Why Australia And China Can't Quite Get Along
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2022
- It's been a half century since Australia and China established formal relations, but neither side is really celebrating. After several years of growing tensions, the potential for a reset under Australia's new Labor government is in question as trade sanctions remain and diplomatic disputes persist.
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Now China buy iron ore from Guinea Africa.
i, Hope China will NEVER buy anything from Australia from here and now Onwards for FOREVER!!!
Nt jus Africa, Brazil. South Africa & basically all others part of the world Xcept.............. *AUSTRALIA* !!! (the Land of down Under)
Indeed. not only that, they have also found a huge Coal reserve and will reduce also the dependence to coal from Australia. Problem is that Australia is too tight with US hegemony and strategy to eliminate everyone that bare to compete with them.
@@geektechpow4537 I, Hope that NEVER trade with the Australians! Ever, again. They're jus Britsh ConVicTs & part of America's Blood Brothers.!!!
Cut all trade with australia
@ sammy tanzo. "Cut all trade with au..." winnie would if he could but he can't. CCP China imports 80 % of its food and energy. Its needs are so great that it can't aford to cut off its most proximate supplier of the quality of ore and coal, not to mention grain and other foods, that CCP needs. You, though, comment like an angry little child whose mother has told her / him that she / he can't have a second bowl of ice cream.
As an Aussie I agree. Let's completely de couple our economies. Then we won't have anything left to quarrel over.
China's construction industry would collapse, and both economies would hit a recession...
GREAT IDEA
because Australia does not take the actions necessary to defend itself with by its own means. They must cry out for US help, this way aligning itself immediately against china...
AUKUS has been formed, where there will be three-way technology transfers. Australia is a pioneer in radar, AI drones and scramjets. Ausmin just confirmed AUKUS expectations, Australia and the United States will integrate their military industrial complexes. Dec. 2022.
@@petersinclair3997 Australia (actually all countries) should hear the advice of a former US president "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none" Thomas Jefferson.
@@zecouves673 and so should CCP. It might be too late, now. US companies are pulling out of China and orders from the US are down 40 %. Australia now sells coal and ore into new markets. The World has learned not to trust CCP
Very true. I am Australian and ashamed of our politicians for doing the Americans dirty work.
@@johnbodman4504 "Very true. I am Australian and ashamed of.." You repeat the iconic words "I am Australian". You get priority for that. If it's true, then, you are among the few of us who are the most blessed in history. That said, the discounts start. "ashamed of our politicians for doing the Americans dirty work." Ah, a wumoa pretending to be Australian or, more likely, a Singaporese or Malaysian schoolgirl, a pinky. Let me give you the benefit of the doubt. If you really are, as you claim, an Australian, I don't believe it, then which Politician said what and why do you disagree ?
Just look at Europe which has blindly followed the US into self destruction as an example.😂😂😂
Let them continue followed the US then. Don't Voice OUT! Let them Destroy themselves, Naturally😅🤣😂
Let them be!
Let them (Europe) blindly followed US to self- destruction without the interference of CHINA doing so!!! 🤭🤭🤭
@@michaelb247 its ONLY a matter of TIME - ALL USA' Allies will be Burnt to H3LL :(
Stop trying to play the victim like a school yard bully who didn't expect the people you bullied to retaliate against you.
~ that's AUSTRALIA's British Convict Tactic & Style!
I am Australian and I agree with you.
1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a
halt.
1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard
landing
1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a
dangerous period of sluggish growth.
1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for
the Chinese economy.
2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard
landing risk coffin.
2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in
China.
2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a
Soft Economic Landing
2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing if
China..
2004. The Economist: The great fall of China?
2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in
China
2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft
Landing?
2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China
avoid a hard landing?
2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China?
2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a
way to recover.
2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China.
2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think
2012. American Interest:
2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China?
2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a
way to recover.
2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China.
2011. Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be
Closer Than You Think
2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from
China: A Hard Landing
2013. Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China
2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China.
2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A
Chinese Hard Landing ..
2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China
2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To
Crash?
2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the
Chinese Debt Crisis
2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started?
2022. Cathie Wood: China's COLLAPSE Is FAR Worse
Than You Think
2022. Business Basics: China's Economic Crisis, GDP is
Crashing, Protests Everywhere. China's financial
Fantastic.
😂😂
The history talks the truth....😁
the financial tsunami of 2008 showed the world what US really is, and it got worse after that. just look at their national debts piled up year after year.
China bought $900B of US debts to bailout US in 2008 that's why China has so much US debts.
all the US officials wanted to talk to China, for what? asking a soon-to-be collapsed country and adversary for a bailout? LOL
Haha funny, why haven crash
AUKUS wasn't mentioned
and thats what china doesent want.. Nuclear subs with highly enriched uraniam to 98% available for nuclear warheads!
@@jasoar1563 Sounds like something you want. Nuclear shills can all go clean the nuclear wastes in person instead of trying to burry the problem below ground and in a few generations contaminate our limited fresh water supply and marine ecosystem. I already don't eat fish often because of forever chemicals and of course y'all like the idea of sprinkling some extra uranium plutonium on top.
@Dennis Estrada excuse me, what?
AUKUS SHOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.
The problem with Australia is it does not have an independent foreign policy.
You can never appease a brutal authoritarian regime.
Australia Criticized India for many thinks bt India nvr halted any economic ties.
What Australia have realized now, should have been realized yrs ago, that China isn’t not a dependable-trustable Partner.
Australia has an independent foreign policy. The problem is it's just independent from China. Being independent from China is still a legitimate independent foreign policy.
@@lachlansydney2149 independent? if the US tell the OZ to jump, the OZ will say how high. is that what you called independent. lol
@@hasnat9545 be realistic. no country on this planet is so called dependable-trustable partner. you are so naive
unfortunately, they need to learn to say no, just like india saying NO to USA. india will buy russian oil.
China can easily claim Australia as their land if it wants. Support China from south Korea
🇨🇳🤝🏻🇰🇷
China can't even get past the first island chain
@@lachlansydney2149 due to UN's pressure. Your only 20 millions nation can easily be asians' prey lol
@@Indonesianexterminator
What claim does China have over Australia.
Support from Singapore too🤝🤝
@@celestinaphang4528 indeed! Let Asia soak off such a barren land!
Australia is between a rock and a wall with regards to its relation between US and China. It's geographic location is in Asia, it's most attractive market is in Asia with China being its largest pie but it's foreign policy under US command is constantly antagonistic towards China.
And China, whether we like it or not is one of the two main engines that drive the global economy and single handedly the main engine of growth for the entire Asia. The late Singapore PM Mr. LKY did put it bluntly in the past saying that Australia need to play its card well with China and ASEAN, if not, it may risk ended up becoming the white trash of Asia. Perhaps what LKY said was not the most pleasant thing to hear but Australian have to figure out carefully where they are going to place the bet for the long term, it is their choice and they are responsible for the eventual outcome .
the Ozzies and Kiwis colonizers are the Caucasians live amongst the seas of non-whites. it seems the Kiwis are more sensible and bit smarter than the Ozzies. they stood up for what they believe in early on and they have the confidence the Ozzies' lack. the Kiwis are nicer people too.
Famously quoted & proven
"To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal"
You can never appease a brutal authoritarian regime.
Australia Criticized India for many thinks bt India nvr halted any economic ties.
What Australia have realized now, should have been realized yrs ago, that China isn’t not a dependable-trustable Partner.
Who makes deals with the US is highly suspicious - because that's supporting a genocidal system.
China won’t be a growth engine going forward so the iron ore buys will eventually dissipate as they fall into irrelevance
Let's start by give your land back to the Aboriginal.
this is One of the BEST comments I've heard so far👍
When you stop murdering female babies, muslims and billionaires.... come talk about social policy.
@@nswpublicservant Asked you Looking at a Mirror.! (When commenting THIS) ??????!!!!
@@nswpublicservant Am S0RRY🙏
~ your Talking about Australians, or Americans or British OR ALL (3) *Threee* .!!!!
@@nswpublicservant am S0RRY🙏🙏🙏
~ are you toking abt Americans ?????! Australians ????! OR BRITISH, NO NOOO NO NOOOO NO! or ALL *(3) Three of THEM* ???!
😅🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cut all trade
Yeah, ask Australia to cut it right now.
Australia needs Chinese money
Australia is a developed country , China is a developing country.
@@lachlansydney2149 developing country ? What “developing” country can afford a space station and an expanding navy ? For all the boasting by the sino simps, Chinese citizens still live like 3rd world people but are too frightened to complain
@@lachlansydney2149 lol
And China needs our resources.
@@hankjones3527 For the time being but I'd prefer that we stopped exporting ore and coal in such huge amounts but mine and process here and export value added, to more sophisticated markets than CCP China. Who cares if Forrest and Hancock's billions are added to.
Great work 🥳 Thank you 💜
We aborigines in Australia originated from China. Its our great great ancestors homeland. When will the anglo criminal leave our land after robbing it from us. Get lost. The chinese are our brothers and you are our invaders. Get lost already. Haven’t you stole enough? Go back to England now!!!! Get losttttt… our land is not your playground. Our sacred land was so peaceful until you criminals came and took it from us. Get losttttttt!!!!!!!
Beyond politics, I am not sure about the sentiment of Australians: you knew your economic growth was with China (the only western nation growing at 5% per year GDP for a decade), when you errupt your difference with China so violently, that economic growth and orders from China will be taken away. like a switch on and off.
Yet many Australians demonstrate very Childish mentality of want to eat the cake and have it, while cherishing the Hard unnegotiating stance yet still want to keep getting China to favor their goods and service. You make a choice and there are consequence. Is it so hard to understand?
Put China in Australia's Place and Australia in China & think what will happen.
So, when a world-crippling virus is first detected in China and Australia says there should be an independent investigation, the CCP is not being childish at imposing tariffs because it makes them lose face? Even though that's what should be done no matter which country, but especially in a country known for not disclosing information. Like a kid who's blamed for a foul at a soccer match and then decides to stop playing, taking away his ball...
@@lordvaldivia u r right
Australia is in Asia, is it a western nation because it has white people...and the term WEST simply a pseudonym for WHITE?
well said
I am a Maksysian, we see Australia is the errand boy of USA, it remains and will live with it.
I remember going to Malaysia and there was a local guy with a captive monkey. For 20 cents he would order the poor creature up a tree to pick a fresh coconut for tourists. The monkey would throw the coconut towards its owner, I think the monkey was aiming for the Malaysian's head!.....To this day I am still trying to guess which one was actually the monkey!....
@@weshuggie Lol. You just became my favorite human, Shuggie.
@@weshuggie WTF................r u even barking at ???! None of these even make senses???!
@@weshuggie 🤣😅🤣😅🤣😂.............all I see *WORDS* but not a single *Meaning* !!!! Don't used Fake_ Acc. to thumbs up & reply your OWN Comments. Its disgsuting😅🤣🤣😂!
@@brendanburrows3217 referring back to my previous comment,......were you one of those monkeys by any chance?.......I have absolutely no idea what you are mumbling about!.....do you want me to call a vet?.
Keep dialogues open. Thank you for this reporting. 👍
Australia has always been a lackey to the US. Just look at how they played France out on the submarine deal.
as one writer pointed out, the Ozzies felt abandoned because Australia was a penal colony and their homeland thousands of miles away. then the British empire collapsed. the American empire will follow the Brits' footsteps too. LOL
of course you have to be realistic, what are we meant to do, we have to play both sides we have to keep the American's close diplomatically. there's no going it alone out here mate.
Would you have stuck with the conventional option if it was your choice?
@@hdmccart6735 i dont know enough to make the decision either way, based on what i know id have kept the agreement.
@@jasonmckay8793 Hey, my reply was aimed at the OP. Having said that, the nuclear option is a far superior choice at a purely tactical/strategic level. The Collins present a real headache to China but any nuke option amplifies that considerably, cheers.
I love the way these Western "analysts" mouth the word "Rules" so freely. What are the "rules". The Rules that say the USA should decide what everyone else can or cannot do? The Rules that say the USA can invade any smaller countries to push its own agenda and advance ots own interest and dominance? The Rules that say that the USA can ignore the rulings of any global agencies, if its findings are not to USA likings. The Rules that say it is perfectly fine for the USA to sanction global agencies investigators should the target of investigation is USA or its personnel?
Tell me what "rules'?
America’s only in that situation because it was attacked by Japan and Germany and nearly all US wars have been defensive, to protect itself or allies or under ‘right to protect.’ Imagine the nightmare planet it would be if the CCP and Putin were running things. The whole world would be like Ukraine.
Now you got. If you already knew the rules, why break it? Bunch of cheaters.
China behaves exactly the same.
The rules are simple. "Do what you told"
Rules are made by the winner for the loser. The US sees itself as the winner.
The problem is basically Australia has been wedded to USA foreign policy and what has happened reflects the current USA China mutual aggression.
not really mutual, only one of the two is sending aircraft carriers to the other's coastline
@@levelazn I don't necessarily disagree, however it's not technically a coastline.
@@kenambo Ask yourself why the US sends warships to the Taiwan Straits.
@@kenambo 16 miles off from fujian provincial city is not coastline ?
How come Australians don't speak against America's racism issues? Are those not human right issues too?
cause they're part of it! They're Blood- brothers!
cause they're One of them & equally Racist...?!
No, not even remotely on the same scale as CCP persecutions
@@quadq6598 and who told you that? The West?
that the disrespect they have for human or they are more ill educated they never go against each other
Iron ore bully not mentioned ... Prices kept jumping upwards, now buying more from where?
the Iron ore bully always think that They are in- the upperhand! SADLY, China found their own Brazil markets ^^ !!!
~ along with South Africa :)
@@Vivianwong123 Brazil and South Africa are on the other side of the World and of lower quality. CCP’s economy is failing, it can’t afford Australian ore and can’t afford to go on building bridges to nowhere and ghost cities.
@@Vivianwong123 That's a lie, because the ones in Brazil are not even on line yet and not even remotely of the same quality.
Australia don't need the Chinese.
Besides, war is coming for China and they won't be getting ore from Australia ever for the war.
@@Coxman YOUR a LIE.!!!
~ Who saysss SO "Brazil not even on line of Ores - Any PROVES ??! Statistics ??! Articles ??! Websites ???! Links.??!
@@Coxman ..............bwuahahahaahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
*I Can't Breathe* like G.FLoyd from CHOKE_ LAUGHING your FACE.!!!!
"Australia doesn't NEED China" - Australians FOREIGN MINISTER PENNY WONG just spent 12 hrs Flight✈ Travelled to Beijing, to meet CHINA'S FOREIGN MINISTER 4 deals.!!!!
The problem Australia is that they tries to be a policeman in Asia Pacific but they don't have the money, to do so.
@Laos "T he problem Australia is that they tries to b..." Australia is the trusted and respected partner and benefactor of all nations in the Asia Pacific region. there is only one that acts inappropriately towards Australia - and most other countries in the region. Your ignorant comment tells us all that you suffer from an inferiority complex, in your case a deserved complex.
They need to realise its not their backyard ownership.
Yet we could crash the Chinese economy in less than a year if we wanted to, China NEEDS our coal and iron, if we stopped that trade their country would crash very fast.
A third of global shipping passes through the SCS so if China has control over the area it can have enormous consequences for Australia and the global economy
Australia was the first country in 2011-2012 to ban Huawei from its NBN, even before the US and others acted in 2018-19, they were only concerned with 5G.
and it has been downhill for Australia ever since, it appears
@@mikeboate208 WRONG! Despite the propaganda you are fed in China Australia actually diversified their trade (including coal) elsewhere whilst China has rolling blackouts.
Australia is also the first non-us country that slapped tariffs 11 times between Feb and Nov 2021 on China, its biggest trading partner and where Australia runs a huge surplus.
@@anti-bullingjames Yep Australia is leading the way and demonstrating to other countries how to counter China's coercion. Now Europe including Germany have grown in their courage in countering China's economic threats. Even South Korea who was coerced by China due to their THAAD program in 2017 has built up the courage to counter China after seeing Australia's anti coercion and diversification program.
@@brettr2198 then, what you complained about it? why don't you just cut the tie? Btw, that country hasn't dropped a single bomb on foreign lands for over 40 years when your guys continue your traditions of invading so many countries, butchering mill of civilians , and creating tens of mills of refugees last 2 decades alone. The world is watching you!
China is just doing what's best for them, the west does what's best for them, and every country in the world is trying to survive. Everyone in the middle class and downwards are battling. This is the world, there is nothing new under the sun.
I am just watching the world as it is.
Enjoy the gulags
Then, it's easy. Ban the export of high-tech equipment and software to China. Jail any western investors who want to invest in technology in China. Impose a one thousand tariff on technology products from China because China is doing the same. If China still complains, shut down China's access to US dollars, including Hong Kong.
@@titaniumwolf2 Enjoy the tent cities in the US.
When a civilized society meets with a wild wild west mindset, therein arises the current silly synthetic problems that the rest of the world have to put up with.
Australia must know who will backstab them.
We do, it's China. Thankfully our many mates have our back.
From China 's view, it is Australia did it.
@@cybertaco3602 Why would the Aussies betray China when Australia is too far away? Australia is a vessel of the USA and a colony of the UK.
USA. Took all. Their trade with china
Australia stabbed China first!
China is buying Australia Iron Ore in RMB ( not US$ ) at present .
Then the Aussies cannot buy weapons from U.S. in RMB or the revenue from Iron ore exports anymore!
Well, China could always refer back to type and ban trade again so that the whole world sees, yet again that the Chinese can't be trusted and always renege on their agreements. Listen to the Americans, look what the Chinese did to them and they are their biggest trading partner.
China stole from them, and the Australians knows this. The moment China threatens Australia again with a trade embargo, the EU, US and the WTO will have all the proof they need.
This was a spot trade of one shipment as part of seeking to improve trade relations at a time of some instability in USD. Most iron ore trade still denominated in USD but future yuan settlement for spot trades could continue if to benefit of both sides. I doubt that Australia will be contracting long term for settlements in RMB until the status of RMB as a stable tradable international currency develops.
fortunately that will never happen. I like to consider myself very knowledgeable regarding China and i can tell you with certainty their years of glory are coming to an end if you knew what i do youll just wait and see its going to be a movie @@robman2095
the chinese stopped buying from australia but instead buy them from usa.
Yes the yanks stole our trade after we did their dirty work for them.
They always reference what a commodity was sold for - that the purchaser is doing the supplier a favour... they never reference what the purchaser uses this commodity for, such as powering their massive cities, underpinning their steel manufacturing industry, etc. There is always a reason that a customer buys - the price is better than the utility that product provides - ie. both are making money so be quiet.
sorry australia but brazil totaly can be a substitute I am from brazil we just sky rockted iron ore prodution ,and we produce more than australia
Brazil has significant political issues and is unreliable. On big Brazilian mining projects, Australia miners are often partners.
@@petersinclair3997 china is colapsing its economy they wont be buying much more anyway
Yeah it’s our miners there though. Plus our mining tech is second to none, it is one area where we lead the world by far, even with high labour costs at home. Especially because of high labour costs at home. Including FIFO costs to the east coast. Staggering, really.
Brazil's mines are in mountainous hilly areas far away from the sea. Despite having higher grade ore this is a considerable disadvantage.
Australia has a AAA investment credit rating, making us more reliable as an investment.
Strange that AUKUS and the QUAD weren't mentioned in this piece - both aimed at china
Strange that the *nine-dash line* (a lie to justify military aggression for the purpose of imperialistic expansion of borders) wasn't mentioned in this piece.
@@DemPilafian I would give you 10 thumbs up for that if I could.
Both aimed at China (a spiteful, threatening authoritarian regime), and rightly so.
@@DemPilafian Then Bloomberg needs to talk also about the ROC's 13 dash line too.
@@TangoLima1 Wrong. Taiwan is an independent country, but it cannot declare full separation or drop all claims because Xi Jinping is a violent aggressive authoritarian dictator with a very large military. Xi has already threatened to invade Taiwan.
Australia is one of the white supreme mindset but didn't not realise they are leader no more...yelling human right but never look at their own aborigines problem so as US ...human right my foot
GPOC most people look up their family tree,...you appear to be still climbing yours!
This was... surprisingly not US centric and quite a fair and balanced reporting, nice job
Australia is INDIA centric
@@Articulate_the_Unknown what???
Australia is Western Centric bro
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39°
This is a very Australian centric clip imo, Australia is a small world player both economically and militarily. I don't believe China spends a lot of time thinking about Australia, China has much bigger concerns with neighbors much closer to home and then of course the US.
The problem with Australian politics (imo) is the politicians speak faster their brain can thinks. There's not many politicians have enough academic and experienced to deal with the issues. Academic political like Kevin Rudd not be favourable because again his view is too 'complicated' to an average citizen but fish n chips sound more friendly.
The problem with Chinese politics is it’s secretive and authoritarian and ordinary people don’t get a choice.
More often than not, we don't get to pick our leaders, both parties are guilty of stabbing their Prime Minister in the back in favour of another candidate. For about ten years there, I don't think a single PM managed to see a full term of government (4 years) without being shanked by their own party.
The average AU citizen is smarter than AU politicians. Kevin Rudd is not considered smart by the average AU citizen.
Lol, I’m Australian and this is pretty true
Kevin Rudd's views are not favourable because he was a failure as Prime Minister and was dutifully kicked out. Now he is showing his true loyalty with his sympathetic views on a regime not fit for the modern world.
Australia has no choice but listen to US.
They messed up and double cross France.
The USA and Australia should know France is not one to mess with. 𝓬𝓸𝓾𝓹 𝓭'é·𝓽𝓪𝓽 is a French word for a reason. in NATO France is quiet about Ukraine
At least you have a really high HDI and per capita income!
@ Donald Nush Not that there is no choice, but that IS the choice.
@@billedifier8584 There is no choice, but to force yourself to think that way
@@donaldnush7236 Most Australians were OK with China's economic development, opinions changed as that development became more militarily focused and outwardly aggressive. The choice, if forced, was forced by the actions of the CCP.
Gusy i in AUSTRALIA
Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. Prepare yourself for a multipolar world.
bipolar to be more exact.
@@everglades_n_co. are you bicurious?
>Prepare yourself for a multipolar world
Sure Vladimir. Russia is finished, that's one less pole lol
Commonsense approach?
If you walk into a retail store and got treated with no respect for purchasing the store offering, I think you would choose not to return to the same store, even if you were offered a better discount
China is only a customer not the store owner.
Yes, CCP insults and bad faith are turning away their investors and customers.
That's why?@@lachlansydney2149
@@lachlansydney2149 And a sh*tty customer at that.
A rude customer that doesn’t have many places to buy iron ore.
Australia is little America in that region. They listen to & follow whatever america says & does! This will lead them to meet their demise when China takes the place of America & remembers who Australia sided with!
Australia is a country. China's position of power over Australia to decide is only an assumption that exist in your imagination.
I LOVE the music that starts at 12:24. Anyone knows what it is?
Why? because when the US says jump, Austrailia respond "how high?" Same goes for Taiwan. I hope Austrailia and China will be frendly.
well it takes two hands to clap. if Australia continues to have unfriendly policy against China....what do you expect ??
You do realise that It was Australia leading the world in standing up to an oppressive dictatorship not US so stop with the ccp propaganda bs
If Australia is friendly, China will fully control them. You can't be friendly with China.
Just because we are key allies with the US does not mean they control us. It is in our interests to be with the most powerful (for the moment) state in the world who also share similar democratic values and ideals with us. also taiwan is literally fighting for independence from china so not that they have a choice really.
Things have now changed regarding iron ore.
If Australia continues to treat China as the enemy even after the Albonese government has been elected, then it can only expect Australian bilateral relations and trade with China to be kept in China's deep freezer for another 6 years. That was what happened to Norway and it will be same for Australia as China doesn't need to trade with Australia.
What really irks is the constant stressing on their values and nagging about human rights abuses. As if they have a monopoly on those.
@@medialcanthus9681 “irks ? Of course Australia’s insistence that CCP stop spying, theiving and trying to interfere in Australia’s politics; it’s criticism of the way CCP treats its minorities and military aggression irks. Be clear, CCP is a vile government which needs resources that Australian businesses can provide. Australia is happy to trade but that’s all. Australian governments have far higher standards than CCP.
@@angusmckenzie9622 self righteousness of pharisees. I see Australian troops killing civilians in Afghanistan and abusing first natives.
@@medialcanthus9681 "I see Australian troops killing civilians in Afghanista..." You've seen nothing and know even less. The worst that is said of Australia's 20 years in Afghanistan fighting guerillas is an allegation that the SAS killed 39 prisoners or civilians, hotly disputed by the SAS. This in a 20 year war. CCP soldiers ambushed and killed that many unarmed Indian soldiers in 2021. Western soldiers operate at a far higher standard of morality and ethics that those of thieving, cowardly nations like CCP China and Russia. What would a mindless computer cowboy repeating mindless slogans know about war or honour ?
AUSTRALIA is getting to be a 3rd- world Convict's 💩💩💩
When America sanctions China it is called competition. When China sanctions Australia it is now coercion. It appears that language can be weaponized and interpret Geo-political situations according to how you want it.
He has failed to mention that prior to the so called investigation into the source of the covid virus was the cancellation of the BRI Agreement that Victoria's Dan Andrews had agreed to with China for badly needed infrastructure as well as better access for Victoria's products to the huge China market. Then the Federal government also forced the cancellation of the purchase of several dairy and food companies - all at the behest of their master the USA. Blaming the investigation is just trivialising the reasons to suit the farce that China was upset and just a diversion from the larger issues where Australia exposed itself as the lapdog but reluctant to admit it.
TOTALLY AGREE
How true this statement, at least someone mind are clear and not bias.
yup. when Australia bribes pacific countries (which don't tell me that hasn't happened), it's all "fine and dandy". then they turn around and accuse china of doing this and maybe china has but why is it "rules for thee and not for me?"
of course
Depends on what Australian master US thinks.
AMEN👍
America, Sit boiii , SIT!!!
Australia, Where Master ???! Where!!!
master US : Sit! Sit!
Australia : YES!
Exactly.
Any time Australia doest bow to Bejing they accuse us of being a US puppet. Such a sour grapes argument.
@@hankjones3527 Australia is a US puppet, why else would we fight in all of their illegal wars.
You don’t have agree with your friends at everything, more important, you don’t backstab!
The same story for Japan.
only China is 10x bigger.
Australians participated many of the wars on China...
1:53 Unwise to force other countries to accept this Australian version of 2-party 'democracy'
@ Sean Lee. “Force countries to accept Aus 2 party…”. The only country that “forces” other countries is CCP. Ask Tibet and Hong Kong. Taiwan isn’t going to fall for that one.
Yes Australia is no more democratic than China.
Just listen to the guy.... Oh China won't talk to us even when we are sailing our warships close to their boarders..... LOL
I hope the ocean creatures (lobsters, fish, octopus, dolphins, whales, sharks,….) don’t go extinct. Please keep things sustainable our future generations.
is there any future generations???
Why doesn't Oz use its coal to make steel using the iron ore and sell the steel to China. Therefore tying up the iron ore that normally get exported with the coal.
Australia makes nothing, not even cars. It has very little innovation and people are poorly skilled. Decades of reliance on cheap Chinese products has left Australia without the ability to manufacture or innovate.
Basically, Australia is stuffed. It's just an isolated, looked polluted Island that is either under water or on fire.
Too hard.
This is what the Australian Citizens Party wants to do.
because our billionaires wouldn't profit from it. Our politicians are there to protect the billionaires. That is their job.
If the Aussie government were people with backbones they would cancel all mining leases and monopolize the industry themselves. Just like every other wealthy nation. Imagine Saudi outsourcing their oil operation? That's what our pathetic politicians do in Australia.
@@nswpublicservant Our politicians are the most cowardly in the world. They have to ring up Washington to find out which country we are supposed to hate each week.
This week we hate Russia, next week it will probably be China, but we better check with the yanks to make sure that we got it right.
The use of language in this video requires introspection.
I agree 👍👍
Yes, to interpret the double-speak from the communists.
0:26 you can say that about everything that involves our parliament.
Do you know who gets along with Australia? America.
Build smelters and steel mills and export not raw materials but finished products
we don't have anyone to work at the smelters or steel mills.
@@lmimssoi6978 I dont think that is the case, because steel mills nowdays are automated. However it is very dirty and power consuming business, which would mean a lot of investment in infrastructure (power grid).
Naive thinking. just think about why China buys 80% of ore? You still need market, and the pollution and emission from steel industries
Unfortunately those are very polluting industries that few people want nearby
@@fanest_norfar Australia had huge profits from the sale of Iron Ore So it should invest in nuclear power plants to make this production clean
Yes billions & billions & billions flowed into Australia, then flowed straight back out again into the pockets of foreign corporations thanks to VERY friendly tax laws & loopholes.
No problem, they don't need each other.
It's solely Morrison's fault. He's been serving the US like Wormtail to Voldemort. We should have our own stand based on the real Australia's interests, not anyone else's. That's why we kicked him out.
Very true it was Morrison and Dutton who did the damage, on the US orders.
US： 👴
Australia：🦮 ｜
Canada： 🐕
At least we choose our leaders, and the policies we want, and can vote them out. Unlike Chinese.
Somebody please tell Australia that with its 25.8 million inhabitants it merely makes up a village in 1.4 billion people China. 🤣🤣🤣
Australia has one of the fastest growing populations in the world. China's population is declining, and fast.
China should be embarrassed that such a small country has them by the balls.
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out
Australia needs to be in line with US policies. They have an identity crisis, living in the south east, but think like it is the west.
Australia has georgraphy problem.
Yes, Australia is one of the US's extremely malleable puppy dogs. In addition, they recognize deep down that the Chinese are not just hard working (much more so than Australians) but also more intelligent. It must be deeply unsettling to find from day to day dealings with Chinese people that they are superior, contrary to what their racist white parents tell them.
Nah, if it was US, then everyone would be totally fine with it and media wouldn't even report it
ROYALTY AND PRISONERS ARE HARD TO GET ALONG
What does that even mean ?
@@angusmckenzie9622 i think they might mean "royalty" as in "australia has one of the highest standards of living and average income, they must be royalty" and "prisoners" as in "the chinese people are prisoners to their dicktator"
@@emeraldwarrior588 Thankyou, ER. If you are right, that’s an absolute first. A pinky / wumoa / non Anglophonic not insulting Australia.
Australia and the US are joined at the lips when it comes to political rhetoric. Sending Australian warships into the South China Sea cemented the deal.
Before that China send warships & It's milita in pacific sea
The whole world needs more crowns. Ukraine crown is taking over the Australia crown. 🇬🇧 Great Britain and Germany are competing with each other next year. Do not rule out the Frenchman.
@@chubascomohd2688 they will be rounded up in a Russian circus as performing animals .
The South China Sea is not owned by China,.....so whats the big deal?
@@weshuggie COVID came out of a US bio warfare lab.
You don't antagonize your business partners especially if they're paying for your lunch!😬😬😬
What about if your business partners turnout to be lying filth like the CCP??
Gotta stand up to the bully @passingwind
Without USA pushing Australia to fight with China.
Australia could be without much tension with China, and make lot of money to give their citizens great life.
Maybe Australia is not willing to surrender its sovereignty to a new military dictatorship.
Would the American ICIA assassinate the Aussie PM if Australia don't listen to USA?
Chinese money only ends up in Australian billionaires and politicians pockets.
that will just put us under China's influence. We have to show that there is a line that we will not let cross and stand up against China if we need to.
Instead of "handling" China, Australia should respect China. Don't bite the hand that feeds. America will only be too willing to replace Australia in supplying to China.
yeah,respect is mutual
the problem is that Australia is not ruled by its people, but by Washington assigned politicians. If you look at all Australian Prime Ministers and highly important government figure, they all retire in US or UK. Australia is like dumping ground for US agents to work and return home once their job is done.
We're literally strategic partners with the US, and we also share common democratic values and ideals. It makes sense for us to partner up considering China's claims over the South China Sea and increasing influence in our backyard with the security deal they just recently signed with the solomon islands.@@ericwong4213
China does not need to talk to australia since australia is just following its boss orders. Australia should follow India, have independent foreign policy on its own.
Australia do have an independent foreign policy. Just because we share common goals and objectives with the US does not mean they control us
endia will buy all the beef/wine/iron ore/ coal/ lobsters etc problem solved right?
A hawkish conservative government committed to US hegemony what done it
Haha .. australia so hard at CHINA and now says CHINA "bullies" ?? ... accuse so many fake on so many area at CHINA !!!
The headline photo seems to be missing another flag?
Stopping daily military insults around China coast will be the only way for Australia to rebuild relationship with China.
Australia listens to whatever US told them to do. Easy!
Australia is Anglo-Saxon, it shares the same upbringing and worldview with Canada, the UK, New Zealand and the USA. Blood is thicker than water. They are similar in how they operated during their forming years in relation to how they acquired their territories and how they treated the original inhabitants of their conquered territories. It is natural that they will share the same current geopolitical positions.
aussie is corporal police,uk global deputy sheriff and us is head sheriff, this is their relation and order of hierarchy. For example if head sheriff order corporal police to invade yugoslavia, libya,afghanistan,syria etc,corporal police will do the order even if it doesnt benefit him
except the US is abandoning its anglo-saxon roots. What Australia had in common with the US is coming to an end. Time to rethink our allegiance and align with Russia and China. We have far more in common with Chinese and Russian values than decrepit Uncle Sam would have you believe.
@@andia968 - lol copy-paste troll.
bodhranlowd - the past is not the present. All those Anglophone countries have made huge efforts to reconcile their indigenous peoples (unlike the CCP which the UN just accused of crimes against humanity over the Uyghurs). They are also multicultural with very high immigration, it’s a long time since they were ‘Anglo-Saxon’. Or Anglo-Celtic, more accurately. You don’t understand them at all.
@@TenOrbital I understand them perfectly. They're ideologues; business people, not interested in 'unity or equality' under any circumstance, as per the democrat 'black-out' approach to the US 2020 BLM riots, and 'Anglo-phone' news media coverage (and lack thereof) not covering the subsequent persecution of whites (youve likely never seen what actually happened during the BLM riots, and if you did, you're complicit if you're still a leftist). No, it's a banditry of elite and upper-class champagne socialists bent on using the worlds population for their own ends. They must be stopped at any cost, and will be by history's account.
I really don't get this bitterness, Australia is the one who doesn't wants to trade with China because of its "Human Right" record.
we gonna pretend they dont have concentration camps? are you a bot?
@@adamvifrye2690 dont even waste your time, the CCP literally implements bots in all comment sections about china relations just to convince morons who dont know anything that China is not the aggresor.Remember its china that is gojng against international order thinking it ca do whatever it wants
Typical Bloomberg presentation, well researched, accurate and insightful. It doesn’t make the challenges of dealing with the China maze any easier, but does help in avoiding the noise and focusing on the main issues.
USA is more dangerous then China
It is very clear to me which country started the first series of offensive moves. I don't see any reason for complaint in retaliation and resulting economic loss. 😆😆😆
I agree with you and I am Australian.
It is interesting that the media constantly emphasize China's sanctions, but do not mention Australia's more serious and broader sanctions against China
that's Double- standards!!!
I'm not sure what media you're looking at but here in Australia we definitely know a trade war was happening between Australia and China
Not hard question… three letter answer. USA!
Why can't Australia and China get along? Because the USA doesn't want them to.
The US keeps Australia safe. China does not. It's just that simple.
Hilarious...Aus gets rich off China now complains NZ's doing the same.
To coexist peacefully Australia cannot have double standards. Australian cannot keep sending military ships right to the door steps of China and banning its companies in Australia but expect China not to feel threatened and respond by cutting trade ties and sending military ships to the coast of Australia.
@Chee ho "To coexist peacefully Australia cannot have double standards. A..." It isn't Australia with double standards. It openly declares itself on issues of sovereignty and human rights, co operates with its allies and trades freely, even with the regimes that wishes it harm, CCP Chiona, admittedly now more cautiously, despite cyber attacks, 14 Grievances, attempts at interference in Australian politics and trade war attacks by CCP.. China denounces Australia's AUKUS commitments as escalating tensions in the region whilst rapidly militarising and increasing its own nuclear stocks. It's CCP with the double standards. A disgraceful regime.
So why isn't the United States subject to Chinese trade bans? They have sent many warships to the South China Sea. They have even sent carrier groups through the Taiwan Strait. Why is Australia being given special treatment?
You cannot co exist peacefully with aggressive China, this is an oxymoron.
@@angusmckenzie9622 If you think China is a disgraceful regime, then don't trade with China. You keep your distance from China & China will do the same.
@@kcwong8011 "If you think China is a disgraceful regime, th..." CCP is a disgraceful regime and a danger to world peace. The volume of trade between the 2 countries has dropped. China has a significant trade deficit with Australia, it needs the coal and ore so keeps buying it, Australian mining companies are happy to sell for the US dollars China pays in and we all have enough tee shirts. China can't afford to keep its distance from Australia. Australian business is happy to receive payment but none of us want CCP spies, cyber theft and bribery. Unlike China, the Australian Government doesn't tell its citizens what they can or cannot buy or sell.
China cannot replace Australia's iron ore. So, there's leverage in both directions.
That’s Australia for you.
australia has always been the foot soldier of the gang.
Australia is far away from China, but put itself into south china sea problem. Draging itself into conflict. Not a wise move.
Wrong! Australia is very smart. Moving away from PRC is the right way to go!
China is dragging itself into conflict with all the great power with only allies including Norh Korea and Russia
The best comment.
@@oceanbreeze89 smart or not we dono, but clearly now the Australia crying baby now begged China for their economies for drop drastically for losing china business trade. Where the roots happen always appear the caused
@@buildmotosykletist1987 Australia involvement there just make the conflict worse
" si quieres un futuro bonito, arrimate a un Chinito"
Saudi Arabia has the worst human right record but never blamed by the west
Saudi Arabia doesn't have concentration camps and an unrecognize claims to an entire sea.
Agree, this is very well done and show both sides … not bias reporting
Much better than "Sky" Australia, I have had enough their racist slurs!
YT kept recommending this piece every time I refresh, initially didn’t bother as I thought it would just be another boring China bashing piece by MSM. Surprise they are relatively balanced, however I think they don’t get the China part quite right, being someone who understands both sides, the problem we have is that we are only scratching the surface, when discussing topics on understanding China. Even our so called experts like Kevin, he understands probably 50%, it’s pretty difficult unless you live and breath in China together with the locals and the ethics, morals and cultural aspects that are being drummed to you growing up as a Chinese, only then you get to know how they think. I think most South East Asians with Chinese upbringing would resonate what I am talking about. Form a western educated person it’s pretty difficult unless you have that ancestry root, because different upbringing environments give a different perspective in how you see things. And unlike Australians, the Chinese has a better understanding of us and our Sino-phobic mentality, in the late 80s and most of 90s, it was okay then because at the time, China was still developing.
Problem we will have now is that China and the Chinese will remember who can be friend and who cannot, just like they remember the humiliation they got from the western powers in the late 19th century, the Japanese had the same humiliation in the late 19th century as well from US, but unlike the Chinese, the Japanese does not care or mind, but with Chinese it’s built into their DNA, the bottom line is I think we have our work cut out for us, and the relationship will not be the same ever again, it’s my two cents. Lastly anyone will always hear about China or Chinese business people said a Win-Win situation, you hear this from the ancient time, the meaning is much much deeper I would think.
More like the CCP uses history and foreign resentments to deflect public opinion. None of that is necessary, it is just a typical authoritarian racket. I don’t buy this thing about ‘only the elect can understand mysterious China’. We can judge the CCP on its actions. It is pretty straightforward.
totally agree
完全同意！
What you are overlooking is the influence that Marxist thought has had on mainland Chinese. Chinese throughout the rest of the world, especially in Taiwan, don't have that bias.
@@billedifier8584 how most of us got this idea wrong is because of our ignorant western mainstream media, in which we look at the Chinese from our own western educated lens. While I admit the Marxist has some influence, but it’s difficult to totally replaced thousands of years of cultures and behaviours that are being thought from one generation to the next. In Taiwan, what you hear is the loudest voices, just like back in 2019 Hong Kong riots, but I bet those loudest voices may only, at most, half of the population, in HK riots the evidences stacked up, and found to be about 30-40% again it’s because of the western upbringing and education which with our human instinct hate changes. May be too philosophical 😂
Yes we know how the crinese crybabies imperialist wannabees think they are the most racist people in the world and murdering Muslims is not cool
I don't know about other people. But Australia lobsters are surely happier.
You should know without asking.
Yep they used Australia as a guinea pig, if it doesn't work only the Australian will suffer.
You need a history lesson on Pine Gap and what it means to the US.
A quick start for you... the US run Pine Gap spy base has been listening to Beijing since before China had international flights..
I love Australia for that! Long live and flourish our Australia
So its just a petty childish rivalry. I can't see why they have to take it to higher levels.
16:02 I find it funny when some Asians shout really loud that they are Australlians, Americans or British because they will never be any of it, not even if you're born on the land or even if you're Gordon Chang. This will go vice versa as well. ... How can you expect me to be your friend when you kicked me in the wiwi.
I find those bananas really irritating. Worst still they go out of the way to criticize their motherland in front of the white, traitor-like.
@@medialcanthus9681 .....Not all bananas support Australia or America. You are making a silly generalization.
@@jchock7503 depends on your definition of banana and mine. Moreover, you don't have to be rude when stating a different opinion.
@@medialcanthus9681 .....
The definition is the same. Sorry but I cannot help calling out your mistake as what it is when you make such simple generalization which is an insult to the bananas that are capable of thinking independently on their own.
Pure white supremascisvmindset😂😂😂