Fantastic list!! I've watched dozens of these over the years and they all cover the same apps with maybe one I haven't heard of but sheesh, there's a bunch here that sounds nice.
Hi Tim, I'm absolutely loving my new De-Googled GrapheneOS phone and your video was super informative as to some apps that I could download. Have you ever checked out a Matrix or XMPP client before? I've heard mixed messages regarding Telegram and Signal (albeit better than WhatsApp for privacy), but have heard wonders regarding XMPP. I'm a bit of a noob to the alternative tech world, as throughout my undergraduate engineering education we didn't use anything that didn't have Microsoft/Google associated with it somehow. (Edit "Microsoft/Google") Great videos! Looking forward to learning more :) -Dylan
I haven't used Matrix at all and XMPP very little. While they have their place, Session is likely the best from a privacy perspective as it uses onion routing, and is decentralized.
Session is more "polished" than XMPP, so it is easier for new users to figure it out, and that makes it easier for non-techies to use it. After all, you need people to communicate with on the various messengers.
Open source mapping apps aren't nearly as complete or polished as Google Maps. If you must have good maps and you don't mind a proprietary app, Here We Go in Aurora Store is close to Google Maps.
Magic Earth. You will LOVE it, it has complete offline functionality, it's has about 7 different style maps some of which look cool, the turn by turn instructions are far less annoying than Google and they share None of your data it even works perfectly with no network permission, it also comes with many different voices if you don't want to install Google tts
@@hansj2355 Here We Go has offline maps of pretty much the entire world. You can download them to your device and use the navigator in airplane mode for added privacy
@@privacyproshop I do like “here we go” but it lack voice guidance therefore needs TTS engine which is google . Do you know better way to make it work?
Was dying for a Notes Apo like XFCE Mouse Pad Text Editor but couldn't find it for Grapheme OS. Just installed NotallyX It doesn't require internet access & I like that. I can store & backup locally, like that. Will see what you think?
Good day sir. Thank you for your educational videos. Made the switch to Graphene - but can't get Open Maps to lock onto position. Same problem with Open Weather - neither app can "find" my location. Have gone thru and given permission(s) to allow while using the app, tried everything. Any suggestions?
For the camera I use the Google one with the network permission disabled, it is just better, but that is only because I use the sandboxed play services
Good morning sir. “Here we go maps” sends data to google analytics, right? Organic Maps is a better option for privacy? Or do you recommend something else? Have a great holiday & thnx for all you do to educate on this topic.
Use Here We Go to download offline maps and then block network access to Here We Go and it won't send anything to anyone yet works well with high quality maps.
@@privacyproshop K9 used to be a good alternative, but has too many unfixed problems and never really kept up to date, so most users dumped it which is really sad as I used it on KitKat!
@@privacyproshop have tried K9 recently but a lot of people have reported that certain free email account providers such as yahoo simply cannot be set/installed under K9. Have tried yahoo myself and after 4 days of trying I've simply gave up on it. Have used Blue Mail apk for years on my older android phones but cannot say if is a safe app or not since I wasn't aware of apps spying on your data until recently and because of it, a few months back I decided to throw away all my old phones and have quicky purchased a brand new Pixel 8 and put Graphene OS on it from day 1. No regrets. What a great OS.
Hey tim..thanks for that... thought i had sent a message on another vid, but couldnt find it so apologies if u already have this question.....Q. are there alternatives to g pay on grapheneos/aurora...? Or would one need to add goog play? Thanks and enjoying ur vids
You would have to add Google services and google pay if you want google pay. You can do that in a sandbox with GrapheneOS and it might work, but doing that kinda re-googles the phone as you will be giving info to Google about your purchases. It likely requires login to a Google account, which allows Google to track you. As far as what to use as an alternative? Use cash as much as you can. Or those Visa or MasterCard gift cards.
👍thanks v much for reply...agreed...yeah kind of silly to de goog l and then add gpay!....maybe theres a little niche for someone a privacy geared paymt app..anyway, thanks again appreciate yr vids
@@daltropical5236 Ask the merchants you work with to accept Monero, Bitcoin (probably via lightning) and/or one of the many US Dollar denominated stablecoins
Convenience. Aegis is, in my opinion, more convenient for TOTP than KeePassDX. Also, KeePassDX says this about security: "It is not recommended to store this secret key and the password of the same service in the same KeePass database. (It would be like having a door with 2 locks but putting the 2 keys on the same keychain.)"
Flashed ROMs for years and used lineageos too but there was always issues. Been using an s10 since it came out n with its forever locked bootloader, I gave up modding ROMs and made do. Been away from the modding scene and only just found out that grapheneos is now stable. Ordered a pixel 5 off evilbay and flashed her. They've done a brilliant job over at grapheneos. Its as much privacy as we're gonna get while connected but having Google almost completely wiped and 99% of apps working, is brilliant. With more updates to come, grapheme can only get better.
I was skeptical at first because it sounded like it might break more apps than Lineage and be too limiting, but GrapheneOS is definitely the way. I also installed it on a Pixel 5 and am extremely impressed with it. It's good that LineageOS is around for other devices besides Pixel phones, but if you have a Pixel then I'd say go with GrapheneOS if you want the best privacy and experience.
Coming from S10. Is the Pixel 5 where it's at? Or should we be looking at a different pixel 6 7, etc? Or a different phone altogether? Graphene, OS in mind.. Any firsthand experience that you could share would be terrific! Don't know much about pixel phones is there like a 5 and a 5 plus? Obviously want maximum ability for siloing! Like day-to-day stuff in comparison to S10 operating system interactions, Etc is just daily use for a daily driver. 😊 thx!
Once Briar starts using Lokinet for its communication instead of Tor they can add calls to it. Calls won't work over Tor, but would work great over the Low Latency Anonymous Routing Protocol (LLARP) based Lokinet. Once the Oxen/Session/Lokinet Team gets LibLokinet ready, then Briar can use it, too!
I haven't used Bitwarden, but have heard and read good things about it. As I understand it, the cool thing about it is Bitwarden server that can be either self hosted or hosted by Bitwarden in the cloud and therefore you can synchronize your passwords across desktops & mobile devices. So far KeePass has done everything I need and I simply copy the file using Syncthing between my GrapheneOS device and my desktop.
Bitwarden is brilliant, I have used it for years and now use the paid version... It can be accessed via the web interface or locally on a phone or computer. One thing I would say NOT to do on Windows is use the browser extension and do not store passwords in any browser. Have the Bitwarden program running and just cut and paste easily in to sites. The paid version adds things like the ability to store attachments against entries, so you could attach a picture of your bank card if you really wanted, or maybe a copy of your last bank statement. I use it to keep receipts and documents for car breakdown cover for example, also car insurance. There is even a OTP feature, but I would avoid keeping this with your passwords in case the phone or computer ever got compromised. I used to run Authy, which was brilliant, but had privacy concerns as it was always sending data out about where I was, contacts, what my phone was doing etc, I never kept it long enough to run Wireshark on Win11. I use AEGIS AUTHENTICATOR for site codes. I back up the encrypted database to a USB stick and a ProtonDrive. KeePass is quite basic, but if you are more paranoid, you could use it knowing it would not connect to the Internet, then you only need to secure it on your device.
@@CodeOnBlocks NewPipe has to be updated each time youTUBE finds a way to block the way it works, it's not worth the trouble. On a phone I use youtube on Brave! Then I can still log in and comment if I need to. I also use Mullvad DNS over TLS.
Dear Mr. Sutinen, I watch your videos about Graphene OS and applied a few of the suggestions you shared. I feel like you spoke about "HERE WeGo" maps and how to add voice direction to it but can't find the video in which you talk about it. Are my memories wrong? Many thanks in advance for any help you will provide and for the videos.
Dear Mr. Sutinen, Reading the comments, I found your reply to @hansj2355. In it, you suggest using "Here WeGo" and "RHvoice". But I feel like remembering you spoke about it in a video: am I wrong?
Molly is operating at the mercy of Signal. They tolerate Molly but can block it if they want. F-Droid will not distribute Signal or any other Signal clients. See this for more info on the topic: forum.f-droid.org/t/signal-on-f-droid/13742/24
Is it really worth spending time to the self invisible? I am impressed by the developers spending time on it, but I don't think it is worth the time to do it. Just my own thoughts
nice video , i wonder is it actually possible to tweak the App,s icon colours to change them all to gray , so it,l be more in sync with Grapheneos stock App,s
Sort of - you could go to Settings/Accessibility/Color and motion/Color correction. Turn on "Use color correction", then choose "Grayscale" from the list. It makes everything on the screen to shades of gray, including icons. You might want to also enable "Color correction shortcut" which allows instant changes between color and grayscale.
Awesome presentation. Many thanks. New subscriber. Solved several issues I was looking for especially meetings, password manager, and messaging. Any thoughts on security cameras? All the best 👍👍
A few things concern me about Fair Email. One is having to buy it from Google, which attaches your Google ID and uniquely identifies each App to a user. The other is App Permissions. Reading contacts is NOT OK, neither is FIND ACCOUNTS ON THE DEVICE. There is nothing about what "use fingerprint hardware" really means, is that just use the phone to unlock the program, or share the fingerprint data and store it elsewhere. The same for using biometric hardware. Then I have an issue with preventing the phone from sleeping and ignoring battery optimisation. Reading the contents of your shared storage needs to be defined more, it should only be for the upload or download of files by a user and from the program if required, there should be no access to anything else. View network connections, needs to be defined more, a list of what the phone can see and uses is NOT required by the developer unless location data is being passed to a third party. As with so many of these privacy programs, they are often not very private and do track most of what you do. I would give this one a miss unless you can audit the data leaving the phone and see what is being accessed and sent out.
You don''t have to buy Fair Email from Google. You don't even have to buy it at all unless you wish to support the project. They allow direct payment with crypto and other methods
PDF Viewer Plus is found at github.com/javacafe01/PdfViewer/releases/
It is no longer on F-Droid.
AnimePipe is now called PipePipe
good vid and good recommends - the perenial elephant in the room for de-googled phones is navigation apps
PDF Viewer Plus has security vulnerabilities. Use MJPDF on F-Droid instead
Does it have a one button dark screen mode like android 10 and later adds?
Fantastic list!! I've watched dozens of these over the years and they all cover the same apps with maybe one I haven't heard of but sheesh, there's a bunch here that sounds nice.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the upload. You deserve much more subs! Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks!
Hi Tim, I'm absolutely loving my new De-Googled GrapheneOS phone and your video was super informative as to some apps that I could download. Have you ever checked out a Matrix or XMPP client before? I've heard mixed messages regarding Telegram and Signal (albeit better than WhatsApp for privacy), but have heard wonders regarding XMPP. I'm a bit of a noob to the alternative tech world, as throughout my undergraduate engineering education we didn't use anything that didn't have Microsoft/Google associated with it somehow. (Edit "Microsoft/Google")
Great videos! Looking forward to learning more :)
-Dylan
I haven't used Matrix at all and XMPP very little. While they have their place, Session is likely the best from a privacy perspective as it uses onion routing, and is decentralized.
@@privacyproshop Never had heard of Session before. I'll check it out!
Session is more "polished" than XMPP, so it is easier for new users to figure it out, and that makes it easier for non-techies to use it. After all, you need people to communicate with on the various messengers.
The fact you listed SESSION, and LOKINET - subscribed. This channel is a good find! Thank you.
I also use and appreciate Rob BRAX as well.
Really good video. First one that actually shows some really good under the radar os apps.
super info. thank you!
You bet!
Thanks you very much.
Greetings from Germany
I need GPS. Which graphene app does that????
Open source mapping apps aren't nearly as complete or polished as Google Maps. If you must have good maps and you don't mind a proprietary app, Here We Go in Aurora Store is close to Google Maps.
you could create a separate profile where you install all the google stuff you think is valuable to you.
@@privacyproshop Magic Earth works well.
Magic Earth. You will LOVE it, it has complete offline functionality, it's has about 7 different style maps some of which look cool, the turn by turn instructions are far less annoying than Google and they share None of your data it even works perfectly with no network permission, it also comes with many different voices if you don't want to install Google tts
Great content there , just subscribed to your channel.
Is there a good navigation app that match google maps?
Nothing is quite like Google Maps, not even Apple maps, but if you are fine using a proprietary product then Here We Go works very well.
@@privacyproshop thanks I will check it out
@@hansj2355 Here We Go has offline maps of pretty much the entire world. You can download them to your device and use the navigator in airplane mode for added privacy
@@privacyproshop I do like “here we go” but it lack voice guidance therefore needs TTS engine which is google .
Do you know better way to make it work?
@@hansj2355 Download RHvoice from F-Droid, open Here we Go and enable voice directions. Works well.
Good recommendation thank you.
Thanks for watching!
It makes a change to watch a channel that does some research and knows what goes on.
Was dying for a Notes Apo like XFCE Mouse Pad Text Editor but couldn't find it for Grapheme OS. Just installed NotallyX It doesn't require internet access & I like that. I can store & backup locally, like that. Will see what you think?
Good day sir. Thank you for your educational videos. Made the switch to Graphene - but can't get Open Maps to lock onto position. Same problem with Open Weather - neither app can "find" my location. Have gone thru and given permission(s) to allow while using the app, tried everything. Any suggestions?
For the camera I use the Google one with the network permission disabled, it is just better, but that is only because I use the sandboxed play services
Good morning sir. “Here we go maps” sends data to google analytics, right? Organic Maps is a better option for privacy? Or do you recommend something else? Have a great holiday & thnx for all you do to educate on this topic.
Use Here We Go to download offline maps and then block network access to Here We Go and it won't send anything to anyone yet works well with high quality maps.
Fair email is pretty good. I like it better than K-9 Mail.
I agree. That said, K-9 mail works well, too.
@@privacyproshop K9 used to be a good alternative, but has too many unfixed problems and never really kept up to date, so most users dumped it which is really sad as I used it on KitKat!
@@privacyproshop have tried K9 recently but a lot of people have reported that certain free email account providers such as yahoo simply cannot be set/installed under K9. Have tried yahoo myself and after 4 days of trying I've simply gave up on it. Have used Blue Mail apk for years on my older android phones but cannot say if is a safe app or not since I wasn't aware of apps spying on your data until recently and because of it, a few months back I decided to throw away all my old phones and have quicky purchased a brand new Pixel 8 and put Graphene OS on it from day 1. No regrets. What a great OS.
What do you like about Fair Mail? What points does K-9 Mail have against it? If it's only looks, I'm staying with K-9.
Please link for pdf viewer plus
I'd have to find it again, seems like it has been removed from F-Droid
thx@@privacyproshop
I found it. You can download PDF Viewer Plus from github.com/javacafe01/PdfViewer/releases/
thx...@@privacyproshop
was going to put graheneOS on my pixel 8 but without android auto its really not an option. sucks.
Android Auto must be a Google proprietary thingi.
Android auto works on graphene now
It's in the graphene default store. You can easily add it.
yup i see that now >.>
@@ImARealHumanPerson/videos
@@privacyproshop BTW Google Camera also works now without installing anything.
Hi Tim, does any voip apps work on graphene?
Yes, I have used Linphone and Sipnetic
Hey tim..thanks for that... thought i had sent a message on another vid, but couldnt find it so apologies if u already have this question.....Q. are there alternatives to g pay on grapheneos/aurora...? Or would one need to add goog play? Thanks and enjoying ur vids
You would have to add Google services and google pay if you want google pay. You can do that in a sandbox with GrapheneOS and it might work, but doing that kinda re-googles the phone as you will be giving info to Google about your purchases. It likely requires login to a Google account, which allows Google to track you.
As far as what to use as an alternative? Use cash as much as you can. Or those Visa or MasterCard gift cards.
👍thanks v much for reply...agreed...yeah kind of silly to de goog l and then add gpay!....maybe theres a little niche for someone a privacy geared paymt app..anyway, thanks again appreciate yr vids
@@daltropical5236 Ask the merchants you work with to accept Monero, Bitcoin (probably via lightning) and/or one of the many US Dollar denominated stablecoins
@@privacyproshop 👍😉 with u👍
Why aegis when you can do TOTP inside of keepassxc and bitwarden password managers? Why an extra separate app?
Convenience. Aegis is, in my opinion, more convenient for TOTP than KeePassDX. Also, KeePassDX says this about security: "It is not recommended to store this secret key and the password of the same service in the same KeePass database. (It would be like having a door with 2 locks but putting the 2 keys on the same keychain.)"
Flashed ROMs for years and used lineageos too but there was always issues. Been using an s10 since it came out n with its forever locked bootloader, I gave up modding ROMs and made do. Been away from the modding scene and only just found out that grapheneos is now stable. Ordered a pixel 5 off evilbay and flashed her. They've done a brilliant job over at grapheneos. Its as much privacy as we're gonna get while connected but having Google almost completely wiped and 99% of apps working, is brilliant. With more updates to come, grapheme can only get better.
Well said. Welcome to the GrapheneOS party!
I was skeptical at first because it sounded like it might break more apps than Lineage and be too limiting, but GrapheneOS is definitely the way. I also installed it on a Pixel 5 and am extremely impressed with it. It's good that LineageOS is around for other devices besides Pixel phones, but if you have a Pixel then I'd say go with GrapheneOS if you want the best privacy and experience.
Coming from S10. Is the Pixel 5 where it's at? Or should we be looking at a different pixel 6 7, etc? Or a different phone altogether? Graphene, OS in mind.. Any firsthand experience that you could share would be terrific!
Don't know much about pixel phones is there like a 5 and a 5 plus?
Obviously want maximum ability for siloing!
Like day-to-day stuff in comparison to S10 operating system interactions, Etc is just daily use for a daily driver. 😊 thx!
Why not use jitsi itself?
kMeet doesn't require any setup. Just turn it on and go.
Briar is better than Session, I just hope they add calls
Once Briar starts using Lokinet for its communication instead of Tor they can add calls to it. Calls won't work over Tor, but would work great over the Low Latency Anonymous Routing Protocol (LLARP) based Lokinet. Once the Oxen/Session/Lokinet Team gets LibLokinet ready, then Briar can use it, too!
I wanna know more please inform me how is it better just mention points i will google it
Amazing video thanks for the detailed video👍🇮🇳
Thanks for watching.
Briar ?
MyQ app does not work at all. I need that for my garage door openers. On the entertainment side Vudu, now Fandango at home does not work either.
What do you think of BitWarden instead of KeePass?
I haven't used Bitwarden, but have heard and read good things about it. As I understand it, the cool thing about it is Bitwarden server that can be either self hosted or hosted by Bitwarden in the cloud and therefore you can synchronize your passwords across desktops & mobile devices.
So far KeePass has done everything I need and I simply copy the file using Syncthing between my GrapheneOS device and my desktop.
@@privacyproshop awesome, thank you! Last question I have is how do you comment on UA-cam videos when using NewPipe? Or you just don't?
I don't think you can.
Bitwarden is brilliant, I have used it for years and now use the paid version... It can be accessed via the web interface or locally on a phone or computer. One thing I would say NOT to do on Windows is use the browser extension and do not store passwords in any browser. Have the Bitwarden program running and just cut and paste easily in to sites.
The paid version adds things like the ability to store attachments against entries, so you could attach a picture of your bank card if you really wanted, or maybe a copy of your last bank statement. I use it to keep receipts and documents for car breakdown cover for example, also car insurance. There is even a OTP feature, but I would avoid keeping this with your passwords in case the phone or computer ever got compromised. I used to run Authy, which was brilliant, but had privacy concerns as it was always sending data out about where I was, contacts, what my phone was doing etc, I never kept it long enough to run Wireshark on Win11.
I use AEGIS AUTHENTICATOR for site codes. I back up the encrypted database to a USB stick and a ProtonDrive.
KeePass is quite basic, but if you are more paranoid, you could use it knowing it would not connect to the Internet, then you only need to secure it on your device.
@@CodeOnBlocks NewPipe has to be updated each time youTUBE finds a way to block the way it works, it's not worth the trouble. On a phone I use youtube on Brave! Then I can still log in and comment if I need to. I also use Mullvad DNS over TLS.
Dear Mr. Sutinen,
I watch your videos about Graphene OS and applied a few of the suggestions you shared.
I feel like you spoke about "HERE WeGo" maps and how to add voice direction to it but can't find the video in which you talk about it.
Are my memories wrong?
Many thanks in advance for any help you will provide and for the videos.
Dear Mr. Sutinen,
Reading the comments, I found your reply to @hansj2355.
In it, you suggest using "Here WeGo" and "RHvoice".
But I feel like remembering you spoke about it in a video: am I wrong?
Yes. install the app called "RHvoice" from F-Droid to get voice directions to work.
@@privacyproshop Is hereWeGo private ? I think it needs a facebook account login.
@@cyrildescoursiere9060 nope.
what about Molly in place of Signal?
Molly is operating at the mercy of Signal. They tolerate Molly but can block it if they want. F-Droid will not distribute Signal or any other Signal clients. See this for more info on the topic: forum.f-droid.org/t/signal-on-f-droid/13742/24
and what about k-9 mail. It is not as crazy customizeable as fairmail, but replicates the appearance of gmail.
instead of Signal, I use Molly (a fork of Signal), I added the repository to f-droid
Never heard of Molly. Does it talk to Signal servers or does it have its own servers?
@@privacyproshop with the Signal server
@@user-rn9uy2rq1w Thanks!
@@privacyproshop thank you for your content
Any one here in comment land know how to install Articons App?
I can't figure out which launcher to select as I don't see AOSP listed.
Thanks
Is it really worth spending time to the self invisible? I am impressed by the developers spending time on it, but I don't think it is worth the time to do it. Just my own thoughts
If you don't want to be tracked by big tech, it is worth it.
Can I install a camera in your house?
Can you help me to get vanadium browser link?? And other default apps that are in graphene os
github.com/GrapheneOS
nice video , i wonder is it actually possible to tweak the App,s icon colours to change them all to gray , so it,l be more in sync with Grapheneos stock App,s
Sort of - you could go to Settings/Accessibility/Color and motion/Color correction. Turn on "Use color correction", then choose "Grayscale" from the list. It makes everything on the screen to shades of gray, including icons. You might want to also enable "Color correction shortcut" which allows instant changes between color and grayscale.
@@privacyproshop thank you for the tip !, kind regards
Awesome presentation. Many thanks. New subscriber. Solved several issues I was looking for especially meetings, password manager, and messaging. Any thoughts on security cameras? All the best 👍👍
What in particular are you looking for in security cameras?
We need a 2024 edition!
"Breezy Weather" and "Tubular" are what you need.
@@bolle666 I already have Tubular instead of NewPipe. Breezy Weather looks great. Thanks.
A few things concern me about Fair Email. One is having to buy it from Google, which attaches your Google ID and uniquely identifies each App to a user. The other is App Permissions. Reading contacts is NOT OK, neither is FIND ACCOUNTS ON THE DEVICE.
There is nothing about what "use fingerprint hardware" really means, is that just use the phone to unlock the program, or share the fingerprint data and store it elsewhere. The same for using biometric hardware. Then I have an issue with preventing the phone from sleeping and ignoring battery optimisation. Reading the contents of your shared storage needs to be defined more, it should only be for the upload or download of files by a user and from the program if required, there should be no access to anything else. View network connections, needs to be defined more, a list of what the phone can see and uses is NOT required by the developer unless location data is being passed to a third party.
As with so many of these privacy programs, they are often not very private and do track most of what you do.
I would give this one a miss unless you can audit the data leaving the phone and see what is being accessed and sent out.
You don''t have to buy Fair Email from Google. You don't even have to buy it at all unless you wish to support the project. They allow direct payment with crypto and other methods
👍
Aurora store
this is the most soulless video I've ever seen
LOL
Anime pipe babayyyy
They changed the name from Anime Pipe to PipePipe and it is even better.
Running a de googled s21 ultra have a work profile for stuff that require google services mainly whatsapp and meet
You should've mentioned DroidFS and Rethink.
Thanks for the info. I'll keep those in mind!
I bully Rethink Users.
Seriously lol