#sweatcicle #cbgray #destiny3 Sweatcicle was right... @Sweatcicle Check out his links: / @sweatcicle / sweatcicle • Why We Need A Destiny ... Twitch: / cbgray
I’ve come to think of it as a seasonal activity they forgot to take out of the game, and then pretend was a new core playlist activities to cover up their mistake. It fits how they’ve treated/managed it.
I think somebody said this, maybe Skarrow9 - if Bungie makes a whole new game, then either pretty much all of the content they’ve ever made for Destiny needs to be in it off-rip, or literally none of it should be and everything should be new, and they should refrain from re-adding that content as much as possible. I’d prefer that Destiny 3 not release and have them just slowly add old d2 stuff into like how they’ve been adding d1 stuff into d2 for years now.
Unlike borderlands where getting a legendary feels amazing everytime seeing that gold orange glown..destiny 2 its just “oh another one, time to dismantle”.
d3 needs to be either a completely new game no reissues no reprisals form d1 or d2, or everything from destiny 1 and 2 ported forward into d3 along with new things. theres no middle ground here
I could see it being us going elsewhere. Like the cabal home planet and such, and we obv lose everything excluding some stuff with the nine. Gives it a good lore reason.
Does COD let you keep your stuff in the next game? No Did Destiny 1? No Has any game ever? No. It will never happen you chose to spend the money in D2, it stays in D2. D3 would be a completely separate game.
Very well put together video, I really appreciate it when creators like yourself care enough to critique the game like this. We critique it because it’s something we love and we want it to improve
It’s so odd to me. I keep seeing “if they make a D3 let me keep my loot” “let me keep my micro transactions” and so on. What’s the point of a D3 then? Why would they make a “new” game just to let me carry your stuff over anyways. In my opinion D3 needs to be brand new. A fresh restart. Keep D2 as it is, same as D1, but give us new. New story, characters, maybe returning characters, new strikes, PVP raids etc. I know Destiny players don’t want to lose their stuff but we are getting to the point that it’s either make D3 or just keep updating D2 for years to come (like WOW). As someone who has played since Dark Below and loves to play hardcore, I want a D3 and that fresh start. And a more hardcore approach. Less “player friendly” for lack of a better word. That’s just my personal wants and I don’t expect it to happen. But that’s my D3 wish list. And more of course. I’m curious what others think as most of what I read in CB’s comments I’m on the outs. Would love to hear what you all have to say!
Making an entirely new game would be bad if all of our stuff didn’t transfer over cuz story wise us fighting the witness n whatever threat is after that n losing all of our guns is just bad. All of the exotics legendary guns, cosmetics being gone mean they will have to make completely brand new ones n it is not possible for them to give us the options we have now on a new game release. There will be a destiny 3 but it will continue in destiny 2 n there will be an engine upgrade cuz after TFS there will be a drought of big dlcs for a while n during that time they will work on a new engine to support bigger ideas and making an entirely new game on top of destiny 2 n the game will not be available on ps4 n Xbox one. Only current gen consoles so they won’t be restricted to old gen limitations. That’ll be the best of both worlds n we need an entire new journey out of the solar system
Less player friendly is a must, talking with the people I play with and we are all the super dedicated player base that does everything dropped from master raids to farming out every red border, amd what made destiny 1 special what the rush of finally being able to complete something you worked to complete for ages. Destiny 1 had far more severe content droughts and yet kept players intrigued for far longer and consistently playing more. Taking years to get all exotics when they were rare enough to be exciting to get compared to a do this quest get immediately.... the last random drop exotic in d2 is Montecarlo which was out in shadowkeep which is sad and there is no struggle anymore back then people took ages to finally get whisper because it was brutal compared to now. D1 raid ships where locked to rng from master clears not just do a master boss and get ship
That's not really the thing that will ruin d3 if it happens, they just have to make it like old d2 and support it with updates, idc if it's an exact copy of d2 with a different story, i just want an excuse to get back to this game man , I want it to be alive again,i missed doing raids with the boys , there's actually alot of things that you can add into it like more abilities or more depth into the class abilities customizations, make a whole f ing skill tree or something idk😂 bringing back the old d2 hype is something i really want to see again
The problem with the sun setting in beyond light Was that it was part of the story that you can no longer revisit along with the fact that all the seasonal content didn't stick around either. So in Destiny 1 I could go back and play from the very beginning of the game all the way to rise of iron and play the entire story. You can't do that in Destiny 2.
I’m a D1 vet with like 7K+ hours into it…. You know what I did with D2 when I got bored and burned out? Took a 2yr hiatus… bought the content and just started playing it again… now I have TONS to do. Things look new to me again and not to mention the mods and the builds now. Back then when I played, only light level and a certain weapon for a certain damage phase for a raid boss mattered. Now there’s a whole new experience opened up to me. I’m glad I took that break. Lol.
D3 better be an actual W complete ass game. Sony better take control over these execs and let the devs prove that they actually want to make a game and not a scheme. Be pro consumer , make people actually wanna play the game cause the game is undisputedly good and not cause they scheme fomo
If they make a d3, they should try and add back all old content to d2 if they can and make one final dlc to cap it off so then the whole game and its content is playable like d1 is and it should satisfy those who would want to play old content while allowing those who want to play d3 can gracefully bow out, and they can make the old content like campaigns into downloadable packs that you can install and uninstall so then you can play the content while being able to keep space down
D3 should have been a thing the moment that they decided that they needed to sunset entire storylines of the game, leaving new and returning players with no way of experiencing the events or accessing dlcs they may have paid for previously. I understanding cyling weapons in and out periodically but if you have to remove entire portions of your game, especially paid dlc, your doing something wrong.
Destiny 3 should come in about 2 years, Just hope bungie doesn't make the same mistake bringing back d1 weapons, I want new exciting powerful alien weapons with awesome sounds.
It’s not slated to be released until 2030 from what I saw. Destiny 2 got repetitive after Sunsetting and then bringing the weapons back in Brave form and having to regrind for roles. I doubt codename Payback/D3 will even make it if they don’t change stuff dramatically.
It's crazy seeing how far you have come you helped me with a couple things on destiny about 3+ years ago I think my GT was crux player at the time. love the streams when I can catch them in the UK so I'm asleep for most of them. Keep grinding brother you've come so far keep it up ❤
The crux of the issue was that it was due to memory storage issues that they had to vault most of the content. This was due to console storage limitations and download size. What they should have done is made destinations free dlc so those who want to play the old content or want to have full access to the entirety of destiny, can download that stuff.
First time seeing your page but I'm glad I was recommended this video! Prime Destiny 1 was my favorite game of all time hands down. I believe they could definitely rekindle that fire within the older players like myself with a new game by finding a way to capture the same feeling of grinding every day and putting in hundreds of hours to get that perfect hard to obtain loadout while following a captivating storyline without then sunsetting the gear to make it completely useless and under powered for the next DLC. That was my biggest problem with the game back in the day, all of that time we spent putting into the game grinding for hundreds of hours felt like a waste when all of those exotic and legendary items were surpassed by mere rare DLC loadouts that could be obtained within 3 hours of gameplay from the new DLC if you payed for it. Just felt like a slap in the face to be honest. If we could have a system where a grind was necessary and not made worthless just to force people into playing for the new DLC I would fall back in love with the game. But alas games are expensive to make and game studios and developers are forced to find creative ways to create revenue, so I understand where they come from I just wish they had found an alternative method in doing so. I don't see them fixing this issue with their DLC system however it's what killed the drive to play the game for me. Still love reminiscing on the good times of D1 though:)
i want the excitement back in a new DLC and a going for a secret exotic quest, i remember getting home from school and watching The Warmind DLC Trailer and being super excited to play it and see what there is and the secrets that are out there in the DLC, going for Sleeper, Polaris Lance and Worldline Zero... it just hit different then how it does now. I'm extremely excited for Final Shape because it reminds me of those older DLC's that were incredible and i feel like they know what they have to do this time, however i now still think it would be best for Destiny 3 to happen, we just need as fresh as a start with Destiny as we can get with having a new game in the franchise... and just hope the upper management doesn't kill the franchise more than it sounds like they already have
I remember working to get my thorn in d1 I remember finding a dude to get it with cause we needed to be in the same step in the quest I believe it was where we fought the big ogre on the moon. It was hard timing wise because I’m from California and he is from Spain. We had to have attempted that boss damn near 40+ times cause our 3 person would always just give up but when you got it omg it was such amazing feeling. So much hard work and the pay off was sooo worth it.
My biggest and only complaint I had with the BL sunsetting situation was purely the fact that a whole part of the game was removed, never the guns being sunset. I hate the fact I can't play Red War, the Levi raids, a ton of strikes, and explore a bunch of older destinations. Nothing newer feels fresh purely because I have been running the same guns for ages. For me, the sunsetting anger was never about the guns, but it was 100% about the removal of content and story.
I don't think crafting is killing the game, what is killing the game is the genre. Looter shooter are inherently hard to do because because of the constant balance issues. Destiny is at its best when we do get that power fantasy. And its at its worst when in the name of "balance" they make content, activities, weapons, abilities, useless through nerfs, or changing fundamental aspects of the game. I.E. look at Titan's and shoulder charges, sunspots etc. it isn't just content that's sunset or removed. It is also when you the player are told to play in a specific way, the "meta" way. Weapon crafting is so very limited right now n how many weapons are craft able, the HAVE to be either really good, or no one is going to use them. Which is the exact same problem with static rolled weapons, and yes, even random roll weapons. Otherwise every hand cannon would be equal in terms of use, same for every other weapon type and their respective archetypes. Same can be said about class/subclass abilities. Even with 3.0, despite have supposedly more build crafting potential, because of some horrendous nerfs, some abilities are just dead. While others are more meta than ever.
I literally cried when i got my first twilight garry it took me like at least 7 chest exotics they were an accomplishment to get in d1. we loved that grind and the challenge it made it fun now people complain and they have to make it easier for the less skilled people. dont mean it in a bad way its just the truth
Same story, the feel of getting twilight was insane, I remember when I alway was farming(thanks to xur cookies) for exotics and prayed to get chest engram, and like after 4 months, I managed to get the twilight, not only I was happy to get one, but i was happy to use it, same thing goes to graviton
@@cbgray no clue bud but I'm sure they can figure it out but I don't know say have a helmet that has 5% extra super energy passively gained it would then be up to Bungie on just how much a percentage you can actually have for such a thing because they make it so you can have 100% I just the helmet I would definitely have that on always so to speak if I can get that 0.00001% chance of it dropping for me then do the same thing with the other four pieces of armor truly a stat monster
i think weapon crafting is good but maybe make the weapons that can be crafted out of world drops that drop rarely from doing activities in patrol (with doing improvements to patrol) to make it more fun and exciting
The question for me is after we defeat the witness who is our next next major threat for destiny 3 and they need to let us players keep our stuff instead of doing what they did in year one of destiny 2 meaning taking everything we worked for
We've had such a long time of destiny 2, as fun as it is to keep getting more powerful, there is no better feeling that starting fresh. If destiny 2 had all the content from day 1 in it, then i would have started over multiple times by now.
30:07 honestly, it is something that a lot of us pointed out early on with crafting, and with shifting the experience more towards the weekend warrior, rather than the hard-core player. Like you said there’s no reason to go into patrol. There’s no reason to do any of these things that are the normal gameplay loop for this game. Then they wondering why they keep losing players, when they have completely taken the gameplay loop out of the game. I think for hard-core players, when they stop and think about it, and aren’t playing off of the sounding board of the audience, they can understand that sunsetting is extremely important. That refreshing loop pools and taking out old things is extremely important to keep a game, healthy10 years down the road.
That I agree with. Same thing with Red War. Sometimes I think certain DLCs are a product of the current systems in place (double primary, no random rolls) and current state of the core in the game.
I agree there needs to be a restart. As some who has played since the d1 beta there's not much that excites me anymore because we've been at the peak of our powers and weapons for such a long time, same mission formats same activities etc. Some of those i dont think they can fix by just doing expansions because of short the turn around is for them. Destiny is missing a lot of things where it makes for it not to do one compared to actual mmos. If they do a refresh they need to complete reinvent the game to justify it. Prismatic seems like it was meant for d3 but they moved it up that's a good start of an idea but even as it is now it still seems limited especially on titan and they haven't said if they'll expan upon it or not.
There’s a lot of things wrong with Destiny 2 at the current moment and has been for well over 4 years now. Sunsetting killed the game for the longest time, not even to mention crafting just doesn’t feel as good as getting random roles. There’s really no excitement behind going for weapons anymore and as someone who’s been around since Destiny 1, we need a complete refresh on the game. It’s just a toxic cycle of having to repay for content they vaulted and forcing players to pay $20 per dungeon key, this game is definitely not inviting for new lights that’s for sure.
@@cbgray you know, thinking he might not have made it 😞 good vid tho, can definitely relate to that "old code blowing up" point you brought up, and that was my own code from only a few months ago on a simple program!
Here’s a hot take, after the final shape campaign and worlds first raid concludes it leads into a mission that’s a cutscene where there is a live event of some sort that causes a sort of hard reset based on story
@@cbgray damn I hadn’t thought you’d reply, but yeah it would be really cool to see and would make the story feel like it had real repercussions rather than the usual “go here kill this no consequences felt” type deal
Yes just reset everyones loot the community will definitely not be outraged about that lol. The forums get literally flooded just because they timegated some weapons. Imagine how much worse it would be if they reset everyones loot
@@oxsila think I said it already but yeah it obviously would be extremely controversial that goes without saying, that being said I do feel like if everyone was wiped clean and we were somehow given a fresh slate it would make the game feel really fresh. Obviously it would suck for a bit but all things considered it solves a multitude of problems; everyone’s vault gets cleaned; everyone now has a reason to play the game lots; all the endgame content suddenly becomes much harder because everyone’s gear is overall weaker; etc. I think it’s a necessary evil for the prolonged survival of the game and a campaign that feels heavy with consequence as the end of a 10 year saga should.
I want everything I have from d2 in d3. I hate the idea of losing everything I grinded so hard for. But I love the idea of a fresh start as well. Into the light is a great example of bungie combatting the crafting problem by make loot that is desirable and hard to get.
Hopefully what D3 offers is a sustainable work flow for producing content and sticks to a long term vision. No more overpromise - underdeliver or content droughts due to restructuring of strategy.
I got 0 problem with content droughts. That's the last thing we should be worrying about. What's most important is that whatever content they put out, it should be new and quality. When you start asking for no content drought, you have to be open to reskins and rushed development tactics.
Idk why people are forgetting that a destiny 3 isn’t a new concept. bungie said a long time ago that the final shape and the episodes after weren’t the end of destiny, hell they even said they wanted to focus more on the vex. And they said this beforeee the prismatic showcase livestream
3 weeks late but great video. Makes me wonder if Bungie team has these types of conversations when developing the content. Making strikes relevant with rare Taken shader or cosmetic ornaments, curated roll etc would make the grind worth doing.
props to sweat for his level of understanding and how he took his stance but the time he chose to voice his concerns was a mistake. most people are easily blinded by “honeymoon phases” think of all the toxic relationships that people still take part in despite abuse. A couple nice words and expensive gifts goes a long ways. Witch queen release was hype and the campaign/raid was awesome. A lot of people in the community myself included were still riding the high of the release when this came out and I think thats why it faced such backlash.
Popping a 3 of coins and farming yellowbars for that mystery exotic was what made exotics special. A friend showing you the secret Black Spindle mission during a strike was mind-blowing. I didn't know about Court of Oryx for a year after buying the game because no vendor told you it even existed. The mystery and awe have gone. They give you every exotic day 1 and hide meta OP legendary's behind raids and dungeons.
5:00 I just realized that they did this same exact thing, word for word, bar for bar in Neomuna and people hated it. But it's not the idea's fault, it's the loot pools fault. The fact is that people want the weapon, not a chance at a chance of getting 1/5 of it. Rarity is cool, so is grinding, but there's a level where it gets silly. The event would have popped off harder though if the red boarder was guaranteed and you didn't need the prerequisites to participate. Difficulty was good, but the rewards were not worth the effort given how often the loot even has a chance to drop.
Let's all just chill until Destiny 2 has the vaulted content back in it all in one complete game then we can start thinking about Destiny 3. I want Destiny 3 to be a new game. Not another "Man I wish they would bring xyz from Destiny 1/2 back" Everything has to be new. No patrols, no public events. Everything has to be innovative like you have no idea what is happening mechanically. Nothing worse than knowing that every new planet is gonna have 1 planetary resource, lost sectors, patrols and public events. You know exactly what will be in it. Has to be new ideas. Not just Destiny 2 replaced by a 3.
I wouldn’t mind it being made on the same concept of fps space game with patrols and campaigns, but it definitely needs to be tackled in a way that’s completely different from how it’s ever been handled. Destiny has a lot of good basic mechanics and gameplay elements that I would hate to see just thrown out. Also unvaulting everything into one complete game at this point would cause the exact same problem with too many things to keep up to date with development wise. I wouldn’t mind having everything back if d3 was like around the corner, but I don’t want everything to come back just for pvp or strikes or anything to get completely ditched. I definitely understand where you’re coming from though
Thank you. Enough with the reprised content. As a player that started in Beyond Light, Im happy to be able to experience whisper and outbreak that are so beloved but not in d3. Ive put 2k hours in since Ive started and a blank slate would go hard. Ive come to enjoy rogue likes and ng+ in games because it keeps things fresh and experiencing new stuff consistently. Not just new planet = 3 lost sectors maybe a new public event like you said.
@@chrisrenemans5026The game eventually being 300GB is nothing. People constantly bring up the fact content was removed and its one of the main reasons the playerbase has dipped. What good is low storage space if it means you have an incohesive game?
sweatcicle has always been right. he’s been talking about this sort of thing for about 3/4 years, and people were brushing it off. but NOW everyone’s catching on. love the video 👍❤
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God bless you bro!
Take a shot every time cb says ya know
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I've been guilty of it. I think we can all use a little better articulation when speaking. Don't do the drinking challenge though.
@@mortalexo103 I use the word "like" way too often. It makes me sound dumb. Not native tho.
“you know”: the video 😭
love u cb
Gambit being an abandoned Corvette that's sounds just about right.
😢 hurts lol
I’ve come to think of it as a seasonal activity they forgot to take out of the game, and then pretend was a new core playlist activities to cover up their mistake.
It fits how they’ve treated/managed it.
I still love my vette, but I'm no mechanic maannnn
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Lmao i was just about to do this lol, 2 minutes i counted 13 i think
If they release D3, they NEED to let us do all sunset content that has been released on D2.
I think somebody said this, maybe Skarrow9 - if Bungie makes a whole new game, then either pretty much all of the content they’ve ever made for Destiny needs to be in it off-rip, or literally none of it should be and everything should be new, and they should refrain from re-adding that content as much as possible.
I’d prefer that Destiny 3 not release and have them just slowly add old d2 stuff into like how they’ve been adding d1 stuff into d2 for years now.
I’m for that lol can we get d1 on pc too 🥺😂
@@cbgray Yes! Destiny 1 on PC would be amazing. I have my xbox just so I can still play D1 😆🙌 It’s wishful thinking, but we can hope.
@@yourewrong9028 That would be nice for sure! :)
@@cbgray even if Bungie switched game engine alone it could be easier for them to make dlc without bugs and probably cheaper
shout out to the most supportive friends cb what a guy
Shoutout to when Bungie legit said they weren’t making a destiny 3
they arn't making a destiny 3. but we will see what Luke Smith says in the coming weeks about it.
I miss how rare exotics were in destiny 1 it made them so special if you got one
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Unlike borderlands where getting a legendary feels amazing everytime seeing that gold orange glown..destiny 2 its just “oh another one, time to dismantle”.
Disagree with this take. My 65 runs of Oryx with ToM says very different
@@MaadeInHeaven Eh? Borderlands has one of the worst cases of "garbage... delete. garbage... delete" in the looter shooter genre
@@oxsila borderlands 3 yes 2 and 1 no
d3 needs to be either a completely new game no reissues no reprisals form d1 or d2, or everything from destiny 1 and 2 ported forward into d3 along with new things. theres no middle ground here
And it would be neither of those, It may even be similar to how it was for Destiny 2 launch, which is why I'm confused why people want this now.
Bundling all that content together and releasing it as one game sounds like a sick af idea!
@@emera1d470because genuinely nothing beats the hype of a new destiny game where everyone starts at 0 and grinds for the next best thing.
I could see it being us going elsewhere. Like the cabal home planet and such, and we obv lose everything excluding some stuff with the nine. Gives it a good lore reason.
@@chrisrenemans5026 the nine are our planets basically, so if we move system we loose them aswell i guess?
Only way im gonna be happy with a d3 is if i can transfer all of my micro transactions over to it
That would require re buying the rights to certain crossovers. Not something Bungie would do.
Nah bro that $300 on dlcs alone better come with it
Does COD let you keep your stuff in the next game? No Did Destiny 1? No Has any game ever? No. It will never happen you chose to spend the money in D2, it stays in D2. D3 would be a completely separate game.
@@Mashangicod has started doing that though
@@Mashangicod is doing that with skins bro
Very well put together video, I really appreciate it when creators like yourself care enough to critique the game like this. We critique it because it’s something we love and we want it to improve
Yes everything comes out of genuine love for the game. Thank you for watching and for the kind words
It’s so odd to me. I keep seeing “if they make a D3 let me keep my loot” “let me keep my micro transactions” and so on. What’s the point of a D3 then? Why would they make a “new” game just to let me carry your stuff over anyways. In my opinion D3 needs to be brand new. A fresh restart. Keep D2 as it is, same as D1, but give us new. New story, characters, maybe returning characters, new strikes, PVP raids etc. I know Destiny players don’t want to lose their stuff but we are getting to the point that it’s either make D3 or just keep updating D2 for years to come (like WOW). As someone who has played since Dark Below and loves to play hardcore, I want a D3 and that fresh start. And a more hardcore approach. Less “player friendly” for lack of a better word. That’s just my personal wants and I don’t expect it to happen. But that’s my D3 wish list. And more of course. I’m curious what others think as most of what I read in CB’s comments I’m on the outs. Would love to hear what you all have to say!
Making an entirely new game would be bad if all of our stuff didn’t transfer over cuz story wise us fighting the witness n whatever threat is after that n losing all of our guns is just bad. All of the exotics legendary guns, cosmetics being gone mean they will have to make completely brand new ones n it is not possible for them to give us the options we have now on a new game release. There will be a destiny 3 but it will continue in destiny 2 n there will be an engine upgrade cuz after TFS there will be a drought of big dlcs for a while n during that time they will work on a new engine to support bigger ideas and making an entirely new game on top of destiny 2 n the game will not be available on ps4 n Xbox one. Only current gen consoles so they won’t be restricted to old gen limitations. That’ll be the best of both worlds n we need an entire new journey out of the solar system
Less player friendly is a must, talking with the people I play with and we are all the super dedicated player base that does everything dropped from master raids to farming out every red border, amd what made destiny 1 special what the rush of finally being able to complete something you worked to complete for ages. Destiny 1 had far more severe content droughts and yet kept players intrigued for far longer and consistently playing more. Taking years to get all exotics when they were rare enough to be exciting to get compared to a do this quest get immediately.... the last random drop exotic in d2 is Montecarlo which was out in shadowkeep which is sad and there is no struggle anymore back then people took ages to finally get whisper because it was brutal compared to now. D1 raid ships where locked to rng from master clears not just do a master boss and get ship
Only thing i would want them to bring over is my titles and seals
@@pahaninYT That I agree with, literally just my title and that's it. Even leave behind triumph score
That's not really the thing that will ruin d3 if it happens, they just have to make it like old d2 and support it with updates, idc if it's an exact copy of d2 with a different story, i just want an excuse to get back to this game man , I want it to be alive again,i missed doing raids with the boys , there's actually alot of things that you can add into it like more abilities or more depth into the class abilities customizations, make a whole f ing skill tree or something idk😂 bringing back the old d2 hype is something i really want to see again
The problem with the sun setting in beyond light Was that it was part of the story that you can no longer revisit along with the fact that all the seasonal content didn't stick around either. So in Destiny 1 I could go back and play from the very beginning of the game all the way to rise of iron and play the entire story. You can't do that in Destiny 2.
i love the way you explain and break information down man 10/10 keep it up
That means a lot thank you so much!
Even when CB saying people need to apologise and defending his friend. He is still smiling. Always Smiling. Great Friend :)
This man's voice is as smooth as butter.
Much love thank you!
I’m a D1 vet with like 7K+ hours into it…. You know what I did with D2 when I got bored and burned out? Took a 2yr hiatus… bought the content and just started playing it again… now I have TONS to do. Things look new to me again and not to mention the mods and the builds now. Back then when I played, only light level and a certain weapon for a certain damage phase for a raid boss mattered. Now there’s a whole new experience opened up to me.
I’m glad I took that break. Lol.
I see Eli in Cb’s room as a thumbnail…I knew something was up.
D3 better be an actual W complete ass game. Sony better take control over these execs and let the devs prove that they actually want to make a game and not a scheme. Be pro consumer , make people actually wanna play the game cause the game is undisputedly good and not cause they scheme fomo
CB always being a real bro
Much love ❤️
If they make a d3, they should try and add back all old content to d2 if they can and make one final dlc to cap it off so then the whole game and its content is playable like d1 is and it should satisfy those who would want to play old content while allowing those who want to play d3 can gracefully bow out, and they can make the old content like campaigns into downloadable packs that you can install and uninstall so then you can play the content while being able to keep space down
We need more sweat, CB and Evan videos ❤️❤️❤️
I'll never forget how the taken king took my devil you know hand cannon.
Destiny 3 is the REAL Destiny 2 killer
Would be very funny if the whole joke of "the only destiny 2 killer is bungie" comes to fruition in a positive way
@@Fuer64 real
D3 should have been a thing the moment that they decided that they needed to sunset entire storylines of the game, leaving new and returning players with no way of experiencing the events or accessing dlcs they may have paid for previously. I understanding cyling weapons in and out periodically but if you have to remove entire portions of your game, especially paid dlc, your doing something wrong.
That video poster had me like LOL
Destiny 3 should come in about 2 years, Just hope bungie doesn't make the same mistake bringing back d1 weapons, I want new exciting powerful alien weapons with awesome sounds.
Yeah all the new stuff sounds dope but the old stuff sounds olllldd
It’s not slated to be released until 2030 from what I saw. Destiny 2 got repetitive after Sunsetting and then bringing the weapons back in Brave form and having to regrind for roles. I doubt codename Payback/D3 will even make it if they don’t change stuff dramatically.
"just yeeted to the shadow realm" 😂😢
Haha wasn't sure how else to put it
Love the classic in the background!
I miss when I'd drop in on cosmodrome and a random taken ultra boss would spawn in
i thought this was gonna be about the ketchup
I’m for ketchup and some fries 🍟
It would be cool if we could get a statue in game based on your destiny 1 - 2 characters so you can remember them in Destiny 3.
Damn coming back to D2, I watched you years and years ago on the come up, congrats on 200k+, I remember those live streams grinding
Love your takes as always CB
It's crazy seeing how far you have come you helped me with a couple things on destiny about 3+ years ago I think my GT was crux player at the time. love the streams when I can catch them in the UK so I'm asleep for most of them. Keep grinding brother you've come so far keep it up ❤
That young whippersnapper was right then and right now!
The crux of the issue was that it was due to memory storage issues that they had to vault most of the content. This was due to console storage limitations and download size. What they should have done is made destinations free dlc so those who want to play the old content or want to have full access to the entirety of destiny, can download that stuff.
That does explain constant error codes, buggy lobbies and constant maintenance.
yeah it's just my theory but it would check out haha
First time seeing your page but I'm glad I was recommended this video! Prime Destiny 1 was my favorite game of all time hands down. I believe they could definitely rekindle that fire within the older players like myself with a new game by finding a way to capture the same feeling of grinding every day and putting in hundreds of hours to get that perfect hard to obtain loadout while following a captivating storyline without then sunsetting the gear to make it completely useless and under powered for the next DLC. That was my biggest problem with the game back in the day, all of that time we spent putting into the game grinding for hundreds of hours felt like a waste when all of those exotic and legendary items were surpassed by mere rare DLC loadouts that could be obtained within 3 hours of gameplay from the new DLC if you payed for it. Just felt like a slap in the face to be honest. If we could have a system where a grind was necessary and not made worthless just to force people into playing for the new DLC I would fall back in love with the game. But alas games are expensive to make and game studios and developers are forced to find creative ways to create revenue, so I understand where they come from I just wish they had found an alternative method in doing so. I don't see them fixing this issue with their DLC system however it's what killed the drive to play the game for me. Still love reminiscing on the good times of D1 though:)
i want the excitement back in a new DLC and a going for a secret exotic quest, i remember getting home from school and watching The Warmind DLC Trailer and being super excited to play it and see what there is and the secrets that are out there in the DLC, going for Sleeper, Polaris Lance and Worldline Zero... it just hit different then how it does now. I'm extremely excited for Final Shape because it reminds me of those older DLC's that were incredible and i feel like they know what they have to do this time, however i now still think it would be best for Destiny 3 to happen, we just need as fresh as a start with Destiny as we can get with having a new game in the franchise... and just hope the upper management doesn't kill the franchise more than it sounds like they already have
I remember working to get my thorn in d1 I remember finding a dude to get it with cause we needed to be in the same step in the quest I believe it was where we fought the big ogre on the moon. It was hard timing wise because I’m from California and he is from Spain. We had to have attempted that boss damn near 40+ times cause our 3 person would always just give up but when you got it omg it was such amazing feeling. So much hard work and the pay off was sooo worth it.
i still remember my 1st exotic in D1 being the last word, in D2 i cant even remember my most recent
Probably one they just give you for doing nothing
Bro said “you know” 5 times in one sentence 😂😂😂
Love your d2 vids best vids that help me out in the game tho
I really appreciate it that means the world!
i love cb and sweat so much
I love you ❤️
@cbgray I always love u cb keep the good working going I been here for u a long time and I will continue to be here for you
My biggest and only complaint I had with the BL sunsetting situation was purely the fact that a whole part of the game was removed, never the guns being sunset. I hate the fact I can't play Red War, the Levi raids, a ton of strikes, and explore a bunch of older destinations. Nothing newer feels fresh purely because I have been running the same guns for ages. For me, the sunsetting anger was never about the guns, but it was 100% about the removal of content and story.
I don't think crafting is killing the game, what is killing the game is the genre. Looter shooter are inherently hard to do because because of the constant balance issues. Destiny is at its best when we do get that power fantasy. And its at its worst when in the name of "balance" they make content, activities, weapons, abilities, useless through nerfs, or changing fundamental aspects of the game. I.E. look at Titan's and shoulder charges, sunspots etc. it isn't just content that's sunset or removed. It is also when you the player are told to play in a specific way, the "meta" way. Weapon crafting is so very limited right now n how many weapons are craft able, the HAVE to be either really good, or no one is going to use them. Which is the exact same problem with static rolled weapons, and yes, even random roll weapons. Otherwise every hand cannon would be equal in terms of use, same for every other weapon type and their respective archetypes. Same can be said about class/subclass abilities. Even with 3.0, despite have supposedly more build crafting potential, because of some horrendous nerfs, some abilities are just dead. While others are more meta than ever.
I literally cried when i got my first twilight garry it took me like at least 7 chest exotics they were an accomplishment to get in d1. we loved that grind and the challenge it made it fun now people complain and they have to make it easier for the less skilled people. dont mean it in a bad way its just the truth
bro I don't have time to grind 40 hrs for one exotic lmao
Same story, the feel of getting twilight was insane, I remember when I alway was farming(thanks to xur cookies) for exotics and prayed to get chest engram, and like after 4 months, I managed to get the twilight, not only I was happy to get one, but i was happy to use it, same thing goes to graviton
The real issue is there's no minor stats for any of our weapons and armor to go beyond what they can already do
That could be cool What type of stats are you thinking?
@@cbgray no clue bud but I'm sure they can figure it out but I don't know say have a helmet that has 5% extra super energy passively gained it would then be up to Bungie on just how much a percentage you can actually have for such a thing because they make it so you can have 100% I just the helmet I would definitely have that on always so to speak if I can get that 0.00001% chance of it dropping for me then do the same thing with the other four pieces of armor truly a stat monster
@@princeeclipse12would be really cool man! Thank you for watching!
i aint paying as much as i had
He was 2 years ahead of the curve, me and my buddy talk about pretty much the same subject once in a while.
Take us back to the “two tokens and a blue” era for a major reset
i think weapon crafting is good but maybe make the weapons that can be crafted out of world drops that drop rarely from doing activities in patrol (with doing improvements to patrol) to make it more fun and exciting
The question for me is after we defeat the witness who is our next next major threat for destiny 3 and they need to let us players keep our stuff instead of doing what they did in year one of destiny 2 meaning taking everything we worked for
It’s probably gonna be a some new vex combat frame
CB restores my faith in humanity ❤
Much love ❤️
I would LOVE a fresh Destiny start.
Wait, are you two like legit brothers?! That's awesome! Even if you're just friends and have a living situation together, that's dope
11:00 simple solution to sunsetting: sunset old gen consoles.
Dang bro “you know” “you know” “you know” lol
Bro said you know like a thousand times 😂
I counted 2 thousand!
sweat looking into my soul cured my depression
I would love to see D3 with all d1 and 2 content in it
1:40 what is the “you know” counter up until 2:10?
a million
We've had such a long time of destiny 2, as fun as it is to keep getting more powerful, there is no better feeling that starting fresh. If destiny 2 had all the content from day 1 in it, then i would have started over multiple times by now.
FACTS
The mountain grenade launcher
What headphone is that you wearing?
As long as I can be a combat astronaut like I am right now I guess I would be okay starting over in a new destiny.
30:07 honestly, it is something that a lot of us pointed out early on with crafting, and with shifting the experience more towards the weekend warrior, rather than the hard-core player. Like you said there’s no reason to go into patrol. There’s no reason to do any of these things that are the normal gameplay loop for this game. Then they wondering why they keep losing players, when they have completely taken the gameplay loop out of the game. I think for hard-core players, when they stop and think about it, and aren’t playing off of the sounding board of the audience, they can understand that sunsetting is extremely important. That refreshing loop pools and taking out old things is extremely important to keep a game, healthy10 years down the road.
How did u see the dislikes? I thought UA-cam turned off showing dislikes over a year ago and I haven’t been able to see them since.
Chrome add-ons
To me, I personally believe that Witch Queen would’ve prospered in a Destiny 3
That I agree with. Same thing with Red War. Sometimes I think certain DLCs are a product of the current systems in place (double primary, no random rolls) and current state of the core in the game.
When the planet has secrets is when it's fun
I agree there needs to be a restart. As some who has played since the d1 beta there's not much that excites me anymore because we've been at the peak of our powers and weapons for such a long time, same mission formats same activities etc. Some of those i dont think they can fix by just doing expansions because of short the turn around is for them. Destiny is missing a lot of things where it makes for it not to do one compared to actual mmos. If they do a refresh they need to complete reinvent the game to justify it. Prismatic seems like it was meant for d3 but they moved it up that's a good start of an idea but even as it is now it still seems limited especially on titan and they haven't said if they'll expan upon it or not.
There’s a lot of things wrong with Destiny 2 at the current moment and has been for well over 4 years now. Sunsetting killed the game for the longest time, not even to mention crafting just doesn’t feel as good as getting random roles. There’s really no excitement behind going for weapons anymore and as someone who’s been around since Destiny 1, we need a complete refresh on the game. It’s just a toxic cycle of having to repay for content they vaulted and forcing players to pay $20 per dungeon key, this game is definitely not inviting for new lights that’s for sure.
I'm taking a shot every time he says "you know"
How did that go for you? Lol
@@cbgray you know, thinking he might not have made it 😞
good vid tho, can definitely relate to that "old code blowing up" point you brought up, and that was my own code from only a few months ago on a simple program!
Here’s a hot take, after the final shape campaign and worlds first raid concludes it leads into a mission that’s a cutscene where there is a live event of some sort that causes a sort of hard reset based on story
Not even a hot take I would LOVE that
@@cbgray damn I hadn’t thought you’d reply, but yeah it would be really cool to see and would make the story feel like it had real repercussions rather than the usual “go here kill this no consequences felt” type deal
Yes just reset everyones loot the community will definitely not be outraged about that lol. The forums get literally flooded just because they timegated some weapons. Imagine how much worse it would be if they reset everyones loot
@@oxsila think I said it already but yeah it obviously would be extremely controversial that goes without saying, that being said I do feel like if everyone was wiped clean and we were somehow given a fresh slate it would make the game feel really fresh. Obviously it would suck for a bit but all things considered it solves a multitude of problems; everyone’s vault gets cleaned; everyone now has a reason to play the game lots; all the endgame content suddenly becomes much harder because everyone’s gear is overall weaker; etc.
I think it’s a necessary evil for the prolonged survival of the game and a campaign that feels heavy with consequence as the end of a 10 year saga should.
That TV it's a dinosaur 😂😂😂
You bring up old consoles and yes I agree while the game does run well on my PS4, the load times are very telling.
I remember the icebreaker and Gjallahorn grind.
1:50 the amount of “you know ”s
It was a lot lol
@@cbgray almost as many as a Boruto episode
I want everything I have from d2 in d3. I hate the idea of losing everything I grinded so hard for. But I love the idea of a fresh start as well. Into the light is a great example of bungie combatting the crafting problem by make loot that is desirable and hard to get.
Title ahould be "The casuals were wrong"
D2 community has dementia I swear. They flip flop on everything. Even things they ask bungie for. Also 100% agree with your points on sunsetting.
You didn't make a point. He actaully lied.
They never even brought back the maps they took away from Gambit for some reason.
Hopefully what D3 offers is a sustainable work flow for producing content and sticks to a long term vision. No more overpromise - underdeliver or content droughts due to restructuring of strategy.
I got 0 problem with content droughts. That's the last thing we should be worrying about. What's most important is that whatever content they put out, it should be new and quality. When you start asking for no content drought, you have to be open to reskins and rushed development tactics.
Maybe code name Payback is the new game Marathon.
Except Marathon is the actual name of the game lol its already been revealed theres no reason to code name it
Smooth entertaining ahh voice
Planets go yeeted to the shadowrealm
The good ole shadow realm lol
Idk why people are forgetting that a destiny 3 isn’t a new concept. bungie said a long time ago that the final shape and the episodes after weren’t the end of destiny, hell they even said they wanted to focus more on the vex. And they said this beforeee the prismatic showcase livestream
3 weeks late but great video. Makes me wonder if Bungie team has these types of conversations when developing the content. Making strikes relevant with rare Taken shader or cosmetic ornaments, curated roll etc would make the grind worth doing.
8:06 Totally agree
props to sweat for his level of understanding and how he took his stance but the time he chose to voice his concerns was a mistake. most people are easily blinded by “honeymoon phases” think of all the toxic relationships that people still take part in despite abuse. A couple nice words and expensive gifts goes a long ways. Witch queen release was hype and the campaign/raid was awesome. A lot of people in the community myself included were still riding the high of the release when this came out and I think thats why it faced such backlash.
Popping a 3 of coins and farming yellowbars for that mystery exotic was what made exotics special. A friend showing you the secret Black Spindle mission during a strike was mind-blowing. I didn't know about Court of Oryx for a year after buying the game because no vendor told you it even existed. The mystery and awe have gone. They give you every exotic day 1 and hide meta OP legendary's behind raids and dungeons.
5:00 I just realized that they did this same exact thing, word for word, bar for bar in Neomuna and people hated it. But it's not the idea's fault, it's the loot pools fault. The fact is that people want the weapon, not a chance at a chance of getting 1/5 of it. Rarity is cool, so is grinding, but there's a level where it gets silly. The event would have popped off harder though if the red boarder was guaranteed and you didn't need the prerequisites to participate. Difficulty was good, but the rewards were not worth the effort given how often the loot even has a chance to drop.
Let's all just chill until Destiny 2 has the vaulted content back in it all in one complete game then we can start thinking about Destiny 3. I want Destiny 3 to be a new game. Not another "Man I wish they would bring xyz from Destiny 1/2 back"
Everything has to be new. No patrols, no public events. Everything has to be innovative like you have no idea what is happening mechanically. Nothing worse than knowing that every new planet is gonna have 1 planetary resource, lost sectors, patrols and public events. You know exactly what will be in it.
Has to be new ideas. Not just Destiny 2 replaced by a 3.
I wouldn’t mind it being made on the same concept of fps space game with patrols and campaigns, but it definitely needs to be tackled in a way that’s completely different from how it’s ever been handled. Destiny has a lot of good basic mechanics and gameplay elements that I would hate to see just thrown out. Also unvaulting everything into one complete game at this point would cause the exact same problem with too many things to keep up to date with development wise. I wouldn’t mind having everything back if d3 was like around the corner, but I don’t want everything to come back just for pvp or strikes or anything to get completely ditched. I definitely understand where you’re coming from though
Yeah I can’t wait for destiny 2 to be 300 go
Thank you. Enough with the reprised content. As a player that started in Beyond Light, Im happy to be able to experience whisper and outbreak that are so beloved but not in d3. Ive put 2k hours in since Ive started and a blank slate would go hard.
Ive come to enjoy rogue likes and ng+ in games because it keeps things fresh and experiencing new stuff consistently. Not just new planet = 3 lost sectors maybe a new public event like you said.
@@chrisrenemans5026The game eventually being 300GB is nothing. People constantly bring up the fact content was removed and its one of the main reasons the playerbase has dipped. What good is low storage space if it means you have an incohesive game?
@@oxsila yeah, people left because they couldn't play the game mode from 5 years ago that they already have every God roll from...
sweatcicle has always been right. he’s been talking about this sort of thing for about 3/4 years, and people were brushing it off. but NOW everyone’s catching on. love the video 👍❤
wish I had good friends like you cb
you are bringing positivity to this community good job
The moment Destiny added crafting ik it was gg from than because I foreseen crafting defeating the whole purpose of grinding
Me never having owned forbearance: 😢
I'm glad you can get it in Into the Light!
I’ve never been this early. Love ya cb.
Yo you should do a last alive challenge in the electro room of the new zero hour mission I did it with friends and it was crazy fun