Is the AEG / Ridgid Framing Nailer Really as Good as I think it is?
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I have the hitachi nail gun and a bit of silicone spray every couple of weeks and it goes all day. That’s all the sleeve needs 👍🏻
The #1 complaint of the Milwaukee framer is it losing power, so you may legitimately get better reliability from the AEG with it's user serviceable air cylinder. Tradies can carry a small MTB shock pump and never have to worry about losing power.
I recently purchased the milwaukee framer and haven't had any issues with losing power. Now of course that depends on what battery you use. Mine came with the 5ah battery but I've been using the 6ah ho battery and seems to give it more power. Draw back is the extra weight added to the already 10lb gun, which brings me to the only issue I have is the weight. But after using it regularly you get used to it. As for the "air" canister, milwaukee uses a nitrogen system so no servicing. Just hope when they do a gen 2 it'll be lighter than the first
The main complaint where I'm at in the states is how godawful heavy the darn thing is. I love mine but mine but man my arms got a work out while getting used to it. My #1 issue with it is actually with the extended magazine. Can only fit 2 racks on empty, but when refilling can still only put in 1... such a waste.
@@r.deanmcknight136 bigger battery will increase fire rate, but not sinking power, which comes from pressure in air/nitrogen cylinder. Air/nitrogen cylinder will leak as it has moving parts and moving seals - impossible to perfectly seal. Some people will get several years before loss of power, others have had it after a few months. Only way to recharge nitrogen cylinder is to get approved repair centre to do it. Someone with the right equipment could disassemble and do it themselves, but this is a lot harder than attaching any 120psi capable pump/compressor to an external schraeder valve.
@@bearlemke yeah, I was going to mention the weight but didn't want to go off on a tangent. I have no need for a nailer but picked one up in a store when it first came out and holy hell I was shocked (have used a paslode a few times). That thing would be brutal for any sustained workabove waist height. Fine for decks/flooring, though.
@ Tool Scientist You do get slightly better penetration with higher output batteries on the AEG and Milwaukee
Wish Makita would hurry the fark up with there nailer.. I'm not even a chippy and I'm never gonna buy one I'm a diesel mechanic but I'm just excited for them too crush millfukee 💪
They got Gas Cartridge gun don’t they
@@AuaLe yeh they do, and pnumatic
Long post - apologies if you don't care 😁
Milwaukee and AEG seem to use a rack and pinion. Motor runs in reverse to charge air spring, and then forwards to fire (presumably there's a 'handbrake' so the motor isn't holding it back the whole time). The more powerful batteries have less voltage sag so can hit higher RPM. The smaller batteries can't and therefore hold the spring back more. You should get a similar effect when comparing a freshly charged battery to a nearly empty one - the fresh battery should sink a little further.
The Hikoki is using the Senco mechanism which has a specially shaped pinion with a 1/4 gap in the teeth (more like pins, though). The motor charges the air spring until pinion is just before the 1/4 gap. To fire the pinion rotates into the 1/4 gap and the piston moves unimpeded by the motor. So you will get the same driving power with any battery or state of charge. My guess with the Hikoki cutting out at 2 bars charge is that it can no longer produce enough torque to get the cylinder into the ready to fire position.
Noggins! I’ve just recently purchased the AEG Sub Compact drill and impact driver kit. Very very impressive. It would be great if you could do more AEG cordless tools. 👍😉🇦🇺
Finally someone noticed the multivolt battery issue as the gun is 18volt however once the gun stops at 2 bars it will still run on 36v tool as I have the 36 circ saw
Dwangs and noggins are used interchangeably here in Wellywood.
I have always found if my Hi Koki starts misfiring it just needs some silicone spray in the magazine and it is away again. Had three years ish(branded hitachi) and never had any other issues
I have a Ridgid 18 gauge brad nailer... battery powered. and it has been outstanding.
Have the metabo coworkers have the milwaukee and ridgid so have used all those. Ridgid reminds me of the Paslode milwaukee is like a mix of paslode/pneumatic and the metabo feels like your shooting a pneumatic using all three I'd say there all very capable
Nogs in the North Island and Dwangs in the South Island... I have worked in both... lol
I am fully locked into AEG and and have most of their gear and has never let me down yet... I have had more problems with DeWalt and Makita than I have with AEG...
I thought you were an Hikoki nailer guy?
Good review: nice of AEG to add the user serviceable air valve. I’m sure the next gen M18 will have that. But yeah, I doubt I would choose the AEG over the Milwaukee for $100 saving. I used to have a few AEG tools, but they were a bit crap compared to others. Still have the Stealth oil impulse driver, it’s a good strong tool.
Isn't the m18 nitrogen filled rather than air
I sprayed a bit of oil up the magazine and into the spring of the nail clip. This stopped my dry fire problem for a good while. Just needs it every so often.
I have the hikoki with 3ah batteries. It fires around 300 nails I think. I agree that it does dry-fire too often. Also it turns off too quickly, and doesn't give you enough time to press the trigger when you are trying to line up the lumber before nailing. Even one or two more seconds of time would make a big difference!
The older 18V Hikoki/Metabo HPT are good nailers but the newer 36V really do a nice job with better performance all around
Ridgid/EAG is a good gun however
The fast timeout is indeed the most annoying thing about it, especially in renovation when I need to maneuver the fat body into some awkward position.
Never had any dryfire though, I'm about 1000 nails through it.
My Hikoki has the same problems, with the 18v 3ah battery can be fired until the battery dead, the multi volt can't. On youtube I saw someone put a Hikoki pneumatic frame gun magazine on it, seems work well.
36V is much better, remember the 18V was the first real framer yrs and yrs ago and is old tech but still competes with the newest if the others at a great price
Thanks Scott have really appreciated your clips and the tool tests. I have watched the previous clip comparing the top brand framing nailers and was going to purchase the Milwaukee. Price is the issue here in your clip you say the AEG is close to the price of the Milwaukee in NZ. I live in NZ and the Milwaukee is $769 bare tool at NZ Safety and the AEG is $749 at Bunnings. I agree Bunnings is ratcheting up both the AEG and Ryobi brands to the point they are not good value.
The cordless brushless planer is really solid
Also, I have Milwaukee nail guns (23ga, 18ga, 18ga 1/4 inch crown staple, 15ga) but when it came to a framing gun I held the Milwaukee gun and my god it’s a beast, with a 5ah battery which I own, and a rack of nails in it it, it was well over 14lbs! I do much more finish than framing so I was gonna just take the hit but there is the odd job where I end up doing a lot of framing for 2 or 3 weeks, and I’m told from full time framer friends who have tried the gun that the weight just becomes unworkable when you’re doing ceiling joists all day, to the point of they were using that much energy/muscle strength using it that they would rather lug in a compressor and hose, basically defeating the point of it lol
I went with a Paslode in the end and it took some getting used to for sure but honestly I love it now, I wouldn’t convert all my guns to paslode necessarily but for a framing gun, has great power and weighs nearly half the Milwaukee framing gun, yes you have to put gas in etc. but one gas canister last 1000 nails and one battery like 8000 they claim, and the gas is included with the nails so I really don’t see why people find this to be such an issue lol
I've had all the same problems with the hikoki
Seems a well thought out tool
I have the Hikoki. Good gun but mine has the same issues as yours. Hate the turn off feature. Always when you are struggling go to fire and it's off. No free hand to turn back on. Pain. Home refill of the AEG potentially good idea. Hikoki being air most of my local tool shops have the adapter to refill. The same shops also tell me they can't refill Milwaukee. And yet to find anyone that can in my region. Milwaukee say you can but their nominated repairers say they can't. I'm old and way back AEG were very good tools. I have had a few of them in the days before take over. They have been a few colours. Most of mine were black. Their SDS drills were some of the first after Bosch. They were also quick to the cordless drill market. I had them too. Now like most under some joint blanket corporation. Their contact centre for Australia is in Asia somewhere and pretty much hopeless. But then yet to find a brand with good after sales customer service. Dewalt are notoriously bad even in the US. And agree with the comment on AEG pricing. Reasonable when at a lesser price. Not so good at big brand competitors prices. These same tools are a prosumer brand as they put it in the US. Not totally budget but sold pretty cheap in big box stores. As always NZ and Oz get totally ripped off on power tools.
Wow. Thanks for talking about the issues with the Hiking/metabo/Hitachi. I have two and both don't work with the 36v batteries as advertised. Spoke to several reps here in Canada and they seem to brush off the problem as a battery not well programed and gave me replacement batteries twice. But still doesn't fully discharge the 36v batteries. It does work fine on 18v batteries.
(So what's the point of running a battery twice the size and weight if it only gives you the same juice as a smaller 18v)
Also I have lots of problems with not firing nails like you. Cleaning does help but still an issue.
The point is most of them have way more power with a double row 18v battery. Alas, there is only the multivolt and it’s lovely two bars issue. The new smaller 18ga (ok, a year old now) does run equally well on the shitty compact batteries. So that’s good, I suppose.
@@robertrada4783 You can't get double row cell 18v batteries in the US? Maybe that's why they came out with the gen2 framers.
I have the M18, and usually change out the battery when it gets down to 2 bars. When it's on 1 bar, the gun sounds like crap and fires slower.
I just bought the Ryobi framing gun, I think it’s the same. Both Techtronic industries. Not premium price
Hi
Thank for nice video
i have aeg gun second hand one
Problem is air leak
When i use gun power getting lose
I don't know why how can i fix but it's annoying to me
Any one has same?
I like nogs best dwangs are heard of but noggin's come from old English I used all my life
The secondary trigger is nice. Would you prefer how it is, or a low profile thumb button like newer Makita circs? I've often thought that the Dewalt would be a lot better with a thumb button to preemptively spin up the flywheel.
How it is is perfect. You don't have to think about it, it's just always on as you trigger it just by holding the tool. So easy.
could you test and review senco battery nailer?(Senco Fusion F35XP) it looks nice but id love to know how it compares to all the other brands
I dont have a strong opinion against AEG battery tools. To be fair, ive only ever used their drill, and jiggy. And they were 1 off borrowings. Rigid, well. Their 240v drop saws arent half bad.
As for framing guns, never needed to use one. Only ever needed a gas battery powered for doing max of 35mm into concrete. It was a ramset. Same as my preferred rotary hammer drill. Ramset.
Battery ramsets, great for upto say 16mm. But for stuff like 32mm through a slab, you want to drag out the extention cord and the 240v ramset. Bigger then that, sub contract a concrete cutter to do it.
I won't buy AEG because their belt sander melted on me under normal use. I had a Bosch first, I accidentally sucked a bolt into it. I then got ryobi and it was not practical due to shape. Then the AEG couldn't cut it. Now I have the Makita 9403 and it is Very good - so much power.
Noggins in England, dwangs in Scotland
In the states the fact that it’s “rigid” brand would make it on par with the Milwaukee. It’s a little cheaper than Milwaukee, you get the lifetime service agreement instead of 5yrs with Milwaukee (also includes rigid batteries) and the fact that it’s refillable is the game changer!
No one who uses Milwaukee tools would put them on par with ridgid.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL as an old Milwaukee guy, I would agree. Until I got into the line. Now I’m not so sure. Especially since they are both manufactured by TTI. I don’t think they are as different as many may think. When it comes to this nailer specific which got my to buy it and not the Milwaukee version is the fill port! Here in the states it’s not even advertised as a feature. I found it watching reviews
I had an AEG 4pc kit the drill and impact driver were good but the reciprocating saw had horrible vibration and the circular saw just didn't feel accurate at all. I prefer Hikoki or Makita as they a far more refined and backed up by good after hours service. They may not be as powerful as Milwaukee but they get you to the end without horrible vibration and fatigue.
Time for me to upgrade from my dated but trusty dewalt gun ($400 with a battery few years ago) and the ever faithful paslode.
AEG over Milwaukee and Hikoki ?
$200 cheaper and get the Bunnings warranty and convenience
I've had a milwaukee one for 2 years and it died. Nitrogen leaked and firing pin seized. Went and bought a new one to finish out the job. Went through milwaukee service and they replaced it with a new one.
I just can't go back to air or gas paslode.
I have the metabo-hpt variant in the states, with the 21 degree one (plastic collated) and 18v one, and it's been pretty decent although I've probably only shot a few hundred nails, so far. It was a few hundred bucks cheaper. There is an adapter for that one to refill it, but it is complicated and more money (If you can even do it). The advantage of the AEG/RIGID is the lifetime warranty they have here, if that works for the nailguns. If I had the batteries I'd do it, but I don't, and I paid the same price for the Hikoki with two batteries a charger and a 18v brad combo. If there was a ryobi version I probably would have grabbed it (have a ton of those batteries laying around).
AEG only give 3 years on the framing nail gun when registered and not the 6 years like other 18 volt tools
The Metabo HPT' s are great and we're out yrs before anyone else had a cordless nailer that was even plausible for real work
Their newer 36V is a great great framer
Are noggins and dwang what we call blocking?
Indeed
Thanks for the speed test at the end, I almost bought one of these but, as you say, couldn't justify the price for brand when the Hikoki had the very attractive 36v platform. Definitely a shame about the dry-fire "Feature" or rather "Pain in the ass" quality where it looks like the AEG outclasses the Hikoki.
So good to see a "Tools and Stuff" review on this mate. Your reviews are comparable to Project Farm reviews, you two are the best in my eyes.
Have a good weekend 🤙
So far no dry fires on my Hitachi nailer , i wanted 21° version that shoots whole head nails and they phoned me after i ordered it to verify that i wanted 21° version .
Its still Hitachi , when those 21° nailers are not in high demand here and it was a kit , came with 2 x 5 Ah batteries and a drill , i dont like Hikoki 18v batteries , those have no indicators and nailer has just 2 lights to show the charge level , so cant be sure if batteries are charged or not .
I do have bad experience from DeWalt frame nailer , rented one and it was brand new and it stopped operating completely after hundred nails ... luckily that was rented .
Can you show us a video on how to re fill the tank please? manual is very veg on the matter.
Considering Milwaukee and AEG are owned by the same company in TTI. Is this not just a re skined uglier version of the milwaukee nailer? Seems pretty similar apart from the valve to pump up the cylinder.
Hi mate, great vid . How did you do to set your gun up so quite ? Cheers
Do you think you can make video with some update after using this nailer for couple months? 🙂
Can you compare Milwaukee and senco framing nailers please
Nice vid 👍. Perhaps do a drill comparison with current Fusion drill along with the new AEG anti-kickback & gen 4 Milwaukee when they come out. I find my AEG powerful but don’t like the bulkiness like the XGT. Keep up the good work..
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18v Hikoki does run the battery flat. Try cleaning the mag with crazy foam cleaner. The buttons are the pits though
We call them bridgers in Ireland
That's just madness!!!
UK carpenter working in US (Southern California) I may be being stupid or something but I genuinely have never heard of nogs or dwangs? I actually don’t even have a clue what you’re referring to as all I could see were studs and blocks? Are the blocks the dwangs? Maybe we just don’t say it in my crew I work with or something lol I’m definitely gonna be asking everyone now though
Nogs/Dwangs are your guys Blocks or Blocking.
Hey just brought Senco F-35XP . What u can say vs yours AEG. Seems similar.
Can u do a review of the skillsaw aeg
Really makes you wonder why Makita hasn't made one yet
Hi bud
Maybe waiting for everyone elses to see does and doesn't work so they can produce a beast.
Silicone lube spray will sort that magazine out on the Hikoki
Too many injuries from bump fire?
How does the weight compare to the others??
I have a love / hate relationship with tool videos.
When I’m looking to buy a tool, I was reviews to plainly state which one s best.
Once I own a tool, I want to hear how wise my choice was. I certainly don’t want to hear that last week’s purchase is now obsolete kludge!
Cool video reviews
Thanks
The Metabo hpt nail guns here in the states are refillable if they start to lose power
Not like the AEG/ Ridgid. Metabo HPT is Hikoki and you can't refill them yourself.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL It’s not as user friendly but it can be done. The issue is, I got rid of all of my compressors. 😂
Yeah but not without pulling them apart. Not a standard user serviceable part, nor something advertised as a feature.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL You don't need to pull it apart, just a plastic cap. Of course you need the service tool (regulator and brass fitting) but you can get it from amazon for 60 US$. Also you need to peel the sticker (or drill a small hole) to get to the bump fire button to put it in maintenance mode.
So I'll stick with my original comment.
Here in Australia, they are called noggins!!
Hi mate I just want to know how and where you got that smaller rafter hook from? For the hikoki? I've been looking for them just can't seem to find them
That's what my one came with.
hikoki 371214 part number
Same look everywhere
They were giving away a nailer with a 4 piece kit the other day, 799 for the kit but the nailer is 999??? Idk how it works
That's how I got this one.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIALwould you say 799 for the four piece and the nailer is a good deal.
Yes. Unless you plan on using the tools a lot. As the bunnings reviews are enough to put me off most of their tools, but they have a good warranty and bunnings replaces them easily from what I hear.
I make my own f***n rules 😂 hahaha
Dwangs oh yeah!
youre need to clean hikoki magazine with air and 0 problems
Sounds like you got a bad hikoki tool. I have two and no issues with dry fire. One in 500 maybe?
Usually between magazines.
But that AEG does look like a better tool.
Not if you read the comments...
10:20 😂😂 boss stuff
My hikoki misfires all the time too. 😡
No chance you get 20k nails out of a tank. I've got one and I'm topping it up after about 2 or 3 boxes of nails
How many nails in a box 3k, 5k...?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I think 3k
So around 6k to 9k nails per tank you reckon?
20k is probably for 50mm nails into balsa wood.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yeah something like that. I've got the aeg high pressure compressor anyway and just leave the black cover piece off the inlet so it's really not that difficult to top up 1x a week. Still much more cost effective than running a passy with gas I suppose.
I call em stretchers because tables/stools 🤷
Can’t have those full autos in New Zealand 😂
Well I got really bad news for you I went through three rigid nail guns none of them will accept air into them you can pull the valve stem out of the gun and still shoot it not sure if it's a default at the manufacturer but I am three for three and none of them will accept air in them
nice bait haha, almost though makita relased it, can you imagine :D
There would have been a much bigger lead up... trust me.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yeah makes sense :) btw just ordered my first 40v tools, plunge saw and AS blower so can't wait to get them!
Dwangs. Did you bunk or wag school dude?
He's from the south you uncultured swine.... so yes
Wag
Ahh, so you holiday at a Bach, not a Crib, right?
If I had one, yes. Maybe it's a North / South thing...
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yeah, cribs and bunking don’t make it very far North. Standard in Southland, gone by Christchurch. Unsure about dwangs and nogs, I think dwangs make it a bit further north.
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Did anyone tell you, your smoke detector is making funny Beep's!
Don't tell the boss you watched an AEG video.
I call them dwogs
There's always one.
Noggins!!!!!!
Well I load a crap, try holding the sample piece of scrap wood instead of letting it bounce all over place.
Surely you could show the same test on a real frame
I'm guessing you haven't actually watched this video? Also, out of interest, what were you loading a crap into?
Fire locks lol
Wtf is a nog or a Dwayne???
dwang
Dwangs
too heavy
Noggins
Dress it up as you like.....but its hard to beat a Paslode.
hikoke is new rubbish.
you have small hands
Helps make your winkle look bigger.