The Amazing Digital Circus Is All LIES!
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If it wasn’t sad enough to see them thanos snap Gummigoo here, they do it again in the plushie promotion video 💀
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Why are you people like this
Okay seriously what is with these specific Bots?! Like these very specific ones have been everywhere!
Bots be gone! Also, yeah that was pretty heart wrenching. Pomni can’t catch a break.😢
They just want attention
Gooseworx has established in a tweet that everyone in the Circus DO have memories of their lives, but it’s only names they can’t remember. That’s the only thing they have no memory of.
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@Indie_gamer7 so trueeeeeeeee!!!
Wait really?? Dang, that must hurt even more.
Also also I’m not sure who’s hand it was but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t zoobles hand that reached down, it honestly looks familiar but I’m not sure who it was
@GreatestNate888 It was; she's got a claw arm with a weird hand. It's a short scene though.
Jax's "upset" expression is actually a microscopic flash of grief. His whole character acts as some real people would playing a video game, reveling in chaos. But he's also using it to live in constant distraction from the awful existence he's confined to
Never thought of it as Jax representing gamers who use games as an escape but that makes his character deeper now
EXACTLY!!!!
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!
@Fillenbillen but at the same time that has made his personality more aggressive, and he may have originally been a not so nice person as a human, and that combined with the fact that he's potentally also being aggressive to cope with his reality is bound to make his personality a lot worse over time.
Also, don't forget that Gooseworks said Jax deserves to be there more than any other member of the digital circus, so he could be a generally horrible person, which is probably amplified by his method of coping with the circus.
I dunno what I'm really saying here, but Jax is probably gonna get a lot worse... we should just expect him to start doing increasingly horrible things to others, as I have a feeling that is where his character is headed in future episodes.
@@VideoGameMontaginationI keep thinking that he's going to push someone into the abstraction hole. Or manipulate Cain in doing some +##$-& up ¡*+1.
The Fudge calling Jax a "master of unlocking things" also reminded me of how in Episode 1, Jax had said that he "has keys for everything" after being asked by Ragatha how he had a key to Kaufmo's room
iirc that’s a resident evil 1 reference (or resident evil in general)
edit: nvm they covered it, i think he’s just a pickpocket but it works
Mabye he was a lockpicker in his life before this?
yea that's what I was thinking too
I feel like that's going to be a reoccurring thing throughout the show, maybe it'll have some importance in the future?
I'm assuming he's a Jax of all trades? (Pun Intended)
@SkibiditoiIetyesyes_UTTPwhatever lil bro
Jax is treating the circus like GTA, Ragatha is treating it like Animal Crossing or Stardew Valley
Hm, pretty nice and accurate deduction.
Yeah makes me wonder if they did that intentionally like all the characters are based off a game or different playing styles.
I love that analogy
@@AlphaFromAbovei love these ideas
My theory as opposed to Jax being an npc, is that he was the only one who intentionally played the game. Everyone else could've been game devs, but Jax could've been a beta tester, since he seems to know the most about the game and talks about being disappointed, he also plays the game the way a player would. Game devs would likely play it as intended and go through the motions, but Jax plays it the way many of us would, and tries to see where his limits are and cause chaos to the NPCs he doesn't have an attachment to. I'll likely have a new theory by the next episode but this is my main one with the context we currently have
9:54 - It was only confirmed in the first episode that they don’t remember their names, it said nothing about losing all their memories.
In fact, Gooseworx confirmed recently on Twitter that they do remember details of their past lives
Finally! Someone else that noticed!
And it’s obviously a video game… dunno why MatPat is questioning that
Like at 20:16
True- and like the first episode she was panicking and stuff cause she was suddenly teleported into this new world and stuff so now that she’s calmed down and eaten & slept and stuff she can now think better and is able to remember better. Not sure why they didn’t think of this also
It feels like they are looking into thinks that are obvious like people say they are breaking when they start crying also jack acted sad because someone died and the way he deals with this world is pretending he doesn’t care
@@cajunking5987 Probably because he doesn't remember, that Pomni literally said she "put on a weird headset" and Jax's first reaction to her was to ask Caine, if she's an NPC, making her recognize that fact (once she got over "it's all a dream" mindset).
The main cast knows they’re all human, and they know they’re in a video game. Pomni outright says that she put on a headset to get there, and Ragatha confirmed that that’s what happened to them too. The only thing they forget are their names. This was all said in Episode 1.
Jax reacting that way was to show he has a bit of humanity in him. He was sad for a split second, and then tried to brush it off.
even if she said she remembers putting the headset on, how can she know that the memory of her putting the headset on wasn't programmed into her? The memories of an NPC can be manipulated, so Pomni could still be an NPC.
Exactly.
No idea how Matt and crew seem to be missing all that.
@@nebulaayt That’s a fair point. But I believe Gooseworx confirmed that the only thing they forgot is their names (or so I’ve heard). It *implies* that their other memories aren’t false, at the very least, but Caine being confirmed as not being evil, and his attitude towards NPCs in the circus, seems to suggest that he wouldn’t lie about one of the cast being a human, when they’re really an NPC. That’s my interpretation at least, but I could always be wrong.
@@Gnomelotteit’s been 7 months since the pilot they were bound to forget some things lol
46:09 I have no idea what Mat's on about here. "I'm already breaking" is a pretty standard thing to say when you're trying to keep your composure and not cry, and is often used at not only funerals but things like weddings.
mat has said this before but with media and specifically video content stories that are planned, most if not all dialogue is chosen for a reason. The "I'm already breaking" line can be taken literally by emotionally breaking down bc of a funeral, but matpat (and the theorist team) like to think "meta-ly",, finding of theres a second reasoning for the choice of words- like breaking character instead.
Both ways ar interesting takes of a single dialogue line which makes theories really interesting to see from different people, but it can lead to you overthinking the simplest dialogue or lines said
@@KrystalTide unfortunately this runs the risk of *over*thinking it. I've heard writers talking about theorists before. When Gravity Falls was still on, the showrunner once said in an interview that while he loved seeing fans get so excited and writing theories and all, he noticed that a lot of fans tended to approach stories from a "conspiracy" perspective while the writers have to approach it from a STORY perspective. So the theorists tend to over-complicate and read too much into creative decisions that had far more straight forward reasons behind them.
An example of this type of thing happening might be how in episode one there's a ton of biblical imagery and a lot of people based theories off of that. Gooseworx later said in an interview that she "thought the idea of putting religious imagery in this context would be really funny".
While there's nothing wrong with trying to read super deep into these kinda stories it feels as though these guys here were so focused on their theories that they were missingg the forest for the trees. Key information that has already been established was completely forgotten (such as pomni knowing that this is a video game) and information that has never been established in the show has been assumed as canon (such as the characters not remembering who they were before). Sure, it's not the end of the world that they would forget on an unscripted watching of the show...but it can feel a bit frustrating when they pause every few seconds to talk about something that is entirely wrong if you go back and watch even the first minute of episode one.
@@mallk238I know, right?
@@mallk238 I think in one GTLive mat did mention this, where sometimes him and team theorist, often overthink dialogue and lose the original meaning of the message. I think in a Help Wanted 2 stream he was trying to find the hidden plush secrets for everyone and an image of a lightning bolt was on the wall in the hub with a line through it. He went on to think of glamrock freddy and other lightning aspects but in reality it was just "no power"
I think both sides of how you interpret lines is warranted, but you just need to know *when* to dive in deeper into the message thats being said
@@KrystalTide well put! A good theory (in my opinion) shouldn't necessarily treat canon as a grab bag of "lore" that you can jumble together to make a story that the theorist thinks should be, but should instead try to make something that fits into the narrative of the story in some way. Like sure, you COULD argue that some character is secretly the mastermind behind it all because they said this one line in an awkward way...orrr you can look at that scene with other scenes that happen later and consider that this is just because that character is awkward. Like what would be the one that's more useful to the writers in that moment? Like sure, SOMETIMES it turns out to be a super secret plot twist hidden in plain sight...but that's rarer than some people want it to be and I see it time and time again that people will hype up some big theory and be disappointed when they learn that it wasn't actually as grandiose as they were hoping it would be.
The fact that I was starting to become a little more hopeful as Gummigoo passed through the portal. "Oh wait. Maybe they aren't gonna go that rou-"
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i feel like people comment this exact comment everywhere
I was so sure that Gummigoo would not be able to pass through the gateway. Had the exact same thought process as you, and then-
My read of Jax is that he fights really hard not to care or have emotions for his own sanity, so when the funeral is brought up, there's a second where he's genuinely sad, then he gets angry at himself for it and storms off
That's about the feel I got too. I really hope that he has to face things head on one day. Not because I dislike him, but rather because I really want to see how he gets through it.
He will have to face his demons in the minimum wage episode later😂
Exactly! (not too the bot to you) Great theory 👍👌🤌
Not sure that's what his creator thinks, ngl
Given what goosworx has said about the character, that's probably wrong.
Apparently the intention is that Jax is somewhat of a villain.
At the end with the Jax’s reaction to the funeral I belive he was sad at first but then remembered his persona he puts on and acted according to that
I'd like to think it's because Jax doesn't like getting attached to others. He hates the feeling of loosing people he cares about, so he chooses to just, not. For a split second we can catch a glimpse of him either feeling bad for the others or realizing kinda the whole gravity of loosing Kaufmo, because he might have unintentionally gotten attached to him when he was still there. But then immediately after that tries to stop thinking about it as he goes back to his room.
I think it was also part of the reason he was extra detached and gonzo during the mission - he was doubling down on everything just being a game to cope with the loss of Jax.
I think Caine's line more implies that he accidentally deleted a human before, but the fact that he can SOMEWHAT keep track, implies that everyone there IS human.
The funeral also implies they're human. Why would AI have a funeral service for people(Or characters) that abstract?
A really good theory i saw floating around is that Caine once accidentally deleted a real person because he couldn’t differentiate the npcs to the players
I'm wondering if the real person he deleted was the creator, presumably the Abel to his Caine... I think that would be an interesting route to go down
@@turniplady2522Never heard that half of the theory that's smart
@@turniplady2522 BRUH You do know Cain and Abel were the 2nd generation of human existence right?? They didn't even invent technology then!!! And they probably didn't speak english or know what clowns were!!!!! They are litterally probs in heaven right now, it's just a similar name!!!!!!!!!!!!
No it’s that Caine let an npc in and the theory is that jax is the npc
@@user-xy2sf4fd2g yeah, that's what the video is about. Gold star. We're discussing a different theory lol
Just the idea that Caine CAN mistake an NPC for a human should give everyone pause. Is there really no difference between even a sophisticated AI program, and a digital representation of a human mind, in this system? Such that even another AI could possibly be deceived by one?
Which begs a question. If there is an NPC among the 'human' cast, does Caine even know it? Or did one sneak in?
it is intriguing, but let's not forget that we already have context clues that Caine can and has lied. He might be able to tell the difference between them, and is simply making excuses similar to the exit in the first episode. I personally believe this is a red herring and that Gooseworx may have even intentionally presented it in a way people would react to. remember that most shows give tons of context clues that they DON'T subvert, meaning that most can actually be relied upon to help understand the story.
Caine himself is an ai so its not surprising he doesn't know the difference between a real person and an npc
@@lukefortune8314 I think the pilot shows that he is bad at lying. A simple lie is enough to trigger lots of suspicious gestures.
I really like how Pomni started to realize that although her situation really sucks, the other characters are stuck with her and they genuinely care. She has these mental break downs but at the end she finds comfort in everyone feeling like they are stuck
I love that Ash is so modest being in the the fashion show and just being on the show in general. She has been a part of the channel for awhile now but every video they seem to just be happy to be a part of things. It's easy to tell she really has fun working with Matt and the gang and this isn't just a job for them but a family
Just a sweet reminder, I am pretty sure Ash's pronouns are they/them exclusively:3
@@haileysayshai8736 it says on the Ash’s Wiki that they use she/they with no preference
Something i think it's fair to point out about Ragatha, is that it makes sense in a personal way for her to be concerned about pomni not liking her, after all it is implied that Kaufmo abstracted because he felt unloved, since it was pointed out that no one laughed at his jokes.
And while it may seem a bit of a stretch, when you're down in the dumps, any type of reassurance can lift up your spirits, even if it's just making someone laugh.
Sorry you only got bot replies, that’s a very good point.
Great point
I feel like they've gotten so far down the rabbit hole of theories that they forgot that simple human emotions exist, hence their analysis of her use of the word "breaking". It's a funeral and she's sad. People get sad at funerals, and she was on the verge of tears hence the word usage.
Plus they're going to be trapped there forever (seems like), so having someone not liking you for whatever reason is a bit sad really
I think what your talking about is at the end of the video when pomni is feeling hopeless again and would get abstracted if she didn’t attend the funeral with her friends cause it shows them grabbing her hand out of a hole also Jax’s hand isn’t there and he happens to not be at the funeral but I think them being nice to her was what save her got her out of the hole
jax’s eyes, when the funeral is brought up, quickly shrinks for a moment as he looks straight on, a sign of thinking/remembering, and then looking away again as he walks away. It might be just me, but I feel this shows jax is trying to avoid the topic of a funeral, perhaps due to unpleasant memories. This could also explain his behavior, as maybe he had a close friend and was kind once, but the friend abstracted, jax lost his world, and to cope, he’s just trying to find enjoyment in any way he can and lash back out at the world by killing npc’s, harassing other people, etc, all in an attempt to avoid his problems, his trauma, and the funeral reminded him of that, so he wanted to get away as fast as possible, as far as possible.
I feel like Jax has been completely desensitized by everything he's been through, that when Kaufmo abstracted, he wasn't worried in the slightest. That was until caine got rid of him. In which Jax who once had a friend, faded into nothing more than a memory.
Yeah. Jax is definitely trying to be a "tough guy" that doesn't show deep emotions. His way of coping seems to be to distance himself from others so that he doesn't lose much when they eventually disappear. Well, even without that he is probably like he currently is, just less extreme.
My thoughts exactly. Jax really does seem like he’s trying his best to push everyone away and have a “Them over there” mentality. He refuses to get emotionally invested in anything and seeks refuge in adrenaline rushes. If nothing matters, he won’t lose anything.
Time stamp?
I don't think he's bothered by anyone else abstracting so much as how others will remember him when he's gone.
13:50 -- In both my screenwriting and fiction writing courses, it was hammered into me that whenever one character is providing exposition to another of material the viewer should already know to cut away, and come back to get the recipients reaction to the exposition, but not to spend time recapping -- unless a signficant amount of time has passed since the detail was last mentioned (last season on..., for example). We essentially know what Pomni knows, so we don't need to be there for the exposition, just for Gummiegoo's existential crisis afterwards.
I think ragatha is at the point where shes accepted that she is stuck here and this is her new life. Thats why her worrying about pomni liking her might seem as an odd priority, shes given up on other things
45:20 In EP1 when Caine fixes Ragatha with the snap of his finger, Pomni holds up her glitched hand to look at it and we clearly see that it's been fixed too. Also, it was her right hand. In this episode, it's her left arm that abstracts. So, yeah seems pretty cut and dry that Caine fixed everybody and Pomni is just dealing with the psychological effects of it.
Actually, if you watch the first episode again you can see that Pomni's hand get fixed immediately just by getting in contact with Caine, even before he snaps his fingers for Ragatha.
It's a very interesting detail not a lot of people noticed
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wait... Then can't he fix the abstractions? He never tried, or touched Koffmo... Just levitated him elsewhere...
@@-k1ts0-97 Not from what I see. At 22:11 when Caine drops Pomni off with "There you go!" after dragging her out of the void, her hand is still glitching.
@@davidtucker9498 Glitching out is different than abstracting since abstraction has to do with losing your sanity while the glitches Ragatha and Pomni experienced were more likely them losing health or a pain meter.
also that scene at the start of the episode was literally a nightmare and thus doesn't actually reflect reality
There is a term for players like Jax: He is a murderhobo. He is playing the game for his gain, something that works in say Skyrim, where you are the single most important thing in that world. A notable thing about those players though, they don't work well in collaborative games, since they want to put themselves ahead of their group.
yup, Jax is a textbook murderhobo.
it's fun to _be_ a murderhobo; it's extremely aggravating to play _with_ a murderhobo.
We refer to them also as murderhobos in Dungeons and Dragons 😂
Interesting thing to point out, I think
When Jaxi gets "mad/annoyed" at Ragatha naming the funeral services, he doesn't immediately get mad/annoyed, but he actually makes a sad/sorrowful face in the first fragment of the second before quickly changing it, as if he's trying to stay in character, pushing his true feelings aside.
Also, the scene where Pomni is in the darkness and the others grab her hand to help her up, Jaxi's hand isn't there, BUT! I think it's important to note that that scene is Pomni's thoughts/imagination, and that the reason Jaxi isn't there may very well be the fact that Pomni doesn't believe that he would be there because of his absence through the memorial.
41:03 something i found interesting is the fact that _none_ of the circus members seemed to have any sort of connection to the concept of 'bringing an npc to the circus' compared to what caine said about 'how much [these guys] just love their npcs'. like, ragatha herself asked if it was even possible, suggesting that, if it's true that caine's actually had a related incident happen prior, then it would have had to happen with a completely different set of circus members. from the sounds of it, the current circus members are just about as 'recent' as pomni is (kinger possibly being up to debate seeing how he's the oldest member yet the most unstable)
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Gummigoo 🤝 Sir Pentious
We gain the love of the fandom only to be eliminated in less than a second by powerful beings and rationally unstable.
Gummigoo will potentially get reused for another adventure at some point.
And Pentious is in heaven. (Unless he gets dragged back down)
And they both got revived! (Sir Pentious is obvious but Ragetha going out of her way to say Caine “Likes to reuse NPCs” so he is 100% coming back in so
i thought that immediately when i saw his death lol
except pentious went to heaven. we don't know what remains of gummigoo, but he likely won't be the same one leftover
I feel like he's gonna come back at a specific point in Pomni's journey of coping with everything. Like "oh? You're making progress?.... lemme just revive an old friend to set you back again"
I hope not but I know how cruel us writers can be 😅 sometimes characters are revived only for the 2nd death to be worse. Prime example: Penny from RWBY was loved by everyone and she died for the plot 😭
i feel like think zooble knows something-
so far it seems like they dont want to get involved with anything relating to caine or the adventures (ofc, episode 1, they got swept up into the chaos by mistake- but before that, they were about to leave and not help with the adventure, and in this episode, they tried to dodge it again).
the fact that all of the main characters are shown so much and participate in all of the adventures, there's got to be a deeper meaning behind why they dont join, right?
THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!! it COULD be because zooble was the newest member of the circus before pomni showed up and therefore they aren't fully adjusted. however personally i think that its more about them not wanting to get immersed in the game. like they want to hold on to the idea of the real world outside of the circus and keep their 'humanity' intact despite everything
though according to gooseworx episode 3 is the zooble episode and they'll appear a LOT more afterwards, so i'm really excited for their character to get a lot more of the spotlight later down the line! here's hoping we get an explanation eventually hahaha :D
I KNOW!! it’s kinda weird that not more people are talking about this…
36:56 Kingler's moment of lucidity comes when he has the bucket on, which feels like it tracks well with the guys' previous discussion regarding the skyrim bucket.......
The writers really wanted to emphasize that this is psychological horror, just in case no one got it in the first episode.
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How is this horror in any way
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If you call this Psychological Horror I'm gonna cry
Why do people keep calling this psychological horror, its not horror at all
18:50 I can't help but wonder if The Fudge saying "You must be a master of unlocking things!" might be alluding to the theory that Jax is a hacker.
OOOOOOHHHHH that would explain why physics doesn't apply to him, he's using a client.
Omg, so far it’s seems like Jax could be a hacker, Kinger alluded to be an old computer scientist/expert, and Pomni seems to possibly be a game dev or something to do with gaming
@@ghostlyexe It could be that every human character was a dev for the program they're in; Caine is the TobyFox-style director or simply a 3D Modeler since that's his strong suit, Pomni is a stage designer likely (since she has blocks in her room)
I doubt Jax even works there, he could've just hacked them and got in that way (hence him being able to ignore physics).
It's a reference to Resident Evil, actually.
@@IceMetalPunk yeah but that reference only exists if Jax actually DOES have keys as a massive part of his story
the "dev" room is also often just a temp room in games, that is placed somewhere outbounds, but esentially works as a room to throw heavy or important assets, so when the game starts, the assets are loaded, and can easily be retrieved when needed without having to wait for the assets to load
45:16
my interpretation of this is that since Ragatha was the source of the bug (other than Kaufmo, which bugged Ragatha), Pomni got fixed too because the same bug passed on from Ragatha to Pomni.
So basically Caine fixed or restarted the code that bugged Ragatha meaning Pomni got fixed too.
One of her first lines in episode one was "I put on this headset and suddenly I'm here." She definitely knew the entire time.
edit: I took a class in game design, and there was *definitely* a point where we studied the different types of players and the categories they fall into. Jax and Ragatha are definitely opposites in this respect. Ragatha seems to be the type to immerse herself in whatever kind of adventure Caine makes for them while Jax is just an agent of chaos. We haven't seen much of the others to categorize them, but I wouldn't be surprised if each character represents a different player type.
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If you don’t mind me asking, what are some of the other types?
Gangle is probably the wishy-washy type of player, who gets super hyped for a game/update but then gets their enjoyment ruined for one reason or another, be it an element in the game or other players. I feel like this is emphasized by how she has started both episodes with her happy mask and an upbeat attitude only to have the happy mask shattered (once by Jax (another player) and once by an NPC)
Or in the same vein, she represents people who are discouraged easily whenever something becomes a little more challenging.
Kinger likely represents an older player who is curious about gaming but is totally confused and out of their element.
Kinger is the oldest of the main cast, being 48 years old iirc. He is, in theory, from a generation where there were either no video games or very simplistic ones (pong, 8-bit graphics, etc). It would make sense for him to be completely overwhelmed and constantly confused/lost. It also makes sense for him to focus on the few elements he DOES understand, such as insects
Zooble could represent the player who is very practical and doesn't really care about appearances. For example, if playing a game like Stardew Valley, they have a farm full of machines and crops. Everything on their farm serves a purpose, either to help their levels or profits. Nothing is there for aesthetic reasons, they play strictly by function over form.
Alternatively, since Zooble's appearance is confirmed to change every episode, they could be the opposite extreme, where they wear whatever armor pieces they like best. They don't care if their costume doesn't match or if all the decorations on their Animal Crossing island clash, they like what they like and that's how they intend to play.
Zooble also has the vibes of a "I don't do side quests" type of player. They are here for the main story/to reach the main goal, everything else is a waste of time.
kinger seems to go along with things but doesn't fully understand what's happening, he jsut does his best to help when he's lucid. and gangle is the type who gets bullied into doing most of the work. and pomni at least at the start jsut doesn't wanna go along with anything and jsut wwants the game to be finished quickly so she can do taxes.
I think what's even more telling about the thing with the headset is Jax's reaction to her trying to pull it off.
Something along the lines of "just keep trying, it worked so well for all of us" - strongly implying that most of them had a similar initial reaction and shares the same awareness of the world outside the circus...
Not to mention Caine acknowledging that he knows how much they wish for an exit... basically all of episode one was about them knowing XD
The fact that Matpat automatically went to the theory of one of the main cast actually being an npc while presumably not having seen any of the recent shorts claiming the same thing just proves how much of a theorist he is
So so sad that only bots took not off your comment man
There are WAY too many bot replies; hopefully UA-cam will do something about it soon... Though I doubt it.
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I mean its not a hard thing to latch onto, what with caine acting all ftraumatised as if something happened
Just wanna say, gooseworx confirmed that they only forgot their names, not their past lives
My theory with Jacks being a NPC is that I forget his name but the geometric shape character brought him to the circus and convinced cane that he was a human probably by saying "wait you don't remember him he's been here the whole time he went in with us" which is why geometric guy is able to beat him up while still getting jacks respect, because Jack knows he wouldn't be their otherwise.
They did show Caine DID fix Pomni’s hand in the pilot. It was Pomni’s right/red hand that glitched, not her left/blue one, which is the arm that abstracted in her dream. And we see her hands are solid through episode 2. So it was fixed.
And Ragatha talking Pomni she isn’t mad about the day before wasn’t really passive-aggressive, if only for the fact that it’s HER saying it. In the first episode, she did something similar when asking Pomni for help when Koufmo attacked her. “Please help me… or not, it’s ok, I understand.” I think she’s socially awkward with low self-confidence. Like “it’s ok, OF COURSE you don’t want to same ME, I know I’m not worth it” and “don’t worry about yesterday, I forgive you. I understand why you left me, I would have left me too.” She seems like a socially awkward, self-deprecating social butterfly. She wants to make other happy and feel welcomed because she feels she has no other use, but she fumbles about it not knowing how to do that.
Wow that’s literally me
I think it’s interesting to note that it doesn’t actually say they had all their memories wiped, or they don’t have their memories. Just that they can’t remember their names. We don’t actually know how much of their memories they have.
The devs have stated that they only forgot their names.
46:02 about the 4th wall breaking thing, it's not only jax and caine who broke the 4th wall, it was also ragatha. when she got stabbed bye the spike during the chase scene she glanced at us but it isn't really noticeable since it was only a few seconds until it changed to another scene.
40:52 I think this part at least confirms the gang is all human since adding npcs to the mix would be bad as Cain implies
Pomni definitely knew she was from a "different world" in episode one. She knew she appeared in the circus after wearing a headset and she never acted like she was originally from the circus. Remember that one of the main storylines of episode 1 was Pomni trying to escape back to her original world.
Also, Caine 100% fixed Pomni's hand when he fixed Ragatha. You literally saw Pomni's hand being back to normal afterwards. There's really no room for debate on that one.
Caine grabs the glitched hand when he pulls her out of the void, which seems to fix it. They make a point of her noticing it was fixed when she saw him fix Ragatha.
@@kalmeira9502 Oh, good point. Regardless, her hand is definitely fixed by the end of episode 1.
24:20 I think they should rewatch the pilot episode. Pomni clearly knew that she’s from the “real world”, talking about putting on the headset and arriving in the circus. She then spends the whole first episode trying to escape back to the real world through the exit. And all the other characters talked about how they went through the same experience as her but ultimately gave up finding the exit to return to the real world.
44:59 Yeah they definitely need to rewatch it. Pomni’s hand was clearly fixed at the end of the pilot episode.
I was thinking the same thing. Honestly, they were thinking too deep on a lot of stuff. It's a little frustrating
They need to see this comment PLEASEEE I WAS THINKING THE SAME THINGGGG
18:50 The Fudge's comment, "You must be a master of unlocking things!" makes me question whether he's hinting to the possibility that Jax is a hacker.
Another cool fact is that when they mentioned the 'funeral' of Kaufmo, everyone that was onscreen (kind of including Pomni in a way) was visibly distraught. Ragatha was (kind of) fidgeting(?), Zooble was rubbing her arm, Jax looked sad but shook it off to hide his vulnerability, and Pomni.. well, i'm slightly unsure if she's just shocked about Gummigoo or also sad about Kaufmo (she hasn't even met the dude properly yet, so mostlikely just about Gummigoo).
I really want to point out, as someone with dysnomia (literally: difficulty naming). We where only told that Pomni can't remember her NAME. It is possible to remember absolutely everything about something with years of detail and specifics and still forget it's name. It's real, it does happen. We don't know if she has forgotten anything else about her life yet, just her name!
It is told that they only forget their names(and maybe some other like personal details about them themselves)
So far I have the impression they haven't lost all their memories, just the ones relating to personal identity, so it's possible pomni new of the idea of npc's in her past life
its canon that they only forgot their names
Jax's reaction to me was like an "im sad about it, but i dont want to show it since im not like that"
Caine saying he's going to go drink water and then disappearing makes me think that he is actually someone sitting in front of a computer monitor taking a break to rehydrate and probably stretch or something.
It's interesting how people's presumptions take over because I think the main discussion is where the line between memory and knowledge is. Pomni and players have no memory of identity, but the first thing Pomni says is about the headset she was wearing to get into this game and she knows she isn't a child, and Jax mentioned something from Charlie Chocolate Factory this very episode. They have knowledge of their world to know this is a game and to know they are trapped and not just popped into existence with pre-existing knowledge as a video game character like GummiGoo.
I do see each character showcasing a different play style, Jax being chaotic evil trying to break the game, Kinger liking the details and Ragatha always on the pacifist route
It's not even a matter of memory and knowledge, it's cannon that they only forgot their names.
@@kalmeira9502 I've only watched the videos, I don't follow Glitch on X or anything.
“How am I supposed to eat something that’s not made of candy?”
Big mood, Fudge Blob Thingama-Dude
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I believe the main cast is some mix of developers, game testers and or relatives of the developers. So Jax is just some chaotic player who always pick the evil options just to see what happens.
around 25:09 they forgot to remember in the first episode, Pomni is trying to take off the headset and pulls out her own eye instead.
44:13 i see jax’s reaction as him changing his sympathetic reaction when he notices the camera switched to him and snaps back into, maybe remembering that he doesn’t care about these people, following the theory that jax is possibly a hacker? possibly
ooh never thought of it this way cool
Pomni knew she was human in episode one. She recalled putting on the headset before coming to this world, but she didn't recall her name. She was aware that she was human. It's only been 1 day since episode one. I don't think they needed to update her that much. She just had trouble adjusting to the act that she's in a game and her life is now trapped here.
Its not the fact that pomni is remembering more things, its just the fact you guys keep misinterpreting the fact that her ONLY lost memory was her name
also- and this is a theory of my own i believe. the fact that Cain, in the beginning of the episode, said that he is "Testing out a new AI" tells me that this virtual universe that Pomni and the others find themselves in is still in development.
Which also makes me think that maybe, unlike Pomni and the others, Cain is not a virtualized engram of a person. maybe they are the developer just playing their game/interacting with the universe they have built. Since it would be highly unlikely that a process/tread can not modify the code of the program it is part of since, well a program changing itself can lead to many problems.
26:00 I don't think the first episode said anything about Pomni forgetting everything from the real world. They only said she forgot her name. In fact when she first appeared in the world she was trying to figure out how to take the headset off, thus she know she put some kind of headset on.
They didn't seem nearly devastated enough about Gummigoo being straight up unalived
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"Devestated enough" bruh
I don't know about you but I kinda laughed when it happened
what i think about jax's expression when they were talking about the funeral is that he got sad for a split second then got mad
My little Game Theory:
“Jax had a friend/lover that abstracted and was forgotten”
something like that
I think the guys forgot that people who enter the circus forget ONLY their names. They don't lose memories of anything else.😂
Yeah- and they also don’t think panic and adrenaline from ending up somewhere in a new situation exists also lol-
My guess is they probably didn't rewatch ep.1 before reaching to this one.
@@insertianameia2224 More than likely no
@@circusdremfnafsmp6845 right? Matpat has come to a point where he thinks every action, word, or expression a character makes is intentional and that everything can mean anything.
To be fair it was 6 months ago, I don’t think anyone else would remember after that long.
By the way, Glitch is very aware of fandom stuff. They made a little in between, non-canon video advertising their merch, and teasing what's next to come in the series. They addressed the fandom in that video.
I thought it was obvious in the first episode that Pomni is semi-aware of her situation. She remembers putting the "weird" headset on and then showing up in the circus. And when she sees what is presumably her office desk she freaks out about it. The one thing that she doesn't remember is her name.
Matt seems to have forgotten that we know about the oculus thing that sucked her in, because she says it in the first 5min of episode 1! It honestly seems like the only thing she forgot is her name, kinda like when you join an online rpg. You put on a different name and face to immerse yourself in the world but you still know how video games work, and a bit more if you build them.
In fact, I think the issue will be her losing her memory of the outside the longer she is trapped her.
Im so glad mat pat is still on something and he didn't fully retire
Lol look at all the obese discord mods in the comments
He said he’s staying on gtlive until the end of summer unfortunately
@@InYourhouse448ikr they’re on every top comment here bro
@@InYourhouse448lol they boost the algorithm 😂
@@GreatestNate888 He actually hasn’t confirmed that he’ll leave then (unless he’s said something new recently), just that he would stay AT LEAST until the end of the summer, which means he may stay longer, that’s just the time we have guaranteed.
45:30 I mean they showed her looking at her hand seeing it was fixed in the first episode.
Her dream is likely just a nightmare of the trauma.
That one song still haunts my dreams
Gummigoo, where are youuuu..😔
35:18 Matt and Dan have gone so far down the ai and robot rabbit hole that they forgot that human emotions exist 😭
Pomni knew she came from another world she just couldn’t directly remember some things about herself
I mean- for the talk about Pomni’s new knowledge compared to the first episode it’s possible she knew that in the first episode it was just like the panic and stress of suddenly ending up in the circus wasn’t letting her think straight. Now she’s calmed down and slept and stuff so now she remembers.
It's not new, she remembered everything except her identity in the first episode, it's the same now. She's just using it now since it helped in the situation. The first episode she tried to gaslight herself into believing she was dreaming and she was focusing on the fact that she didn't remember her identity, that's all.
@@polecat6534 Yeah- I was talking about them saying it’s new information when that’s far from true
What I don't understand is why they think Pomnis' hand is still glictched when the source of the issue was removed by Caine
And it wasn't glitching after that moment when she looks at it again, noticing somethong changed, as though it stopped hurting like Ragatha said "I'm in so much pain" when she appears in that scene
44:03 I have a theory on why Jax reacted in that way. Maybe he had a past friend in the circus that did abstract, but nobody else liked them so they didn’t have a funeral. Maybe that’s why Jax wants things to be more interesting: He is experiencing boredom without his friend.
in line with the whole "one of them is an npc" idea. I think Ragatha might be the npc, and her role in the game world is as a therapy doll. keeping the players emotionally stable, and shes not doing a good job so shes getting desperate and getting clingy.
She had a weird expression when Kinger said "i remember how long it took you to adjust", making me think she was either already there before people came in, or she was patched in as a support when people started going crazy.
I kinda like this more than the Jax being a Npc theory
So the thing is gooseworx said the only thing they dont remember their name, but they remember everything else
I really don’t understand how Game Theory came to the conclusion of “complete amnesia” from “Why can’t I remember my name?!”
@@atticusbulan3508Right? For being smart they tend to make some pretty dumb assumptions-
@@circusdremfnafsmp6845 i mean, last episode was like 6 months ago.
can you blame them?
where did they say this
@@thepotatoofheaven I think either Twitter or maybe tumblr or something- I know that somehow someone asked and they confirmed it- look it up I’m sure you’ll find it
44:44 two fish, a carrot and a fork... Works everytime!
Also, Ash sounds happy.
Pomni said at the beginning of the first episode that she put on a headset and got transported to this world. She does have some memory of it and I think shes just accepted it more.
Also you didn't seem to point out that Jax wasn't at the funeral at the end
17:28 This is a simulation but it does seem like the line between NPCs and humans gets blurry, which is why Caine has to separate who's who. To quote the Good Place "the people aren't real but their pain is".
That quote makes no sense
@@cajunking5987 It's in the sense that the NPCs are still beings with feelings even if they're artificially made. If made sufficiently advanced, like Gimmigo, then it would be hard to distinguish them from an actual person.
Great show, awesome quote.
I'm calling it now that Digital Circus pulls a lot of concepts from Good Place and Deltarune
Until proven otherwise I'm in the camp of caine is of course an npc who had the dedicated role of ringleader who has since adapted to fit his current role of taking care of the people who've gotten stuck in the program and as an npc he can't really tell that a human is a human and an npc is an npc because that wasn't originally something he was intended to keep track of so after he messed up the first time he has to constantly make sure he doesn't again (maybe an abel pc was in the system and got mistaken as an npc)
47:43 "I think he's an ant-uh-gone-ist." Thank you, Lee. I shall pronounce this word in that way for now on. XD
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29:38 I wanna add to this conversation, maybe the fact that pomni was annoyed at being treated like a child was from her not being taken seriously back in her own world, so she took the caring mum attitude from Ragatha and translated it to being treated like a child, therefore her comforting is different.
there is no "interpreting" the endign of the last episode: we are straight up SHOWN DIRECTLY that pomi's hand was fixed by caine along with ragatha. it's not a "theory", its something the camera zooms in on and shows us outright.
The nightmare is meant to show how pomni is not only scared of abstracting like everyone else but that noone cares about her and would just forget about her if it did happen, which is also why she was distancing herself from everyone and acting like she was alone. it does not directly tie to her glitching hand.
The master of unlocking things is probably also a reference to the fact that Jax somehow has Keys to pretty much everywhere like with Kaufmo's room in episode 1.
Finally, I can hear theories alongside my own. Incredible to hear it _finally_ be brought up that Pomni knows more than she did last episode.
What do you mean? :03
I’m pretty sure she always knew most of what she knows now, she was just too confused in the first episode for her to say much
I don't think she really does. She didn't seem to *believe* she was trapped in a digital world but she knew what was supposedly going on. Now that she's had some time to adjust to the idea that she's stuck there, it doesn't seem unexpected to me that she'd understand how a game world works.
@@pundertalefan4391that within a few hours she suddenly understands, and has accepted, that she was human
Pomni only forgot her name, she has other memories and knowledge
Pomni always knew she wasn't from the digital world. Like, one of the first thing she says in episode 1 is that the last thing she remembers is putting on a vr headset. She just couldn't remember her name or who she was. The whole of episode 1 was about her trying to escape through the exit
When gummigoo found out he was an NPC who else instantly thought he was having a buzz lightyear moment
Pomni doesn't remember who she is, it doesn't mean she doesn't remember anything, her amnesia affects her and her memories of who she was, but she still knows the things from her world like VR headsets, children, eras of history, depression, etc
Holy shid they really botting every comment here
45:25 at the end of episode 1, when ragatha was fixed from being glitchy, pomno looked down and realized her hand WAS fixed, but it had been fixed for a while. My theory is it became fixed because of the fake exit room/the void.
Yeah, her hand was straight-up fixed at the end of episode 1. She literally holds her hand up, turns it around a bit, and it’s visibly fixed. That’s not something that I would think would be debated.
Pomni knows she's from another world, and she's known that since the first episode. She remembers putting on the headset, and the transfer from the headset to the Digital Circus.
What I find interesting is that even though her memories are erased her emotions are intact. I wonder how that works 😅
its almost like some of the characters seem to have special skills or knowledge like Jax with keys, kinger and having outside knowledge of the games/future but forgets, and pomni with game dev knowledge
25:33 dear mattpat, idk how you came to the conclusion that pomni had her memory completely wiped but i never saw it that way. in my personal perception of what happened in the first episode, pomni has complete memory of everything, except for the memorize relating to herself that seemed to be erased, like for example she knew what a vr headset was and that she was in some sort of virtual world thus proving that she has knowledge of everything from her life only that she doesnt remember who she is and what she did, seeing how she was unable to remember her name and other stuff.
I really really love this episode I also really love how jax Was Violent in this episode
And also anyone notice how zooble "I thought he would never leave" Near the end, Is it just me or is there more to that than meets the eye
it might be as simple as pomni just standing there for a while, and the only time context given is zooble's statement. it's similar to a gag in the 3rd episode of attack on titan.
44:59 They showed Pomni's hand was fixed. When Caine fixed Ragatha in episode 1, Pomni checked her hand and saw that it was back to normal as well.
Also I find it very interesting that MatPat almost immediately came to the conclusion that at least one of the main characters is an NPC. Even the theory master himself is catching on to that possibility. Makes me excited for a potential big reveal moment.
going along with the thought of it being a game, the crew may represent different types of players. Jax is always action focused, Ragatha is focused on relationships, etc
There’s a theory that Jax could be an NPC. I’m personally getting more and more into this idea. They recently released pins whose backgrounds showed the characters’ rooms. Everyone’s is normal, except for Jax. We see him outside of his door with the void behind it. With his advanced knowledge of constantly breaking the fourth wall, I think he’s an AI advanced far beyond what Caine intended. Maybe he was a normal NPC at one point, but slipped into the void and managed to find code somewhere in that, or was maybe an NPC used so frequently that he gained sentience. Not sure, but definitely leaning into this theory.
(Another smaller theory I have is that Jax might be a hacker that got stuck. That’s a more out there thought, but still one I started to entertain).
It’s actually a really good theory and I’m thinking it might be at least pretty close to true
I'd think this if it weren't for the fact Gooseworks gave canon ages for when people entered
I thought that too, however, I feel like the most likely person to be the NPC would be Gangle, since they don’t really have a personality of their own. They act happy with their comedy mask, and then all blue when it’s broken. It doesn’t seem like Gangle has control over their emotions despite their character design which makes me think Gangle is the NPC.
*No Gummigoo, get out of there! Caine will find you! Gummigoooooooooo!!*
Wth
@@Ballora83 just report the spammer
I was spoiled on Gummi's fate between part 1 and 2, and it made watching this so much more fun.
I also think Jax isn’t there in the ending scene where they grab pomnis hand bc she doesn’t view him as a friend since their only interactions aren’t what you’d call friendly interactions
12:30 Yeah, there were a few DDLC mods like that, where they would come to realize things like Natsuki's Dad not actually being programmed into the game. Always fun to have your video game characters have weird existential crises like that :)
Funny how Matt didnt immediately go HUH?! or pause the video when Pomni said she isnt an expert on this stuff.
Yeah lol
she isnt a coding dev bugs can be unpredictable when first finding them
It’s because both him and Lee were going off of the assumptions that Pomni doesn’t remember certain things from her past even though it’s only been confirmed that she can’t remember her name.
I think they are underestimating how much Pomni actually knew in episode 1. It’s probably just because they haven’t seen the episode in a little while, but Pomni was just confused on why she couldn’t remove the headset. She thought it was a nightmare, but she knew about how she got into a game and everything. So once she accepted this wasn’t a dream, she knew she was trapped in a game.
I was so horrified when Gummigoo was straight up killed. I thought he’d be a new member there and Pomni would have a friend she trusted but nope he’s just gone and so quickly 😭