That nexus commercial in wandavision says verbatim -anchor to your reality- and - the world doesn’t revolve around you, or does it? They are combining nexus beings with this anchor concept
"Kraven's Last Hunt": The symbiote did not save Peter... Kraven sedated Peter for a time. The Black Cat sewed a replica of the symbiote uniform for Peter as she was attracted to Peter as Spiderman more than Peter as himself.
Perhaps the reason 616 didn’t start to decay when Spider-Man was snapped away because he wasn’t technically dead? And was still somewhere within in that universe, wether that be the soul realm or a pocket dimension that’s still within the boundaries of that universe.. he also says to Tony that he “must of passed out”because he woke up and dr strange was telling him it’s time to go so if that is true about spider man then that could explain why it didn’t decay
Perhaps that is the very reason why they're doing this. If spider-man becomes the center of the MCU, then they have a story reason as to not allow Sony to take Tom Holland out of the MCU, and put him in the sonverse.
@@bdizzle0055 perhaps once the anchor person passes the way the universe intended, Then it passes onto someone else. In terms of how the universe would survive prior to the anchor being born, that’s probably just a result of the whole anchor concept being something Loki created now that he controls the multiverse, hence why universes never died in prior MCU history.
When it comes to the anchor points, I think it's possible that Tony was an anchor point, and since he lived out his life to his final destination, Peter turned into the anchor point of the MCU.
Why are they further confusing us non comic book reading casual fans with this multiverse thing. This sounds dumb and they’re making it more complicated than it should be
Well it's not even from the comics they just use throw shit to the wall and see if it sticks because supposedly it's all mapped out just use Molecule man he's powerful AF and people will like that smh they want us to think about these stupid details instead of giving us cool shit to talk about after the movie is over.
this would be beyond stupid for marvel to decide that tom holland is not just spider man but also the molecule man. this is lazy storytelling if it’s true
I'm halfway thru but i didn't hear him being the molecule man just one of these anchor points which is just a stupid idea i mean they don't have to introduce every important character slowly just put him in part 1 & 2 as Owen Reece rhe Molecule man. I'm so tired of them just choosing not to use source material and concoct some idea that doesn't improve the plot just makes it so stupid a smart person can't understand it.
Here's just a random thought, what if Tony Stark was the anchor point of the MCU? It could explain the slowish decay of the MCU post Endgame (ala Tony's death).
"Kraven's Last Hunt": The symbiote did not save Peter... Kraven sedated Peter for a time. The Black Cat sewed a replica of the symbiote uniform for Peter as she was attracted to Peter as Spiderman more than Peter as himself. That Nexus commercial in Wandavision says verbatim anchor to your reality and - the world doesn’t revolve around you, or does it? They are combining nexus beings with this anchor concept There is no way Marvel would give Sony that much leverage over 616 by having Spiderman be the anchor point because Strange gave away the Time Stone he caused an incursion at 7:11 and they did win the fight against Thanos, but Strange could do that by himself the Illuminati proved. Nevertheless, the play is that the team won in the End Game. WHAT IF...Loki is their molecule man... I mean Loki's ALWAYS survive...don't they? Also, once 616 Loki left, is when they began incursions I really don't like that the MCU keeps getting called 616. Man, I assumed these outcomes with Tom Holland's Spider even before your video and it's super! Since this concept of death and the symbiote just blows the brain. I really want to see it on the big screen lol when he said I thought about the blip Owen Rease is the bomb lol Super excited! Wait, wouldn't that one special person be Michael Keaton's Vulture? lol He's in Morbius randomly and no one explained why. So technically he's in multiple places at once, saying things like "What's up doc?" face-blue-smiling Anchor points coming after God Loki could make sense. Whatever decisions that the “anchor” person makes could lead to new universes and “branches” in the timeline and if they die the universe starts to decay. Could totally see it. Dude this makes zero sense cause Marvel would never make Spiderman the center of anything right now having to deal with Sony The anchor person for a universe is pretty easy to potentially explain. Each universe is a branch on the World Tree. Every person ever born spawns a new branch of the tree (which branches infinitely based on the infinite potential of that one person) and this branch is wholly contingent upon their existence, even after their death. Remove this person from that timeline though and it stands to reason that every potential outcome from their life - the branches of the multiverse which are contingent upon them - cease to exist beyond the point that they are removed from their timeline and all of that future potential crumbles. Every person is an essential part of the universe and timeline which they have the power to effect. The Molecule Man is too cosmic of a being to be used. They originally made it so he could not affect humans, but that went away and he became too powerful. Otherwise, the Ancient One would have realized, but that would be 5 years too early and too late, right?! Perhaps the reason 616 didn’t start to decay when Spider-Man was snapped away was because he wasn’t technically dead? And was still somewhere within that universe, whether that be the soul realm or a pocket dimension that was still within the boundaries of that universe.. he also says to Tony that he “must have passed out” because he woke up and Dr. Strange was telling him it’s time to go so if that is true about spider-man then that could explain why it didn’t decay I would really like a comic book-accurate universe in the MCU. It makes sense to have one in the movies. Awesome All I have to say is Knull .. the universe has forgotten Peter Parker & Eddy Brock/Venom are being pulled into this universe to be the king of the void or this 616 universe will be destroyed 👀Based on what you are saying it's basically a universal butterfly effect. That explains why these "chosen ones" can't die. The butterfly effect is the idea that small things can have non-linear impacts on a complex system. Meaning if one of these guys died it would affect the rest of the timeline example: If Dr. Strange died in the car accident instead of losing his hands then Thanos would have won or Wanda would have been able to kill off several universes. Just an idea. I assumed it was more like: our mcu doesn’t have a Deadpool or Wolverine, so it’s dying I don’t think they would make Tom Holland so important to a major plot role. Simply because he can’t avoid spoiling. They can’t trust him Josh you care more about this stuff than anyone at Marvel even your precious Fiege please know that the MCU as you remember is over all the true creatives that helped shape it have left and you can tell nothing holds weight Maybe …. Every character we have been introduced to in the MCU has a universe where they are the anchor. At some point in Secret Wars, those characters will become our 616 because the rest die Did anyone make it through this entire video? it changes every day. Think I will just wait another year or so for the movie lol! Sounds almost like paragons in the arrow verse crisis on infinite Earths wow 😮 interesting theory. What if the anchor point was Kang in all universes? when the function is Kang will be in every Universe and he’ll be the MCU’s Molecule Man. Mark my words Here's just a random thought, what if Tony Stark was the anchor point of the MCU? It could explain the slowish decay of the MCU post-Endgame (ala Tony's death). honestly, a mortal being like Peter being the anchor to hold the universe together is just dumb. It can't be a mortal being, that wouldn't make any sense at all. Could be 616's version of Molecule Man, could be the Beyonder, who I hope Henry Cavill is playing, or one of the Eternals. Is this what a Nexus Being is to the MCU? An anchor being? It has to be another character we never seen die. It's thor for 616 From ALL of these Details I REALY REALY Hope the MCU gets back to telling the OVERALL STORY of the Multiverse. Since the End Game, all these movies and their All Stories have been All over the place without any Cohesive All Story being told from Project to Project (Except for Loki). Let's get back to what's ahead in the upcoming Storyline to get Fans interested again!! gotta have the molecule man for Secret Wars Darkseid defeats Zod Marvel needs to rehire Johnathan Majors and do this saga correctly.
It sounds like a gigantic hot mess compared to 2015 Secret Wars and even 1984 Secret Wars. I would even bet money that the people writing this story never picked up a single comic book out of either of those arcs.
@@ronthorn3 I might agree with you if it weren't for the fact that there's a compilation video making the rounds online of people behind the scenes at Marvel Studios talking about how either they chose not to adapt the source material or werw directly told not to look at the source material.
Because Strange gave away the Time Stone 6:51 he caused an incursion 7:11 they did win the fight against Thanos, but Strange could do that by himself the Illuminati proved. Nevertheless, the play is that the team won in End Game.
If it’s like multiple man. I think it’s like Spider-Man (not 616 Peter Parker) or characters like Doctor Strange or Wanda. But Loki theory is the best bet.
I would love to see the TVA get replaced with an Exiles team of Multiversal remnants. I honestly think they've wasted a lot of time for a Multiversal Saga, should have more alternate universe variants... like a true Old Man Logan world. A 2099 world. A 1602 world. A Guardians 3000 world. Cancerverse world. Age of Apocalypse world. Avengers Next/M2 world. Mangaverse world. Zombie world. House of M world. And more. But I'll buy the ticket and hope for the best.
Anchor points coming after God Loki could make sense. Whatever decisions that the “anchor” person makes could lead to new universes and “branches” in the timeline and if they die the universe starts to decay. Could totally see it.
Guys this isn’t confusing at all… I don’t know how yall don’t get the concept especially after he outlined who Owen Reece and what his purpose was for Jonathan Hickman in the comics. Here instead of it being one crucial person it’s multiple crucial beings within a universe needed to keep that universe going…. Now was that so difficult
Man, I assumed these outcomes with Tom Holland's Spider even before your video and it's super! Since this concept with death and the symbiote just blows the brain. I really want to see it on the big screen
As much as the writing has faltered in certain situations throughout Marvel, I wouldn't want them to back themselves into a corner. This would be far beyond what they are currently capable of executing. That's my current thinking, but I would welcome being proven wrong.
In the state that Disney and Marvel are in right now, goodness knows what they’re gonna do but hopefully it will heavily involve Loki, Strange and Thor and even Wolverine somehow!
Base on what you are saying it's basically a unversal butterly effect. That explains why these "chosen ones" can't die. The butterfly effect is the idea that small things can have non-linear impacts on a complex system. Meanig if one of these guys died it would affect the rest of the timeline example: If Dr. Strange died in the car accident instead of loosing his hands then Thanos would have won or Wanda would have been abale to kill off several universes. Just an idea.
Think about the anchor point as a bloodline if you look at it like that you can kinda make Madame Webb make sense and connect instead of a singular person
Josh you care more about this stuff than anyone at Marvel even your precious Fiege please know that the MCU as you remember is over all the true creatives that help shape it have left and you can tell nothing holds weight
I have a question Is there a built in way to bring characters back From when Loki was taken to the tva ? Was that whole timeline now a branch reality ?
I think the molecule man idea of an achor will be translated into the mcu as being not the same person but different people in the MCU. Each universe has its own "anchor". Could lead to the multiversal avengers.
ok, hear me out. Spider-Man is an anchor point... but not the MCUs. Tobey is. Deadpool is already showing us it'll be meta with "Im Marvel Jesus" and all that. And they said SLOW decays. Im gonna say Strange from the 838 is theirs. and (HEAR ME OUT) Tony Stark is 616's. With how meta Deadpool 3 is gonna be, wouldnt it make sense its the character that started it all? And since hes died, the wuality of the MCU has slowly decayed in real life. what if a part of Secret Wars has to do with that? if we are leading into a soft reboot, is it possible we might see past characters returning? whose to say bringing Tony back isnt what they need to do to save this universe?
If were having a mutiverse scenario with F4, I love to see a universe involving the infamous unreleased F4 movie from decades ago. Give them the 15 mins of fame they were promised all those years ago. Use the same actors (if possible). An Easter egg that's more for the actors involved than the audience while at the same time making complete sense.
***dp3 Spoilers*** . . . . . ... Deadpool who's a nexus element in his world becomes an assassination target of a group of antiheroes who figured out about TVA and want to destroy TVA and take control of time to rewrite history to their own will (everyone deserves a happy ending). They are trying to assassinate every nexus element. Deadpool gets to TVA and goes on a mission to hunt down this cult alongside wolverine but ends up joining the cult instead. Ending is just madness 😂
Imagine for a sec… Fantastic 4 starting out in a different universe. Almost like how black panther wakanda forever started. Everything starts in a panic. You slowly start to meet the team as everyone is frantically moving around. I strongly believe fantastic 4 should start out as an incursion happening in their universe. An as a last ditch effort they escape to universe 616. Imagine then they meet everyone an warn of incoming danger
Maybe …. Every character we have been introduced to in the MCU has a universe where they are the anchor. At some point in Secret Wars those characters will become our 616 because the rest die
Wait, wouldn't that one special person be Michael Keaton's Vulture? lol He's in Morbius randomly and no one explained why. So technically he's in multiple places at once, saying sht like "What's up doc?"
my new theory is that the soft rebooted universe will be made up of anchor point characters including all of the civilians. Because the it was stated that since ANYBODY can make a mistake and make a branching timeline meaning that nobody truly ever has free will. MEANING that in the end the new universe will be made up of people with who have the ability to make their own choices.
honestly, a mortal being like Peter being the anchor to hold the universe together is just dumb. It can't be a mortal being, that wouldn't make any sense at all. Could be 616's version of molecule man, could be the Beyonder, who I hope Henry Cavill is playing, or one of the Eternals. whelp... i just got to the point where you talked about this... I'm a big dummy.
The anchor person for a universe is pretty easy to potentially explain. Each universe is a branch on the World Tree. Every person ever born spawns a new branch of the tree (which branches infinitely based on the infinite potential of that one person) and this branch is wholly contingent upon their existence, even after their death. Remove this person from that timeline though and it stands to reason that every potential outcome from their life - the branches of the multiverse which are contingent upon them - cease to exist beyond the point that they are removed from their timeline and all of that future potential crumbles. Every person is an essential part of the universe and timeline which they have the power to effect.
What if Kang is the Anchor Point. So He Who Remains killing of Kang’s to create the Sacred Timeline actually caused incursions which would destroy the Universe that He Who Remains was trying to protect! 😮
The Molecule Man is too cosmic of a being to be used. They originally make it so he could not affect humans, but that went away and he became too powerful.
All I have to say is Knull .. the universe has forgotten Peter Parker & Eddy Brock/Venom is being pulled into this universe to be the king of the void or this 616 universe will be destroyed 👀
We’ve seen Doom twice I think with some many other Villains to go with adding him rushingly would be lame. But with almost every UA-camr glazing him it’s gonna force Marvels hand and it probably won’t be third times the charm but I digress
Peter is the pin point of the 616 comics universe cause everyone can be connected to his family tree....yet for mcu I would say Tony since this all started messing up after end game which he dies in lol
Is it too crazy to think that they're not doing the Hickman Secret Wars, at least not like how we think, cuz we see it in the Void universe where Marvel has thrown away all its trash??
From ALL of these Details I REALY REALY Hope the MCU gets back to telling the OVERALL STORY of the Multiverse. Since the End Game, all these movies and their Storiees are All over the place without Any Coheisive Story being told from Project to Project (Except for Loki). Lets get back to whats ahead in the upcoming Storyline to get Fans interested again!!
I mean Jeez these ideas make no sense & sound terrible. Screencrush uses so much of the same material and this guy just says shit that never happens hopefully his streak stays in tact.
But what if you have 2 of this being in one universe ? What will happen then ? My theory is that after Loki take the multyverse in his hands, he gives the role of anchor to one being at every universe. When one person die , Loki give it to an other person but untile then , cause there is no anchor, there is a gradual disequilibrium... which leads the branches of The try of life to merge. Destroying one of the or both. Maybe now Loki will play Madam's Web role and give this anchor role to spidermans all over the spiderverse. Cause madam web sucked...
i wonder if we'll get toxin and chasm at some point. i wonder if tom holland dies, if they'll throw him in the polymer like ben reilly(Scarlett Spider) dealt with before becoming chasm
This sounds dumb. I hope these lame rumors are not true. There is enough time to bring in molecule man. Or just stick with Dr strange being the key to everything.
Hence another reason for the fail safe loom in Loki maybe if tony lived maybe the loom doesn’t overload somehow or bc of Tony’s death we will have incursions and bc of strange!
Scarlet Witch will be the nexus being in 616. I think you need to look at the nexus commercial in WandaVision. The fact that it was introduced in WandaVision makes this clear. The commercial states that the anti-depressant anchors you to reality or a reality of your choice. That clearly refers to Wanda. I know you are anti-female so it is not surprising. Toby McGuire will be the nexus being not Tom Holland.
Dude is trying to be logical with a production team that stop caring about any of that sort of thing a long long time ago. I mean even End Game has 497 plot holes
Lex Luthor Blue beetle the flash atrocities red lanterns Dr fate beast boy Vs Darkseid Steppwolf and paradmeons doomsday vs red guardian green arrow with lex weaponry kryptonite red hood cyborg red lion etc black adam zod aquaman vs stepoeolf army
The lore is confusing because these heroes in many cases do age so why would losing them destroy the universe. Even Logan aged. So were these universes always destined to die once a certain person was born and their lifespan happened? LMAO 05:08 that makes more sense.
Are any of these rumors ever correct or just content to post when there's a Disney+ drop?
Daniel RPK has a proven track record of his leaks
@@JohnSmith-zc3ycdoes Josh though? lol
Stop complaining
Well how many other comics and nerd channels do you know that personally got called out by James Gunn for telling the truth. .@carlmageski1099
Just for content.
That nexus commercial in wandavision says verbatim -anchor to your reality- and - the world doesn’t revolve around you, or does it? They are combining nexus beings with this anchor concept
They need to just the molecule man . For everything to be connected it all kinda feels last minute
"Kraven's Last Hunt": The symbiote did not save Peter...
Kraven sedated Peter for a time.
The Black Cat sewed a replica of the symbiote uniform for Peter as she was attracted to Peter as Spiderman more than Peter as himself.
Perhaps the reason 616 didn’t start to decay when Spider-Man was snapped away because he wasn’t technically dead? And was still somewhere within in that universe, wether that be the soul realm or a pocket dimension that’s still within the boundaries of that universe.. he also says to Tony that he “must of passed out”because he woke up and dr strange was telling him it’s time to go so if that is true about spider man then that could explain why it didn’t decay
That could be and Spider-Man also has a special connection to the multiverse
Dude this makes zero sense cause Marvel would never make Spiderman the center of anything right now having to deal with Sony
Perhaps that is the very reason why they're doing this. If spider-man becomes the center of the MCU, then they have a story reason as to not allow Sony to take Tom Holland out of the MCU, and put him in the sonverse.
Plus, how would the Universes survive prior to this “anchor person” being born?
@@bdizzle0055 perhaps once the anchor person passes the way the universe intended, Then it passes onto someone else.
In terms of how the universe would survive prior to the anchor being born, that’s probably just a result of the whole anchor concept being something Loki created now that he controls the multiverse, hence why universes never died in prior MCU history.
Correct
@@dountz1245 Seems super contrived but if Loki is involved, I'm in.
When it comes to the anchor points, I think it's possible that Tony was an anchor point, and since he lived out his life to his final destination, Peter turned into the anchor point of the MCU.
Why are they further confusing us non comic book reading casual fans with this multiverse thing. This sounds dumb and they’re making it more complicated than it should be
Exactly
Well it's not even from the comics they just use throw shit to the wall and see if it sticks because supposedly it's all mapped out just use Molecule man he's powerful AF and people will like that smh they want us to think about these stupid details instead of giving us cool shit to talk about after the movie is over.
If Peter Parker is a molecular man, but Peter Parker will dies one day
Did anyone make it through this entire video? it changes every day. Think I will just wait another year or so for the movie lol!
i’m 2 minutes in and just paused it so i can comment this and click off. tired of these bs videos wasting my time just so he can get clicks and views.
I appreciate these videos but yeah, it's getting a little too much, just like comics did for me back before the internet.
this would be beyond stupid for marvel to decide that tom holland is not just spider man but also the molecule man. this is lazy storytelling if it’s true
I'm halfway thru but i didn't hear him being the molecule man just one of these anchor points which is just a stupid idea i mean they don't have to introduce every important character slowly just put him in part 1 & 2 as Owen Reece rhe Molecule man. I'm so tired of them just choosing not to use source material and concoct some idea that doesn't improve the plot just makes it so stupid a smart person can't understand it.
Here's just a random thought, what if Tony Stark was the anchor point of the MCU? It could explain the slowish decay of the MCU post Endgame (ala Tony's death).
"Kraven's Last Hunt": The symbiote did not save Peter... Kraven sedated Peter for a time. The Black Cat sewed a replica of the symbiote uniform for Peter as she was attracted to Peter as Spiderman more than Peter as himself. That Nexus commercial in Wandavision says verbatim anchor to your reality and - the world doesn’t revolve around you, or does it? They are combining nexus beings with this anchor concept There is no way Marvel would give Sony that much leverage over 616 by having Spiderman be the anchor point because Strange gave away the Time Stone he caused an incursion at 7:11 and they did win the fight against Thanos, but Strange could do that by himself the Illuminati proved. Nevertheless, the play is that the team won in the End Game. WHAT IF...Loki is their molecule man... I mean Loki's ALWAYS survive...don't they? Also, once 616 Loki left, is when they began incursions I really don't like that the MCU keeps getting called 616. Man, I assumed these outcomes with Tom Holland's Spider even before your video and it's super! Since this concept of death and the symbiote just blows the brain. I really want to see it on the big screen lol when he said I thought about the blip Owen Rease is the bomb lol Super excited! Wait, wouldn't that one special person be Michael Keaton's Vulture? lol He's in Morbius randomly and no one explained why. So technically he's in multiple places at once, saying things like "What's up doc?" face-blue-smiling Anchor points coming after God Loki could make sense. Whatever decisions that the “anchor” person makes could lead to new universes and “branches” in the timeline and if they die the universe starts to decay. Could totally see it. Dude this makes zero sense cause Marvel would never make Spiderman the center of anything right now having to deal with Sony
The anchor person for a universe is pretty easy to potentially explain. Each universe is a branch on the World Tree. Every person ever born spawns a new branch of the tree (which branches infinitely based on the infinite potential of that one person) and this branch is wholly contingent upon their existence, even after their death. Remove this person from that timeline though and it stands to reason that every potential outcome from their life - the branches of the multiverse which are contingent upon them - cease to exist beyond the point that they are removed from their timeline and all of that future potential crumbles. Every person is an essential part of the universe and timeline which they have the power to effect. The Molecule Man is too cosmic of a being to be used. They originally made it so he could not affect humans, but that went away and he became too powerful. Otherwise, the Ancient One would have realized, but that would be 5 years too early and too late, right?! Perhaps the reason 616 didn’t start to decay when Spider-Man was snapped away was because he wasn’t technically dead? And was still somewhere within that universe, whether that be the soul realm or a pocket dimension that was still within the boundaries of that universe.. he also says to Tony that he “must have passed out” because he woke up and Dr. Strange was telling him it’s time to go so if that is true about spider-man then that could explain why it didn’t decay I would really like a comic book-accurate universe in the MCU. It makes sense to have one in the movies. Awesome All I have to say is Knull .. the universe has forgotten Peter Parker & Eddy Brock/Venom are being pulled into this universe to be the king of the void or this 616 universe will be destroyed 👀Based on what you are saying it's basically a universal butterfly effect. That explains why these "chosen ones" can't die. The butterfly effect is the idea that small things can have non-linear impacts on a complex system. Meaning if one of these guys died it would affect the rest of the timeline example: If Dr. Strange died in the car accident instead of losing his hands then Thanos would have won or Wanda would have been able to kill off several universes. Just an idea. I assumed it was more like: our mcu doesn’t have a Deadpool or Wolverine, so it’s dying I don’t think they would make Tom Holland so important to a major plot role. Simply because he can’t avoid spoiling. They can’t trust him Josh you care more about this stuff than anyone at Marvel even your precious Fiege please know that the MCU as you remember is over all the true creatives that helped shape it have left and you can tell nothing holds weight Maybe …. Every character we have been introduced to in the MCU has a universe where they are the anchor. At some point in Secret Wars, those characters will become our 616 because the rest die
Did anyone make it through this entire video? it changes every day. Think I will just wait another year or so for the movie lol! Sounds almost like paragons in the arrow verse crisis on infinite Earths wow 😮
interesting theory. What if the anchor point was Kang in all universes? when the function is Kang will be in every Universe and he’ll be the MCU’s Molecule Man. Mark my words Here's just a random thought, what if Tony Stark was the anchor point of the MCU? It could explain the slowish decay of the MCU post-Endgame (ala Tony's death). honestly, a mortal being like Peter being the anchor to hold the universe together is just dumb. It can't be a mortal being, that wouldn't make any sense at all. Could be 616's version of Molecule Man, could be the Beyonder, who I hope Henry Cavill is playing, or one of the Eternals. Is this what a Nexus Being is to the MCU? An anchor being? It has to be another character we never seen die. It's thor for 616 From ALL of these Details I REALY REALY Hope the MCU gets back to telling the OVERALL STORY of the Multiverse. Since the End Game, all these movies and their All Stories have been All over the place without any Cohesive All Story being told from Project to Project (Except for Loki). Let's get back to what's ahead in the upcoming Storyline to get Fans interested again!!
gotta have the molecule man for Secret Wars Darkseid defeats Zod Marvel needs to rehire Johnathan Majors and do this saga correctly.
Kang will be in every Universe and he’ll be the MCU’s Molecule Man. Mark my words
It sounds like a gigantic hot mess compared to 2015 Secret Wars and even 1984 Secret Wars. I would even bet money that the people writing this story never picked up a single comic book out of either of those arcs.
Yeah I doubt that, they aren’t long reads.
@@ronthorn3 I might agree with you if it weren't for the fact that there's a compilation video making the rounds online of people behind the scenes at Marvel Studios talking about how either they chose not to adapt the source material or werw directly told not to look at the source material.
There is no way Marvel would give Sony that much leverage over 616 by having Spiderman be the anchor point smh
Plus when the blip happened why didn't everything disappear?
Because Strange gave away the Time Stone 6:51 he caused an incursion 7:11 they did win the fight against Thanos, but Strange could do that by himself the Illuminati proved. Nevertheless, the play is that the team won in End Game.
I don’t think they would make Tom holland so important to a major plot role. Simply because he can’t avoid spoiling. They can’t trust him
If it’s like multiple man. I think it’s like Spider-Man (not 616 Peter Parker) or characters like Doctor Strange or Wanda. But Loki theory is the best bet.
what if marvel announced mcu secret wars writers are jonathan hickman & micheal woldron😍
I would love to see the TVA get replaced with an Exiles team of Multiversal remnants.
I honestly think they've wasted a lot of time for a Multiversal Saga, should have more alternate universe variants... like a true Old Man Logan world. A 2099 world. A 1602 world. A Guardians 3000 world. Cancerverse world. Age of Apocalypse world. Avengers Next/M2 world. Mangaverse world. Zombie world. House of M world. And more.
But I'll buy the ticket and hope for the best.
Anchor points coming after God Loki could make sense. Whatever decisions that the “anchor” person makes could lead to new universes and “branches” in the timeline and if they die the universe starts to decay. Could totally see it.
I'm actually really excited for them to adapt the Hickman Secret Wars over the 1984 version if it means soft rebooting the MCU as a whole here
WHAT IF...Loki is their molecule man... I mean Loki's ALWAYS survive...don't they? Also, once 616 Loki left, is when they began incursions
Not convinced the Richard E. Grant Loki survived.
@@makingmusiconline2309he definitely didn't survive his horns hit the ground after alioth ran thru him his horns are the shoes u get knocked out of.
Guys this isn’t confusing at all… I don’t know how yall don’t get the concept especially after he outlined who Owen Reece and what his purpose was for Jonathan Hickman in the comics. Here instead of it being one crucial person it’s multiple crucial beings within a universe needed to keep that universe going…. Now was that so difficult
I really don't like that the MCU keeps getting called 616.
Especially if it's really called just "Earth-199999"
Man, I assumed these outcomes with Tom Holland's Spider even before your video and it's super! Since this concept with death and the symbiote just blows the brain. I really want to see it on the big screen
Super excited!
As much as the writing has faltered in certain situations throughout Marvel, I wouldn't want them to back themselves into a corner. This would be far beyond what they are currently capable of executing. That's my current thinking, but I would welcome being proven wrong.
In the state that Disney and Marvel are in right now, goodness knows what they’re gonna do but hopefully it will heavily involve Loki, Strange and Thor and even Wolverine somehow!
Every headline we thought we knew that we know has changed so we have no idea- Den of Nerds probably
Base on what you are saying it's basically a unversal butterly effect. That explains why these "chosen ones" can't die. The butterfly effect is the idea that small things can have non-linear impacts on a complex system. Meanig if one of these guys died it would affect the rest of the timeline example: If Dr. Strange died in the car accident instead of loosing his hands then Thanos would have won or Wanda would have been abale to kill off several universes. Just an idea.
Think about the anchor point as a bloodline if you look at it like that you can kinda make Madame Webb make sense and connect instead of a singular person
Sounds almost like paragons in the arrowverse crisis on infinite earths
Josh you care more about this stuff than anyone at Marvel even your precious Fiege please know that the MCU as you remember is over all the true creatives that help shape it have left and you can tell nothing holds weight
I have a question
Is there a built in way to bring characters back
From when Loki was taken to the tva ?
Was that whole timeline now a branch reality ?
lol when he said I thought about the blip lol
I think the molecule man idea of an achor will be translated into the mcu as being not the same person but different people in the MCU. Each universe has its own "anchor". Could lead to the multiversal avengers.
ok, hear me out. Spider-Man is an anchor point... but not the MCUs. Tobey is. Deadpool is already showing us it'll be meta with "Im Marvel Jesus" and all that. And they said SLOW decays. Im gonna say Strange from the 838 is theirs. and (HEAR ME OUT) Tony Stark is 616's. With how meta Deadpool 3 is gonna be, wouldnt it make sense its the character that started it all? And since hes died, the wuality of the MCU has slowly decayed in real life. what if a part of Secret Wars has to do with that? if we are leading into a soft reboot, is it possible we might see past characters returning? whose to say bringing Tony back isnt what they need to do to save this universe?
If were having a mutiverse scenario with F4, I love to see a universe involving the infamous unreleased F4 movie from decades ago.
Give them the 15 mins of fame they were promised all those years ago.
Use the same actors (if possible).
An Easter egg that's more for the actors involved than the audience while at the same time making complete sense.
First off Spider-Man wasn't dead for 5 years they were put somewhere. That was explained. It'd be nice to see the movie and be surprised
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Deadpool who's a nexus element in his world becomes an assassination target of a group of antiheroes who figured out about TVA and want to destroy TVA and take control of time to rewrite history to their own will (everyone deserves a happy ending). They are trying to assassinate every nexus element. Deadpool gets to TVA and goes on a mission to hunt down this cult alongside wolverine but ends up joining the cult instead. Ending is just madness 😂
Imagine for a sec… Fantastic 4 starting out in a different universe. Almost like how black panther wakanda forever started. Everything starts in a panic. You slowly start to meet the team as everyone is frantically moving around. I strongly believe fantastic 4 should start out as an incursion happening in their universe. An as a last ditch effort they escape to universe 616. Imagine then they meet everyone an warn of incoming danger
This anchor point stuff sounds dumb as shit compared to the molecule man. The more the mcu drifts away from the comics the worse it is.
Awesome
Maybe …. Every character we have been introduced to in the MCU has a universe where they are the anchor. At some point in Secret Wars those characters will become our 616 because the rest die
Max Minghella from Book of Saw 00:38
Wait, wouldn't that one special person be Michael Keaton's Vulture? lol He's in Morbius randomly and no one explained why.
So technically he's in multiple places at once, saying sht like "What's up doc?"
my new theory is that the soft rebooted universe will be made up of anchor point characters including all of the civilians. Because the it was stated that since ANYBODY can make a mistake and make a branching timeline meaning that nobody truly ever has free will. MEANING that in the end the new universe will be made up of people with who have the ability to make their own choices.
Really hope they do the Hickman route
I hope so too
So, is it possible that Ant-Man could be that person in the MCU? Given that Kang asked if he had killed him before might suggest that it could be.
Otherwise, the Ancient One would have realized, but that would be 5 years too early and too late, right?!
honestly, a mortal being like Peter being the anchor to hold the universe together is just dumb. It can't be a mortal being, that wouldn't make any sense at all. Could be 616's version of molecule man, could be the Beyonder, who I hope Henry Cavill is playing, or one of the Eternals.
whelp... i just got to the point where you talked about this... I'm a big dummy.
The anchor person for a universe is pretty easy to potentially explain. Each universe is a branch on the World Tree. Every person ever born spawns a new branch of the tree (which branches infinitely based on the infinite potential of that one person) and this branch is wholly contingent upon their existence, even after their death.
Remove this person from that timeline though and it stands to reason that every potential outcome from their life - the branches of the multiverse which are contingent upon them - cease to exist beyond the point that they are removed from their timeline and all of that future potential crumbles.
Every person is an essential part of the universe and timeline which they have the power to effect.
wow 😮
Marvel needs to rehire Johnathan majors and do this saga correctly
What if Kang is the Anchor Point. So He Who Remains killing of Kang’s to create the Sacred Timeline actually caused incursions which would destroy the Universe that He Who Remains was trying to protect! 😮
They cut ties with majors tho, so doubt it will be kang
Is this what a Nexus Being is to the MCU? An anchor being?
Bring back Jonathan Majors Kang and let bro COOK IT UP🔥🔥
This sounds so so so dumb.
The Molecule Man is too cosmic of a being to be used. They originally make it so he could not affect humans, but that went away and he became too powerful.
If this is the case it could be dope but im not getting my hopes up yet it seems like they keep changing stuff.
Steppenwolf vs Aquaman & Zod
Darkseid defeats Zod
All I have to say is Knull .. the universe has forgotten Peter Parker & Eddy Brock/Venom is being pulled into this universe to be the king of the void or this 616 universe will be destroyed 👀
Brother...
You crack me up. Kang is OUT, bro. You're guessing is not helping the writers at all.
Watch The Boys😂
We’ve seen Doom twice I think with some many other Villains to go with adding him rushingly would be lame. But with almost every UA-camr glazing him it’s gonna force Marvels hand and it probably won’t be third times the charm but I digress
Wanda
Jean Grey
Nick Cage Ghost Rider
Tobey McGuire Spiderman
Owen Rease is the bomb lol
Peter is the pin point of the 616 comics universe cause everyone can be connected to his family tree....yet for mcu I would say Tony since this all started messing up after end game which he dies in lol
I would really like a comic book accurate universe in the MCU. It makes sense to have one in the movies.
Bro, imagine if Dr. doom was the anchor point for the fantastic four universe😭🙌🏻
Is it too crazy to think that they're not doing the Hickman Secret Wars, at least not like how we think, cuz we see it in the Void universe where Marvel has thrown away all its trash??
It has to be another character we never seen die. Its thor for 616
Come on Josh you know there called Nexus beings
How do you think there goin to introduce galactus
From ALL of these Details I REALY REALY Hope the MCU gets back to telling the OVERALL STORY of the Multiverse. Since the End Game, all these movies and their Storiees are All over the place without Any Coheisive Story being told from Project to Project (Except for Loki). Lets get back to whats ahead in the upcoming Storyline to get Fans interested again!!
So Deadpool could be the "Marvel Jesus" as he's there to save the anchor Captain Marvel?
Loki is ‘Marvel Jesus!’
interesting theory. What if the anchor point was Kang in all universes?
I mean Jeez these ideas make no sense & sound terrible. Screencrush uses so much of the same material and this guy just says shit that never happens hopefully his streak stays in tact.
But what if you have 2 of this being in one universe ? What will happen then ?
My theory is that after Loki take the multyverse in his hands, he gives the role of anchor to one being at every universe. When one person die , Loki give it to an other person but untile then , cause there is no anchor, there is a gradual disequilibrium... which leads the branches of The try of life to merge. Destroying one of the or both. Maybe now Loki will play Madam's Web role and give this anchor role to spidermans all over the spiderverse. Cause madam web sucked...
i wonder if we'll get toxin and chasm at some point. i wonder if tom holland dies, if they'll throw him in the polymer like ben reilly(Scarlett Spider) dealt with before becoming chasm
So how does a universe exist before a person is even born?? SAF
? Owen Wilson, Owen Reece.
?Mobius M, Molecule Man 🤔
This sounds dumb. I hope these lame rumors are not true. There is enough time to bring in molecule man. Or just stick with Dr strange being the key to everything.
The Hulk Is molecule man for Dealpool 3
What if Ironman was an anchor variant for the 616 which is why the 616 is dying now
Hence another reason for the fail safe loom in Loki maybe if tony lived maybe the loom doesn’t overload somehow or bc of Tony’s death we will have incursions and bc of strange!
So it’s team Loki vs team Kang (Beyonder) in secret wars
Sounds confusing, marvel needs to dumb this now asap
I assumed it was more like: our mcu doesn’t have a deadpool or wolverine, so it’s dying
Molecule man out. Anchor man in. Will Ferrell confirmed.
Scarlet Witch will be the nexus being in 616. I think you need to look at the nexus commercial in WandaVision. The fact that it was introduced in WandaVision makes this clear. The commercial states that the anti-depressant anchors you to reality or a reality of your choice. That clearly refers to Wanda. I know you are anti-female so it is not surprising. Toby McGuire will be the nexus being not Tom Holland.
Aquaman vs Steppenwolf
Black adman sissy’s with the oarademons
Maybe its Thanos. We've seen him die/dead in 2-3 universes.
Dude is trying to be logical with a production team that stop caring about any of that sort of thing a long long time ago. I mean even End Game has 497 plot holes
Skipping 75 yrs and diefing Jonathon Hickman is just dumb.It disrespects the creators and writers before him.
Spider-Man is supposed to die it’s apart of the timeline…. Him getting resurrected is supposed be happen ..
Lex Luthor Blue beetle the flash atrocities red lanterns Dr fate beast boy
Vs
Darkseid
Steppwolf and paradmeons doomsday vs red guardian green arrow with lex weaponry kryptonite red hood cyborg red lion etc black adam zod aquaman vs stepoeolf army
Is this another "Rumor" like the "Bigger" Endgame villain that turned out to be a tornado? Please stop with the theory B.S.
The lore is confusing because these heroes in many cases do age so why would losing them destroy the universe. Even Logan aged. So were these universes always destined to die once a certain person was born and their lifespan happened? LMAO 05:08 that makes more sense.
No mention of the ORIGINAL Secret Wars storyline ? I mean shouldn’t the ORIGINAL SECRET WARS MATTER FOR THIS UPCOMING FILM ?
Unless they're really adapting the 2025 Jonathan Hickman version of Secret Wars over the 1984 one
The choose one for what 😂like why does everything revolve around Spiderman? Definitely not a fan of that angle.
Marvel is done with, being on Star Wars