edit 3/oct/24 - been meaning to add a little edit for a while to this video but just getting round to it - so this vid contains a cody ko reference, i made this one before any of the allegations came out against him. unfortunately i have been a big fan of his for years so put the reference in, but i fully believe and stand with tana and am no longer a fan. when i make the big compilation video i refer to at the start of this vid i will edit the reference out as i still have the project file. love u
Congrats on moving and gifting the Mermaid's Pendant irl! Take all the time you need! These videos are worth the wait. I answered your poll! But if I might suggest, maybe you make a second series, another video for each character after 1.6 🙊 A big ask! But if you already had the scripts done, and you wouldnt have to spoil the game for yourself……….… 😂 Selfishly i just want as many videos like this as possible 💕
First off... Congratulations on moving and the wedding!!! If only planning weddings were as simple as in Stardew! :D I am happy that you were able to release a video at all with everything going on, but, really appreciate the update. :) I hope everything goes as smooth as possible -- make sure you're taking care of yourself first! I think your comment on making a big long video is the perfect opportunity to incorporate any 1.6 information that might have been missed. I am guessing at this point that your present analysis of the characters is not going to change much overall, and that any new information you can glean from the dialogue will just serve to further, not contradict, your current content.
Something I love about the 8 heart scene is that, even though Haley is getting a love for nature and animals...they're not her cows.They're not even *my* cows. She basically trespasses onto poor Marnie's land to play with her livestock! I know the game couldn't make that scene wait til we had cows, but I love how that little detail almost accidentally shows off how Haley still thinks of the world in quite a simple way, even as she grows up more. Haley wants to ride a cow? She's going to ride a cow.
As an American…I thought that business tax joke was funny because honestly education suffers in the states because taxes don’t go where they should. In Stardew’s case, Lewis makes a gold statue of himself instead of getting the kids new books…
@@fionasangster He collects taxes from every business in Pelican Town once a week except yours. He sends you money in the mail sometimes from "the agricultural fund" (I'm convinced he skims some off the top for himself). He has a solid gold statue of himself that you can put somewhere in the town and if you do it disappears the next day and you get an unsigned letter asking you not to spill his secrets with a 750G bribe. The man definitely runs some sort of money laundering scheme.
I’ve also seen theories that the reason Haley hates prismatic shard is because Emily loves all gems and it’s a gem. So she hates it because she associates it with her sister. (Which is similar to her fruits and vegetables being hated while Emily is very health conscious)
As someone who has being overshadowed by way of gifts, I think she hates the prismatic shard on principle because it’s a gem and gems are Emily’s thing. She’s the younger sister and doesn’t want to just be known as “oh just Emily’s sister” and it’s important to her to be an individual. Of someone gives you a gift that they would also give your sibling, it feels like they are not taking the time to actually know and care about your likes and dislikes, and therefore they aren’t going to put in the effort to their relationship with you. It’s not that she hates it because she hates her sister, she hates it because she doesn’t want to be her sister in your mind.
Wasnt there a line where she says she doesnt like things that are prettier than her, and thats why she doesnt like it? I feel like i remember this but cant go researching it atm
In my opinion, Haley hates the prismatic shard BECAUSE everyone else loves it. It’s a trend, and Haley doesn’t want to be trendy. She wants to set trends. Also, Haley loves clothes and Emily loves making clothes. Haley would have had to have been a model and/or mannequin for her sister at some point. I also think the dialog about saving the seagull at the beach is interesting, because it mirror Emily saving the parrot during her 6 heart event. As for the Flower Dance, it is a fertility rite, but it also shows all of the eligible bachelors and bachelorettes at the same time, which can be handy if you’re a new player. There are other single people there, but they don’t participate. (It breaks my heart every year that Marlon doesn’t ask Marnie to dance. She deserves so much better.)
no, she follows fashion trends. the theory is believe is that since emily loves all gems (as well as fruit), haley doesnt like it. whatever emily likes, haley wont like. though diamonds are an exception bc ig "diamonds are a girls best friend" or because ppl love it in jewelry (especially wedding rings, though pelican town uses a pendant)
i always thought it was because she’s not as superficial deep down as she presents herself, at the end of the day the girl is mildly traumatised by her parents “going on vacation” aka disappearing, she’s coming into herself as an adult, (the following is in my head canon) she like alex is mlm, she’s wlw coming into her sexuality and discovering herself along side that, although like alex & haley functionally are playersexual, she’s just figuring out her sexuality now the new farmer has come to town & is also trying to intentionally create distance from anyone who isn’t her good friend so she doesn’t get hurt again if they left like her parents, idk i just don’t see her as all that superficial deep down
the "maybe it'll wash up on another shore" line in her six heart event is what made me start loving haley. i think it says a lot about her that she's not Only upset that the bracelet isn't hers anymore. instead, if it's gone *she wants someone else to have it*. if this special thing that brings her joy is gone, she hopes that instead of laying unloved at the bottom of the ocean, someone else will be able to love it like she did. and i dunno, that just says something about her
I always sort of assumed that the "plastic shoes" line was referring to the farmer wearing wellingtons and she just has no idea what they are. So I guess the makeup version could be similar - Haley's worldview view just does not encompass function over fashion at all
totally agree about the 10 hearts scene. So many things indicate that you shouldn't go for the kiss. I think that scene has a poor understanding of the female perspective. if a woman is alone in a tiny dark room with someone there must be a lot of hints that the mood is supposed to be romantic or it comes across super creepy,
Honestly, the whole of how Haley's written gave me massive One Man Sitting Alone In A Room vibes before I even knew it was Eric sitting alone in a room writing her
also as a ~gay~ and a ~woman~ it was annoying to me 'cause I though I was doing the right thing but the game ended up shaming me! idk it felt unfair(I'm rewatching this video. Haley is my fave
I think the thing we’re all forgetting here is that Haley totally has a massive crush on you by this point?? You are literally her boyfriend/girlfriend? Who wouldn’t want their partner to be romantic and kiss them in their dark room? It’s not like it’s an 8 heart event before you even give her the bouquet. It’s really not that creepy.
@@gforce6902yes, sort of, but she just opened up and showed us her very private hobby. Regardless of who my crush is, if their first reaction after me pouring my nerdy heart out is going for the kiss id just feel used? unheard? while “omg yes let’s decorate!” shows that i actually give a damn about her hobby and i’m not just there to smooch
in the 1.6 update, she has a new diaglogue during green rain where she is taking shelter in the saloon and she says she’s never been in here before but it’s cosier then she expected
an example of on of those ‘morality questions’ i don’t like is one of penny’s heart events 💀 she tries to help george get his mail but literally PUSHES HIS WHEELCHAIR WITHOUT ASKING and instead of telling her off you have to either take her side or find a middle ground and it ends with george apologizing for overreacting which pisses me off 😭😭😭
I love Haley! Her and Leah are my favorite bachelorettes. They're the ones I most actively befriend in the game. I adore Haley's arc. She opens herself up to new experiences, connects to people around her, and becomes one of the most conscientious people in town. Yet, she doesn't lose her entire personality. She remains sassy and assertive. I get where you're coming from about her 10 heart event getting muddled by mixed signals. I suspect that Concerned Ape was going for her playing coy during that moment rather than being openly blushing. The pauses seem like she could be dragging out the "Um" and "anyway." Round the eyes and purse the lips, and the expression would read as coy. It feels like a case of using a portrait to double for multiple purposes, but it not quite being close enough to work for everyone. The pursed lips would have helped convey the flirting and desire to be kissed. "Try to kiss her" does sound more questionable about her consent, and it adds to the confusion for sure. Her 14 heart event is really wholesome and among my favorites.
I would read further into the line about not needing you for pickles anymore as being away to show you that she doesn't just think of you as someone who can do her chores for her so she can avoid it. After watching the fight with Emily, she's probably a little embarrassed to be seen as lazy and childish, and the tool for the jar seems pretty symbolic to me
Of all the Haley deep dives I've seen, this is now my favorite. It's offered some good new perspectives towards her character and I'm happy to meet another Haley stan. One thing I want to add in defense of her 4 heart event (people seem to really hate it) is that the early game of Stardew encourages doing Help Wanted quests. For seasoned players they can speedrun marriage even before the third week of Spring. But if you take your time playing you've likely done tons of these quests before getting to Haley's 4 heart event. Which means you established yourself as a dependable and helpful person in the town. You probably walked into the sisters house to FULFILL one of their quest. So to Haley, you opening that jar is just normal. Like "Oh you got me that sea cucumber I asked for yesterday! Well since you are here can you also do this thing for me?" And your response to her question can be read as you either understanding and accepting your role, or tryna get outta tasks these villagers can't be bothered to do. So when she says she is surprised at your strength it can also be read as annoying to the player, because "Um, I slay slimes and ghost for money every week. I mine, chop, and fish for my nown resources. I manage a labor intensive, giant farm without a tractor every day from sun up to sun down. What do you mean you are surprised I am strong?" To take it further if you look at the "wrong" answer for her 14 heart event, it can be seen as a callback to her 4 heart event. You answer in a way to express you really don't want to do something these villagers can do themselves, but Haley forces you anyway. But whereas before Haley asks you because it's just kinda what you are known as (the helpful farmer), now she is making sure you are still involved with your community. Which I think is nice since by this point you've automated the farm completely and probably haven't look at the board or bothered attending a festival in a while.
My theory is that Hailey thinks prismatic shards are tacky 😅 she likes other gems but maybe she thinks all of the colors together clash so she doesn't like it, no matter how rare/expensive it is.
The same thing happened to me, I read the “try to kiss her” option as creepy so I didn’t pick it and I had to quit and restart the day because I didn’t want the scene to be messed up
The headcanon I've seen most often on why Haley hates prismatic shards is because there are too many colours in it - it 'clashes' with everything unless your room is a rainbow. I romanced Haley out of spite at first, but ended up falling in love with her, especially as a spouse. She grows so much, and it's just adorable when she says she fed the animals or watered the crops for you. Sweetie, we have sprinklers and autofeeders, but I love the enthusiasm. She's also just so cute (maybe I'm superficial too lol) - that wide-eyed sprite steals my heart, and seeing her blush feels like an accomplishment. Like this girl who was so confident in herself is blushing because of YOU! That's a big deal! But yes, I also love my rude wife, and can't wait to see Harvey next!
This is why my favorite rarepair is Haley/Leah. Imagine the two art girls hanging out and talking about self expression and applying to galleries together. Ouuughhh. Haley is my favorite female marriage option thank you for doing her justice
100% agree with you about the 10 heart scene especially about her facial expression!! It’s good that the 8 heart scene includes her interest too. Also agree about blunt vs rude vs mean. About the 4 heart scene - we know Hayley is blunt, or framed more positively she’s honest. After all the hard work you do around the farm you’ll definitely be strong so I think the reason saying yes gives friendship points is because she values honesty. I think to her it’s just another fact, like how you’re not fashionable (but are still pretty) or don’t always smell good. The reason saying no loses hearts could just be because she sees it as dishonest, rather than humble. Or maybe also because if you can open the jar even though you’re not strong, you’re insulting her by implication? But I think it’s more about honesty. If I’m right in assuming the best about concerned ape’s intentions honesty could also be the point/intent behind the 10 heart scene??? Like she wants you to be straightforward about your intentions? That would be more consistent with her character but the way it’s written definitely doesn’t sit right. Also she’s sisters with Emily, I read their conflict as sibling bickering and caused by different preferences rather than one being right or wrong. I actually assumed Emily saying she just wanted to marry a rich man was kinda mean tbh, rather than a truthful statement. Until the 2 heart scene there’s no reason to think she’s messy, you’d expect the opposite. I think Hayley prefers to prevent mess so she doesn’t have to clean while Emily likes to make sure everything’s clean with a routine. Which would lead to Emily doing more work.
I also think some people don’t consider how hard it could be for someone with her personality in a small town. Like in her 14 heart scene where she organises a charity event but George dismissively asks if it’s for a new purse. It’s no surprise that she didn’t try to be nice at first if that’s representative of how people see her… I think she’s very creative, she’s obviously gone to a lot of effort to decorate her room in her own style, but people read it as superficial. I also think the player going out of their way to live a lifestyle that was kind of a default choice for others around her prompts her to appreciate things she took for granted. Also for her the city is a fun place where she goes shopping and can find clothes that suit her self-expression, it makes sense that she wanted to live there. Maybe she didn’t know what it was actually like for most people who live there until now? Or just hadn’t considered the downsides? About the prismatic shard, I never thought much about it but it could tie into what you said about her independence. She has a particular aesthetic and they don’t really fit. Maybe it’s a matter of do you really think I’ll like it just because everything else does? Like do you even know me? I also like what someone else said about Emily and gems, that makes a lot of sense
19:09 this is why i really like the George cutscene you get when you do the 12 leeks quest for evelyn. all 3 answers seem like they could be right, but each one gives a very different scene!
15:05 Hi, I'm a programmer. We usually call these remembered pieces of information "variables", and for games in particular when we use them to decide how the narrative goes we call them "flags". Flag would be the word to use for this purpose. Parameter is actually a fairly more technical word describing how one piece of code receives the data from another, but it's not your fault, it's a common misconception. A more minor nitpick but for anyone interested in some basic programming, "string" just refers to the 'type' of data saved. Instead of a "yes/no" or "true/false" choice (called a boolean), a string variable stores a text input letter by letter. Things like your farm name, pet name and Favorite Thing are saved as strings. You probably wouldn't actually use a string for decisions like Elliot's genre, you'd just record the index of the choice (1, 2 or 3) as an integer (number). Or in languages that have an "enumeration" feature, you could have certain code words (such as the genre name) stand in for those numbers in your code for the sake of readability, without spending extra processing power on checking every letter of that text one by one like you would if you used a string. It doesn't actually take a long time to check that, but data-type is still a decision we're taught to make carefully because a few milliseconds here and there do add up when you have to process a thousand of something while the user is waiting.
You offered an awesome perspective on dialogue choice that I hadn't considered before. Even if ConcernedApe decides to never further alter the dialogue, there is a massive community of modders for Stardew -- some of which include developing additional/altered dialogue -- that could potentially make the characters more immersive based on your analysis videos. I think your ideas have tons of potential to be valuable to the Stardew community, and as always, I definitely appreciate that you've taken time out of your incredibly busy schedule to offer an in-depth analysis on each character. I love the idea of giving both agency to the character, as well as the player, and Haley seems like the perfect character to demonstrate what that could look like in her heart scenes. Even though I agree that her dialogue choices could be better, I do adore her progression. I also enjoyed your perspective with divorced Haley -- I wondered if she just moved on because she never cared about you that much in the first place, but what you said makes more sense, because I think she'd still be spiteful/mean of being divorced if she had decided to revert back to that hollow shell. I think it also works because in a bunch of ways, she's the opposite of Emily -- between gemstones, food, etc. So, to me, it tracks that: When you meet Haley, she's used to hiding her true self -- when you meet Emily, she's used to being expressive and open. When you divorce Haley, she's open-minded, and when you divorce Emily, she closes herself off. Thanks again for your deep-dive on Haley! I'm looking forward to your big compilation video! xo
The cake walk event makes me really want to see some permanent schedule changes based on your spouse (although I don't know what some of them like Penny would change). Can you imagine an annual cake walk? Monthly boys gridball night and Emily visiting Sandy? Or an annual spouse event like going to a game, going to a concert, visiting the beach, etc.
I saw this pop up and quite literally yelled out "Oh Let's fuckin' GOOOOOOO. Absolutely adoring your videos and your style! Thank you for making these and can't wait to see more!
ive always poerceived haley as just a straight... air-head? so yeah, she's self-centered, but whenever i read the "mean" lines i always heard them more of just her being..... "blonde", not even realizing she's being mean
haley stans rise up 🙌 loving and defending her till the end of time i love your deep dives !! i think its so fun to see that yes on the surface she and her sister are opposites, like looking at their likes dislikes etc. but really theyre quite similar in the way that they are both sure of themselves as a person but realizing that they could find people who bring them happiness and help them grow in a way. learning to be more open to other people aww its a shame she and alex dont see each other as potential friends for real, i like to think they are however in canon, yeah 😔. it would be cute if she wanted to ecpand her horizons too and explore his interests and he hers as you get closer to her appreciating her character more so and seeing another perspective (which i find myself doing through all your deep dives :3) and yeah !! shes rude and blunt, not particularly mean acts of service :D lmfao her telling you to sleep in the dog house >:/ i love her ♡♡♡ the community reference pfft. also yeah her 10-heart scene...that was.. whew her divorce line ough ... :') oh haley 🥺
What's funny is I never really liked Haley that much to begin with until a guy friend of mine told me that he stans her. He likes mean girls though, and being pushed around. Now I just find her funny xD
Girl, I just had probably one of the worst days in a long time. Seeing this pop up as soon as I opened youtube put the biggest smile on my face. Your videos always make me smile and just breathe for an hour. You have no idea who I am but having this hour to listen to you talk about stardew was just what I needed. You are a wonderful content creator, congratulations on your upcoming wedding and your move. ❤
i love haley :] I really appreciate her depth, and i also just think it's funny when characters are just so bluntly rude to us LOL HARVEY!!! I'M EXCITED FOR NEXT TIME!!!! jklfsjdklfdsj crying at the image you picked to pull for him 😭😭😭 i love my nerd husband LOL
i really like how you always match the character’s you’re talking about, it’s very cute and I really like your sweater vest this vid! perfect choice ☁️☀️
I instantly fell in love with Haley when I saw her! And then it turned out that she would be one of the best choices to go to. Love your videos, found you 2 days ago and i watched all of your videos and i'm so happy that you uploaded a new one so soon!♥
your analysis about haley's ten heart scene totally changed my pov on it!! i also thought it was a bit odd, but the way you described it made me... sad almost? like, shes so used to people wanting her in a physical/superficial way (sorta like how she always prioritized physical appearances/attributes and superficial qualities) so she assumed that the way to express interest, love, and affection was by someone kissing her w/o asking in a dark room, rather than trying to engage with her in her outside interests and hobbies. LIKE... LET US CARE ABOUT YOU HALEY!!!! thank u for this
I would love to see what 1.6 added to Haley since ConcernedApe added a bunch of new dialogue. I am a new viewer and I already love you! I love your content style and the mix of explaining the game design as well as the character themselves. Congrats on your move!
I started playing Stardew Valley for the first time ever recently, and I’ve been completely enthralled to the point where when I’m not actively playing I’m watching videos. I’ve been avoiding anything with too heavy spoilers but I discovered your video on Elliot and since I figured I’d never want to romance him myself I may as well watch the deep dives, and I’m doing that with other characters I have 8 hearts with but didn’t want to go on to marry. I absolutely adore your videos, the way they are structured and your explanations plus insight on the dialogue. You are truly one of my favorite comfort creators now and I’m so happy to have discovered you and your channel.
i had the *exact* same experience with the 10 heart scene, right down to the wording, "try" to kiss her, feeling off to me. its gratifying to hear i was not alone in all those thought processes. i wanted to support her hobby! the moment didn't feel right for a kiss. it was so jarring to find out i picked "wrong". in the end, i adored haley's personal arc, but the romance aspect specifically didn't click as well as others. i'm just happy that she's happier and i support her growth all the way 💜 fantastic analysis!
Went through all your deep dives after seeing Elliot’s. I don’t play the game I just like going through rabbit holes. And I must say this rabbit hole was better than expected love it here keep up the good work and cozy vibes❤️
I recently discovered your channel and have been watching this entire series. And you have really changed my perspective on a lot of the characters, I especially have learned to appreciate the depth of Harvey and Haley :)
you definitely changed my mind about haley!! ive been watching/listening to all your sdv deep dives since i found you and i really love them all- u make great work !!
For the 4 hearts scene, if u respond no to being strong I feel like it could also be taken as Haley not liking your lack of self confidence! Then going on to make u prove yourself wrong
I was looking forward for this!! I didn't actually care much for Hailey, but seeing this video just made me feel a lot for her, she's so sweet after she goes through all that development, I love that.
I’m back in my Stardew hyperfixation, too, and I put on your videos while I play it. Your content is such a joy, you’re a ball of sunshine and also have wonderful insight into these characters. Thank you for making these!!
Long live the queen Haley! My gosh I almost never comment on the videos due to being rather shy but I fell in love with your videos (Especially the Elliott one, it was my first video of yours that I watched). I would love if you did deep dives into undateable characters too one day. it's so nice to hear you talk after a long day!
aw thank you!! i’m shy too haha i appreciate the comment!! i’ll totes do some undateables, i am very reluctant to stop making these videos, they are my favourite thing in life rn
HELL YES WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Remember to have fun and stay hydrated though! I'll watch every one of those videos happily!
Agreement regarding the 10 hearts scene. It would read totally differently if the choice said something like "Offer a kiss". Something that doesn't read as pushy. The way it's written, the result is just kind of frustrating. I'm watching all of your videos while drawing, really enjoying your thoughtful analyses on these characters! Your enthusiasm is coming through, plus it's giving me an update on how these heart scenes were changed/elaborated on since way back when I played the game.
I love all of these deep dives! They’re so fun to see and learn more about the characters, I’d love to see one of Shane (don’t judge me haha), or even Harvey! Take your time with these videos, because we’ll know it’ll be amazing once you release it!
I adore your videos so much, and appreciate how much love and effort you give these videos! YOU DESERVE ALL THIS SUPPORT GIRL! Also you have absolutely changed my feelings on Haley, I never got too far in her heart events, I was so pleasantly surprised how kind she turns out to be. KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK!
I’ve really been liking this series! It would be cool to hear more character analyses from like more narrative driven games. Like persona (5) + your discussion of characterization through choice etc. or more bg3
Another lovely video! And I didn't realize that my two favorites (Haley and Harvey) are right next to each other! So excited to see the next part! Keep up the great work! :D
you have such a warm and inviting personality! its a joy to watch your content and im super excited to see what else you'll do with your channel!! i await the sebastian deep dive... that one will surely blow up
I love stardew valley, thinking way to much about characters and worlds I love and these long videos. Your channel is literally the perfect combination for me! I'm so glad this video found its way on my UA-cam homepage!
Considering I’ve already watched the playlist several times, I’m v hyped for the eventual supercut with bonus content 🥰 congratulations in advance for your wedding!! 💖
I love your assessment of the 10 heart scene! While I love Stardew Valley, I think the game generally has issues with consent. Without actual eye contact and body language, it's hard to tell whether the characters are giving the nonverbal "I want to be kissed" signs, but we also don't get the chance to give or ask for verbal consent.
I could see how people would be weirded out, but if you are at the ten heart scene, you are already in a confirmed relationship with her, lmao. I'm assuming the consent is implied, you know, because they are already dating. Gave the flower bouquet and everything, so it's not like she'd be confused that you're randomly giving her a smooch, you are literally together at that point lol. Its why she's all disappointed if you don't. She's probably thinking, "damn I brought my bf/gf in this dark room and the first thing they suggest is to redecorate" lol
Definitely agreed on the 10 heart cutscene! It always makes me think of Leah’s 2 heart cutscene where you have the “(creepy) May I have a kiss?” option. Understandably there, the player is punished by losing friendship and getting attacked. IMO it’s easy for someone to have seen the option in Leah’s heart event and then think (creepy) whenever trying to kiss anyone in the future. At least it has no effect on friendship for Haley.
Amazing job as always. Again, your deep dive made me think about this character in a new way & like them a bit more (like with Alex). Seeing all her different dialogue together & your more gentle perspective on them got me thinking. It seems like Haley could be interpreted as being neurodivergent in some way. She has trouble with social cues/politeness, says whatever is on her mind without considering others perspectives, has a hard time focusing, needs lots of stimulation or else she gets bored, often has her head in the clouds/not paying close attention, struggles doing things outside her comfort zone, sensitive to temp changes/different foods/etc. This is similar to her sister being "odd" as well, although in slightly different ways. Where Emily embraces that she's different & steers towards the more "woo" stuff, Haley was taken up by the "popular" crowd because she's seen as stereotypically/traditionally "pretty" & is into more mainstream stuff. I'm still not a huge Haley lover but I definitely have more of an appreciation for her now.
I love these don't stop making them! Honestly i would LOVE deep dives of other npcs after you finish the eligible bachelors and bachelorettes! Also do you have a favored mod list? I'd love to share and compare
thank u so so much!! hmmmm ok so for mods i use mostly quality of life stuff like making it so your character moves at the speed of light (Auto Speed), my adhd ass cant deal with how slow the player goes!! i also use one called Skull Cavern Elevator which is what it sounds like bc i guess i actually suck at the combat bc i kept dying over and over it was basically impossible to progress. that one feels like kind of a cheat but it took a lot of frustration out of it for me!! i also use Friends Forever which keeps the hearts from going down bc as i said in the alex video, i have enough of that in my real life thank u (not talking to people leading to friendship decay 😭) i tried SVE/ridgeside and it was fun for a while, i liked the new enemies and questlines but i ended up getting overwhelmed cos i went to ridgeside after not going for a week or so and i got like 8 different heart events playing one after the other so i just gave up lol, i think ill go back to it though, i get overwhelmed easily by new information but now that i know the main game so well i think it'd be easier!
I LOVE Harvey I can't wait to see your deep dive on him, and the potential shade and pointing out his flaws. I also have never romanced Haley because I never realized just how realistic and deep her character growth is, so I think on my newest playthrough I will!
Pursuing Haley feels so rewarding because it feels like it’s benefitting the town community. Hayley grows and finds new passions in life, her relationship with Emily is improved, and Penny and the kids benefit from the fundraising and donations.
About the business tax joke: Lewis has tons of things about him in the game that point to him misusing tax money. I take the joke as the main business owners being a little suspicious after hearing the kids didn't have usable books when there's only 2 kids to provide for.
I really like the style of your video style :) it’s so calm and friendly feeling, this is the first one I’ve watched, and I’m excited to watch the others. Congrats on getting married! And I’m looking forward to the Harvey episode a lot!
you definitely changed my mind on Haley. what an interesting character! totally not what her early events indicated to me at all. I might actually go for her in a future playthrough.
I was definitely not into Haley at first, but I grew to really like her character. It was nice to see she became more open-minded, BUT I 10000% agree with you about the 10-heart-event. I was definitely NOT getting the vibe that she wanted to kiss in that dark room you DEFINITELY have her cornered in. And I also agree that if the way the options were worded was a bit different, it wouldn't be so bad. Possibly some of that on my end was that a heart event with Leah was on my mind, and the "Try to kiss her" rang too much as a creepy move instead of something that she actually was wanting. Cuz, like I said, you DEFINITELY have her cornered in that room. And also you mentioned that she specifically didn't invite you over for that event like so many other 10 hear events. This one, you surprise her by showing up. It's not like we can read her mind, but... it is after you have given her the bouquet, so your intentions are clear and she accepts it. I dunno, I guess it's a problem where it's a conversation in a video game. Some of the subtext is lost, but the character images are supposed to help there. I agree with you, they should have used the blushing face instead of "concerned" or whatever that other image is. In the end, though, it doesn't have a huge impact, but you do miss out on a nice moment with your mean wife if you pick "wrong"!
I've been working on this super frustrating project for work and I've put your deep dive playlist on while I work and your voice has soothed so much of the stress of this project and I am not only making it through this super mundane project but learning so much about character development from one of my favorite games, so win win! Thank you so much for this!
I feel like Haley is one of the few characters that really cares about you the player and takes an interest in you and what you do, as opposed to just liking you and being themselves.
Interesting take on the divorce dialogue…I guess I’d always interpreted it as Haley withdrawing and going back into her cocoon. “What? I’m fine on my own, whatever. I don’t need you, farm boy.” That sort of thing. Like she’s immediately shut back down into a more protective mode and shows the same rude indifference as before. But her not having marriage wedding levels changes things maybe. Idk
I just found your videos and binged them all. I love them, keep up the good work. I can’t wait for Shane but also I’ll be sad because he will be like the last one.
First, this series is fantastic, love that you’re doing it, and please don’t stress about uploads in this busy time of your life!!!!! Also wanted to say, even without marrying Haley myself (yet), I always appreciated her growth through her 8 heart event! She was someone I did ignore for a while since she’s so mean/ ignores the player at first, but her gradual growth made me appreciate the 8 heart (and even the subtle dialogue changes before that) SO much more!!! And finally, I would have made the same choice as you in the 10 heart event, so this is good to know for if I ever do marry her lol
edit 3/oct/24 - been meaning to add a little edit for a while to this video but just getting round to it - so this vid contains a cody ko reference, i made this one before any of the allegations came out against him. unfortunately i have been a big fan of his for years so put the reference in, but i fully believe and stand with tana and am no longer a fan. when i make the big compilation video i refer to at the start of this vid i will edit the reference out as i still have the project file. love u
Wow congrats on the wedding!
PLEASE take your time burnout is a bitch 😅💛
Every video is worth the wait. Wish you the best with the wedding and everything else going on!
Congrats on moving and gifting the Mermaid's Pendant irl! Take all the time you need! These videos are worth the wait.
I answered your poll! But if I might suggest, maybe you make a second series, another video for each character after 1.6 🙊 A big ask! But if you already had the scripts done, and you wouldnt have to spoil the game for yourself……….… 😂 Selfishly i just want as many videos like this as possible 💕
First off... Congratulations on moving and the wedding!!! If only planning weddings were as simple as in Stardew! :D I am happy that you were able to release a video at all with everything going on, but, really appreciate the update. :) I hope everything goes as smooth as possible -- make sure you're taking care of yourself first!
I think your comment on making a big long video is the perfect opportunity to incorporate any 1.6 information that might have been missed. I am guessing at this point that your present analysis of the characters is not going to change much overall, and that any new information you can glean from the dialogue will just serve to further, not contradict, your current content.
congrats on all the irl progress
Something I love about the 8 heart scene is that, even though Haley is getting a love for nature and animals...they're not her cows.They're not even *my* cows. She basically trespasses onto poor Marnie's land to play with her livestock! I know the game couldn't make that scene wait til we had cows, but I love how that little detail almost accidentally shows off how Haley still thinks of the world in quite a simple way, even as she grows up more. Haley wants to ride a cow? She's going to ride a cow.
you had a haley 8 heart event before your had cows? thats crazy
@@joselinlissethgaldamez3667 what can I say? I was down bad for the sunflower girl 💛
@@NoThoughtsJustFloof When are you getting cows?! I get them on spring 1 I thought that was normal xD
@@catfacethemole9551I didn’t get them till the beginning of year 2!
@@catfacethemole9551how?? you’d have to get a barn and pay for the cows and you only have like 500g
As an American…I thought that business tax joke was funny because honestly education suffers in the states because taxes don’t go where they should. In Stardew’s case, Lewis makes a gold statue of himself instead of getting the kids new books…
............ is there actually a gold statue of lewis. have i missed that somehow
@@fionasangster - Yes. Secret note 19 leads you to the statue behind Lewis's house. You can stick it around town to mess with Lewis.
@@fionasangster He collects taxes from every business in Pelican Town once a week except yours. He sends you money in the mail sometimes from "the agricultural fund" (I'm convinced he skims some off the top for himself). He has a solid gold statue of himself that you can put somewhere in the town and if you do it disappears the next day and you get an unsigned letter asking you not to spill his secrets with a 750G bribe. The man definitely runs some sort of money laundering scheme.
Best part if that he sends you hush money afterwards
I’ve also seen theories that the reason Haley hates prismatic shard is because Emily loves all gems and it’s a gem. So she hates it because she associates it with her sister. (Which is similar to her fruits and vegetables being hated while Emily is very health conscious)
As someone who has being overshadowed by way of gifts, I think she hates the prismatic shard on principle because it’s a gem and gems are Emily’s thing. She’s the younger sister and doesn’t want to just be known as “oh just Emily’s sister” and it’s important to her to be an individual. Of someone gives you a gift that they would also give your sibling, it feels like they are not taking the time to actually know and care about your likes and dislikes, and therefore they aren’t going to put in the effort to their relationship with you. It’s not that she hates it because she hates her sister, she hates it because she doesn’t want to be her sister in your mind.
Hmmm, then why does she like diamonds?
@@rowanwax diamonds are less classically used as a crystal and are more used for jewelry, maybe hee grandmothers bracelet has a diamond in it
Omg yesss this makes so much sense and is gonna be my head canon now
Wasnt there a line where she says she doesnt like things that are prettier than her, and thats why she doesnt like it? I feel like i remember this but cant go researching it atm
In my opinion, Haley hates the prismatic shard BECAUSE everyone else loves it. It’s a trend, and Haley doesn’t want to be trendy. She wants to set trends.
Also, Haley loves clothes and Emily loves making clothes. Haley would have had to have been a model and/or mannequin for her sister at some point. I also think the dialog about saving the seagull at the beach is interesting, because it mirror Emily saving the parrot during her 6 heart event.
As for the Flower Dance, it is a fertility rite, but it also shows all of the eligible bachelors and bachelorettes at the same time, which can be handy if you’re a new player. There are other single people there, but they don’t participate. (It breaks my heart every year that Marlon doesn’t ask Marnie to dance. She deserves so much better.)
no, she follows fashion trends. the theory is believe is that since emily loves all gems (as well as fruit), haley doesnt like it. whatever emily likes, haley wont like. though diamonds are an exception bc ig "diamonds are a girls best friend" or because ppl love it in jewelry (especially wedding rings, though pelican town uses a pendant)
@@kaitlynmorgan4613 this theory doesn't really work though, since she does like basically every other gem besides prismatic shard
Could just be that she thinks it looks tacky...
i always thought it was because she’s not as superficial deep down as she presents herself, at the end of the day the girl is mildly traumatised by her parents “going on vacation” aka disappearing, she’s coming into herself as an adult, (the following is in my head canon) she like alex is mlm, she’s wlw coming into her sexuality and discovering herself along side that, although like alex & haley functionally are playersexual, she’s just figuring out her sexuality now the new farmer has come to town & is also trying to intentionally create distance from anyone who isn’t her good friend so she doesn’t get hurt again if they left like her parents, idk i just don’t see her as all that superficial deep down
@@smcp01that’s honestly what I think too. I imagine it looking like those 2020 tacky rainbow resin art, yk?
the "maybe it'll wash up on another shore" line in her six heart event is what made me start loving haley. i think it says a lot about her that she's not Only upset that the bracelet isn't hers anymore. instead, if it's gone *she wants someone else to have it*. if this special thing that brings her joy is gone, she hopes that instead of laying unloved at the bottom of the ocean, someone else will be able to love it like she did. and i dunno, that just says something about her
ooh love this analysis!! she really does have more depth than she’s given credit for
@@fionasangster truly she's incredible. I'm glad you saw this, I'm so obsessed with that line and I've never seen anyone talk about it
I always sort of assumed that the "plastic shoes" line was referring to the farmer wearing wellingtons and she just has no idea what they are. So I guess the makeup version could be similar - Haley's worldview view just does not encompass function over fashion at all
totally agree about the 10 hearts scene.
So many things indicate that you shouldn't go for the kiss. I think that scene has a poor understanding of the female perspective. if a woman is alone in a tiny dark room with someone there must be a lot of hints that the mood is supposed to be romantic or it comes across super creepy,
Honestly, the whole of how Haley's written gave me massive One Man Sitting Alone In A Room vibes before I even knew it was Eric sitting alone in a room writing her
also as a ~gay~ and a ~woman~ it was annoying to me 'cause I though I was doing the right thing but the game ended up shaming me! idk it felt unfair(I'm rewatching this video. Haley is my fave
@@Tuvella1 as a ✨ gay man ✨ she is also my fave
I think the thing we’re all forgetting here is that Haley totally has a massive crush on you by this point?? You are literally her boyfriend/girlfriend? Who wouldn’t want their partner to be romantic and kiss them in their dark room? It’s not like it’s an 8 heart event before you even give her the bouquet. It’s really not that creepy.
@@gforce6902yes, sort of, but she just opened up and showed us her very private hobby. Regardless of who my crush is, if their first reaction after me pouring my nerdy heart out is going for the kiss id just feel used? unheard? while “omg yes let’s decorate!” shows that i actually give a damn about her hobby and i’m not just there to smooch
in the 1.6 update, she has a new diaglogue during green rain where she is taking shelter in the saloon and she says she’s never been in here before but it’s cosier then she expected
I’m married to her and she says something along the lines of “wake me up when it’s pink rain.”
an example of on of those ‘morality questions’ i don’t like is one of penny’s heart events 💀 she tries to help george get his mail but literally PUSHES HIS WHEELCHAIR WITHOUT ASKING and instead of telling her off you have to either take her side or find a middle ground and it ends with george apologizing for overreacting which pisses me off 😭😭😭
that was one of the things that made me wanna make this series lmao, pissed me off so much too
yuh he was overreacting
George's a racist tho
I've used a wheelchair for 20 years now, and that scene made my blood absolutely boil and put me off Penny for the rest of the game 😅
I have a mod that fixes that. It’s called “(CP) Penny’s 2 heart event edit - don’t touch wheelchairs.” On nexus mods
I love Haley! Her and Leah are my favorite bachelorettes. They're the ones I most actively befriend in the game.
I adore Haley's arc. She opens herself up to new experiences, connects to people around her, and becomes one of the most conscientious people in town. Yet, she doesn't lose her entire personality. She remains sassy and assertive.
I get where you're coming from about her 10 heart event getting muddled by mixed signals. I suspect that Concerned Ape was going for her playing coy during that moment rather than being openly blushing. The pauses seem like she could be dragging out the "Um" and "anyway." Round the eyes and purse the lips, and the expression would read as coy. It feels like a case of using a portrait to double for multiple purposes, but it not quite being close enough to work for everyone. The pursed lips would have helped convey the flirting and desire to be kissed. "Try to kiss her" does sound more questionable about her consent, and it adds to the confusion for sure.
Her 14 heart event is really wholesome and among my favorites.
interesting point about the portraits!! v plausible
Finally Haley lovers get the recognition we deserve
I would read further into the line about not needing you for pickles anymore as being away to show you that she doesn't just think of you as someone who can do her chores for her so she can avoid it. After watching the fight with Emily, she's probably a little embarrassed to be seen as lazy and childish, and the tool for the jar seems pretty symbolic to me
Of all the Haley deep dives I've seen, this is now my favorite. It's offered some good new perspectives towards her character and I'm happy to meet another Haley stan.
One thing I want to add in defense of her 4 heart event (people seem to really hate it) is that the early game of Stardew encourages doing Help Wanted quests. For seasoned players they can speedrun marriage even before the third week of Spring. But if you take your time playing you've likely done tons of these quests before getting to Haley's 4 heart event. Which means you established yourself as a dependable and helpful person in the town. You probably walked into the sisters house to FULFILL one of their quest. So to Haley, you opening that jar is just normal. Like "Oh you got me that sea cucumber I asked for yesterday! Well since you are here can you also do this thing for me?" And your response to her question can be read as you either understanding and accepting your role, or tryna get outta tasks these villagers can't be bothered to do.
So when she says she is surprised at your strength it can also be read as annoying to the player, because "Um, I slay slimes and ghost for money every week. I mine, chop, and fish for my nown resources. I manage a labor intensive, giant farm without a tractor every day from sun up to sun down. What do you mean you are surprised I am strong?"
To take it further if you look at the "wrong" answer for her 14 heart event, it can be seen as a callback to her 4 heart event. You answer in a way to express you really don't want to do something these villagers can do themselves, but Haley forces you anyway. But whereas before Haley asks you because it's just kinda what you are known as (the helpful farmer), now she is making sure you are still involved with your community. Which I think is nice since by this point you've automated the farm completely and probably haven't look at the board or bothered attending a festival in a while.
My theory is that Hailey thinks prismatic shards are tacky 😅 she likes other gems but maybe she thinks all of the colors together clash so she doesn't like it, no matter how rare/expensive it is.
The same thing happened to me, I read the “try to kiss her” option as creepy so I didn’t pick it and I had to quit and restart the day because I didn’t want the scene to be messed up
The headcanon I've seen most often on why Haley hates prismatic shards is because there are too many colours in it - it 'clashes' with everything unless your room is a rainbow.
I romanced Haley out of spite at first, but ended up falling in love with her, especially as a spouse. She grows so much, and it's just adorable when she says she fed the animals or watered the crops for you. Sweetie, we have sprinklers and autofeeders, but I love the enthusiasm. She's also just so cute (maybe I'm superficial too lol) - that wide-eyed sprite steals my heart, and seeing her blush feels like an accomplishment. Like this girl who was so confident in herself is blushing because of YOU! That's a big deal!
But yes, I also love my rude wife, and can't wait to see Harvey next!
SAME I romanced her because she was mean to me and I saw that you could marry her and I took that as a challenge. like screw you I’m gonna marry you
'Ealey and Himily' was actually really nice to the ears ty
51:07 " I don't care if they arrest, I'm gonna keep defending Haley."
OMG! I love your humour! 😂
This is why my favorite rarepair is Haley/Leah. Imagine the two art girls hanging out and talking about self expression and applying to galleries together. Ouuughhh. Haley is my favorite female marriage option thank you for doing her justice
100% agree with you about the 10 heart scene especially about her facial expression!! It’s good that the 8 heart scene includes her interest too. Also agree about blunt vs rude vs mean.
About the 4 heart scene - we know Hayley is blunt, or framed more positively she’s honest. After all the hard work you do around the farm you’ll definitely be strong so I think the reason saying yes gives friendship points is because she values honesty. I think to her it’s just another fact, like how you’re not fashionable (but are still pretty) or don’t always smell good. The reason saying no loses hearts could just be because she sees it as dishonest, rather than humble. Or maybe also because if you can open the jar even though you’re not strong, you’re insulting her by implication? But I think it’s more about honesty.
If I’m right in assuming the best about concerned ape’s intentions honesty could also be the point/intent behind the 10 heart scene??? Like she wants you to be straightforward about your intentions? That would be more consistent with her character but the way it’s written definitely doesn’t sit right.
Also she’s sisters with Emily, I read their conflict as sibling bickering and caused by different preferences rather than one being right or wrong. I actually assumed Emily saying she just wanted to marry a rich man was kinda mean tbh, rather than a truthful statement. Until the 2 heart scene there’s no reason to think she’s messy, you’d expect the opposite. I think Hayley prefers to prevent mess so she doesn’t have to clean while Emily likes to make sure everything’s clean with a routine. Which would lead to Emily doing more work.
I also think some people don’t consider how hard it could be for someone with her personality in a small town. Like in her 14 heart scene where she organises a charity event but George dismissively asks if it’s for a new purse. It’s no surprise that she didn’t try to be nice at first if that’s representative of how people see her… I think she’s very creative, she’s obviously gone to a lot of effort to decorate her room in her own style, but people read it as superficial. I also think the player going out of their way to live a lifestyle that was kind of a default choice for others around her prompts her to appreciate things she took for granted. Also for her the city is a fun place where she goes shopping and can find clothes that suit her self-expression, it makes sense that she wanted to live there. Maybe she didn’t know what it was actually like for most people who live there until now? Or just hadn’t considered the downsides?
About the prismatic shard, I never thought much about it but it could tie into what you said about her independence. She has a particular aesthetic and they don’t really fit. Maybe it’s a matter of do you really think I’ll like it just because everything else does? Like do you even know me? I also like what someone else said about Emily and gems, that makes a lot of sense
19:09 this is why i really like the George cutscene you get when you do the 12 leeks quest for evelyn. all 3 answers seem like they could be right, but each one gives a very different scene!
i can only read emily with your voice, you’re quickly becoming my favorite person to watch
15:05 Hi, I'm a programmer. We usually call these remembered pieces of information "variables", and for games in particular when we use them to decide how the narrative goes we call them "flags". Flag would be the word to use for this purpose. Parameter is actually a fairly more technical word describing how one piece of code receives the data from another, but it's not your fault, it's a common misconception.
A more minor nitpick but for anyone interested in some basic programming, "string" just refers to the 'type' of data saved. Instead of a "yes/no" or "true/false" choice (called a boolean), a string variable stores a text input letter by letter. Things like your farm name, pet name and Favorite Thing are saved as strings. You probably wouldn't actually use a string for decisions like Elliot's genre, you'd just record the index of the choice (1, 2 or 3) as an integer (number). Or in languages that have an "enumeration" feature, you could have certain code words (such as the genre name) stand in for those numbers in your code for the sake of readability, without spending extra processing power on checking every letter of that text one by one like you would if you used a string.
It doesn't actually take a long time to check that, but data-type is still a decision we're taught to make carefully because a few milliseconds here and there do add up when you have to process a thousand of something while the user is waiting.
You offered an awesome perspective on dialogue choice that I hadn't considered before. Even if ConcernedApe decides to never further alter the dialogue, there is a massive community of modders for Stardew -- some of which include developing additional/altered dialogue -- that could potentially make the characters more immersive based on your analysis videos. I think your ideas have tons of potential to be valuable to the Stardew community, and as always, I definitely appreciate that you've taken time out of your incredibly busy schedule to offer an in-depth analysis on each character.
I love the idea of giving both agency to the character, as well as the player, and Haley seems like the perfect character to demonstrate what that could look like in her heart scenes. Even though I agree that her dialogue choices could be better, I do adore her progression.
I also enjoyed your perspective with divorced Haley -- I wondered if she just moved on because she never cared about you that much in the first place, but what you said makes more sense, because I think she'd still be spiteful/mean of being divorced if she had decided to revert back to that hollow shell. I think it also works because in a bunch of ways, she's the opposite of Emily -- between gemstones, food, etc. So, to me, it tracks that: When you meet Haley, she's used to hiding her true self -- when you meet Emily, she's used to being expressive and open. When you divorce Haley, she's open-minded, and when you divorce Emily, she closes herself off.
Thanks again for your deep-dive on Haley! I'm looking forward to your big compilation video! xo
thank you for the wonderful feedback! ❤️
The cake walk event makes me really want to see some permanent schedule changes based on your spouse (although I don't know what some of them like Penny would change). Can you imagine an annual cake walk? Monthly boys gridball night and Emily visiting Sandy? Or an annual spouse event like going to a game, going to a concert, visiting the beach, etc.
It’s not as much of an event but the closest thing I can think of is Abigail visits the mines on rainy days after her 10 heart cutscene!
Penny could visit her mom?
I saw this pop up and quite literally yelled out "Oh Let's fuckin' GOOOOOOO.
Absolutely adoring your videos and your style! Thank you for making these and can't wait to see more!
"I'm a farmer now, too" 🥺🥺🥺
Girly pop is reading quite autistic to me. I will absolutely admit I'm possibly projecting.
First the love of my life Elliott AND my mean wife Haley?? You're the best omg
ive always poerceived haley as just a straight... air-head? so yeah, she's self-centered, but whenever i read the "mean" lines i always heard them more of just her being..... "blonde", not even realizing she's being mean
Right I also thought she was weird too "like why are you smelling me"
haley stans rise up 🙌 loving and defending her till the end of time
i love your deep dives !! i think its so fun to see that yes on the surface she and her sister are opposites, like looking at their likes dislikes etc. but really theyre quite similar in the way that they are both sure of themselves as a person but realizing that they could find people who bring them happiness and help them grow in a way. learning to be more open to other people
aww its a shame she and alex dont see each other as potential friends for real, i like to think they are however in canon, yeah 😔. it would be cute if she wanted to ecpand her horizons too and explore his interests and he hers as you get closer to her
appreciating her character more so and seeing another perspective (which i find myself doing through all your deep dives :3) and yeah !! shes rude and blunt, not particularly mean
acts of service :D
lmfao her telling you to sleep in the dog house >:/ i love her ♡♡♡
the community reference pfft. also yeah her 10-heart scene...that was.. whew
her divorce line ough ... :') oh haley 🥺
MY PEOPLE!!
Omg the cody ko cameo felt like you were reading my mind
What's funny is I never really liked Haley that much to begin with until a guy friend of mine told me that he stans her. He likes mean girls though, and being pushed around. Now I just find her funny xD
I can’t wait for Shane 💜
Sameee 😭
I think she said he'll be last though 😫
Girl, I just had probably one of the worst days in a long time. Seeing this pop up as soon as I opened youtube put the biggest smile on my face. Your videos always make me smile and just breathe for an hour. You have no idea who I am but having this hour to listen to you talk about stardew was just what I needed. You are a wonderful content creator, congratulations on your upcoming wedding and your move. ❤
aw this warms my heart! hope you have a better day today ❤️
i love haley :] I really appreciate her depth, and i also just think it's funny when characters are just so bluntly rude to us LOL
HARVEY!!! I'M EXCITED FOR NEXT TIME!!!! jklfsjdklfdsj crying at the image you picked to pull for him 😭😭😭 i love my nerd husband LOL
I love this series so much! Excited the most for my faves Leah and Harvey
i really like how you always match the character’s you’re talking about, it’s very cute and I really like your sweater vest this vid! perfect choice ☁️☀️
Haley is such an underrated character and you definitely did her justice! but also unrelated, y’all have no idea how excited I am for Harvey’s video
gah i already loved haley but this made me love her even more. youre so thorough! i’m gonna go binge all the other ones lol
You did actually change my mind! I've never romanced Haley, but I might have to give her a shot now
thank you for doing haley justice! i love her she doesn't deserve the hate, she's definitely one of the most misunderstood characters imo
"Frictionless". I thought no way that's accidently said. Good on you and amazing use.
I saw someone make a headcanon that Haley was Autistic. And like I know that wasn't the intention at all with her character but like... I kinda get it
Ive always seen Haley and Alex as autistic, i dont even precieve alex as rude because im autistc and read it all in a literal sense lmao
Her special interest is fashion
that would also apply well to her picky eating!
I instantly fell in love with Haley when I saw her! And then it turned out that she would be one of the best choices to go to.
Love your videos, found you 2 days ago and i watched all of your videos and i'm so happy that you uploaded a new one so soon!♥
your analysis about haley's ten heart scene totally changed my pov on it!! i also thought it was a bit odd, but the way you described it made me... sad almost? like, shes so used to people wanting her in a physical/superficial way (sorta like how she always prioritized physical appearances/attributes and superficial qualities) so she assumed that the way to express interest, love, and affection was by someone kissing her w/o asking in a dark room, rather than trying to engage with her in her outside interests and hobbies. LIKE... LET US CARE ABOUT YOU HALEY!!!! thank u for this
I would love to see what 1.6 added to Haley since ConcernedApe added a bunch of new dialogue. I am a new viewer and I already love you! I love your content style and the mix of explaining the game design as well as the character themselves. Congrats on your move!
I started playing Stardew Valley for the first time ever recently, and I’ve been completely enthralled to the point where when I’m not actively playing I’m watching videos. I’ve been avoiding anything with too heavy spoilers but I discovered your video on Elliot and since I figured I’d never want to romance him myself I may as well watch the deep dives, and I’m doing that with other characters I have 8 hearts with but didn’t want to go on to marry. I absolutely adore your videos, the way they are structured and your explanations plus insight on the dialogue. You are truly one of my favorite comfort creators now and I’m so happy to have discovered you and your channel.
i had the *exact* same experience with the 10 heart scene, right down to the wording, "try" to kiss her, feeling off to me. its gratifying to hear i was not alone in all those thought processes. i wanted to support her hobby! the moment didn't feel right for a kiss. it was so jarring to find out i picked "wrong". in the end, i adored haley's personal arc, but the romance aspect specifically didn't click as well as others. i'm just happy that she's happier and i support her growth all the way 💜 fantastic analysis!
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONEEEEEE haley my beloved. Genuinely obsessed with her
Went through all your deep dives after seeing Elliot’s. I don’t play the game I just like going through rabbit holes. And I must say this rabbit hole was better than expected love it here keep up the good work and cozy vibes❤️
I recently discovered your channel and have been watching this entire series. And you have really changed my perspective on a lot of the characters, I especially have learned to appreciate the depth of Harvey and Haley :)
you definitely changed my mind about haley!! ive been watching/listening to all your sdv deep dives since i found you and i really love them all- u make great work !!
These videos are so good!!!
I think “consent” is the thing missing from the phrasing of the 10 heart scene
For the 4 hearts scene, if u respond no to being strong I feel like it could also be taken as Haley not liking your lack of self confidence! Then going on to make u prove yourself wrong
I was looking forward for this!! I didn't actually care much for Hailey, but seeing this video just made me feel a lot for her, she's so sweet after she goes through all that development, I love that.
I’m back in my Stardew hyperfixation, too, and I put on your videos while I play it. Your content is such a joy, you’re a ball of sunshine and also have wonderful insight into these characters. Thank you for making these!!
Long live the queen Haley! My gosh I almost never comment on the videos due to being rather shy but I fell in love with your videos (Especially the Elliott one, it was my first video of yours that I watched). I would love if you did deep dives into undateable characters too one day. it's so nice to hear you talk after a long day!
aw thank you!! i’m shy too haha i appreciate the comment!! i’ll totes do some undateables, i am very reluctant to stop making these videos, they are my favourite thing in life rn
HELL YES WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Remember to have fun and stay hydrated though! I'll watch every one of those videos happily!
Agreement regarding the 10 hearts scene. It would read totally differently if the choice said something like "Offer a kiss". Something that doesn't read as pushy. The way it's written, the result is just kind of frustrating.
I'm watching all of your videos while drawing, really enjoying your thoughtful analyses on these characters! Your enthusiasm is coming through, plus it's giving me an update on how these heart scenes were changed/elaborated on since way back when I played the game.
I love all of these deep dives! They’re so fun to see and learn more about the characters, I’d love to see one of Shane (don’t judge me haha), or even Harvey! Take your time with these videos, because we’ll know it’ll be amazing once you release it!
I adore your videos so much, and appreciate how much love and effort you give these videos! YOU DESERVE ALL THIS SUPPORT GIRL! Also you have absolutely changed my feelings on Haley, I never got too far in her heart events, I was so pleasantly surprised how kind she turns out to be. KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK!
I’ve really been liking this series! It would be cool to hear more character analyses from like more narrative driven games. Like persona (5) + your discussion of characterization through choice etc. or more bg3
Another lovely video! And I didn't realize that my two favorites (Haley and Harvey) are right next to each other! So excited to see the next part! Keep up the great work! :D
how dare youtube not reccomend me this channel sooner! im so excited to watch all these videos :)
you have such a warm and inviting personality! its a joy to watch your content and im super excited to see what else you'll do with your channel!!
i await the sebastian deep dive... that one will surely blow up
I love stardew valley, thinking way to much about characters and worlds I love and these long videos. Your channel is literally the perfect combination for me! I'm so glad this video found its way on my UA-cam homepage!
When I saw this on my feed I loudly exclaimed YESSSSSSSSSSS. I was so bummed when I went through all of them last week. Lovely to see a new one! :)
Considering I’ve already watched the playlist several times, I’m v hyped for the eventual supercut with bonus content 🥰 congratulations in advance for your wedding!! 💖
I love your assessment of the 10 heart scene! While I love Stardew Valley, I think the game generally has issues with consent. Without actual eye contact and body language, it's hard to tell whether the characters are giving the nonverbal "I want to be kissed" signs, but we also don't get the chance to give or ask for verbal consent.
I could see how people would be weirded out, but if you are at the ten heart scene, you are already in a confirmed relationship with her, lmao. I'm assuming the consent is implied, you know, because they are already dating.
Gave the flower bouquet and everything, so it's not like she'd be confused that you're randomly giving her a smooch, you are literally together at that point lol.
Its why she's all disappointed if you don't. She's probably thinking, "damn I brought my bf/gf in this dark room and the first thing they suggest is to redecorate" lol
Definitely agreed on the 10 heart cutscene! It always makes me think of Leah’s 2 heart cutscene where you have the “(creepy) May I have a kiss?” option. Understandably there, the player is punished by losing friendship and getting attacked.
IMO it’s easy for someone to have seen the option in Leah’s heart event and then think (creepy) whenever trying to kiss anyone in the future. At least it has no effect on friendship for Haley.
Amazing job as always. Again, your deep dive made me think about this character in a new way & like them a bit more (like with Alex). Seeing all her different dialogue together & your more gentle perspective on them got me thinking. It seems like Haley could be interpreted as being neurodivergent in some way. She has trouble with social cues/politeness, says whatever is on her mind without considering others perspectives, has a hard time focusing, needs lots of stimulation or else she gets bored, often has her head in the clouds/not paying close attention, struggles doing things outside her comfort zone, sensitive to temp changes/different foods/etc. This is similar to her sister being "odd" as well, although in slightly different ways. Where Emily embraces that she's different & steers towards the more "woo" stuff, Haley was taken up by the "popular" crowd because she's seen as stereotypically/traditionally "pretty" & is into more mainstream stuff. I'm still not a huge Haley lover but I definitely have more of an appreciation for her now.
I love these don't stop making them! Honestly i would LOVE deep dives of other npcs after you finish the eligible bachelors and bachelorettes! Also do you have a favored mod list? I'd love to share and compare
thank u so so much!!
hmmmm ok so for mods i use mostly quality of life stuff like making it so your character moves at the speed of light (Auto Speed), my adhd ass cant deal with how slow the player goes!! i also use one called Skull Cavern Elevator which is what it sounds like bc i guess i actually suck at the combat bc i kept dying over and over it was basically impossible to progress. that one feels like kind of a cheat but it took a lot of frustration out of it for me!! i also use Friends Forever which keeps the hearts from going down bc as i said in the alex video, i have enough of that in my real life thank u (not talking to people leading to friendship decay 😭) i tried SVE/ridgeside and it was fun for a while, i liked the new enemies and questlines but i ended up getting overwhelmed cos i went to ridgeside after not going for a week or so and i got like 8 different heart events playing one after the other so i just gave up lol, i think ill go back to it though, i get overwhelmed easily by new information but now that i know the main game so well i think it'd be easier!
YES YOURE BACK! i wait for your videos every week bc nobody is doing what your doing an dim burnt on regular stardew valley content.
I LOVE Harvey I can't wait to see your deep dive on him, and the potential shade and pointing out his flaws. I also have never romanced Haley because I never realized just how realistic and deep her character growth is, so I think on my newest playthrough I will!
i'm really loving those deep dives
37:57 mini harp is very specific but I remember the player uses one with Abigail. I wonder if Abigail spreads that we played together lol
Pursuing Haley feels so rewarding because it feels like it’s benefitting the town community. Hayley grows and finds new passions in life, her relationship with Emily is improved, and Penny and the kids benefit from the fundraising and donations.
i love haley sooo much
About the business tax joke: Lewis has tons of things about him in the game that point to him misusing tax money. I take the joke as the main business owners being a little suspicious after hearing the kids didn't have usable books when there's only 2 kids to provide for.
Gotta love the exes missing from the crowd
😭😭😭 i married shane last and there were like 6 people there
53:41 "Try to kiss her" gives Elliot vibes lmaoo
I really like the style of your video style :) it’s so calm and friendly feeling, this is the first one I’ve watched, and I’m excited to watch the others. Congrats on getting married! And I’m looking forward to the Harvey episode a lot!
Good video Fiona, thank you for effort and passion about this. I can’t wait for the Sebastian and Shane episodes!
the joy i felt when this finally popped up this morning 😩😩
fiona i cannot even begin to explain the joy your videos bring me! They're such comfort content, please never stop
you definitely changed my mind on Haley. what an interesting character! totally not what her early events indicated to me at all. I might actually go for her in a future playthrough.
Yes! I have been waiting for this
I was definitely not into Haley at first, but I grew to really like her character. It was nice to see she became more open-minded, BUT I 10000% agree with you about the 10-heart-event. I was definitely NOT getting the vibe that she wanted to kiss in that dark room you DEFINITELY have her cornered in. And I also agree that if the way the options were worded was a bit different, it wouldn't be so bad.
Possibly some of that on my end was that a heart event with Leah was on my mind, and the "Try to kiss her" rang too much as a creepy move instead of something that she actually was wanting. Cuz, like I said, you DEFINITELY have her cornered in that room. And also you mentioned that she specifically didn't invite you over for that event like so many other 10 hear events. This one, you surprise her by showing up.
It's not like we can read her mind, but... it is after you have given her the bouquet, so your intentions are clear and she accepts it.
I dunno, I guess it's a problem where it's a conversation in a video game. Some of the subtext is lost, but the character images are supposed to help there. I agree with you, they should have used the blushing face instead of "concerned" or whatever that other image is.
In the end, though, it doesn't have a huge impact, but you do miss out on a nice moment with your mean wife if you pick "wrong"!
I've been working on this super frustrating project for work and I've put your deep dive playlist on while I work and your voice has soothed so much of the stress of this project and I am not only making it through this super mundane project but learning so much about character development from one of my favorite games, so win win! Thank you so much for this!
I feel like Haley is one of the few characters that really cares about you the player and takes an interest in you and what you do, as opposed to just liking you and being themselves.
Interesting take on the divorce dialogue…I guess I’d always interpreted it as Haley withdrawing and going back into her cocoon. “What? I’m fine on my own, whatever. I don’t need you, farm boy.” That sort of thing. Like she’s immediately shut back down into a more protective mode and shows the same rude indifference as before. But her not having marriage wedding levels changes things maybe. Idk
I’m so excited for the Harvey video!!
I just found your videos and binged them all. I love them, keep up the good work. I can’t wait for Shane but also I’ll be sad because he will be like the last one.
Just want to say the accuracy of the way you put on the hearts is so oddly satisfying and I have no idea why.
YAYYYAY been excitedly awaiting this one, haley is my one true stardew love :)
First, this series is fantastic, love that you’re doing it, and please don’t stress about uploads in this busy time of your life!!!!!
Also wanted to say, even without marrying Haley myself (yet), I always appreciated her growth through her 8 heart event! She was someone I did ignore for a while since she’s so mean/ ignores the player at first, but her gradual growth made me appreciate the 8 heart (and even the subtle dialogue changes before that) SO much more!!!
And finally, I would have made the same choice as you in the 10 heart event, so this is good to know for if I ever do marry her lol
A morning upload! (For me) Can't wait to watch later!
As a Haley lover and defender for years, this was the video I needed 🌻
The way I dropped everything when I saw you uploaded
I LOVE THIS VIDEO THIS HAS TOTALLY CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE OMG