GM Ben Finegold's Unpopular Opinion on Cheating
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2022
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I get accused of cheating frequently because one would have to cheat to play the worst move possible so often. That takes skill.
dammit... I lol'd
Exactly, how would you know the worst move unless you were using an engine.
@@dannygjk That's why I always play the second worst move.
Imagine being 3000 in anti chess and 200 regular
I lose on turn 2 every time I play as white
“It may not be a compliment on your character, but Hans can’t really expect many of those anyway”… savage
'either by his admission, or his admission' finegold being the funniest person ever even when talking about unfunny things
It is a little funny
That was good but I prefered "not going to jail for cilantro"
I didn't get it... =[
@@mariogonzalez5513 Ben is saying the only way people will know Hans cheated is if he confesses. So if you're listing out the reasons, it's "he confesses, or..." we don't know, so "he confesses", because it's the only possibility (in Ben's opinion).
When friends asked me why I stopped playing over the board the answer is because I never played in a FIDE-rated tournament that had any anti-cheating measures in place. I have no idea why Finegold's opinion is unpopular and it actually feels like it's the most obvious way to handle things. Eventually cheating will define the game of chess if people keep treating like the elephant in the room; it needs to be in the limelight because if more isn't done to prevent cheating it could literally destroy this game.
I agree , it's human nature and it can only get worse.
It's easy to jam wireless communication. However a player can have a wired system installed on their body.
With military tech it's already impossible to stop. Sure there's not enough money in chess for such tools to possibly be used, but theoretically what's already possible is quite far beyond detection. But discussing the more realistic methods and stopping them is fir sure a must.
It's a cost issue mostly. You have to make the cheating more expensive than the security measures. It's a cat and mouse game. Even military tech where electronics made from titanium or undetectable alloys are used, or directed signals, quantum communication, etc have counter measures. But at the state secret level it would be a real mess. Those tools are used to scam things worth trillions or billions though not millions or thousands of dollars like in chess.
@@gregorymorse8423 I think cheating in chess is a lot like defecating: you can imagine plenty of very impressive ways of doing it but 95% of it is simply done on the toilet with a phone in hand. I once joked that a large EMP should be emitted every 2-5 seconds but in reality I'd have been happy with a few simple checks at the main entrance and then maybe in/out of the toilets. At a few big tournaments they had security checking bags for explosives (sometimes with sniffer dogs to boot) so why couldn't they check for phones while they're at it? Obviously high prize-money tournaments or prestigious invitationals like the Sinquefield Cup should have done more to prevent cheating from the start (not just after Round 3).
@@ExtraCheeseProject agreed. But imagine if two nation states decided to have a chess race for bragging and national pride. I'm just saying chess isn't prepared to deal with that. But that sort of drama stopped being used around 50 years ago. Mostly everything is money driven more than national conscious driven nowadays. Which is why I agree with you mostly. I think phone I toilet is too risky. I think signals from a spectator who is using a phone is more likely. Perfect plausible deniability.
I remember attending a Fide event in Singapore back in 2019. There were literally no safeguards in place. No metal detectors, no checks, no nothing. Sure, phones were "banned", but only at the "venue", which was an exhibition hall in a hotel. When you go to the bathrooms of the hotel, they literally don't check if you are using phones. I remember overhearing some kid talk to his mum on the phone and he said his game wasn't over. Sure it wasn't cheating or malicious, but the fact that phones could be used so easily means that OTB events held by fide is not at all free from cheating.
This event did have safeguards tho and metal detectors and body checks
that would be a brilliant PR stunt for Hans.. if he were to come out and admonish holders of tournaments for not executing sufficient measures of checking that people don't smuggle engines into the chess hall to ensure the indisputability of a player's achievement.. sort of spin himself as also the victim (if he didnt cheat)..
@@Kink-Panther obviously a tournament attended by world number 1 would be more strict than a competition in singapore attended by only ims but my point is that cheating otb is possible
@@Kink-Panther ....but you get to the good secure tournaments by cheating at the lax ones, right?
The important part is that you said fide should allow people to discuss possible cheating
It shouldn't allow baseless accusations. If people want to discuss about security measures fine, but if people accuse or insinuate cheating without proof they should receive punishment.
@@conelord1984 SNOWFLAKE
@@conelord1984 Okay so 'accuse without proof' is an oxymoron; if somebody has proof they will be 'reporting' somebody. Regardless, why should an accuser receive punishment? Sounds like you've got it a**-backward to me
@@conelord1984 I'm with Finegold on this actually. I think open honest discussion of suspicion is fine. I'm not suggesting that we would halt everything over an accusation, but we shouldn't bar people from voicing an accusation, suspicion, feeling, or whatever. I'm also not saying it's okay to baselessly accuse someone of cheating, yet I personally think it's wrong to threaten punishment for people who do so unless the behavior becomes abusive. What abusive means should not be given an exact definition. If the refs feel that it's too much they can take action. An example is where a player repeatedly accuses one or more players of cheating to the point that it becomes annoying. Is someone just happens to be a little paranoid and accuses another of cheating, let it be.
I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with this opinion. Clickbait title
I'm incredibly good at a couple meaningless video games and I get Ben's point. Being accused of 'hacking' or cheating is a compliment for me because I know I'm not cheating.
The difference is I'm not a professional and I don't make a living off it and so the accusations are meaningless. For Hans the accusations could end his career.
You mean like as meaningless as chess? Lol.
@@Hopefully2025 I guess you're right, honestly the games I was referring to pull way more viewers than any chess tournament and have way bigger prize pools lol
There were no accusations other than by random internet comments.
Everything else was just a discussion of their suspicioun. I really disagree that we should silence that kind of conversation.
His career ended when he cheated online. Carlsen does not take him serious, from the looks if it. To bad for Hans.
@@Satori.108Yeah but it's weird because they're now in another tournament together a week later... so if Hans beats Magnus again, is Magnus going to quit that tournament too?
Very suspicious
What is?
Magnus and Hans are missing a golden opportunity to have a pay per view match with each other. They would make millions.
Yeah and they can play in an electromagnetically shielded room. Both players also undergo a metal detector scan and x-ray body-scan before each game. That would do it.
Hans would be crushed.
If he cheated or not is irrelevant. Cause if he didnt cheat it was still a huuuge fluke.
@@danieljohansson839
It’s hardly a fluke in a one-off game. A rating difference of 200 points means an average score of 0.25:0.75. They also played in the crypto cup and Hans won one and lost three which is what you’d expect from their ratings. Magnus would be an overwhelming favorite in a match though since the probabilities multiply
@@stuarthys9879 You can't really compare ratings like that. Magnus hasn't lost as White in years in classical time control. So objectively it definitely looks like a fluke. But honestly, seeing some breakdowns of the game I think Magnus only had like 87 accuracy according to Stockfish so feels more like a bad game from him than a fluke game by Hans. I don't think Hans cheated, so I don't have any stake in this, just enjoying the drama and looking forward to the coming rematch.
@@Moldylocks
The statistics are reliable. If you look at Hans' results he has higher ratio of decisive games than the top players, so he's both more likely to win and more likely to lose. That's why he's more likely to beat Carlsen than other guys who just try to hold for a draw. I agree though Magnus didn't play very well. I'm rated about 2000 and the way Magnus played looked like someone around my rating whereas Hans played more like you'd expect from a GM. I guess he was just having a bad day, but I think it's ridiculous for people to conclude cheating was involved and I don't think it was fluke, just ordinary probably based on the player's styles and strengths.
Ben once accused me of cheating because on stream I suggested the same puzzle solution that he was thinking. It turns out our solution was a big advantage but the correct solution was a forced mate. To Ben's point, I took it as a great compliment!
I like that quote, "maybe he did cheat, I just don't think he did." I was waiting for the ULTIMATE plot twist when at the end of the tournament Hans and Magnus both come out in a joint statement how they orchestrated the whole thing and Magnus would be like this is why I am struggling with caring about chess, because this little nonsense where I never say he cheated or anything, and the whole chess world dissolves into accusations of vibrators and plugs.
Or if he makes a statement that he only did this to grow Ben Finegolds channel because his content was getting stale before this chess drama happened
Ayo
This is why I love you Ben: you're not afraid to express an unpopular opinion. And you backed up your view pretty well.
The combination of $$$ and internet gaming is a breeding ground for cheating. It's never going away.
Pandora unboxed
I don't get it, though. What's even interesting about being prompted by a computer? Especially if you are a strong player (IM or GM) yourself?
@@fundhund62 cheating online is to get to a higher rating with less effort to play against stronger opponent, real life probably for prize money
@@upisntdownsilly So much I figured. But why would one even want to get a higher rating without playing like it? Isn't playing chess about proving that your ideas and understanding of the game are better than your opponents? And isn't the fun becoming better by experience?
I still don't get it.
@@fundhund62 hes already good, although people dont talk about him that way since they literally only know like 5 top players and streamers, niemann is indeed top 50 in the world, and deserves to be recognised for that, he just cheated to get better opponents without needing to use his brain to get up there, also theres no proving in chess, its not an ego boost, its more of a 'the game is wonderful and im getting such meaningful and fulfilling moments from these big brain plays' and not 'omg i played so well i cant believe it lets go i can think better than my opponent'
There's another aspect to cheating that has not been discussed anywhere that I know of. When you suspect your opponent of cheating, it becomes a big distraction that can affect your game adversely. I think this happens quite a lot in US tournaments. In the Chicago Open, for example, players get up and walk around, go to the restroom, look at other games, joke around with their buddies, and come back whenever they want. (Cellphones are supposed to be turned off and not be taken into restrooms, but this is hard to enforce.) When a player comes back in a complicated position and plays an especially strong move that the player at the board did not see, the player at the board can be distracted for the rest of the game.
I guess you have to simply deal with it If you are a Professional chess player
@@ludomirsteinbruck9376 no you don't, you are a professional player but the game organisers are not professionals.
They obviously need to find a way to not allow cheating with harsher methods
At least phones must be enforced to stay in a room that a player can't reach before the game is over and if they really want to have a phone with them, they should have a dumbphone.
If your paranoia prevents you from thinking straight, as opposed to actual evidence or facts, then it's mainly your problem. You can easily suspect your every opponent of cheating with some anal beads or some ultrasound or some other ridiculous tricks, and no amount of security measures would calm those fears. You can always make up some more and more technically possible ways the other person could be cheating
@@NJ-wb1cz the guy wants everyone to play in some faraday cage crap or something lol
@@NJ-wb1cz Anal Beads has becoming very popular in the chess community lately...
"It may not be a compliment on your character, but Hans can't really expect those anyway" LMAO
Exactly, I was thinking about the same thing yesterday: if somebody would accuse me of cheating and I am not I would be flattered. No need to explain anything in postgame interviews as my chess would speak for itself.
the issue is not getting invited to tournaments because of the accusations
Pro tip for all cheaters out there, cheat 1 move per game and you will never be caught xD
Thanks, now I can lose in 11 instead of in 10 moves!
I always cheat on my first move
It doesn't work like that because you would not know what to do next
So if the computer says mate in six then you only play the first correct move and not the next five? 🤣
Wow, who knew you could have duplicate usernames on UA-cam!
Ben combines a ruthless intellectual logic with the funniest of wit. But above all he’s honest and I suspect incorruptible.
Best opinion I heard on this subject. So much emotional reaction everywhere else.
Asmr did a video on it you should check it out
The truth hurts
I remember when games would adjourn after a sealed move. Players would return to the hotel and go to work on the position with their team, then resume the game the next day after studying the position all night. Imagine that today?
The main thing is that Magnus is an alcoholic, and nobody talks about that.
are you serious about that? If so, what makes you think so?
Bruh he isnt an alcoholic
I have never won a single game of chess in my life. No-one has ever accused me of cheating.
Amen.
even though you were?
I thought my humor was dry, then I found my Finegold.
He's GM in Dad Jokes, that's for sure
@@Moldylocks Super-GM Benneth Finegold. The Myth, the man, the Legend.
i wonder how much hans' trash talking in interviews contributed to magnus' overreaction
An instructive opinion. The pressure is building on Carlsen to provide a proper explanation. Come on Carlsen-“your move”!
I’m really confused-more than usual-isn’t Hans playing in Magnus’ tour? BTW: totally agree with you about Magnus’ conduct. I looked down the list and saw Mamedhyarov and MVL and realized how brave they were to have subpar showings yet stick it out.
that would indicate that the actual reason magnus withdrew, rather than hans and the cheating background of his, is another one: could be the mole in his team leaking stuff.
Ben always with the best take
Thing I don't understand is that it's so unlike Magnus to do something like this, if he didn't have serious notions about cheating. Magnus has always been fair to his opponents and graceful even in defeat. I feel like either Magnus did this because he couldn't simply believe that such a low rated young player which already proved to play unfairly online could beat him OTB, while not having any assistance, or Hans actually found a way to cheat and Magnus picked up on it. If this was any other player other than Magnus making this statement it would have been ignored, but he has a long reputation of being a good samaritan in the chess world so his actions cannot simply be ignored.
I agree. Magnus has lost a lot of matches, and never done this. Why is that?
Ben to tell you the truth, I can't say I was ever a big fan of yours. However your words here completely changed my mind. Your attitude seems so very mature and I feel you are spot on. Was looking for someone to explore this "line" and couldn't find anyone else but you.
Cannot agree with your comments more! A breath of fresh air to hear a voice of reason here! You're awesome! :)
With Ben you have to sit through four shit post to finally get his real and insightful option.
only to just realize it's yet another shitpost
I played a tournament once where my opponent - rated 300 points higher than I - repeatedly came to the board, moved immediately, and then left. I told the tournament director, who took no action, but agreed to keep an eye on him. Strict anti-cheating measures were in place, and the game was a draw. I don’t think he was cheating. He is stronger than I am, had no reason to cheat, and he didn’t win. But, his behavior was odd, and the TD made an announcement about not
~ appearing to cheat ~ before the next round. So, people can appear to cheat even when they are not.
But Hans did admit he was cheating before and not once but twice. Until the website announced came and contradicted him that he cheated a lot more than that. So he's a renowned cheater and a liar. And you think now that we can take his word that he didn't cheat?
@@amberxv4777 Except that the Sinquefeld Cup organizers have announced they have found no evidence of him cheating in that tournament. I have no faith in what Hans says, but I take seriously what the tourney organizer says, and acknowledge that there’s a big difference between online chess and over-the-board chess.
in other words, we all know that Hansen has cheated online, and probably will continue to do so. However, I don’t think he cheated in the Sinquefeld Cup.
I like your humor and honesty I'm know subscribed because of that cloud . I thought that all along, that it could be a stunt to bring more attention to the chest world. right or wrong it did bring attention
Round Robin argument is helpful. Anti-cheating measures also helpful. Feeling good about not cheating helpful. In conclusion, Ben is helpful
Thanks for that episode on Queen sacrifices! Big bump in your ratings it appears...
( search algorithm secrets - use words common in the current cultural zeitgeist for what we call 'Sidehacking' which is also a great MST3K episode )
Ben is always on top of these things - while everyone is umming and ahhing about whether Hans cheated, Ben is focused on what the implications are for the rest of the tournament, how it affects a person's career, and how FIDE needs to deal with cheating and World Champions resigining from tournaments without good reason. Spot on as always.
Hey ben, what did Carly Rae Jepsen say about Hans' cheating?
Magnus made a statement by playing only 1 move today.
it's also super obnoxious of Magnus not to have clarified. If you are going to withdraw, at the very least you owe people an explanation. And either accuse a person or don't, this vague implication and then letting everyone else take the heat for you is not ethical behavior.
My problem with Magnus is his toys-out-the-pram narcissism- 'He cheated in MY game therefore I'M walking out!'. Where is the collective here, the idea that if we have a potential problem we should all come together to sort it out? His actions just stink of an 'I am bigger than chess' attitude.
Totally agree that Magnus didn't handle this well. Poor sportsmenship
Yea for being the TOP player no excuse for what he did with no explanation.
Ye he should have just let Hans cheat and get away with it
@@idisplaypace2411 really?? Are you daft?? if he caught him cheating isn't the appropriate action reporting him, even if you suspect it, this is still the appropriate action, instead of not proving, insinuating and leaving your followers and loyalists to attack and destroy him though you have not shown and probably will not show any proof
@@ikebee4551 i was being sarcastic
Watch after all of this Magnus actually withdrew over something completely unrelated like a domestic dispute or something, and just didn't comment on the accusations because he doesn't like Hans.
I have only cheated 34,937 times
Where is the post about Hans performing poorly with a broadcast delay?
I want that shirt! Where can I get it?
_"Hans plays well when the board is live and does not play well when it's not live."_
So what are you saying? That he's got a radio transmitter-receiver on his person?
he could have a chip in him that buzzes morse code, or an inner ear piece.. there's been tons of stuff like that out for a long time. He isn't saying anything about it it seems like, he is just saying that look hans plays better when the board is live..
and of course people know that it's easier to cheat with the board live than when not live, as you showed with your response.
@@mattkaye6559 how do you avoid metal detector?
@@ekklesiast He may have been getting signals from someone across the playing room. ALl they would need to do is put a pair of glasses on and that would be enough information to let him know there's a winning move to be found in the current position.
I've only played in 2 tnmts in my life many years ago, I think they were Swiss. Obviously you don't play everyone like a round robin where you play white/black against everyone. Now I just play club chess.
Can you explain why it's more inappropriate to WD from a RR vs a Swiss? How does it affect a RR more than a Swiss? It's it because with a Swiss they can just replace the withdrawn player with someone else according to his rating?
Thanks 👍
Because in a round Robin you don't play the cheater again. Plus everyone has to play the cheater which makes the same disadvantage for all players, keeping it balanced
Your comment doesn't make any sense (or dollars)
@@yotoober1 your small chessticles are probably worth a few cents, definitely not a dollar
In a Swiss every round's pairings are determined after the end of the previous round, so a player who withdraws just won't get paired. In a RR the pairings are predetermined from the start of the tournament, so someone leaving in the middle of the tournament inevitably creates uneven playing conditions for the remaining players.
thank you for this great video, well thought out
Magnus withdrawing is the real scandal
How do I find myself and the light? By seeking the path that leads to the truth.
Isn't there another major tournament coming up with both Magnus and Hans playing?
I mean lets look at it as an opportunity to advance the game/tournaments, was there something more the organizers could've done to prevent a suspicious game? Or is this just a battle of egos?
Most reasonable opinion on this issue on the internet.
what about hikaru's?
I disagree somewhat, and think that at the world champion level, it is completely valid to withdraw for reasons of mental or physical health, however I don't think it should be done without giving an explicit reason why.
Yes, but at this point he could say "it wasn't because I think Hans cheated". He chooses not to...
Trying is the first step toward failure
havent youtube sent a 100k sub plaque? anyways, congrats on +100k now!
The reason I quit playing OTB chess when I was a kid is because I had an experience where an opponent cheated by literally moving his knight to an adjacent square. Eventually I complained to an arbiter and went through a horrible experience. Decided to never play OTB after that. Cheating OTB is a huge deterrent to chess becoming popular
Did you annotate your game?
How can someone cheat like that? Was it in bullet games? Or was it in rapid slow games? Cuz in a slow game, you just can't cheat like that, you can see them.
@@tolkienfan1972 Yes, thankfully!
@@-_Nuke_- Where I live, at lower levels, there were only a couple of arbiters managing the entire tournament
If it's a classical game and you write down the moves this should be preventable. Also I'm sure this kind of nonsense doesn't happen when players are a little older.
Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems to me easy to determine if he were cheating. He said he happened to review the line (or a very similar line) that morning. Why couldn’t someone just revisit his review? Wouldn’t it be saved somewhere?
Can a player get fined for withdrawing a round/ double round robin?
Hey Ben, just wondering, what neighborhood in Detroit did you grow up in?
For a big event like the Sinequefield cup the main way of cheating would be some complicity from the staff.
not exactly, technology have grown to counter anticheating measures
@@Warcheiftan and we haven't seen evidence of Hans possessing that tech.
@@JohnS-il1dr nor would you
I agree with GM Ben's reasoning, and opinion. I also like his sense of hummer and I'm glad to be better looking than he is. 😊
He does have a good sense of luxury cars
@@r.mcdonnell8614 LOL! That's a + in my book.
Agree. Magnus withdrawing is way more serious than suspecting of Hans, not mentioning that he has not provided proof of his accusation....
BF dropping truth bombs. The voice of reason in all of this. I’m sure Alireza was more than happy to hear MC drop out.
Hans is an odd duck but what happened to him wasn’t fair.
What happened to him?
Actually, knowing Ali, he was probably PISSED that MagPuss dropped out. He's a competitor and wants to beat the best.
@@ClassicPass_ true true
whats a GM norm? Also good video people need to hear that
Hans cheated when he was a child. Most people cheated at something in their youth. The only difference is that Hans was so advanced as a young chess player that his cheating was more meaningful. I absolutely cannot hold this against him unless he has been cheating as an adult.
@@TheCriticalArchitect He was still a kid rofl people grow up. There is no way of knowing and people are just conspiracy baiting at this point without like rock hard evidence.
@@TheCriticalArchitect a kid. Not a kid anymore. And you don't KNOW he cheated more, so why are you saying it like it's fact? Incredibly unhealthy for the community
@@TheCriticalArchitect And don't forget 25? 30? 50? When else did he cheat?
@@wicked5999 he cheated with 16 a teenager now he is 19 still a teenager, so in your logic he is in the same age range..
@@ScreeAT ok how about ties then. Twenties? Same age group as seventies.
BF lookin to get those CLICKS!!
How dare someone have an incredibly rational take.
how did hans do it? he had to have had an accomplice.
2:11 lmfao "Hans can't expect those anyway"
How did this all start? When Magnus withdrew? Or was there suspicion before that?
Magnus wothdrew and said Hans cheated
The issue I suppose and I don’t know the history here or too much, however I’m guessing that if your good enough to crush Magnus into literal withdrawal, you really don’t need to ever cheat online, you just win until winning is boring and you do silly openings like Magnus just for fun, then win anyway.
So why cheat online if you can crush the literal best in world?
Hans doesn't typically crush players like Magnus easily. Magnus played an uncharacteristically bad game, Hans capitalized (despite not playing perfectly himself), and that's basically it. Magnus occasionally loses to players much weaker than him even in classical chess (Andrey Esipenko famously beat him in 2021 while rated under 2700), that doesn't mean he doesn't usually wipe the floor even with super GMs.
Hans is much closer to your average GM who loses as often as he wins.
Magnus showed his inner man child.
You would think a chess engine would be able to tell when someone cheats or if.
Ben echos my sentiment on the matter too. Well said.
There's a 15 min TV feed delay btw. Magnus is the biggest baby in the history of chess.
The live games were junior and scholastic events. You can't just site some random internet study and claim it as fact.
Carly Ray Jepson reference 😂
The chess speaks for itself.
2 options here:
1) He didn't cheat > he is a genius (beating Magnus at that age on a very rare MC's opening with black!)
2) He cheated > he is a genius (until nobody realize how he managed to!)
Basically Magnus was a tad bit confused and was thinking that this was K.O. play.
If withdrawing is such a no-no the organizers should be requiring players sign contracts with heavy punishments/fines for withdrawing except for certain medical/bereavement reasons. If they don't have enough leverage to do that then that is the privilege the players enjoy.
I’ve been saying this forever, yet people are still bashing Magnus. He has every right to withdraw, just like any other player. The world champ title doesn’t come with special obligations and if it did, Magnus clearly wants none of it anyways
There are contracts that Magnus signed and he breached them. Magnus will have had to atleast pay back any appearance fees or money he made already from the organisers. I don’t know if there are other forms of fines however, possibly there was
@@loafes1352 which contracts did he breach?
@@alekhinesgun9997 the one to play in the tournament genius
@@blackhitler8572 Thanks genius! How the fuck does some schmuck on youtube know the contents of Magnus' contract is the point I was getting at.
I only get accused of cheating when I've started up an account and playing through the lower rates players so it's always faint praise. If Hans knows himself he didn't cheat he might be flattered to know Magnus and Hikaru might think he did, but for the likely fact that he's just being judged on his previous. Kasparov and Fischer are examples of great chess minds who can get some things all wrong.
If you do that, you *are* cheating. It's considered ratings manipulation.
@@furrykef um, no it ain't. It's called quitting chess for a few years and coming back
@@furrykef ..and you should have emboldened the "you" and not the "are" of that statement.
@Keith Alfred Anthony Donovan Fischer was a mentalist and Kasparov has many blind assertions.
@@bertross9727 tell me in different language what Kasparov dod
Only cheat on the first move, I guarantee you will never get caught 😆
I love that he couldn't resist going off on a cilantro dad joke tangent...
"Hikaru Magnus and I get a lot more engagement because of this incident" the exact moment I liked the video lmao
Why is Ben's chair keep wiggling/vibrating?
It's a vibrating chair that massages his back.
It's true I never played in a round robin, but I once played in a square thrush.
I come for the drama and oddly Im still disappointed that he doesnt give a chess lesson
Did magnus still not say anything on the matter apart from the mourinho tweet?
«A compliment on your character.. but Hans can't expect any of those anyway» LMAO truth hurts
I cheated just once when i was a kid on the internet when i was like 1600 against a 2000. of course i was arrogant and ignored engine suggestions and got flagged in a slightly worse in a drawn game but i'm a weirdo.
cheating is ok if you are cheating to lose with grace ;)
My opinion is that all efforts should be in the direction of keeping the game clean, that is all that matters. With the technology today, actually catching a cheater can be almost impossible. The fact that Magnus retired is more his own personal damage: he is allowed, he didn’t offend the officials so I don’t understand why attacking him. Instead, Let’s think: if he didn’t retire, would we talk today about Hans cheating? Will everyone be with eyes on Hans from now on? Also, there is no moral difference in cheating online or cheating at the board: it’s CHEATING
Really? 'coz I want to talk about how much of a bad loser Carlsen is... Or are you saying he would have retired if he won?
Tooth hurts
6:33 his look after "thanks Magnus"
That Carly Rae Jepsen joke caught me off guard 😂
If you look at his centipawn count on some of his games, it definitely is somewhat suspicious, but still, you can’t be 100% sure. Some of those games with high centipawn counts look wierd, but what do I know.
"For a game to be [FIDE] rated each player must have a minimum of two hours in which to complete all the moves, assuming the game lasts 60 moves".
I have played in FIDE-rated tournaments where the players are unrated or have ratings below 1500, and I think that two hours is loo long for such players. These tournaments typically had numerous children playing; these kids often looked bored and sometimes went off to play on their mobiles whilst they were waiting for their opponents to move.
I think that a minimum of one hour would be preferable for players rated below 1500 because it would make it more reasonable to expect that everyone follows the rules.
3:13 this man really threw in a “call me maybe” - Carly Rae Jepsen joke haha
Magnus is going thru his 'I'm bigger than chess/Fischer' moment.. What happens if you big someone up too much. Always thought Kasparov was more of a beast at his peak than Magnus.