I'm just going to say it like it is. The courses that they play should be permanent courses not made up bullshit on a ball Golf course and try and actually bring challenge to them by coming to the Rockies and playing some legitimate mountain courses that just happen to be some of the best in the world
I really like park style courses, but finding a 30+ acre park to do a temporary 18 hole course in is difficult if you do not have enough parking + room for some vendors. Walla-Walla Washington has a really big cool looking city park with a small zoo inside that might work
Yeah good to see the pro tour has some competition, seems like they are ready for it bc of the new rules ago at playing events the same weekend as their events
20 meters is insane. 15m, which is pretty close to 50ft, seems like a solid rule change imo. I've also liked the suggestion that the circle can be a different distance for different divisions. MPO/tour only could byle 15m, normal divisions 10m, junior divisions could even be closer!
I think 65 ft Is a little deep would prefer to see something a little more in the middle like 45 ft seems a better distance personally. Also the DGPT is a shit show. Late payouts, poor coverage and the same courses every year. I think a lot of people are gonna welcome competition and giving the pros a chance to make more money isn’t a bad thing either. Also would love a more non golf approach to coverage ya know.
A floor & a bathroom...I've worked on that policy before. I'm excited for the second pro tour and hope that a number of the pros are able to appear in both.
Unique putting circle sizes on individual holes is a cool idea, provided they're marked clearly. I'm not trying to figure out different circle sizes on every hole.
Can't wait to discuss this with Luke when he's in town for the TDU. FYI: a "non-compete" clause in any contract is essentially worthless and unenforceable unless the signer is paid a non-trivial sum to sign it. Without a big up-front benefit to the signer, practically all judges will dismiss any such civil case with prejudice, and award all legal costs to the signer. The 20-metre proposed rule change doesn't address the issue. Just moves it 10-metres further back, and so it is not a solution to any issue I am aware of. Claiming that Pros and discs are better after 50 years has zero validity. The same is true of basket ball, and they haven't raised the hoop, or made it smaller, or moved the free-throw line further back. So what if Pros almost never miss a 7-metre putt? Or a 10-metre? It still happens. I have watched Simon Lizotte miss a 1 metre putt! Sadly, putting in disc golf can NEVER be as exciting as in ball golf, because the disc is only in the air for a very short period - far too short for anticipation in the crowed to build to crazy levels like it can in ball golf, when it can be several seconds from the time the ball is hit, until it drops or misses. In disc golf, the only time such tension can build is when a disc starts to roll after touching down. I always point to disc golf as being an amazing sport, due to its self-refereed nature. The only change I would make to the PDGA rules is that any card being officially filmed should have a dedicated PDGA Rules Official observing the card, enforcing the rules the players do not enforce themselves. That would prevent any bad feelings between players - which is the major reason pros don't properly enforce the rules. I strongly resist any attempt to change the rules of the game, because for 98% of all disc golfers, disc golf is now, and always will be a game, and not a sport. And it is absolutely essential the game and the sport operate with the exact same rules.
I feel like allowing stepping inside c2 would be ok provided you maintain 1 point of contact BEHIND the lie until the disc comes to rest (unless not moving would interfere with the disc [during a rollaway])
DGPT seems to have some financial woes. GoThrow is stepping in to do one of two things: force DGPT to improve their payouts, timely-ness, and demonstrate their overall benefit to the players. *OR* GoThrow is firing shots across the bow that they are coming to win the players, win the fans, and ultimately win the ‘official PDGA’ moniker. I do miss the days when my feed was filled with rounds of cards to watch instead of filled with news sources. ETA: apparently GoThrow will not be live, since debut Persimmon Ridge tourney started yesterday.
be cool to see something like "Shell's Wonderful World of Golf" Where 2 pros play against each other in matchplay matchplay format, like dgpt did in 2021
Concerning changing putting distances, and how it hasnt changed in 50 years. Im pretty sure that circle one was 25 ft, like 5 years ago, then changed to 10m. CIrcle two was 50ft then 20m. AM i wrong? Our course was built for circle 1- 25ft, then changed.
It has always been 10 metres. Your course was built by someone who was unfamiliar with the rules of the game. But in times past, landing on top of the basket was considered good.
@@Chris.Davies I was a rec player, and the builder, with a small group. I did not know the circle one rule, when building it, other than my group said 25 ft. I never checked the rules, on it. About 5 years ago, I planted bricks at circle one, because I "heard" not read that circle one is getting bigger because players are getting better and plastic is better. I know all of the rules, now, working at the pro level, but I do not know what DG universe I was living in, because Im not making any of this stuff up. Now, Im going to have to figure out how I was misled, years ago.
for months now I have been saying that there will be even regional tours starting to pop up all over the country, even if they do not get any consistent coverage.
I think pdga should make players declare jump putts before hand to the card. Then allow them to step back a couple feet so their release point is no further than their marker. That’s my 2 cents 🤷🏽♂️
Asking for a friend....Does anyone know if it's just step putts or are jump putts included in that too? I think it would be pretty obvious that you can't do that either but I've seen crazier things happen.
@natesquaggles9332 Something simple like this would work, but you have to include any follow through. So the throw and follow through must stay behind the lie. You could then jump, step, fall forward, step forward, whatever as long as forward momentum stops at or behind the lie or on the tee pad.
@leopard3131 exactly. Yeah it would change some smaller rules , but as long as you stop behind the lie/tee pad, you are good. Kinda unsafe to run past the pad anyways and people manage run ups on lies all the time.
I think it will be similar to the PGA and live tour where players will play the tournaments for go throw and then play the majors on Discgolf pro to her because the majors are not really part of the Discgolf pro tour. They are PDGA run event events.
If the pro tour wants to keep up they need to make there own rules. The Pros should be graded on a different scale than the ams. Also the PDGA making rules for pros that affect the weekend warriors makes no sense. DGPT needs its own set of rules for sure. I also think we should protest the PDGA if they don’t allow 16 at the beast to be a buncr rule at worlds, We’re the only people that can hit them were it hurts by not renewing this year.
Yes, they absolutely need to change the rules around foot faults. Players at all levels don’t call foot faults. Not just the pros. And not just about step putts. Wherever they allow step putting they should change the rule So it doesn’t read that you would need a slow motion camera to be able to tell whether or not the putt was legal. So players can easily see faults. How many times do I see somebody’s mini move while throwing from the fairway? Was the Disc released before or after? The rules are poorly written, asking us to police things we couldn’t possibly see for sure. And nobody’s making those calls. I am for increasing the circle, but it doesn’t really address the problem. Because jumping and then releasing the disc outside of the circle, as long as it’s a quick continuous motion is being allowed. At all levels.
I agree 100% , there are 2 problems: 1. It is impossible to determine if a small part of a players foot is or is not in the lie at the time of release from 5 ft away. Also, does it really matter if this rule is violated by an inch? Do we want camera coverage of where a players foot was or insant replays like other professional sports? Either relax the rule or better mark the area with a loop of fluorescent string, or both. 2. The other problem is the lack of officials. Asking players to enforce the rules is a bad look but if the players are not enforcing the rules than they have no right to complain about the lack of enforcement. If the players are not enforcing the rules, and there are no officials to enforce the rules, then the rules are meaningless and should be eliminated or changed.
@@leopard3131 thank you. I hope they don’t write rules that ever include cameras or referees even if it becomes cost-effective. I’d like to play the same way the pros do. And i’d like to officiate the same way. You also bring up a great point about having a bigger place mark to throw from. In my amateur divisions, it seems like every other other throw in the fairway a player is missing the mark. Maybe just by a few inches. But mostly it’s just in the hard thrown fairway shots. Usually when they’re behind a tree or in a thick area, they’ll put their foot on their mark and try to reach out and around with a standstill. So the way everybody refs, we ignore the open shots in the fairway where the foot fault is small and there was now advantage to the player. But make sure their foot is secured to the ground when they’re behind a tree. The rules could be easily written where if somebody has an advantage by throwing from the side of his/her mark.
Can you imagine if the PGA tour announced that after a putt, you must keep your putter as still as possible for 3 seconds after the ball goes in? That’s how ridiculous this sounds to me.
@@coreydempsey4660 rofl, for like 4 people,, rest are basically homeless bums who make more on their piddly youtube channels than they do on the poor tour.
That is exactly the opposite of the right thing to do. So-called "marksman baskets" demonstrate nothing except a lack of understanding of putting in disc golf: we are already aiming at the smallest possible target - a chain link. This silly "basket" does not and can not make anyone a better putter. Period. And, if you like seeing pro disc golfers repeatedly miss 5-metre putts, then the Marksman is the basket for you! Waaay back in 2015 or 2016 the final round of a big tournament in Colorado used 18 Marksman baskets and it was the dumbest thing you have ever seen: Pros including Nikko Locastro - who was one of the best putters on tour at the time missed putt after putt, with discs splashing and chaining out repeatedly. No one wants to see that. The players despise them, and they would birfurcate the game - which is an awful idea. If you think otherwise, then get yourself a Marksmas basket, and have at it. But don't pretend they solve any problem in disc golf - because they don't. If they were a viable option, they would already be in use. But they're rejected every time that come up - and rightly so.
I like what you have to say but I don’t get why so much of the video is audio over barely relevant stock footage. You’re talking about step putting and expanding the circle and I’m watching drew Gibson tee off.
I'm all for new horizons and cream rising to the top. But, y'all, that GoThrow logo is so bad. I won't be buying merch, and I'm a jersey/hat fanatic. Please hire a legit graphic designer and rework that logo.
Good please ban it. i see so many foot faults and no one wants to have to call that on a card everytime. Also whats so hard about standing still while putting?
Considering the DGPT doesn't make any money and doesn't even break even. As they reported a few month ago. It will be interesting on how much money this new league has to put on these tournaments on. Sure hope they don't want us to watch commercials, or have to pay to watch. This needs to be free. Or it's just going to be like watching the dgpt. Uhg
Please remember Luke is intimately involved in DG coverage, and all associated costs. I'm happy to watch commercials for free next-day 1080p60. But I'll never pay a single cent to DGPT for blocky 360p20.
Our present Federal Trade Commission has been working on behalf of American workers to ban non-compete clauses. How great would it be for touring pros to decide which tour they would like to play on whichever week? Power to workers ✊
Now a card gets to judge a 66ft foot fault with accuracy? I don't know how many convos I've heard trying to figure out if someone is even in the circle. Should little league have a 410ft center field? The Pro Tour should have rules that only apply to A-Tier and up. If beginners have to put like, that you will lose even more players out the gate. Learn from Pickleball. Let the community drive growth, not the idiots with the deepest pockets and rule books. Mingo for life! 🦩🦩🦩🦩
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No jump putts inside C2 are great. Finally rewarding touch and good technique.
you think FPO putts bad now, hahaha
I'm just going to say it like it is. The courses that they play should be permanent courses not made up bullshit on a ball Golf course and try and actually bring challenge to them by coming to the Rockies and playing some legitimate mountain courses that just happen to be some of the best in the world
The courses that they announced so far are all permanent courses.
I really like park style courses, but finding a 30+ acre park to do a temporary 18 hole course in is difficult if you do not have enough parking + room for some vendors. Walla-Walla Washington has a really big cool looking city park with a small zoo inside that might work
Which do you believe have infrastructure to host?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it
This is an off season tour. Nobody wants to be throwing disc in The Rockies in January 😂!
Those go throw logos look like clip art from windows 3.1
True. It's not looking good,, poor quality design.
Yeah good to see the pro tour has some competition, seems like they are ready for it bc of the new rules ago at playing events the same weekend as their events
That was walked back anyway, wasn't it? Per Drew Gibson's video earlier today.
Putt any dang way you want. Just finish behind your mini... in balance.
20 meters is insane. 15m, which is pretty close to 50ft, seems like a solid rule change imo. I've also liked the suggestion that the circle can be a different distance for different divisions. MPO/tour only could byle 15m, normal divisions 10m, junior divisions could even be closer!
I like the idea of MPO at 20m and everyone else 15m (with the exception perhaps of 10m for junior divisions).
I think 65 ft Is a little deep would prefer to see something a little more in the middle like 45 ft seems a better distance personally.
Also the DGPT is a shit show. Late payouts, poor coverage and the same courses every year. I think a lot of people are gonna welcome competition and giving the pros a chance to make more money isn’t a bad thing either. Also would love a more non golf approach to coverage ya know.
No jump/step putting pushed to c2 has been a long needed change, at least for mpo.
A floor & a bathroom...I've worked on that policy before. I'm excited for the second pro tour and hope that a number of the pros are able to appear in both.
If they do more international course coverage like the New Zealand and Mexico tournaments I will be super excited.
While it's not a Go Throw Tour stop, they are doing coverage in Puerto Rico
@ the Puerto Rico course is absolutely beautiful. More coverage like this (if they have the budget) would be awesome for the sport.
GK covered the New Zealand tour last year so my guess would be that they’ll be back, especially after an announcement like this
i would really like to see a longer c1. i have been saying for many years that 10m is to damn close for a jump put
I agree! I think C1 should be 20m for MPO and 15m for everyone else.
Unique putting circle sizes on individual holes is a cool idea, provided they're marked clearly. I'm not trying to figure out different circle sizes on every hole.
Can't wait to discuss this with Luke when he's in town for the TDU.
FYI: a "non-compete" clause in any contract is essentially worthless and unenforceable unless the signer is paid a non-trivial sum to sign it.
Without a big up-front benefit to the signer, practically all judges will dismiss any such civil case with prejudice, and award all legal costs to the signer.
The 20-metre proposed rule change doesn't address the issue. Just moves it 10-metres further back, and so it is not a solution to any issue I am aware of. Claiming that Pros and discs are better after 50 years has zero validity. The same is true of basket ball, and they haven't raised the hoop, or made it smaller, or moved the free-throw line further back.
So what if Pros almost never miss a 7-metre putt? Or a 10-metre? It still happens. I have watched Simon Lizotte miss a 1 metre putt!
Sadly, putting in disc golf can NEVER be as exciting as in ball golf, because the disc is only in the air for a very short period - far too short for anticipation in the crowed to build to crazy levels like it can in ball golf, when it can be several seconds from the time the ball is hit, until it drops or misses. In disc golf, the only time such tension can build is when a disc starts to roll after touching down.
I always point to disc golf as being an amazing sport, due to its self-refereed nature. The only change I would make to the PDGA rules is that any card being officially filmed should have a dedicated PDGA Rules Official observing the card, enforcing the rules the players do not enforce themselves. That would prevent any bad feelings between players - which is the major reason pros don't properly enforce the rules.
I strongly resist any attempt to change the rules of the game, because for 98% of all disc golfers, disc golf is now, and always will be a game, and not a sport. And it is absolutely essential the game and the sport operate with the exact same rules.
The free throw line hasn't moved, but the three-point line has moved several times over the years...because players have improved.
I feel like allowing stepping inside c2 would be ok provided you maintain 1 point of contact BEHIND the lie until the disc comes to rest (unless not moving would interfere with the disc [during a rollaway])
DGPT seems to have some financial woes. GoThrow is stepping in to do one of two things: force DGPT to improve their payouts, timely-ness, and demonstrate their overall benefit to the players. *OR* GoThrow is firing shots across the bow that they are coming to win the players, win the fans, and ultimately win the ‘official PDGA’ moniker. I do miss the days when my feed was filled with rounds of cards to watch instead of filled with news sources. ETA: apparently GoThrow will not be live, since debut Persimmon Ridge tourney started yesterday.
I wonder if they link up with Udisc...
Ouch
Why don’t you report on real news….such as how is the best boy Hogan doing?
be cool to see something like "Shell's Wonderful World of Golf" Where 2 pros play against each other in matchplay matchplay format, like dgpt did in 2021
I sense market confusion with MN warehouse disc icon Gotta Go Gotta Throw ! Or at least a bit of an appropriation.
Similarity is low. No confusion will occur.
@@Chris.Davies - yeah, maybe, but take out words one and three and.... there it is !
Concerning changing putting distances, and how it hasnt changed in 50 years. Im pretty sure that circle one was 25 ft, like 5 years ago, then changed to 10m. CIrcle two was 50ft then 20m.
AM i wrong? Our course was built for circle 1- 25ft, then changed.
You’re wrong, there I said it.
Yep, it's been 10 meters at least since my first tournament in 2003.
It has always been 10 metres.
Your course was built by someone who was unfamiliar with the rules of the game.
But in times past, landing on top of the basket was considered good.
@@Chris.Davies I was a rec player, and the builder, with a small group. I did not know the circle one rule, when building it, other than my group said 25 ft. I never checked the rules, on it. About 5 years ago, I planted bricks at circle one, because I "heard" not read that circle one is getting bigger because players are getting better and plastic is better.
I know all of the rules, now, working at the pro level, but I do not know what DG universe I was living in, because Im not making any of this stuff up. Now, Im going to have to figure out how I was misled, years ago.
@@YashaKoman Thankfully, this never affected anything, until today.
Luke is a greedy businessman.
for months now I have been saying that there will be even regional tours starting to pop up all over the country, even if they do not get any consistent coverage.
I think pdga should make players declare jump putts before hand to the card. Then allow them to step back a couple feet so their release point is no further than their marker. That’s my 2 cents 🤷🏽♂️
GKpro is now Go-Pro..
uhh I mean
Go
Throw
Asking for a friend....Does anyone know if it's just step putts or are jump putts included in that too? I think it would be pretty obvious that you can't do that either but I've seen crazier things happen.
It just means your momentum cants take you in front of your lie
Jump putts are illegal too. You must have one contact point with the ground, behind your lie, when you release the disc.
Just make it that you have to make your throw /putts stay behind your lie.
@natesquaggles9332 Something simple like this would work, but you have to include any follow through.
So the throw and follow through must stay behind the lie. You could then jump, step, fall forward, step forward, whatever as long as forward momentum stops at or behind the lie or on the tee pad.
@leopard3131 exactly. Yeah it would change some smaller rules , but as long as you stop behind the lie/tee pad, you are good.
Kinda unsafe to run past the pad anyways and people manage run ups on lies all the time.
I think it will be similar to the PGA and live tour where players will play the tournaments for go throw and then play the majors on Discgolf pro to her because the majors are not really part of the Discgolf pro tour. They are PDGA run event events.
I’m curious on how they’re gonna do the payout will they do the standard PDGA payout or are they gonna be subsidized in the FPO?
If the pro tour wants to keep up they need to make there own rules. The Pros should be graded on a different scale than the ams. Also the PDGA making rules for pros that affect the weekend warriors makes no sense. DGPT needs its own set of rules for sure. I also think we should protest the PDGA if they don’t allow 16 at the beast to be a buncr rule at worlds, We’re the only people that can hit them were it hurts by not renewing this year.
Yes, they absolutely need to change the rules around foot faults. Players at all levels don’t call foot faults. Not just the pros. And not just about step putts. Wherever they allow step putting they should change the rule So it doesn’t read that you would need a slow motion camera to be able to tell whether or not the putt was legal. So players can easily see faults. How many times do I see somebody’s mini move while throwing from the fairway? Was the Disc released before or after? The rules are poorly written, asking us to police things we couldn’t possibly see for sure. And nobody’s making those calls.
I am for increasing the circle, but it doesn’t really address the problem. Because jumping and then releasing the disc outside of the circle, as long as it’s a quick continuous motion is being allowed. At all levels.
I agree 100% , there are 2 problems:
1. It is impossible to determine if a small part of a players foot is or is not in the lie at the time of release from 5 ft away.
Also, does it really matter if this rule is violated by an inch? Do we want camera coverage of where a players foot was or insant replays like other professional sports?
Either relax the rule or better mark the area with a loop of fluorescent string, or both.
2. The other problem is the lack of officials. Asking players to enforce the rules is a bad look but if the players are not enforcing the rules than they have no right to complain about the lack of enforcement.
If the players are not enforcing the rules, and there are no officials to enforce the rules, then the rules are meaningless and should be eliminated or changed.
@@leopard3131 thank you. I hope they don’t write rules that ever include cameras or referees even if it becomes cost-effective. I’d like to play the same way the pros do. And i’d like to officiate the same way. You also bring up a great point about having a bigger place mark to throw from. In my amateur divisions, it seems like every other other throw in the fairway a player is missing the mark. Maybe just by a few inches. But mostly it’s just in the hard thrown fairway shots. Usually when they’re behind a tree or in a thick area, they’ll put their foot on their mark and try to reach out and around with a standstill. So the way everybody refs, we ignore the open shots in the fairway where the foot fault is small and there was now advantage to the player. But make sure their foot is secured to the ground when they’re behind a tree. The rules could be easily written where if somebody has an advantage by throwing from the side of his/her mark.
I hope they do change the putting rules.
The proposed C2 rule for junp putts would force TD's to mark the C2 line on every hole. That's not going to happen.
I wonder what KJ and Uli (and other step/jump putters) think about the putting rule change.
Love the banning of step putts
Someone pick up that phone... Because I fucking called it. 😂
See you tomorrow
Isn’t that on of those motorcycle camera things?
I like the new tour. Don't like the change for putting.
Can you imagine if the PGA tour announced that after a putt, you must keep your putter as still as possible for 3 seconds after the ball goes in? That’s how ridiculous this sounds to me.
dig the putting rule change
I say you can jump putt, but that step putting looks chincy. Are move whole step are jump putt. 40ft.
watering down disc golf. making the sport weaker by the day.
Yeah, disc golf peaked, its a big money grab now.
@@coreydempsey4660 rofl, for like 4 people,, rest are basically homeless bums who make more on their piddly youtube channels than they do on the poor tour.
I think they should standardize the marksmanship baskets and leave the distances and step putting alone 🤷♂️
That is exactly the opposite of the right thing to do. So-called "marksman baskets" demonstrate nothing except a lack of understanding of putting in disc golf: we are already aiming at the smallest possible target - a chain link. This silly "basket" does not and can not make anyone a better putter. Period.
And, if you like seeing pro disc golfers repeatedly miss 5-metre putts, then the Marksman is the basket for you!
Waaay back in 2015 or 2016 the final round of a big tournament in Colorado used 18 Marksman baskets and it was the dumbest thing you have ever seen: Pros including Nikko Locastro - who was one of the best putters on tour at the time missed putt after putt, with discs splashing and chaining out repeatedly. No one wants to see that.
The players despise them, and they would birfurcate the game - which is an awful idea.
If you think otherwise, then get yourself a Marksmas basket, and have at it. But don't pretend they solve any problem in disc golf - because they don't. If they were a viable option, they would already be in use. But they're rejected every time that come up - and rightly so.
Cheddah!
I like what you have to say but I don’t get why so much of the video is audio over barely relevant stock footage. You’re talking about step putting and expanding the circle and I’m watching drew Gibson tee off.
Fair, but minor. Good tip tho going forward.
I hate always pausing the vid to read long paragraphs every 10 seconds 😢
65' 7.4"
I say step putt from anywhere.
Says people that can't putt. Let me guess you also think all disc golf courses should be wooded, right? Says the people that can't throw far
@@soldieroftheway7979Open courses suck.
I'm all for new horizons and cream rising to the top. But, y'all, that GoThrow logo is so bad. I won't be buying merch, and I'm a jersey/hat fanatic. Please hire a legit graphic designer and rework that logo.
Good please ban it. i see so many foot faults and no one wants to have to call that on a card everytime. Also whats so hard about standing still while putting?
The pros need to have their own set of rules
Considering the DGPT doesn't make any money and doesn't even break even. As they reported a few month ago. It will be interesting on how much money this new league has to put on these tournaments on.
Sure hope they don't want us to watch commercials, or have to pay to watch. This needs to be free.
Or it's just going to be like watching the dgpt. Uhg
Please remember Luke is intimately involved in DG coverage, and all associated costs.
I'm happy to watch commercials for free next-day 1080p60.
But I'll never pay a single cent to DGPT for blocky 360p20.
They should do the oposite. Step/Jump putts from anywhrere.
This is how it was initially, decades ago. But it makes for some really dumb-looking putting. That's why they banned the falling putt.
Exactly
@@Chris.Davieswho cares if it looks dumb? And that’s just your opinion.
Am divisions remain 10m
Pro divisions 15m
Our present Federal Trade Commission has been working on behalf of American workers to ban non-compete clauses. How great would it be for touring pros to decide which tour they would like to play on whichever week? Power to workers ✊
Now a card gets to judge a 66ft foot fault with accuracy? I don't know how many convos I've heard trying to figure out if someone is even in the circle. Should little league have a 410ft center field? The Pro Tour should have rules that only apply to A-Tier and up. If beginners have to put like, that you will lose even more players out the gate. Learn from Pickleball. Let the community drive growth, not the idiots with the deepest pockets and rule books. Mingo for life! 🦩🦩🦩🦩