It's the 3rd time I'm watching this video and have shared it with a few close friends. It's the most in depth and *real* account/analysis I've watched anywhere. I'm finding it very therapeutic and feel lucky to have the life and tools I have. Thanks again, man!
This is an excellently made piece of film, and shows just how incredibly unchanging this world really can be, and is, & very well done information on the band themselves. Thank you sir.
Thank you. Means a lot when people say nice things. That's exactly the point I was going for. These spaces have always existed and one of the main acheivements of the band was evoking them. It was a break from rockist traditionalism. I promise there's an episode coming dealing with alienation.
Thank you so much. I kind of worked out after making it that perhaps it was therapy. That's in the spirit of the band and the label I suppose. More to come on Joy Division. I really enjoy using them as a lens to look at different aspects of life.
@@MusicEnthuZone Cheers! When I was in high school in '86-'87 and first heard "Unknown Pleasures" and "Closer" (after already being into New Order) such a deep impression was made, visually, from emotions felt through understanding Ian's lyrics - every time I played the albums. They are like storybooks to me, each to be played from beginning to end. I love most music and have heard many types through the years but no such experience has ever come close, cutting me to the core as this has.
I used to get this thing that's unofficially called Alice in wonderland syndrome, quite often as a kid especially if I was ill and might've had a temperature. Turns out it might have been small seizures. They think the author of Alice in wonderland, Lewis Carroll, might've been having these kinds of episodes as well, which might have inspired the book, hence the name "Alice in wonderland syndrome" Counter to what's said about listening to Joy Division with poor mental health, I think if anything it helps me because it encapsulates my feelings and life experiences a bit. Sometimes when I'm down I like to watch movies with that theme you talk about too, example Terminator and T2, I was always captivated by those scenes filmed inside the mental hospital where everything kind of has a bit of a blue tint for night time scenes with the long hallways, fluoro lights, bars everywhere and hard polished floors. Damn that was a well made movie. Alice in wonderland felt kind of like a night terror where it would feel as though my limbs and basically my whole body was huge and chunky, not like it I touched one hand with the other, more in the sense that when you focus on how one part of your body feels, you get an idea of it's size without having to look at it or feel it with another body part, you just know it's there. For me it would feel like my hand was blowing up like a balloon, or some other sensation of becoming really big, too big for the room or tiny small, like I was a speck in this huge bed.
That's really interesting. I assume they're just a memory now and you haven't had them for a long time. Totally makes sense Lewis Carroll being influenced by something of that ilk 'One pill makes you smaller' etc. I actually agree on the whole 'depressing music' thing (sometimes dystopian stuff can be a kind of 'flooding' therapy that helps). To err on the side of doing as little harm as possible I thought it best to add a reminder that it might not be the best sometimes.
Too right. And one that's far too familiar to too many of us. I know now that writing and making this video was my version of therapy. I think it helped and hope it does other people.
Hi, I have been a JD fan since 1980 and am really enjoying watching these videos. Not everything has been said on the matter.. One important point in IC's psyche is his fascination for short term strategies, as is well adressed in the film 24 hour party people. .Curtis did theorize great art is the privilege of the youth, an opinion we are not obliged to agree with, and subsequently went riding a dangerous horse. . Yet he paid the price for achieving such a fame. A price none of the many imitations his demise triggered ever dared to pay of course.
You're hitting on a theme I'm working on for an upcoming video. I think the short term strategy mindset is bound up with that romantic rock and roll ideal. Jim Morrison didn't have a pension plan, and I think Curtis idealised that sort of mindset. As for great art being the preserve of the young I think that probably was true, at least in rock, then. But that's probably to do with the audience. Nowadays old farts are happy to listen to fellows. But then music was of the youth and there's a whole bundle of values there. Thanks for commenting.
@@MusicEnthuZone Great. I will watch the upcoming study with care. Truely, quite many should have gone to other projects rather than caricature themselves into commercial pop after a few dedicated original iterations, namely the Cure, Echo and the Bunnymen and some other disastrous corrupted attitudes. (i am myself involved in painting mainly, where the stakes are different. I also happen to know a bunch of musicians very tense in their works although they are closing to or have passed their 50.. Is music getting more mature nowadays? ) Keep up the good work, these videos are very informative. I happen to share the same taste of being a Can dedicated fan --and krautrock in general .. all people who have very well done in their maturity, too.
Yeah. I think you're right. To be honest I could do with a team of people. Currently working on breaking things into chunks so expect upcoming vids to be a bit less wordy.
It's actually useful because there's very few people I know who actually give anything other than encouragement, which is lovely but not actually that helpful.
It's the 3rd time I'm watching this video and have shared it with a few close friends. It's the most in depth and *real* account/analysis I've watched anywhere. I'm finding it very therapeutic and feel lucky to have the life and tools I have. Thanks again, man!
Thank you so much. I'm just writing up an episode on their musical influences. I'll try and keep it deep.
I just discover this channel. Great work I subscribe and directly share. 👍.
Thank you so much for your support.
@@MusicEnthuZone With pleasure.
This is an excellently made piece of film, and shows just how incredibly unchanging this world really can be, and is, & very well done information on the band themselves. Thank you sir.
Thank you. Means a lot when people say nice things. That's exactly the point I was going for. These spaces have always existed and one of the main acheivements of the band was evoking them. It was a break from rockist traditionalism.
I promise there's an episode coming dealing with alienation.
This is such a great examination of Joy Division's sound and mystique, for me - connections being made. Thank you!
Thank you so much. I kind of worked out after making it that perhaps it was therapy. That's in the spirit of the band and the label I suppose.
More to come on Joy Division. I really enjoy using them as a lens to look at different aspects of life.
@@MusicEnthuZone Cheers! When I was in high school in '86-'87 and first heard "Unknown Pleasures" and "Closer" (after already being into New Order) such a deep impression was made, visually, from emotions felt through understanding Ian's lyrics - every time I played the albums. They are like storybooks to me, each to be played from beginning to end.
I love most music and have heard many types through the years but no such experience has ever come close, cutting me to the core as this has.
I used to get this thing that's unofficially called Alice in wonderland syndrome, quite often as a kid especially if I was ill and might've had a temperature. Turns out it might have been small seizures. They think the author of Alice in wonderland, Lewis Carroll, might've been having these kinds of episodes as well, which might have inspired the book, hence the name "Alice in wonderland syndrome"
Counter to what's said about listening to Joy Division with poor mental health, I think if anything it helps me because it encapsulates my feelings and life experiences a bit. Sometimes when I'm down I like to watch movies with that theme you talk about too, example Terminator and T2, I was always captivated by those scenes filmed inside the mental hospital where everything kind of has a bit of a blue tint for night time scenes with the long hallways, fluoro lights, bars everywhere and hard polished floors. Damn that was a well made movie.
Alice in wonderland felt kind of like a night terror where it would feel as though my limbs and basically my whole body was huge and chunky, not like it I touched one hand with the other, more in the sense that when you focus on how one part of your body feels, you get an idea of it's size without having to look at it or feel it with another body part, you just know it's there. For me it would feel like my hand was blowing up like a balloon, or some other sensation of becoming really big, too big for the room or tiny small, like I was a speck in this huge bed.
That's really interesting. I assume they're just a memory now and you haven't had them for a long time. Totally makes sense Lewis Carroll being influenced by something of that ilk 'One pill makes you smaller' etc.
I actually agree on the whole 'depressing music' thing (sometimes dystopian stuff can be a kind of 'flooding' therapy that helps). To err on the side of doing as little harm as possible I thought it best to add a reminder that it might not be the best sometimes.
Good insight into the psychology of environment on artistic output...
I had that feelings when I got strong fevers, felt like a was floating and when I closed my eyes to try to sleeps its was like being high on acid
This is amazing. Thank you so much!
So nice when people get it. Thanks for the kind comment. More of this kind of thing coming up.
I really like the spacey sound of the band
these videos are excellent
Thankyou and take care.
Depression IS a Liminal Space.
Too right. And one that's far too familiar to too many of us. I know now that writing and making this video was my version of therapy. I think it helped and hope it does other people.
14:33 All those lights, flashing on and off, had to really mess with his condition
It must have. Almost a text book 'what not to do' poor lad.
Hi,
I have been a JD fan since 1980 and am really enjoying watching these videos. Not everything has been said on the matter.. One important point in IC's psyche is his fascination for short term strategies, as is well adressed in the film 24 hour party people. .Curtis did theorize great art is the privilege of the youth, an opinion we are not obliged to agree with, and subsequently went riding a dangerous horse. . Yet he paid the price for achieving such a fame. A price none of the many imitations his demise triggered ever dared to pay of course.
You're hitting on a theme I'm working on for an upcoming video. I think the short term strategy mindset is bound up with that romantic rock and roll ideal. Jim Morrison didn't have a pension plan, and I think Curtis idealised that sort of mindset.
As for great art being the preserve of the young I think that probably was true, at least in rock, then.
But that's probably to do with the audience. Nowadays old farts are happy to listen to fellows.
But then music was of the youth and there's a whole bundle of values there.
Thanks for commenting.
@@MusicEnthuZone
Great. I will watch the upcoming study with care. Truely, quite many should have gone to other projects rather than caricature themselves into commercial pop after a few dedicated original iterations, namely the Cure, Echo and the Bunnymen and some other disastrous corrupted attitudes.
(i am myself involved in painting mainly, where the stakes are different. I also happen to know a bunch of musicians very tense in their works although they are closing to or have passed their 50.. Is music getting more mature nowadays? )
Keep up the good work, these videos are very informative. I happen to share the same taste of being a Can dedicated fan --and krautrock in general .. all people who have very well done in their maturity, too.
Wow! Watching your video right now. You seem to be somewhat of an analyzer and a poet. It's great stuff. You caught Joy Division by the balls.
You're really too kind. I try. More analytical stuff coming soon. Widening the subject matter too.
again, fantastic!
Thankyou. Hope the New Year treats you well.
Fair play for the Tony Wilson quote.
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing🙏
You are totally welcome. My pleasure.
Interesting topic but need to tighten things up/edit.
Yeah. I think you're right. To be honest I could do with a team of people. Currently working on breaking things into chunks so expect upcoming vids to be a bit less wordy.
@@MusicEnthuZone Hey, you’re doing great! And we appreciate the deep dive content. It was just a bit of constructive feedback. Thanks so much!!
It's actually useful because there's very few people I know who actually give anything other than encouragement, which is lovely but not actually that helpful.
i see what you're doing with the lyrics and song names...
Covid messed me up... and I never even got it.