Vintage Watch Restoration : Reviving a 1940 Optima Wristwatch
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Welcome to this engaging vintage watch restoration video! In this episode, we delve into the journey of reviving a 1940 Optima Wristwatch. Follow along as we explore the steps taken to breathe new life into this unloved and non-running timepiece from the 1940s. From sourcing the necessary parts to meticulously working on the hairspring, this video showcases every aspect of the restoration process. Join us on this fascinating vintage watch restoration adventure as we uncover the inner workings of the ETA1080 movement housed inside the Optima wristwatch. I hope you enjoy this watch repair video and be sure to commen, like and subcribe if you enjoyed this episode.
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Chapters
00:00 - 02:33 Intro. Fault Find Broken Mainspring
02:33 - 13:06 Dissembly of Watch Movement
13:07- 16:02 How to Source a New Mainspring
16:03 - 22:05 Pegging out & Parts Inspection
22:06 - 23:54 Fitting a New Mainspring
23:55 - 37:59 Assembly Train of Wheels
28:00 - 40:54 Removal of Balance wheel - Oil Shock Jewel
40:55 - 45.23 Hairspring Ajustment
43:24 - 46:11 Results of Hairspring Adjustment
46:12 - 51:11 Dial Side Assembly
51:12 - 52:12 Ajusting Hairspring Collet
52:13 - 53:59 Watch Hand Fitting
54:00 - 57:07 Timegrapher Results
57:08 - 1:00:20 Finished Watch
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About me:
My name is Mike and I am a hobbyist watchmaker. I am completely self-taught in watch repair and restoration. My channel is all about my journey of hobbyist of watchmaking. I have watch repair tutorials, watch restorations and watch repair videos. Some of my content you can easily follow along to if you are working on the same watch movement. My main focus is to document my journey and inspire more people into this wonderful hobby and demonstrate that this hobby can be very rewarding. I do not profess to be a professional watchmaker and in my videos, I show all my mistakes, mishaps, highs and lows and keep everything as honest as possible. It is easy to edit all the mistakes out and make my videos look perfect but I believe that keeping it real reflects the true reality of this hobby. So what are you waiting for? please check out my watch repair and restoration videos, get inspired and start your own watchmaking journey.
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The hairspring bit was nervewrecking but you made it look easy! Thank you for the watch. It will be cherished.
Ivan! thank you. Sorry it ended this way for the watch but it now has a new bit of history and at least its running. Enjoy hand hope it gives you inspiration!
@@MyRetroWatches It's part of the story and I am happy with it :)
Great job the watch works fine, you give new life it.
Hi Mike. Thanks for the balance tack and Rodico tip. Absolutely superb advice.
Most welcome.
I love this watch. I would wear it.
Mentor. Great video and comments. Followed your every move, breath holding and sighs in unison. I'm 6 years behind you, but enjoying every moment.
Thanks Ross thats fantastic. Its all a ladder and you will soon climb up it.
You've made a great job👍🙂
Красивый механизм, потрясающие часы. Отличная работа.
I hope you are well. I have visited your UA-cam channel and your video-making is
very good. Your content ideas are very good. Thank you so much.❤❤❤
Absolutely captivated by the restoration journey of the 1940 Optima Wristwatch! 🕰 The meticulous care and expertise showcased in bringing this vintage beauty back to life are truly commendable. It's like witnessing history unfold before our eyes. Major kudos to the talented hands behind this revival - a perfect blend of craftsmanship and passion. ⚙✨ #TimelessRevival #WatchEnthusiast
Definitely have had those moments! I'm still at the point in my journey where I'm thrilled if I can get a non-runner to run at all!
It’s All about enjoyment
Great work Mike. The Timergrapher results shows such a massive improvement with the all the work you did. I agree with you that the hairspring was probably replaced with one not of that watch. Other than the timing ( +/- ) the beat error and amplitude still look great so I do think it has to be the hairspring. You couldn't source a new one?
Thanks mate. Appreciate you commenting especially. It’s an improvement definitely but my mishap with the pinion will haunt me plus the positional errors. However I think I have demonstrated my limitations and how this hobby is not easy.
In my videos I do not make myself look like a watch god! Keeping it real!
I found these problems on Sunday last week, I was meeting Ivan on Tuesday so there was simply no time to react and find parts in time.
Thanks for the thorough coverage of the service on this interesting and gorgeous movement! These kinds of videos are very helpful for those just getting started.
Excellent video Mike. I wanted to let you know a trick I learned from a watchmaker friend. If you adjust the balance so the pallet fork is in the center of the banking pins, that will usually get your beat error very low to start. Then you can fine tune from there. I love your channel and can't wait for the next video. Cheers!
Thanks for the info I will try to remember and put it to use.
Thank you so much for your hard work and accuracy. You have a lot of patience. The hours are interesting and your comments and video quality are even more interesting.
Thank you very much!
Impressive work. Sorry about the seconds hand pivot issue. Thanks for the video.
Nice work !!!!!!
That's what i love about your channel, Mike you show it as it is no camera tricks or cutting out the disappointments that I'm sure happen to all of us, in this hobby.
I'm positive Ivan will love the watch, because of the care and hard work you put into restoring it. Great work Sir.
Thank you it means a lot this comment. Someone commented on my "fireman" video that I complained to much and it was unwatchable and ended with "back to Wristwatch revival I go" painful comment. I like Marshal but this work is to make him look like a pro, no real mistakes and all polished. I could do that with a script and editing but its not raw and real. Its probably why his channel is so successful and mine (one of the oldest on YT in this genre) has never really grown.
Nice little vintage watch. Thanks for the video on your work on it. You probably know by now that the seconds hand post may well have been broke off from the beginning. The pipe was probably just stuck down in the top of the canon pinion. The good news is that whoever broke it left it with the watch in some fashion regardless of the breakage. Cheers.
Ahhh the joys of watch repair. I really appreciate you showing the reality of watch repair. Your viewers should also appreciate you showing the timegrapher readings. It would have been very easy just to show the dial up position like everyone else and call it good.
Alex, thank you for watching the video. I always find it fascinating that professionals such as yourself would be enterained by my watch fumblings. However you do sum it up well in your comment. I like to keep it real and show the reality of this as a hobby and the highs and lows that become of it. I could edit it to look perfect but thats not me. Pleased you appreciate the positions too, I do this in all of my videos this year and beyond. Again its showing the reality.
@@MyRetroWatches I definitely think more noobs would have more realistic expectations if they watched your style video rather than one that makes it look too easy.
Hope you are well.
Alex
Great video, with a good ending.
Glad you think so, I was not too sure, I would have still liked to have finished the watch properly.
@@MyRetroWatches true, but it was a genuine video, not staged managed just to look good.
Ha! At 43:50 I realised I was holding my breath on your behalf. Great work and video production as ever.
Love that this comments sections is like a Who's Who of UA-cam watch makers, not just tinkerers either, some proper watch gods too.
Thank you. I think given more time I would have been able to get the positional error sorted but it is what it is. I am pleased all my UA-cam friends have commented on this one. I’ve been on this platform a very long time, possibly one of the early ones excluding my good friend Mark Lovick. 6.1/2 years now I think …!
Pleased my videos are appreciated by other creators. This video as not done as well as I had hoped with the general public. So much choice now with Watch repair channels I guess.
@@MyRetroWatches I’m one of those people , in a small way, stepping on the toes of the long time creators, just started in anger end of August. Looking at the others there seems to be a balance between showing too much ‘watchmaking’ in the video and audience size.
@@GWServices it depends on what you are on the platform for. Money or education. You can make yourself look brilliant and the unassuming public will crown you in glory or you can be like me and show the reality of this as a hobby.
I’ve seen many a channel fly past me in views and subs but their level of craft is equal to mine.
UA-cam is now pot luck on if you get success or not. I’ve given up on thinking this could ever be anything than me documenting my hobby and inspiring others. The people who like my channel like or practice the hobby rather than want the perfect restoration in 20 minutes max.
Good luck on the platform I will take a look at your videos. I hold no malice to any channel and only concentrate on what I’m doing or how I can improve my filming and editing.
Lovely stuff Mike!
thanks.
Top job on sorting out that hairspring! Clearly someone else had been in the watch before you. I wouldn’t be surprised if that center wheel arbor was already damaged before you pulled that second hand off. For positional errors, you could always uninstall the hairspring and check for poise. Then again, that would mean you need to repeat the beat error correction, which we all know is a huge pain. I’m not sure how much positional adjustments were made to these watches from the factory, but just something to consider next time. Loved the video and like the sentiment about adding to the history of the watch. - Chris
Hi Chris. Pleased you enjoyed it. I am however, devistated by some of the mistakes and the second and pinion... You are right I should have checked poise, my poising tool thingy is not of very good quality at all but still... In all honesty due to lack of time and the surpise of the issues so late on there was little I could do. Ivan taking the watch on Tueday changed the course of the video as I would have otherwise found the wheel and possiblty a balance.
Totally agree here. Fantastic job MIke. I would also say on the piviot, the break looked oxidized and not a fresh break.
I think it's a marvelous watch. Very attractive dial, quality movement and a nice story, thanks to you!
Glad you enjoy it and appreciate your comment.
Bittersweet this one. I know you wanted to give it to Ivan in perfect shape, but I love that he's viewed it as part of the story of it. Good job on the hairspring work, that absolutely terrifies me!
Thanks Endy. I’m still very disappointed but it’s done now and he is happy so all good. I turn the page onto the next one and see what is in store!
I've learned so much from this channel. I rebuilt my first movement a Seiko 6309 following the guide on here and slowly invested in some tools over time. Obsessed now with finding watches in charity shops and cleaning them/getting them running again. Great inspiration; love watching these with a brew of an evening.
Hello, thats fantastic to read. Thank you. It makes me feel good to know some of my videos help people. Good luck on finding watches. I never find any in charity shops when I ask them.
I’ve been diagnosed with prostate cancer just getting into my garden and fixing cars and antique bikes gets ur mind of the problem
Sorry to hear that. What stage are you? I was PSA 7.1 Gleaon 7 3+4 T3A. Radical prostatectomay August 2022 at 49 years old. Now 14 months on its almost like nothing happened.
If you want any advise I am happy to help. I have done two videos on this channel about my experience.
@@MyRetroWatches thanks those videos were fantastic and a divers watch with a story loved it my last psa was 7.9 that was with a long cycle 2 days before forgot I was getn it so should b lower had a very intrusive truss done in may they found cancer cells it still inside capsule and small so it’s wait and c I would like to hear more on ur op as I’m fairly sceptical about outcomes . I worked on a ward dealing with prostate procedures 30yrs ago I wasn’t impressed my surgeon also worked in same unit he says it’s totally different now . Cheers
I've only heard very positive things about Ivan. It's so great to hear of a business man that can be successful and still be a gentleman. I'm glad you go to meet him in person.
Ivan is a lovely genuine guy who is just a vintage watch lover who has turned this into a business. He is a designer by trade so has a very good eye. I found my time with him superb. Vario is literally just him and his wife!
Great job, just a tip, triangler point on the peg wood to clean jewels is the watchmaker preferred method 😉
I will try this. Thanks.
Great job Mike. I'm sure Ivan will love it because it's restored by you. To me, it means more than a new watch off the shelf.
I hope so!
Really good outcome Michael! Since you and your dang videos led me down the rabbit hole of watch bashing I reckon this is the first one I could follow and recognise, name and know where the bits went. I must be making progress ..... progress I said not success! I know you had a struggle but what a great gift and video for Ivan to have from you.
Thank you Clive, This one was tough in that it did not end how I anticipated but I wanted to keep it real. Its too easy to make this look easy through fancy editing and time. Hopefully I reflect the troubles we all face in this hobby and show the reality of the highs and lows that come of it.
Ivan was really happy with the watch. I do wonder if in time it will inspire a Vario design.
@MyRetroWatches Anything we do becomes easier with practice.
What we can't do is change the law of s.o.d.!
It's getting over the hiccups that become easier Michael.
I love the phrase " there are no problems, only solutions ".
You must use that too, because as soon as something occurs you think of a solution.
It's good to see your videos, warts and all.
Ivan was chuffed with his gift and yes I hope it triggers a thought or two about future designs with him.
All the best mate.
Nice video!
Thanks!
Love watching your work. Sometimes the struggles are comedy which is great! If anyone here can afford to help Mike out with a 7X-45X Trinocular Simul-Focal Lockable stereo zoom microscope from AmScope, this guy deserves it. He's gone through so much and would absolutely be so much more comfortable working with that scope. Could film for us as well! If I could afford it I would, I would buy it for him. Great person and very deserving for sure.... 😊
I am pleased you see the comedy in my work. I have to laugh myself at times. I am actually considering that very scope! trying to put a bit away each month. A camera to go with it is very pricy. Could improve the filming though. I could do with more views though on this video its quite slow on the uptake.
Just keep pushing foreward, it will come!
Heartbreaking, all the work you did. I'm sure you will get it sorted at a later time. The hairspring work was treacherous. One day i may tackle one with the same confidence you've shown. Great video as always Mike. I'm sure Ivan was very pleased. Thank you for sharing the trials and tribulations of watchmaking.
Thank you. I am still upset about the pinion and its over 3 weeks ago but hey its part of the hobby and I will never edit disappointment out.
Beautiful looking movement Mike - what a transformation
It’s a nice one Mike, little straightforward but the end is like some of my projects, reading problems and don’t know how to solve it ! So step by step I’m trying as you told us….balance staff, hairspring, balance complete. Wishing you find it soon !! ✨👌
Thanks Alain, this sould have been straighforward but turned into a bit of a challenge. That said it made for a ver interesting video (I hope) thank you as always for watching this episode.
Great good news, cant wait to see. I have an Optima 30 jewels here but no case back! And have been searching for years to find one that fits, still no luck yet. Thanks
What a lovely little watch! Really love your videos, thank you for taking the time to film your work!
Thank you. I have certainly kept this one real. Pleased you enjoyed it.
A great video again! And what a beautiful watch! Thanks to share your work, I loved every minutes of it.
Pleased you enjoyed this one. Was a bit of a challenge for sure!
Really enjoyed this video, well done!!
Hairspring surgery - ugh, I hate them too!!
Wouldn’t it be great if they made a watch without a hairspring at all? Ahh….accutron to the rescue 😂😂
haha Simon thanks. I have done index and pawl finger straightening on Accutron and that is an all night job!
Great job. You are doing just fine. That balance wheel probably needs a bit of poise to help in vertical positions. You can easily handle that. Just take your time and work slowly as you learn. A good poise and clean balance pivots will make a difference in its accuracy. That second hand pivot issue is not uncommon so, don't sweat it. Probably already had a fracture.... Easy fix some day, maybe on next service. 😊
Thank you. The pinion was broken I think from canon pinion removal, its the last time I use tweezers for that job! its the first second hand pinion I have broken in years too so I still feel bad about it. As for poise. I do not know enough about this yet. Ironically for another watch I am filming I need to change a staff, a job that after 6 years I have still never done! I am getting some guidence from a watchmaker friend in preparation. I know how to check poise but not necessarily how to correct it. Yet! thanks for your support.
Not surprised that this turned out to contain a bog-standard movement. Even back in the day very few watch makers used in-house movements.
What surprised me though is the stamping of Albert Grossenbacher who my research suggests make their own movements. To find out it’s an ETA is odd, unless the train bridge is not of this movement originally .
Problem with a watch this old is who knows it’s past.
@@MyRetroWatches Some watch manufacturers that produced their own in-house movements also purchased ebauches for cheaper models. Jaeger-LeCoultre is an example. The 'entry level' Club Automatic model contained movements which were purchased from AS. It's also common for watch manufacturers to mark the ebauches with their own brand and caliber number. I'm currently working on a Bulova movement that I salvaged from an old pocket watch which I intend to use in a wrist watch case. The movement is branded Bulova and has a Bulova caliber designation but the the movement is just a standard Unitas 497. I also have a movement salvaged from an old Caravelle brand pocket watch . Caravelle is Bulova's 'entry level' brand. The movement from that Caravelle pocket watch is branded Caravelle and has a Caravelle caliber number but it's a standard Unitas 6498 movement.
Brilliant on the collet beat adjustment. Good egg!. I just had a slip while doing that very thing and almost ruined the hairspring.
This is the most aggravating hobby anyone can bedevil themselves with. I have serviced, cleaned, and oiled many a watch, and 9 times out of 10 when I put them on the timegrapher afterwards, they're out of beat and running very fast (> 5 minutes per day). Many times, the balance needs to be poised, esp. after a new balance staff or hairspring is installed, and this is yet more tools and supplies one needs. My advice, before you undertake this hobby, try something less nerve-racking like picking fly shit out of pepper with boxing gloves and less expensive like, say, collecting Faberge eggs.
Your comment is brilliant! fly shit and Faberge made me laugh. It was the first time I have done collet adjustment like that. I would normally drop the balance wheel off the cock and do it that way but seeing Joe do this on a Rolex video last week was like an ephifany. Just needed a good viewing angle and a stiff enough oiler to give it a nudge.
Hi Mike, thank you so much for all of the work you do to create this channel. I subscribed years ago, so this comment feels overdue.
I have a lot of appreciation and respect for your courage to show all of your struggles. When I was first thinking about getting into this hobby, this channel was the one place where I felt like I saw a realistic depiction of the actual challenge involved. Not so long ago, there were many gatekeepers from the “old guard” who would dissuade amateurs from even making an attempt, and many others would mask their own struggles, making it hard to estimate the difficulty.
Of course, anyone with patience and determination can start in on it. You gave me the courage to finally crack open a watch, and I’m so glad I did.
Also thank you for speaking up about your health issues. We are of similar age, and you have successfully motivated me to talk to my doctor about a test. I’m so glad you are doing well. Best wishes to you and your family!
Firtsly my apologies for the late reply. Thank you very much for your comment. Its remarks like this that make it all work while. What I do on video seemingly is not for everyone and probably only appreciated by fellow hobbyists such as yourself. Many other channels are in it for the views and money that comes with that, success it seems in this niche is about telling a story and showing how good you are even when you might not be. I can edit my videos to make me look perfect but then I am not being true to myself. My journey was only ever to document my progress and inspire more to the hobby. I may have been one of the first watch repair channels but I will never be one of the biggest even with my back catalog!
I am just pleased by reading your words so thank you for taking time to write.
finally yes please get your prostate checked regularly, its probably okay but leaving things to chance is not something I would now recommend.
Good luck with your watchmaking
Great vid Mike, I'm liking the way you described other aspects of watchmaking in this video. 👍👍
Thank you. feedback like this really does help.
Great job Michael! Really very impressed with your work to reduce all those errors. 😮 Pity about the seconds hand pinion, but these things happen and fair play you don't shy away from showing your oopsies.
Just on the radium. Chances are the hands are radium too. Years ago I got a joblot of hands from ebay and they were the same bright green. I thought non radium as they even held a glow after exposure to light. I ran my geiger counter over the packet and sure enough radioactive. Not as active as say on earlier trench watches(they laid it on thick back then), but still 'hot'. I've seen a few 50's watches with lurid green handsets that were radium.
There's a bit of a myth(IMHO) regarding differences in hand lume colour and dials. That if they're different colours they can't be original. That's _generally_ the case from the 70's on, but I've seen NOS examples from the 30's 40's and 50's(70's Heuer too) where the colours varied a lot as they aged. With most, if not all, Swiss brands the hands and dials were made by different companies and bought in so off the bat the paint mixes were different. Plus handsets are exposed to air and moisture on both sides and the lume is usually thicker so they can age at quite different rates.
Thank you. I am glad my warts and all style is appreciated. I will never profess to me more than a rank amateur in this game.
Ref hands. You could well be right. I was sure I tested them but I e just looked back on my unboxing video of 8 vintage watches and at 27 minutes in I test the hands (crudely ) with my even more crude iPhone Geiger adapter and the hands came back hot.
That said it was still whilst installed and under the crystal so could be misread.
Think I better rinse the part tray now anyway to be 100%
See the video here ua-cam.com/video/wyHyShMUqjc/v-deo.htmlsi=g0gnoqx76qSjMZ-Y
Still another nice job, Mike. Bad luck on the pivot snapping. I had the same issue with a Seiko 6139 recently. There was just enough pivot there to make it look ok, but when I broke down and disassembled the watch again to compare it to another it was clearly shorter.
I would cry for months if I snapped a 6139 pinion, that Chrono wheel is so damn expensive!
Definitely a transformation, great job Michael loved the hairspring work 👍
Thanks so much!
Great video Mike if I say so myself 😂😂
the girls painting the hands with radium used to have their jaws rot away. it was because they used to lick the end to set the hairs on the tip of the brush with the radium paint on it!
Would be great to see a burnishing video Mike.
All the best.
PS. Great job on the balance spring too 👍
I have an uphill struggle to bunish. Not only have I got to fix the Jacot but I also have to learn how to use it plus I am left handed which means I have to learn to use it the wrong way around!
Everything about this watch reminds me of a 1942 Rolex "Oyster Raleigh" I own. That crown gear looks like it was carved out of a dime! Very sturdy movements, meant to be worn in battle.
Thank you.
Very enjoyable video, as usual, Mike and superb picture quality. I suspect the balance spring is not sitting between the regulator pins properly so is, effectively, "getting longer" in the vertical positions. Probably due to the terminal curve not being exactly correct after your (excellent), de-kinking. I suppose the watch is in Singapore by now so next time you're there... 🙂 I think maybe you should invest in a trinocular microscope so you can maintain a stereoscopic image while you're sharing the pictures with us through the "third eye"? Not terribly cheap but I've found mine to be worth every penny! Perhaps some of us could sponsor your hard graft on the allotment - a pound per square yard dug?? I'll get me coat...
Haha! I will be selling spuds next year! I think you are right about the spring. It can only be that causing the issue and perhaps with more patience and persistence on my part I could have found it in time. I just ran out of time completely on this one. Didn’t expect Ivan to take the watch hence ending the video how I did.
I have been thinking about getting one of those scopes. I’m still filming the downward shot on the digital ( one in the review) plus my main camera for side on.
They are costly and money has been tight recently sadly. If the channel picks up then I can hopefully raise some spare change. Think they are £500+ from memory ?
Can you advise what scope you have please. Does it come with a camera?
Sorry for the delay in replying; a family 'do' this evening. I bought the 'Amscope with articulating arm' from Cousins along with the camera they sell for it - as you say, somewhat over £500 once you've added VAT and delivery. I've had a good look and I can't find an actual model number anywhere on it. I got a X 0.5 Barlow lens, which extends the working height to around 6 inches (plenty), and found I also needed a 5mm C mount C-CS spacer ring on the camera to make it focus at the same point as the eye pieces. These last parts, and an LED ring (essential and around £10), I obtained via e-Bay. All in all I reckon I spent around £575 (eek!). Mine was funded by my redundancy from the BBC a few years back. This setup works very well for me but I don't think the articulated arm would suit your videoing requirements as it can be a bit wobbly when you move it or bang your head into it - you'd probably need a heavier duty, single arm job which I haven't investigated - yet. Hope this helps and I'm happy to answer any other questions you may have.
The video is sensational.
Could you help me with a question? Defect in the winding drum causes the clock in the timergraph measurement to fluctuate a lot. Example the rate varying a lot, -10s -120s returning to -10s.
Your photography has improved enormously Mike......Congratulations ! You should now revisit some of your older videos which had poor photography as Im sure your regular viewers would much appreciate this. Best Regards
Thank you! honestly this is feedback I need. I have put more effort into quality this year and fairly pleased with the results. Some lighting can be off at times though. Its a long way from where it started but its thanks to you guys for watching some of the adverts that I can raise the funds for kit.
I don't mind the re-lumming of old watches but you gotta tint it to match the dial. Whoever did the re-lumming prior to you getting it did a terrible job, they just stand out too much, would've been easy to just toss them in some black tea or coffee for a bit to tone it down. 👍👍
Love the NekkidWatchmaker he's awesome!
You know it might actually be the orignal. Someone was discussing that here in the comments which lead me back the the unboxing of 8 vintage watches video where I used my rather crude Gieger on this watch and the hands were hot. Equally some other examples I have looked at one Google image search have shown some similar colouring. Now I dont have it anymore I cant confirm this sadly.
It’s always those darn escape wheels that drive us mad. 😅
I know and this one was exceptional. in part because the bridge had location lugs that are very tight so you have to push firmly. Doing this when your not 100% on position is so risky!
Looks good at the end of the day, it's so frustrating when the watch just doesn't cooperate
Thanks. I did like the look of it once finished but missing the red second hand is still a bitter feeling for me.
ÓTIMO SERVIÇO 👍👍 🇧🇷
Thank you.
Great work there, especially the daunting hairspring stuff. Shame about the seconds pivot, but you don't know what people have done with it over the decades, just the slightest normal touch might have been the final thing that snapped it. You rescued a nice watch.
Thank you. Pivot I think broke on canon pinion removal. You will not see me using tweezers again for that job!
Fantastic video. I would like to know how to play a spiral like that, every time I try it the spiral ends up destroyed. I would say that you are an amateur watchmaker because you don't charge for it, but in the technical aspect you could be comparable to many professionals. A few weeks ago I serviced an eta 2551, a very very small automatic movement and they are certainly complicated given their size, and the etas are very grateful. Yesterday I destroyed two Seiko 4r16 and 6r15 balance wheels in the stupidest way and I will have to buy a couple of NH35 movements to replace it. Thanks for the video.
Oof, gutted about the seconds pinion too. I'd be lying if I said I've never done that though. I've not tried it yet myself, but I've heard that the positional error could be the regulator pins being too far apart. Or, like someone mentioned, more fiddling with the terminal curve. Maybe next time, as it appears Ivan took the watch with him. I'll have to remember the trick how you adjusted the collet though, I have an old watch I'll be regulating this coming week. Great video, I think the watch turned out quite nice all in all. Cheers!
Hello Bristol. Thank you for your comment. I am still feeling bad about the pinion and had Ivan not taken the watch the video would have ended differently. The pins could need adjustement but was more likely that the hairpsring needed more work on the terminal curve. I do depate as to if that hairspring is original to the watch though.
@@MyRetroWatches It may not have been original, it certainly looked like it had been worked on before. That taper pin was pretty bent, and I bet the spring was kinked under there too. You did get it regulated pretty darn well, I'm impressed!
Congratulations on acquiring an allotment, old gardeners never die they only use their trowels. Bending , stretching, carrying, digging,tying, walking , you can forget about the gymnasium when one has an allotment.
Haha, thank you. Its more for my wife as she has greener fingers than me but I have to say I am enjoying it despite the hard work. This one is particuarly overgrown but we are making progress.
For future reference Mike, Cousins will price match Gleave and other online retailers.
I did not know this. Sadly with them not having the setting lever spring would prohibit me using them on this occasion.
Thanks for the tip.
I had noticed the ⚓ of the hairsping wasn't right and had a kink with oxydation close to the adjustment, yeah, change the balance wheel spring for sure,thanks Mike😊
Thanks for the feedback. I will have to look back to see if there was rust. I can’t say I noticed any but when you are filming I do miss things.
I gave it my best shot and had I more time to get parts it could have been a better result.
Not my finest work but I kept it honest.
I have yet to perform my first service, so I can only imagine how it felt to discover that broken pivot. The center wheel pivot appears whole when you remove the sliding and winding pinion. Then at 6:46, there is a cut to removing the cannon pinion, and the pivot is broken. I enjoyed watching this, and as always, it was very detailed and informative. Thanks!
Thank you. Maybe I broke it removing the canon then. I still feel dreadful. I have never broken the second pinion before and I’ve been at this a very long time
@@MyRetroWatches I don't think you should use tweezer to remove the canon pinion, it's so easy to break the second hand pinion that way. The way I do it is with the very cheap Chinese presto tool and I never break any pinion using it. But even with that tool when I'm doing a service on a movement I remove the chain of wheel bridge and the wheels before flipping the movement over and remove the canon, so that there is absolute zero chance for the second hand pinion to break simply because it is not in there in the first place :) Also after seeing you and so many people using automatic oiler, I've finally decided to go for it and ordered the 1A chinese copy version. Will see how it goes, even if it's a trash it was only 24€ :) Lastly I think you should clean and fit the escape wheel's cap jewels dry first then oil them through the underneath with your automatic oiler, this way it would be much easier and much less chance to disturb the oil.
@@sonvu9756 thank you for this feedback. Let me address some of the points.
Cannon pinion, I have used presto tools, heck I even have one designed for canon although that usually is too wide to grip the pinion. I have used a thick pair of tweezers for years and never once had an accident, this could be the first time that has happened ever that I recall. That being said once is too many.
The escape jewels, weirdly on this watch the auto oiler would not go through enough to oil the jewel. In the video you will notice I did the balance jewel off camera and proceeded to show the escape jewel with my sticky tool. This was because I tried the auto oiler first as I intended to skip filming both and just show them installed.
I do have room for improvement, we all do and you will now most likely see me remove canon pinion differently in videos to come.
1:00:08 On a small wrist it looks very handsome. I'm not sweating the seconds hand. 👍
I am still gutted of the hand issue. To find this only a few days before handing it over too.
Provided you don't lick the brush used to apply the radium paint like the radium girls were taught to do you'll be fine.
Да, это была сложная операция. Но это был отличный доктор!!!
Спасибо за просмотр.
Hi Mike! I'm glad Ivan liked it. It is really satisfying to bring a non-runner back and you did a great job. You obviously can't fix those last couple of issues as it is with Ivan, and I think you had the right idea. Do you think that the balance might have been slightly out of poise? So DU and DD are fine, but pendant positions show the rate change because of this? In any case, great work. Love watching these videos and hearing your modest commentary, despite the skills that you have acquired.
Thank you for your comment. Its making a watch run that im addicted to. As for the balance I would like to have found out the positional error. Its at my limits of knowledge, poising possibly and I am about to learn some of that soon for another video. Now the second watch with this type of issue so I need to learn how to overcome it. Thank you for your support.
Top notch video Mike I've learned loads from watching you.
The swivel parts tray you use could you tell me were you got it from it's something that I could use.
I buy them from cousins uk. They are £3 I think
Thanks Mike
Mike, I enjoyed this project. Did you get the project completed? The Hairspring issue was way above my paygrade. Nice looking watch. Just beautiful.
Did you not see the last few seconds? I gave Ivan the watch and he wanted to keep it as it was. He said it added to its history.
@@MyRetroWatches I didn't see that part. Glad your friend like his gift.
Lovely detailed video Mike.
I am looking to order some caseback screws. Not had much luck for the specific size I need from eBay and such.
Is there is good website you can recommend I browse pls?
Thanks.
Thanks. Sorry for screws I just pillage my donors. I have also bought selections of screws from cousins and Gleave but they are small assortments and would not guarantee they contain sizes you need. Not many casebacks use screws
Hello friend! New subscriber, here, and wanted to ask, if you remember, and if you’d be so kind as to share, what the case width and the movement diameter were for this piece? I’m a novice collector, and have a budding interest in this style of military watches, particularly from the 1930s/1950s. Thanks for your time and your great content. 🕰️
If you saw to the end of the video I gave it to my friend who lives in Singapore so I have no measurements.
Case diameter was 32mm as mentioned in the video . Movement would have been a lot smaller
What is the tool you used to set the hands at 52:27? I had a look through your tool page, but either I don't know what I'm looking for or it's not there. Thanks!
Hi, sorry I really do need to update some of the products on my site. This is the one I bought. Also bought the addition of the small round table. s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DlRx5aJ
As a hobbyist I realized that I'd have to invest a huge wad of cash in a stereoscope because I couldn't
do hairsprings on my modest microscope. All the while having a good chance that practice was
going to screw up more hairsprings than repair. I took the cheaper/easier option of just replacing
the whole balance assembly. At least I was getting a new unfatigued hairspring with no problems
with the pivots. Yes it is cheating, but I'm the one who'll have to live with that. I'm a hobbyist.🤷🏼♂
Your issue with the timing results in various positions has to be pivot wear/distortion or the jewels
have worn themselves slightly elliptically. You aren't going to be able to see that.
Maybe but I feel it would have been the spring touching the regulator pins in those positions rather than wear.
I have both stereoscope and digital. Actually saving for a trinocular scope now
I may be totally wrong, but when you were chasing that tiny screw that fell through the frame into what looked like the back, there was a tiny fragment of metal in there with it - was that the broken pivot?
I’m doubtful, there has been all kinds of crap living in there! It, I think has been broken somehow in cleaning
@@MyRetroWatches Maybe a simple metal fatigue fracture, and cleanng it was the last straw? Best wishes.
@@hamshackleton someone in the comment pointed out that it could be on canon pinion removal. I will have to check, not that I want to. Still too gutted about it.
Just wondering why you put D5 on the balance wheel pivot? I definitely think that it’s a problem with that hairspring. Is it sitting between the regulator pins on the balance cock? Great job on the adjustment on the hairspring by the way. You’ve really come a long way. We both have😊
I would not have used D5 on the balance jewels. If I said I did it’s a slip of the tongue. I also think it’s the regulator pins causing the positional error but now I don’t have the watch it’s impossible to check.
@@MyRetroWatches right lol, I thought for a second you might have found out a new way to oil pivots. Sounds great you gardening it’s great exercising and it’s quite rewarding growing your own food.
Where did you buy the NATO strap from. Looks good quality
Just a cheap one from Cousins. Good enough quality but was less than £5
As soon as I saw this I was like is that an ETA1080?? Zodiac used them on their manual wind glorious models. I have an old Invicta with one in it as well. They look very similar to the raketa 2609s of the 1960s.
It’s a great movement when it behaves 😂
Hi sir.....
I need your help......
I want to know the difference between the seiko5 date dial 0878206 vs 0878280...
Either they are replaceable or not....?( Watch casing is same) if not then what is the difference between them......?
Reply please.....
Thanks.
I know that 0878280 date dial is used in 7S26A/B movement and 0878206 date dial is used in 7S26C movement..... But what is the difference between these two date dials i do not know.......
Please guide me.....
Thanks.....
I have no idea. Date rings are usually different depending on crown position on the case.
Ok sir....
Thanks for the kind reply.....
Your work is appreciateble.....
I have learned many things about the watch repair from your UA-cam channel.....
You are doing well job and your explanations are very well...
Thanks alot again....
من فضلك عندي ساعة pierpont نسائية قديمة وهي بحالة جيدة ممكن اعرف قيمتها وعندي ساعة Sndoz قديمة رجالية لكن في مشكلة بسيطة بالميناء ولكنها تعمل بشكل جيد ممكن تساعدني لمعرفة قيمتها
Riveting? Ah Reviving :)
I have been busy transcribing the captions (first time ever) Dutch will be available for subtitles, description and title .
How accurate the translation I don’t know
@@MyRetroWatches Dutch? Nobody speaks Dutch, it's a secret language :) About 50% of the English language is Dutch, old Dutch and old English, and old Frisian were dialects of the same language a mere 1000 years ago. Ad Low Saxon to the list too... So you already know a lot of Dutch words. Simple home words like arm, water, hand, stool, sand, wind, see, sea, that, foot, finger. children, kirk, calve , hound, grass, hair, fowl, stam, clock, house, mouse, rat, swine, bed, well the lijst goes on and on... :)
The hair spring just disappeared
Tôi vn
:)
It's Reviving with an E
Haha good spot thanks!!
Ok
Tôi có một chiếc đồng hồ Rolex lộ đáy,tôi muốn phục hồi lại nó phải làm sao?
Xin lỗi tôi chưa làm việc về Rolex để tư vấn.
why do you make every excuse you can think of, not to re plate watches your fixing?? you half finish them at the cost of the look of them when you're supposedly done
I don’t make excuses. I don’t have the equipment yet to do replating and when I do I will then have to practice it to get right which will take time I simply do not have right now. I personally like the original look and in some instances rectifying a case will decrease its value.
I have done plenty of stainless case work on this channel, look at my Pogue video for instance.