost his life to it. You did a wonderful job with this program. I hope you know, because of what you did, more people will realize there is hope and help for them. Whether you believe in one or not, God bless you sir.
Thank You Jon Richardson. After 16 years, you have helped me realize that my cutlery tray is bottom up. I'll fix it tomorrow. No, I should fix it right now.
I used to have OCD and I am so glad I was able to get the amazing treatment that I got. I remember standing at the sink sobbing because I was missing lunch nearly every day because it would take me too long to wash my hand. I did the exposure therapy they talked about and it was absolutely horrible, but it worked. I still live with some compulsions and I am constantly managing the bit of OCD that is always threatening to come back. My mother also has compulsions but they never got to the point of ocd, and my great aunt on the other side has issues as well that I believe would rise to the level of OCD but she has never gotten a diagnosis. I am going off to college next year and I am nervous about how I will fair, but I know I have the skills to keep it from coming back if I am willing to work. I just hope that everyone out there knows that all though it is a tough battle, it can be won, and even if it doesn't fully go away with work you can get better.
Hi Haley. I don't have OCD and yet even I would have a lot of difficulty with exposure therapy, as it is so counter-intuitive to basic cleanliness. Therefore my respect and admiration for you and others waging this battle is absolute. I wish you a productive and triumphant time at college.
I love this little world of British panel shows and comedians I've stumbled upon, and this was a very nice watch after getting to know Jon Richardson on 8 out of 10 cats. As an American I feel like all these panel show comedians exist in a tiny bubble, and I wonder if they're aware of the American stand-up scene. What I'm getting at is that Jon Richardson should totally check out Maria Bamford's work. "Would it be better if we called them goblins?"
@@fauxparr The airwaves over here are just too depressing to turn on anymore, binge watching British panel shows has been one of the few things keeping me sane.
Oh ye they are their own genre of comedy over here. People ask "Do you like British comedy" you English just see it as "comedy" I'm sure but its very different than American Comedy. Compare and Contrast Joe Rogan and Jimmy Carr. You guys also allow some weirder shit in your comedy, Noel Fielding comes to mind. I really dont think Americans have an equivalent or could handle one.
Not to say Americans can stand irrational irreverent comedy but....Noel Fielding....I dont know how to describe him other than weird. Hes the human equivalent to "Thats funny" "funny 'haha?'" "No funny strange"
I'd like to thank Jon for doing this brave, moving doc. I don't have OCD, but I am glad that I understand it more now. I just hope I can laugh at Jon's material without feeling guilty now!
I was quite a bit like this when I was younger, around the age of 11, 12, 13 ...I remember lots of symmetry problems, order, balance etc..all the behavior in this documentary is familiar to me in my memory, I did most of it, but it was never destructive, and i could always break myself of it, eventually it went away, but my nerves remember it.
They don't cause him distress, yet he slept in his car because he couldn't deal with the mess? I know he said it was worse years ago, but it's ups and downs. I don't know, I wonder if he let the doctor know that part.
It seems a bit weird to me in a way, because someone could have serious compulsions quite regularly, but be in a situation where they are able to manage it, like not having to go out or living with a parent who goes with it. So it's a serious problem in their life but doesn't cause the 'necessary level of distress'. I know it's quite similar with a number of other disorders, one of the main deciding factors is just how it bothers you. And some people could say "In a way enacting the compulsions calms me a little bit, so not as much distress". Anyway, this is something that's bothered me for quite a long time since my journey trying to gain an understanding of what I have.
my dad has OCD so ive always been really sensitive about jokes about it so it's really nice to see stuff like that really analyze the disorder and show people that it isnt funny, it can be genuinely upsetting, john truly is doing the lord's work
This makes me want to cry. I hope that therapists are really exploring all the treatment options; i don't know what meds really are working- and of course there are all the side effects. I hope these people find freedom and peace.
I have a friend with fairly severe OCD and he gets tremendous relief from counseling, an antidepressant and Ativan for panic attacks brought on by overwhelming compulsions and his only regret is that he didn't get help earlier. I feel honored that he feels comfortable confiding in me and he recently told me that I was the one who convinced him to seek the help of a professional because I suffer from sever panic disorder and depression and am very open about it and my mental health in general as I've dealt with it for most of my life.
It’s good to know that you are out there for people like your friend :) Just came across this video randomly and your comment and something made me want to acknowledge your post :) Hope you and your friend are doing well
Obsessive Compulsive Order ... actually - that is a very interesting notion. For those who end up getting an OCD diagnosis, there does seem to be a rational basis at first for the way they do things and we can see that from the people Jon met in this programme. But then something happens - some sort of stressor - and the sense of order that Jon has in this OCO notion just goes out of the window. And then the shit really hits the fan, it seems. Excellent documentary. Thank you for posting it!
Thank you so much for doing this, Jon. As a man in his late 40s, I know I have a problem, but don't have the courage (for lack of a better word) to face it and get help. I've been like this for as long as I can remember. My wife and kid sometimes look at me with a bewildered look that just breaks my heart and I just don't know how to explain it. You've helped me so much. Again, thank you. You're a LEGEND!
Perhaps sharing this with them, if you haven’t done so already, would help them to understand what life is like for you, and why what you do feels so important to you. Your family sound like they may get a lot out of something like this. You describe them as bewildered, perhaps lacking a comprehension of the realities of OCD. They may find this to be a way to connect to what’s actually happening. Hopefully that could lead to more connection with you.
@@graciep.6984 you're absolutely right! Communication is key. I did share this video with my wife 2 nights after my comment and we had a long chat. Not saying everything is peachy now, but now I get a sort of "Is this your OCD showing up? It's alright, love" kind of look. I can honestly say that it was such a relief to share this with her. She's working on processing the information and I've seriously started to think about seeking professional help. Cheers!
I was very moved by your comment. Can you not tell your wife the problem you have that seems to upset or has frustrated her most, and together, face the challenge? I can't make a suggestion, because I don't know your sticking points. Can you not give yourself a challenge to do something, to stop your wife from crying? It might not be crying at your challenge, but it might be from sadness at not understanding. Maybe it is putting your hands in dishwashing water? Face it once, twice, three or 4 times a day. Maybe put your hands in the water to hold her hand? Can you not spend a lot of time learning about the extraordinary airborne things that HELP us? You know that children raised with kittens/cats - and litter trays, with puppies and dogs who shed hairs, roll in cow poo, if they find it, or lick their bottoms, are LESS LIKELY to get asthma? Did you know that some research has found that people who get tapeworms often have much less problems with really bad ecxma? It is said that the tapeworm somehow puts out a generalised soothing in the body, to have a happy life. It really is fascinating. Not all things floating about are bad - don't forget Fleming's penicillin, that came in through an open window... Hope you have progressed. I see your comment is a year old, now.
@@georgielancaster1356 Hi! Yes, things are better. I had a long conversation with my family AND even sought professional help; something I thought I would have never done. Also, I joined a support group a few months ago. There are good days and bad days. Fortunately, today is a good day. Thanks for reaching out.
It was amazing to see Jon in that way. So understanding and respectful and supportive. Truly like him as a good and genuine man who has problems and difficulties like all of us.
This is an incredibly well done program. I discovered Jon through 8 out of 10 cats on you tube. I'm in the US. This work has given me a whole new outlook on Jon and OCD itself. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you, that was one of the most beneficial things on the telly. Jon you faced a demon in doing this for the help of others. You are a star. Many thanks indeed for all the self-exposure you had to face in making this to benefit others. Oh and your Mum is very cool. You are lucky to have her. Cheers
Excellent. I watched , and at certain junctures...., re-watched parts of this excellent video. Very educational to so many people! Thanks, Mr. Jon Richardson! Would love to meet you one day! Lot's of love from the USA!
Jon, thank you for this worthwhile exploration. Thanks to your attention - and your celebrity - I think you've opened a door to a world we seldom see (outside of the jokes made about it.) I hope that all the people who need some help will be able to get it, and most of all that they will be shown love and tolerance that makes life livable.
The thing with OCD is that like the other anxiety disorders is that symptoms aren't always the same and quite often merge together with other anxiety disorder symptoms to create an abomination of an anxiety disorder specific to that person.
I came to Jon and the whole BBC, QI comedy/nerd world through No Such Thing As a Fish, early pandemic. So many wonderful folks involved - even Jimmy Carr? - but this piece is really extraordinary - heartbreaking and so brave of Jon to do this. Kudos!
One of the most interesting videos I've seen in awhile. I knew I had an issue with control in my 20s. After an incident where I was court ordered to see someone for anger and several meetings I started to try to change little things. 40 years later I still have little quirks but stopping these habits is never ending but achievable. Good luck.
I've had OCD my entire life and was diagnosed at 13 when it got so bad I felt like I couldn't function. This is one of maybe three times I've ever felt like someone understands the way I see the world.
This made me cry a lot. Poor Jon has had a very painful life and I didn't realise just how bad it was. Shame such bad things happen so such lovely blokes.
This was fascinating to watch. I've got some of the same things. I COMPLETELY understood the sidewalk stuff and germs and ... others. I never noticed that it got worse as my anxiety grew. That's something I'm going to keep an eye on. I notice that some of my compulsions have grown over time but my skill level for dealing with stress has too..... maybe there's something to that.
I’m most impressed with your candidness. It is so hard to “come out” with a problem like yours. I hope your self awareness has changed with respect to your OCD. 😁👍🏻🇦🇺
I also got the thoughts about walking, cushions, table/food positioning and keeping margarine or ice-cream even in the box, but my room is a total chaos, yet it is a chaos where I want things to stay exactly where I've thrown them. Very interesting and informative video, and it was quite a pleasure to see this other side of Jon. Thank you for posting
This really opened my eyes to what OCD really is about, beyond the pop culture jokes. Jon treats the people he meets with such respect, which I reckon they don't often get. All while also worrying about what he's learning could mean for him. Very well done. Stumbled on it because of watching 8oo10c videos, glad I clicked.
This made me cry...its hard to understand how we can put ourselves through this type of behavior which isolates people in the worst case scenario. I love the fact that Jon is so concerned for others and himself...he seems like such a good person.
This was very interesting and good to watch. I'm so happy that I can only call myself a perfectionist, but being able to let all things side off as well. That i just can turn that part of my brain off for a bit when it's necessary. I'm really glad Jon made such a good and clear program about this!
In Second Brain Psychology, OCD is always considered a sign of psycho-emotional conflict or trauma which starts in childhood and which can surface later due to triggering situations. It can be cured by reprocessing the experiences that caused it.
There is such a thing as OCPD (obsessive compulsive personality disorder) in which you have intrusive rules, fixations, and an inability to delegate among some others. It just isn't quite as severe as OCD.
This was a mind blowing video. I am really glad that I am a messy, disorganized person. I also adore Jon....and hope he can keep his mild symptoms as they are.
Jon seems like such a genuine, kind guy. The way he talks to and treats those people with OCD is really nice. He's so understanding and respectful.
jon is so respectful! he's trying so hard to make sure everyone he talks to is comfortable and he is just so patient it really is nice
It is a product of disabilities for those who strive to understand themselves so as to minimize vulnerabilities and maximize strengths. Thru their trials, they realize the effort it takes to live their lives and so r a bit mindful of ppls'.
He understands the way their brains work to a lesser extent, and experiencing a similar feeling allows him to really empathize instead of just being sympathetic.
Really glad Jon Richardson did a program like this, so people won't just see OCD as something funny or to be glorified. It's a legitimate disorder that people deal with from day to day.
Yeah Jon is great guy
Emily L Have you seen Stephen Fry's documentary on being bipolar? It's done in a similar style as this and just as informative and interesting.
the problem with that is that most times programs like this just preach to the choir because just the people who respect it already watch it and those who are ignorant towards it either dont watch it or keep on making fun of it anyway... but i guess if it just informed a single person its a success so youre right :)
Well, here I am as a counterpoint, I'm about to watch this with genuine interest, and I only clicked on it because I thought it was going to be one of his standups.
Honestly, I really don't think OCD is at much of a risk of being glorified. As for being "funny", it is important to remind ourselves that finding humor in something is not diametrically opposed to it being understood to be a legitimate disorder. Frankly, a bit of humor about psychological conditions can help people who suffer from them, provided they also know that they can get help - and humor can really lift the stigma off mental conditions and disorders in a society.
"It's my fault. I deserve to be unhappy for wanting it to be a certain way". That right there gives words to a kernel of personal truth and a lie that I could never put words to.
broke my heart
That was a tough one
It's been 5 years, but the wording of that sentence is now in my journal. Thanks for that.
the woman lost her son and she's afraid of upsetting jon im genuinely so sad
Cody Smith i wept
i had no clue it could get so bad for people to resort to that, but it makes sense that if you don't get treatment it's possible it escalates immesurably, it broke my heart to learn this
I worked in behavioral health for 30 years, and I’m impressed with how well this was produced. I wish more people in America could see this. Thanks, Jon, for putting yourself out there and taking us on this journey into the depths of OCD.
This was recommended to me because I've been watching a lot of 8o10c does countdown and I'm really glad I watched it because it did not only give me more perspective on what OCD actually is, but also who Jon is. This was great.
I’m exactly the same.
same here
I loved him from the moment I saw my first 8o10c clip. This doc is was awesome
I went here thinking "oh this might be funny"
40 minutes later, i wept
Especially when she starts reading her son's letter before suicide it's so heartbreaking, like ik ocd is bad but I never tought someone would kill himself because of that.
I love at 5:29 when the other guy says he doesn't like saying he has OCD because people suffer from it so much worse than he does. I appreciate that... so many people have a little quirk and say "OMG I'm sooo OCD"... No, you not. You have a quirk, not a disabling disorder.
no but people who do actually have OCD should be able to say they have it. it might actually be because of an obsession that he doesn't like saying he has it.
I don’t love that he says that because he is clinically diagnosed with OCD and thus should be able to say it. Just because some people suffer more from it doesn’t invalidate the ways in which he suffers. I hope he finds peace
people without autism and adhd also say that same ignorant stuff , "oh, we are all a bit adhd / autistic / ocd...".
no. no you are not.! and be grateful, you ignorant .....'s!
Look at Russell Howard's reaction to Jon saying he slept in the car sometimes. He is really concerned - such a sweetheart.
Yeah you could see his heart break.
Yeah, the realisation that what you thought of as a harmless ribbing actually hurt someone you care about. It's brutal.
That's the really interesting thing about mental illness, I think. There are amusing things about it. The obsessions of somebody with OCD can be odd or quirky. But they can also be tragic and debilitating. The show, Monk, did a phenomenal job of portraying the humorous aspects of Monk's many phobias and obsessive compulsions, while also being warm and sympathetic. As "friends" of the main character, we can see the humor in them and be "in on the joke," but when somebody is genuinely cruel, it stops being humorous.
I think Russell is in that pocket. He and Richardson still get on and Jon's compulsions are still the subject of rather a lot of ribbing by his friends and colleagues. So there is humor to be had there. Russell's concern that he really made Jon uncomfortable is a good crystallization of where that line in the sand is.
There's taking the piss and there's bullying. The difference is not in intention or delivery but in reception and internalization.
You can say the same thing to two different people and get massively different responses.
I have a friend who is 6'5" and 360. You can call him fat all day, he doesnt care on account of being a literal giant.
Another friend is 110. Even insinuating that she has gained weight or is eating more and she's a wreck.
Like Horrible Bright mentioned nothing is worse than everyone joking about stuff, having a good time and then you look over to see if your friend is having a good time too and your friend isn't there; shes gone to the bathroom to cry. Drives a spear right through you.
This broke me up a bit. I believe OCD probably could have been listed as my Mom's death. At the least, it was a significant contributing factor. She had some degree of it for as long as I could remember but she refused to get help and it just got worse as she and I aged. In many ways it was a lousy way to grow up. The family was so bound up in her need to have things just right. She'd get nauseous and ill from the anxiety of things weren't in her control.
As a pre-teen and teen she relied on me heavily to calm her fears. I resented her a great deal. I wanted a mom who could care for me, not someone who needed me to help her manage her obsessions and compulsions. She became more and more of a shut in and that closed off my world too. It was hard to be in a child in a house, where everything had to be just right. If we were "too rowdy" she would obsess that the vibrations and had caused items on shelves or tables to move. She'd "straighten it" but the adjustment would be so small only she could tell and then she'd move it again and again and there's be all this distress. She had notes and notes about her notes and if something was on her note, that included you, her world wouldn't be right until you had fulfilled whatever was on her note. Once I moved out, it felt like freedom and I never wanted to go back. I wanted to live my own life and not be her caretaker or bound by her obsessions. And then, she did become a shut-in. She became ill and developed an infection (I didn't know at the time) and she refused to leave the house. The refusing to leave the house, was the same thing but at a much greater scale and cost to what I'd experienced as a child. By the time she went to the hospital she was too sick to recover.
I wish I could have let go of my resentment before she died. I did after and have mostly forgiven myself for not being able to help her. Hearing the severity of OCD discussed in a kind and honest matter ... I don't know... I guess it validates my experience growing up in that environment. And maybe it makes her death a bit more understandable too.
Sending you love and understanding and hope you find peace over time
I was so looking forward to seeing inside Jons bedroom
The floor is probably made of Lego.
I think he didn't want the social media contaminating his room.
rus's reaction to jon saying he slept in the car and when he said 'you shouldve said' was so sad he looked genuinely upset and guilty and based off how rus presents himself i really believe it
I beg to differ to be honest. I found Russell‘s reaction patronising and self-serving. Any supposed remorse garnered from his expression seemed more for the sake of the camera staring right at his face rather than out of genuine reflection. The fact that Jon had really not much to say about Russell‘s reaction, who was essentially a bully to Jon and also seemed to be the chief instigator behind the rest of the flatmates deeming Jon‘s fair game, spoke volumes to that effect too. Good on you Jon for facing your bullies head on and telling them as it is!
J Life I'd say calling them bullies is going a bit far. Jon clearly tried hiding it as much as possible, so to them it probably did seem like Jon was just a "neat/control freak". Constantly being told what to do or how to do something by a flatmate can definitely be annoying, so I can see where they're coming from. I will agree that Russell's reaction was definitely hammed up and even after talking with Jon, I still don't think he really understood it. If you watch anything where the two of them are on together, it's quite clear that they are really good friends and care about each other a lot. My speculation is that Russell watched this documentary and truly realized what Jon is going through: as well as anyone not actually experiencing it can. Not to mention, not living together definitely would have helped that relationship.
@@jlife9092 dude they arent bullies. They were friends poking fun at him, not understanding how serious his condition was (or even that he had a condition). Russ is a genuinely good guy, and from _all_ their reactions you can tell they had no idea Jon slept in the car or how much of an issue their mess was (I would also argue that a lot of what they did wasn't on purpose, just messy young adults being messy young adults and Jon's illogical thoughts twisted that into "they're doing that on purpose and hate me". Which could have been fixed by Jon speaking up snd saying how he felt, instead of quietly fixing things to his standards.)
You gotta remember their interaction was edited as well. I was caught off guard by how quickly they cut after Russ, not showing Jon's response, so I'm sure there's a lot of context missing.
@@PointsofData Well, if they really were his friends at that time, as you pointed out, they would have figured out that he was sleeping in the car, no? That's what friends do, by default.
@@felix_christopher huh? People have different lifestyles and living habits. If my roommate doesn't come home at night I might not even know it until next morning or afternoon. I sleep early and wake up early. He comes late and often sleeps in.
They are stand up comedians, so I also expect them to have very hectic schedules. I am sure that tours, late night performances, video shoots and many other things would make them spend an unplanned night in hotel quite often.
I've had OCD since I was a kid and desensitizing myself (on my own) is one of the best things I've ever done for myself. I started doing things like walking on uneven numbers of pavers or not obeying a compulsion to prevent a death in the family or whatever. I'd make level paintings uneven and step twice on one foot without evening it out. Just messing everything up. Thinking you're putting your loved ones' lives in danger is hard and scary, but not being compelled to do stuff is so much better.
I've loved Jon as comic, yet seeing this show: I have a new respect for him & his compassion.
Jon is a rare breed of man. Smart, funny, ambitious and very humble. Thank you Jon for being!
It's scary to think that some people who have OCD are scared for their life at every moment. It makes me thankful of how blessed I am.
That has the component of panic attacks as well.
At least they don't feel bad for other people like you.
@@RgW00D wot m8?
I had no idea Jon had done this documentary. I have OCD and regularly get mocked by my family for it. I absolutely love that he has addressed the possible offense of the jokes, though I enjoy offensive humor, and I love the compassion he showed those with OCD.
God bless you Jon. You are a fantastic comedian & come across as a hell of a nice guy. I wish you nothing but the best. Keep on making us laugh.
Fascinating. I think this was very well done, and it provided me with some insight into a world I am not a part of. Even more of a fan of Jon Richardson now.
as a man living with OCD i look up to you Jon you are my favourite comedian ever.
This was really interesting. It tugged my heartstrings to see him walk away so rigidly after the toilet seat exercise and when mother talked about her son.
not much of a commenter - but this is genuinely excellent broadcasting. intelligent, warm and thoughtful.
that was a good commen, though. thank you
That bit with the lady and her son was really sad. :(
This was tough to watch at times, and that woman who lost her son genuinely had me tearing up, but I'm glad I finally watched it.
The compassion and empathy of this sweet man, is just so beautiful.
Jon, I just want to give you a hug man. You are a star commedian and a beautiful human being.
holy crap i got anxious watching jon touch the toilet...and then his hair!?! ahh
Expossure therapy is the quickest way of knowing, that your body will survive, the will of Life is the most strong will there is, and the body might get ill. But through Living, your body shall cope with whatever illness is beset before you.
I had a professor in a clinic psychology course talk about doing this with his patients. His ultimate cleanliness exposure level was to be able to go into a train station toilet from hell, get water from the bowl on your hands, and splash it on your face and neck like aftershave.
THANK YOU. I got anxious as well, particularly as he went on without washing up. Actually paused the video to break from it and let myself calm down. I used to have an obsessive compulsion when I was a kid - I'd touch everything twice, once to pick the germs up, once to put them down. Doorknobs, flush levers, whatever. That went away when I learned that's not how germs work.
Now I'm just left with "That's fucking gross. I get that I wouldn't get sick or die from it. But it's gross. So no. No doing. God, why would you do that and not wash up? WHY WOULD YOU DO IT AND LICK YOUR HANDS?! IT'S SO GROSS."
SirRebrl,
I used to have these compulsions as well as a kid (like never touching things near toilets, blinking my eyes hard every two seconds, carefully watching where I place my feet...). Then I saw someone else behave like that and the silliness of it just struck me and I moved away from it. Now I could genuinely crawl through the sewers with little hesitation! People who don´t have OCD wouldn´t find it normal to touch the toilet bowl and lick their hands either. and just like you, they don´t see any reason to do it. However, if doing it can convince an OCD sufferer that there´s no risk behind it, then there is a good reason! The fact that you say you would NEVER do it because you would feel gross afterwards, does indicate you´re still dealing with some level of OCD.
@@robertdegroot8302
It apparently does something good for people who experience debilitating OCD, so sure. I experience no substantial detriment to my ability to go about my life, so whatever I may have I'm cool with it, and it's questionable whether it could be regarded as clinically significant enough to call it "OCD".
After seeing you on the panel shows and clips from your comedy stand-ups, this just blew me away. The intelligence you displayed in your reporting and the compassion you showed. Especially after talking to the young man who was just starting to lose himself to OCD and the mother who had it from her father then passed it on to her son who lost his life to it. You did a wonderful job with this program. I hope you know, because of what you did, more people will realize there is hope and help for them. Whether you believe in one or not, God bless you sir.
Thank You Jon Richardson. After 16 years, you have helped me realize that my cutlery tray is bottom up. I'll fix it tomorrow. No, I should fix it right now.
You can honestly tell that Jon is a very humble and caring person.Plus as a comedian all he wants to do is make people laugh.You are the man Jon.
I used to have OCD and I am so glad I was able to get the amazing treatment that I got. I remember standing at the sink sobbing because I was missing lunch nearly every day because it would take me too long to wash my hand. I did the exposure therapy they talked about and it was absolutely horrible, but it worked. I still live with some compulsions and I am constantly managing the bit of OCD that is always threatening to come back. My mother also has compulsions but they never got to the point of ocd, and my great aunt on the other side has issues as well that I believe would rise to the level of OCD but she has never gotten a diagnosis. I am going off to college next year and I am nervous about how I will fair, but I know I have the skills to keep it from coming back if I am willing to work. I just hope that everyone out there knows that all though it is a tough battle, it can be won, and even if it doesn't fully go away with work you can get better.
Hi Haley. I don't have OCD and yet even I would have a lot of difficulty with exposure therapy, as it is so counter-intuitive to basic cleanliness. Therefore my respect and admiration for you and others waging this battle is absolute. I wish you a productive and triumphant time at college.
I love this little world of British panel shows and comedians I've stumbled upon, and this was a very nice watch after getting to know Jon Richardson on 8 out of 10 cats. As an American I feel like all these panel show comedians exist in a tiny bubble, and I wonder if they're aware of the American stand-up scene. What I'm getting at is that Jon Richardson should totally check out Maria Bamford's work. "Would it be better if we called them goblins?"
I've always wondered if people over the pond know much about our comedians. Glad to know they're appreciated
@@fauxparr The airwaves over here are just too depressing to turn on anymore, binge watching British panel shows has been one of the few things keeping me sane.
Oh ye they are their own genre of comedy over here. People ask "Do you like British comedy" you English just see it as "comedy" I'm sure but its very different than American Comedy.
Compare and Contrast Joe Rogan and Jimmy Carr. You guys also allow some weirder shit in your comedy, Noel Fielding comes to mind. I really dont think Americans have an equivalent or could handle one.
Not to say Americans can stand irrational irreverent comedy but....Noel Fielding....I dont know how to describe him other than weird. Hes the human equivalent to "Thats funny" "funny 'haha?'" "No funny strange"
I'd like to thank Jon for doing this brave, moving doc. I don't have OCD, but I am glad that I understand it more now. I just hope I can laugh at Jon's material without feeling guilty now!
Brilliant documentary. Humbling and inspiring at the same time. Many thanks Jon, and all of the people involved.
More people should see this film.
only showing up in my feed, now, 2022!
26:16 "They are my choice, and it makes me nervous that that might change" I felt that one.
Interesting and emotional. I just found this video while searching for Jon's standup videos but I'm glad I watched it. Thanks for the upload.
I was quite a bit like this when I was younger, around the age of 11, 12, 13 ...I remember lots of symmetry problems, order, balance etc..all the behavior in this documentary is familiar to me in my memory, I did most of it, but it was never destructive, and i could always break myself of it, eventually it went away, but my nerves remember it.
I feel really sad for the people who have severe OCD. It's clearly an anxiety disorder, and it must be crippling. :(
Some of those compulsions seem almost like a stutter in an action other than talking.
I never thought about that. Stuttering for me is also brought about with stress. Wow, you are insightful.
They don't cause him distress, yet he slept in his car because he couldn't deal with the mess? I know he said it was worse years ago, but it's ups and downs. I don't know, I wonder if he let the doctor know that part.
Probably didn't, but it's clinically significant as a behavioural response to the situation.
also coz he felt his friends hated him and thought he was crazy
It seems a bit weird to me in a way, because someone could have serious compulsions quite regularly, but be in a situation where they are able to manage it, like not having to go out or living with a parent who goes with it. So it's a serious problem in their life but doesn't cause the 'necessary level of distress'. I know it's quite similar with a number of other disorders, one of the main deciding factors is just how it bothers you. And some people could say "In a way enacting the compulsions calms me a little bit, so not as much distress".
Anyway, this is something that's bothered me for quite a long time since my journey trying to gain an understanding of what I have.
my dad has OCD so ive always been really sensitive about jokes about it so it's really nice to see stuff like that really analyze the disorder and show people that it isnt funny, it can be genuinely upsetting, john truly is doing the lord's work
This makes me want to cry. I hope that therapists are really exploring all the treatment options; i don't know what meds really are working- and of course there are all the side effects. I hope these people find freedom and peace.
This was so beautiful and gentle. Zero exploitation or sensationalism.
I have a friend with fairly severe OCD and he gets tremendous relief from counseling, an antidepressant and Ativan for panic attacks brought on by overwhelming compulsions and his only regret is that he didn't get help earlier. I feel honored that he feels comfortable confiding in me and he recently told me that I was the one who convinced him to seek the help of a professional because I suffer from sever panic disorder and depression and am very open about it and my mental health in general as I've dealt with it for most of my life.
It’s good to know that you are out there for people like your friend :)
Just came across this video randomly and your comment and something made me want to acknowledge your post :)
Hope you and your friend are doing well
Kudos to you for caring for your friend even while waging your own battles.
This guy’s got some balls putting his most personal struggles out there. Respect
Obsessive Compulsive Order ... actually - that is a very interesting notion. For those who end up getting an OCD diagnosis, there does seem to be a rational basis at first for the way they do things and we can see that from the people Jon met in this programme. But then something happens - some sort of stressor - and the sense of order that Jon has in this OCO notion just goes out of the window. And then the shit really hits the fan, it seems.
Excellent documentary.
Thank you for posting it!
I love you, Jon! Thank you for being so vulnerable and bringing light to a 'not-so-funny' condition.
Brilliant! What a treat, thank you ever so for uploading!
This was a fantastic show. Thanks Jon
Thank you so much for doing this, Jon. As a man in his late 40s, I know I have a problem, but don't have the courage (for lack of a better word) to face it and get help. I've been like this for as long as I can remember. My wife and kid sometimes look at me with a bewildered look that just breaks my heart and I just don't know how to explain it. You've helped me so much. Again, thank you. You're a LEGEND!
Perhaps sharing this with them, if you haven’t done so already, would help them to understand what life is like for you, and why what you do feels so important to you.
Your family sound like they may get a lot out of something like this. You describe them as bewildered, perhaps lacking a comprehension of the realities of OCD. They may find this to be a way to connect to what’s actually happening. Hopefully that could lead to more connection with you.
@@graciep.6984 you're absolutely right! Communication is key. I did share this video with my wife 2 nights after my comment and we had a long chat. Not saying everything is peachy now, but now I get a sort of "Is this your OCD showing up? It's alright, love" kind of look. I can honestly say that it was such a relief to share this with her. She's working on processing the information and I've seriously started to think about seeking professional help. Cheers!
I was very moved by your comment.
Can you not tell your wife the problem you have that seems to upset or has frustrated her most, and together, face the challenge? I can't make a suggestion, because I don't know your sticking points.
Can you not give yourself a challenge to do something, to stop your wife from crying? It might not be crying at your challenge, but it might be from sadness at not understanding.
Maybe it is putting your hands in dishwashing water? Face it once, twice, three or 4 times a day. Maybe put your hands in the water to hold her hand?
Can you not spend a lot of time learning about the extraordinary airborne things that HELP us?
You know that children raised with kittens/cats - and litter trays, with puppies and dogs who shed hairs, roll in cow poo, if they find it, or lick their bottoms, are LESS LIKELY to get asthma?
Did you know that some research has found that people who get tapeworms often have much less problems with really bad ecxma? It is said that the tapeworm somehow puts out a generalised soothing in the body, to have a happy life. It really is fascinating.
Not all things floating about are bad - don't forget Fleming's penicillin, that came in through an open window...
Hope you have progressed. I see your comment is a year old, now.
@@georgielancaster1356 Hi! Yes, things are better. I had a long conversation with my family AND even sought professional help; something I thought I would have never done. Also, I joined a support group a few months ago. There are good days and bad days. Fortunately, today is a good day. Thanks for reaching out.
It was amazing to see Jon in that way. So understanding and respectful and supportive. Truly like him as a good and genuine man who has problems and difficulties like all of us.
This is an incredibly well done program. I discovered Jon through 8 out of 10 cats on you tube. I'm in the US. This work has given me a whole new outlook on Jon and OCD itself. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you, that was one of the most beneficial things on the telly. Jon you faced a demon in doing this for the help of others. You are a star. Many thanks indeed for all the self-exposure you had to face in making this to benefit others. Oh and your Mum is very cool. You are lucky to have her. Cheers
Mr Richardson, this was a respectful and impactful interesting work you’ve put together. Thank you.
Excellent. Jon is such a respectful person.
This is worthwhile TV. Thank you!
amazing!! thank you very much for this Jon!!
Jon Richardson - Brave Soul - an inspiration to us all.
Thanks for sharing...
This is a really wonderful documentary. I find Jon Richardson to be a genuinely inspiring man.
Excellent. I watched , and at certain junctures...., re-watched parts of this excellent video. Very educational to so many people! Thanks, Mr. Jon Richardson! Would love to meet you one day! Lot's of love from the USA!
Thank you for this.
Jon, thank you for this worthwhile exploration. Thanks to your attention - and your celebrity - I think you've opened a door to a world we seldom see (outside of the jokes made about it.) I hope that all the people who need some help will be able to get it, and most of all that they will be shown love and tolerance that makes life livable.
Thank you for this Jon. Sensitively presented.
A really good and respectful documentary. Love u Jon
The thing with OCD is that like the other anxiety disorders is that symptoms aren't always the same and quite often merge together with other anxiety disorder symptoms to create an abomination of an anxiety disorder specific to that person.
Perfectly put
I came to Jon and the whole BBC, QI comedy/nerd world through No Such Thing As a Fish, early pandemic. So many wonderful folks involved - even Jimmy Carr? - but this piece is really extraordinary - heartbreaking and so brave of Jon to do this. Kudos!
One of the most interesting videos I've seen in awhile. I knew I had an issue with control in my 20s. After an incident where I was court ordered to see someone for anger and several meetings I started to try to change little things. 40 years later I still have little quirks but stopping these habits is never ending but achievable. Good luck.
The guy that killed himself was extremely sad
Benito Mussolini His mother saying she would rather not have been born ... heartbreaking
Eye opening. Thoughtful and caring story. Well done Jon.
Great bloke - funny, genuine and charming. The world needs more nice guys like Jon.
OCO what a beautiful take-away! Thank you!
I've had OCD my entire life and was diagnosed at 13 when it got so bad I felt like I couldn't function. This is one of maybe three times I've ever felt like someone understands the way I see the world.
I hope you know that many of us do understand.
@@skylinerunner1695 thank you, this means a lot❤❤❤
@@jl5749 It''s good to hear back from you. Thank you for reaching out. I hope you're feeling good as we move into spring.
Very interesting documentary. Thanks for explaining this stuff to me. Very brave.
I didn't know this existed! Thank you for posting this. I love these things
Wonderful and insightful!!
i dont have OCD or any disorder but johns a boss and this was a great watch . thanks for the upload
This made me cry a lot. Poor Jon has had a very painful life and I didn't realise just how bad it was. Shame such bad things happen so such lovely blokes.
This was fascinating to watch.
I've got some of the same things. I COMPLETELY understood the sidewalk stuff and germs and ... others.
I never noticed that it got worse as my anxiety grew. That's something I'm going to keep an eye on.
I notice that some of my compulsions have grown over time but my skill level for dealing with stress has too..... maybe there's something to that.
I’m most impressed with your candidness. It is so hard to “come out” with a problem like yours. I hope your self awareness has changed with respect to your OCD. 😁👍🏻🇦🇺
I also got the thoughts about walking, cushions, table/food positioning and keeping margarine or ice-cream even in the box, but my room is a total chaos, yet it is a chaos where I want things to stay exactly where I've thrown them.
Very interesting and informative video, and it was quite a pleasure to see this other side of Jon. Thank you for posting
Wonderful program
Hey Evan how are you Doc?
I really appreciate this kind of content! Too many people say things like "omg I'm Sooo OCD about that!"
Lovely thank you 😊 John 😊 thank you
Such an important subject - very well covered. I hope more will come in the future.
So brave of Jon to do this, I have different problems but understand how debilitating this is. Thank you for this.
Thank you 😊
This really opened my eyes to what OCD really is about, beyond the pop culture jokes. Jon treats the people he meets with such respect, which I reckon they don't often get. All while also worrying about what he's learning could mean for him. Very well done. Stumbled on it because of watching 8oo10c videos, glad I clicked.
Simply amazing.
This made me cry...its hard to understand how we can put ourselves through this type of behavior which isolates people in the worst case scenario. I love the fact that Jon is so concerned for others and himself...he seems like such a good person.
“I would have rather not been born, than have my son die like that.” That shit brought me to tears
This was very interesting and good to watch. I'm so happy that I can only call myself a perfectionist, but being able to let all things side off as well. That i just can turn that part of my brain off for a bit when it's necessary.
I'm really glad Jon made such a good and clear program about this!
So interesting! I learned quite a lot.
Eye opening - thanx jon
In Second Brain Psychology, OCD is always considered a sign of psycho-emotional conflict or trauma which starts in childhood and which can surface later due to triggering situations. It can be cured by reprocessing the experiences that caused it.
Thank you Jon, I had no idea ocd could be this serious. Best of luck!
There is such a thing as OCPD (obsessive compulsive personality disorder) in which you have intrusive rules, fixations, and an inability to delegate among some others. It just isn't quite as severe as OCD.
That's what Jon's Wikipedia article says he has
Yes, a real rigidity that heightens when life becomes stressful.
well done and thanks for you. be very proud
This was a mind blowing video. I am really glad that I am a messy, disorganized person. I also adore Jon....and hope he can keep his mild symptoms as they are.
Very informative!