How to make your Tama Speed & Iron Cobra pedals faster.
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2013
- This is a quick video on how to clean, lubricate, and maintain your Tama Speed Cobra & Tama Iron Cobra pedals, which will keep them fast and keep them feeling factory new. This demonstration shows how to properly service both the single and double (twin) versions of Tama's high end bass drum pedals.
I'm a gigging drummer, and I noticed after about 6 months of steady playing with my Speed Cobras, that they seemed a little sluggish. They definitely weren't as fast as when I first got them. I learned that like the rest of your drum gear, you have to keep up on the maintenance on your pedals to get the most out of them.
This video will show you the quick and easy way to disassemble, clean, lubricate, and reassemble your newer Tama single and double bass drum pedals to keep them running smooth and fast. I recommend doing this maintenance routine every 3 months to keep your pedals playing at their optimum level. I hope this helps and thanks for watching!
Probably the best videos I've seen on this in terms of dismantling the pedal, cleaning & reassembly as well as being applicable to the Iron Cobra's - at least the 900 something or other ones. I just took mine apart recently to clean and apply lubrication, as well as putting the rolling cams on. There's a lot of screws and small parts to keep track of but otherwise fairly easy to do.
There was a comment questioning the point of cleaning/lubricating - in 8yrs I've done it twice, dust and other tiny particles eventually find their way in, lubricant won't last decades either. Dust etc becomes trapped within the lube which increases friction and degrades the lubricant over time - might be much but it's enough that after cleaning etc the difference is there.
I did this today step by step, the squeaking is totally gone. very helpful, thanks!
Great video, thanks for taking the time to create!
Thanks Mark, I appreciate the positive feedback.
Great video man i'm definitely going to try this out today.
Go to your local skate board shop and buy the fastest bearings they have in your budget and put them in your pedal they are the same size
matt grizzle ceramic bones are great!!!!
I'd got for bones reds. I have bones swiss on my board. Any okay bearing will be smooth and fast. Once you start to get up to the high end bearings it would be a waste for your pedal. They're made for pro skaters (typically long boarders) that go like 130km down a hill. They're made to withstand the speed and not wear away. Bones ceramics are especially made for That, ceramic bearing balls wear away a lot slower than steel bearing balls. I have reds on one of my other boards as well and they're fine. I havnt tried them on my pedal yet though, but they've got rubber shields so you can lube them up easier. Also for lubes I'd go for oust because bones and ionic flux are very thick lubes. They take a while to warm up and set themselves into the bearing, it would take ages for them to set in on a pedal. Oust is thinner and works well for bearings.
Go for Ninja bearings if you’re doing that. The Ninjas are used on the Demon chain and demon drive pedals, so you know they’ll be smooth
Lol Tama bearings are much better than Pearl.
That ninja shit is bullshit
@@Abandoned978
Thanks DrumstickSteve! I'm glad you liked it.
I just got a set of speed cobras double pedal there so good i love them thanks for info
When I used to skate I used to take the bearings off my deck and boil them on the stove in water then re-lube them and put them back in the wheels and then put the wheels back on the trucks. We would spin the wheels after boiling and re-lubing them and they would spin far longer than before. Faster quieter and longer duration of spin. We used GMS bearings and when you boiled them some gunk would boil out into the water.
Appreciate you trying to help people but your actually ruining the pedal. Those are sealed bearings. That lube your spraying on them is getting into the bearing housing and actually removing the grease that’s inside from the factory. All u can do with sealed bearings is replace them but those are very high end bearings that come with this pedal so their lifespan is very long.
Cleaning up around the bearings and race’s is fine and even spraying a very small amount of chain lube is fine too but what you just showed people in regards to the bearings will cut their lifespan down dramatically.
I don't really have any problems with my Speed Cobras, but after lubricating everything up, the slave pedal became noticeably smoother! I sometimes use my left foot as the lead foot, that's why the smoothness of the slave pedal is very important to me.
I used a Tama Tune-Up Oil, which i recommend because it's super cheap and it's less "messier" than the oil that you are using.
Thanks A LOT man! Really appreciate it! :D
I have the same pedal for 7 years, since your video was new. Never tried to dismount it. But I could try that now, I think it's time for some cleaning! :P
I've done it!!!! Damn smooth!
You're welcome... they are phenomenal pedals!
Just got one of these today. Wow they are awesome. I chose them over the dw9000. Mainly because you can't feel these on your feet while playing. The dw 9000 was really good and I loves the response. But they both had their pros and cons. It was a hard decision. Both had their strengths and weaknesses. Too choose between the two is hard.
In the manual it says the bearings are lube free by design...
Nice video. I'm gonna do the same thing on my Iron Cobra double pedal and I'll let you know how it turns out. I've had it since 2005 and I've never cleaned it or lubricated it. I can feel a resistance so cross your fingers this helps.
I'm to scary to disassemble my speed cobra :X Great Job !!
Gracias importspd....por tu video de mantenimiento.
I had a rough squeak in my left pedal for years and I kept oiling it with the good stuff but it was no use. Finally took the whole thing apart and my lefty works great! Should have done this 4 years ago
So you were oiling the slave bearings without taking them apart? I'm trying to get rid of squeak in my slave pedal!
@@oskillah Yeah just do what this guy does and you'll be pretty good!
Thank you! It's a great idea to lube the chain as well. I just give it a very light amount of oil / lube because it tends to collect a lot of dirt, debris, and drumstick chips when it's over-oiled.
hey man thanks for the awesome video. What do you think about lubricating the chain ? Is it a logical thing to do ?
Great video. Thanks for posting.
Hi! I have two kinds of lubricants
Dry Lube(super-slip silicone lubricant) and
Maintenance Spray (and water repellent)
Which one should I use?
awesome! I did this on my iron cobra 200 series and am considering upgrading the bearings as I've had 'em for quite a while.. however.. I cant get access to the floating bearing on the slave (far side) as it requires an Allan key. I used to correct size Allan key but it was so tight it rounded off, so I am unable to get access into the bearing unfortunately.. any suggestions? I don't want to upgrade all the other bearings and not that one as it could cause further damage..
I didn't know that Tama had their own oil... thanks for the info man! I'll be using that next time!
Lubrifier les roulement quoi ! tout une video pour ça ^^
After watching this I'm wondering if I can change the right twin pedal to a lefty
Unlike Yamaha, they made a pedal that you can open. That's cool ! Can't wait to have mine !
3 in 1's silicone oil in the yellow can works great
I rock Teflon bike lube..I am a Cyclist also haha! Super Vid man!
What about the linkage?
My pedal runs smooth, but the linkage recently became a bit stiff.
I can barely notice it while playing, but during take down and set up I can see the problem, and I'm worried it's going to fail.
Great advice and definitely needed some help with my Cobras as far as maintenance goes. Can I use a teflon spray lube versus the metal protector spray you were using?
I don't see why not, I know that pro-bikers use a Teflon based lube for their chains. To be safe I would always go with the recommended lubricant, but anything is better that nothing!
i have my iron cobras for maybe 7 years, never disassembled them like you did. i used wd-40 for some visible bearings, especially the connector shaft. Was wd-40 a bad choice?
I guess i have the old version of the pedal.. My shaft assembly was not made the same way as yours..
And i have noticed on my pedal, that on the left beater is uneven and wobbly? I don't know if that is an issue with yours but for me it's irritating me..
btw anyway great video! made my pedals roll smooth again
how often should I crack everything open in a relatively clean environment?
Nice tutorial!! Do you know where I can obtain that tiny phillips head screw that holds the HP9S - Speedo Ring halves together? Mine came out and to order a new one is $25 + $9.99 for shipping - basically for a tiny screw!! Do you happen to know the size of that screw?
Help! I took my pedals apart and can't figure out how to get them back together again!
Nice video man, thanks alot. I have Speed Cobras myself and I was wondering whether it is possible to somehow mount the left beater (you take it of at 5:20) to the left pedal, in order to play two seperate bass drums without having to buy another single pedal. What do you think?
I did this with mine and you have to buy extra parts. Yo have to buy the Para Clamp so it will actually attatch to the bass drum hoop. Then you have to buy the cam shaft that the beater will actually fit into. It's really a pain in the butt to do this! You're better off having 2 seperate pedals, trust me!
drumfanatik316 Thanks for the tip man!
Yea, I agree with drumfanatik316. It is possible, however, the time and expense to do it just doesn't seem worth while when you can buy a single pedal right now for $150.00.
thanks, thanks, thanks
I’ve had problems with my slave pedal not rebounding and being as springy as the master pedal even though I have the beater height, beater angle, and spring tension all setup the same. I was thinking that disassembling the pedals and cleaning/relubricating would be the only way to get them to feel the same. I hope this works
Change the slave tension and use a pull test to see if they bounce together. I like to push the beaters to the bass drum and then release at the same time. You're not going to have them completely bounce consistently together. What are looking for is to get as many as possible. If you can get three or four NSYNC that's good start. Just keep adjusting the best that you can.
hey dude im not a big guy and i wanna play some fast double bass, like dream theater(he uses these pedals)..but for some reason i feel that the pedals are just too heavy....any tips? thanks :) (btw i have the iron cobras)
How do you adjust the beater angle
How do you do it with the iron cobras?
I would first soak them in a parts cleaner solution, and then soak them in a lubricant to make sure that they are completely lubricated before reinstalling them on your pedals.
Why would you lubricate a sealed bearing? The "grime" your lubricant is "cleaning" is actually grease that's packed into the bearing. Your better off just replacing the bearings.
You're wrong, dust makes it inside -even if they're sealed. You can get away without cleaning, but this video is about making them "faster"
To properly re-grease sealed bearings, first flush the old grease with WD-40 (which is the only correct use for that stuff) Then dunk them in some IPA for a few hours. After drying them, use a penetrating spray grease.
what if my bearings are full of rust? How do I clean them?
Can I use Tri-Flow?
which springs are those?
what is the type of the bearing?
did you notice a big different after cleaning them?
Good tutorial friend, but spring you placed them? these are not the original ???
No, those are the heavy duty IC springs on there.
one thing should be kept in mind i have the pearl 2002 classaic eliminator it came with the chain i converted it to the demon drive direct bolt on no mods needed i find a dry bearing is faster and im using full ceramic bearing blowes ninja out the water again i find lube on bearings steel bearings stock bearings are slow wit lube ceramic needs no lube
here is my pedal problem:
made a video of it right here.
tama speed cobra problem, normal??
Hi guys, finaly got a double speedcobra.
BUT have a problem may you can help me.
the slaver beater breaks a litle the function and sits a bit loose on the center / axis just to the right and left, not for/back work.
so please check yours, wana know it is normal or may got a series that was not good handle.
otherway works very good.
what can i do to work the slave pedal like the master pedal.
slave breaks befor master pedal
thanks for feedback
fixed it? same here
Hey!
I'm in urgent need of some advice on my iron cobra double pedal!
On the master pedal the bridge can not be separated into two because the two sides of the brige is under the slave beater holder, and it won't separate. The biggest problem is that the slave pedal holder is somewhat held in place by the linkage of the brige's two sides. can't figure out how to remove it... or separate the bridge into two. Can some1 help me? That would be awesome!
The main reason I need that... is that i want my regular double pedal to act as a lefty double pedal.
On my previus IC I could do what you just did on the video ,I had no problem inverting the whole mechanism, but on this, I can't. Any suggestions?
Markovicsable It may be because you have an older version Iron Cobra. I believe some of the older models don't have the ability to be taken apart like the newer ones. Some of the cheaper versions of the IC's are built that way too. Is it a new or older pedal?
importspd
It's a newer model. It's an HP900PSW. So I don't think that is the case. Some1 told me that the berings are just stuck... i need to hammer them a bit with a light wood hammer so they would come loose. on both sides... and in the middle where the master and the slave part link.
Is that possible?
Markovicsable
www.tamadrum.co.jp/world/parts/hardware/page/HP900PSWFSW.html
Ok, I got that solved. Except the Speed Cobra I had to screw off the black plastic tightener near the middle on the shaft, than the 2 sides come separated. after that the whole inversion and reassembly took about 5 minutes.
I have an issue at where the left beater attaches to the driveshaft, it can shift left and right. The two part driveshaft doesn't feel solid when I put it back together. Anyone else experiencing this?
I have the same issue with my pedals. It's a pity to see a solid brand like Tama creating pedals with such major design flaws!
There is a screw inside the "capsule" with the black plastic ring in the center that you can tighten to make both parts of the drive shaft more solid.
The "speed-o-ring" (on both side) also need to be pushed in the direction of the beaters to stop the driveshaft to slide left/right.
that bearings are shielded and contains special grease when assembled, when slack should be replaced, which can put spray is in chains! Spray the bearing can take the special grease and decrease their useful life, embrace
The iron cobras are completely different to these !!!
Not entirely sure what lubricating the outside of the ball bearings will do.
sounds like all i would have to do is get some abec 9 skate bearings and throw them in a iron cobra and get the speed i want
sonofhorror1995 ceramics are better, my pedal is flying now
HI, can you help me, i have an iron cobra doble pedal, right and i want to make it lefty just to try my bass drum in other way in my drumkit, any idea hot to do it? it´s possible?.....any help i´ll aprecciatte tanx man!!!
sayde73, I don't think you can separate the pedals on either the speed or iron cobra models to use them individually.
importspd
Hi again, im not trying to use them separatly, i want to use it as i were lefty, just to put the slave pedal to de left side instead of right, any idea how to do it?..... tanx fro answer soon cheers
sayde73 it's might be possible, but that would be very difficult to set the standard IC or SC to leftly pedal. so that's why Tama produce the double pedal for lefly drummer. it's kinda like Dominic Howard's pedal, tho
afiev dewanta It's easy as pie to do that once u figure out the whole mechanism.
I did the inversion on my first right footed IC with no problem... on my second IC I had some issues but I got them solved the day after. You just had to unsrew the black plastic tightener on the middle of the shaft... after you took the whole shaft assembly off the bridge. and invert the whole mechanism.
They come with sealed bearings. Lubrication is not required. Except on the u joints.
What’s the U joint?
What about gun lube?
Mine didn't come with a spacer?
Daniel Mikesell thats fake
I can not get my 310 to function a full capacity and what I mean is I can't hit doubles easily on every stroke for whatever reason, I have adjusted this thing a million different ways and changed the beaters and I just don't like it..Also, i feel the beaters over extend when hitting the bass drum head, the base plate seems like it needs to come closer when mounting to the hoop... My 20-year-old Iron Cobra is a better pedal, super annoying..
I used WD-40 it worked great!
It works fine, just have to do it every 4 months instead of every 6 months. Lol. DW recommends three in one oil for there pedals.
Do not use WD-40. It is not meant to be a lubricant. It is water based and leaves a crusty residue. You need to use an oil or silicone based lubricant.
Gun lube is what is used by most looking for the best lube. It's basically a graphite/silicone replacement among replacement for all lubes. Wd40 more a cleaner than a lube. The hardware store doesn't sell it as gun lube but I'll say gun on the back.
I just did this with my iron cobras, but instead of re-lubricating the bearings, I replaced them with bones reds bearings for $10. They're much more responsive.
Cool Tapes Sounds like a worthwhile upgrade! Where did you get them, skate shop or online?
Cool Tapes i got ceramic bones for $40 but they flyyyyyyyy
@@edubatera72 your pedals doing great still??
mopo ucco yeap!!! I’m currently using Pearls demonators!!! They are very good and cheap!!! Add some Bones Ceramics and you’ll see!!!!
NOT the same as the Iron Cobra Power Glide. There is no metal bearing cover because the bearings are completely enclosed in the frame. You need to take both beaters off in order to gain access to them
Id be so fucking terrified bc i know my dumbass wouldnt be able to put that shit back together 😂
This video of me trying it for the first time might help with that particular anxiety haha ua-cam.com/video/Y_wcbkGgrjQ/v-deo.html
Bought it and hated it.
Just could not build any momentum : /
Went right back to an iron cobra 20th anniversary with strap not chain.
It takes some getting use to and you have to mess with the settings and give yourself time to adjust. I play using Speed Cobras after using Iron Cobras for over 10 years. Took me a little while to become adjusted to the feel, but now that I have, I'd never go back unless my speed cobras got stolen or somehow broke, I'd have to switch back to my Iron Cobras. These pedals are awesome, they just have a different feel than the Iron Cobras. I gain a ton of momentum with them.
OneSickDrummer I felt more tired after using speed cobras after just 10 minutes than I did using iron cobras for 3 hours.
But the 20th anniversary strap driven cobras are beautiful.
Steven Pounsett Well, it took me about a month of using the speed cobras a lot to get adjusted to them. The only real difference between the IC and the SC is the longer foot board on the SC. For me, it just took me a while to find the speed spot on the foot board, but now it gives me no trouble at all. I love the speed cobras, even after using the Iron Cobras for many years. Just takes some getting use to because the feel is different.
OneSickDrummer I just couldn't do it...
I got on them for a good hour tonight and my legs just refused.
Took me a month before I was adjusted. Oh well brotha, it's all up to personal preference. I mean, I also play with the springs as tight as they can get, which most people don't like, so maybe I'm just weird.
I did this to my speed cobra and now the pedal is way too smooth!!!!!! Even at highest tension, I can barely feel the pedal!!!! I don't like it!!!
I can imagine that feeling awesome dude
Dave mustaine
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That's some major surgery but I have to do it
With Bones Reds skateboard bearing is faster.
buy new ones. only way. can get them at a skate shop or online search of course.
I lost most of my left eyebrow because a spacer wasn't put in right. That stuff can work fine until some random moment it finds the exact parameters to run the error someone didn't see.
.... Don't worry it was an electric longboard. China man copied a board, slapped a cool design, did a good price and took advantage of the pandemic free money.
The dude (Chinese dude still) never really tested much like QA such be done, they were after market. But... Apparently not when it comes to wheels. He never tested it or designed it so whoever gave him the files (Chinese is full of companies that copies whatever kinda thing) maybe didn't care Idk. The spacer was too short and I believe something wasn't correct on the bearing either. I don't ride crazy so I do full padding with gloves, 300 helmet (legit worth it), elbows, knees, a jacked that is padded in the chest elbow and back. I think one wheel just randomly got too much pressure and I got insane speed wobble (wasn't going fast maybe 15 tops) I jumped off, did 4 long save jumps to just think "oh shit this is how it ends." blacked out, apparently I got up and rode my board home because I don't remember getting home. I don't remember getting up and all that. Impressive. But ugly scar. The left out parts can really get insane but nobody asked or cares for my story.
But yeah I like the speed cobra. Please don't mess up your spacers.
This won't make your pedal any faster because it doesn't change the level of skill you're at as a drummer. It will make the pedal feel smoother.
you might wanna change the tittle :3 -_-
your lighting is terrible. light from the front not the side. half the stuff i can't see properly due to shadows
uhm uhm
That ummm will ummmm expose... ummm... Gosh that is annoying.
Umm umm umm ummm
um um um cant watch
good video, but verry anoying that you say uhm ahh uhm like 2 million times
Speed cobra is lame. Can't adjust it.
Dyna sync is way better
Uhhh....Ummmm....Uhhh.....Ummmmm. Lol.
Actually to make that pedal faster it should tossed in a scrap bin and replaced with Trick pro v-1 bigfoots.
😁🙊 Tama speed cobra pedals are low end ...
For $400 more, I'd hope there's some benefit to the Tricks.
My Speedcobras have been solid, and I'm very happy with them.
If you're going to act that cocky about having big money to spend, why did you cheap out on the tricks instead of getting czarcie kopyto supremes?
@@mastertonberry9224 It's very difficult to get them in the US , and the waiting time is like a year...
really painful to listen to, consider speaking at faster than 4am in the morning speed