Bishaten's MURDEROUS Yokai Origins in Monster Hunter Rise!🐒👺
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
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For other little details about Bishaten, and its connection to the various aspects of Tengu from their cultural amalgamation and connection to religion, Bishaten has a few little animation flares that offer even more hints to its inspirations. When it is about to transition to standing on its tail, it first bows its head and clasps its hands in front of and above itself - putting itself in a position reminiscent of prayer. This also ties neatly to the next point, as, in this pose, Bishaten's arms cover its ears, but the rest of the face is visible. Now, this isn't much in itself, however, it has two other moves of note that go along with this. When it slams a Flash-Fruit into the ground to stun hunters, it has to cover its eyes with its fore-limbs to not blind itself as well, and, finally, when it smashes a Poison-Fruit down to break it open, it has to cover its own mouth to not inhale the toxic fumes. So, it covers its ears, eyes, and mouth in highly specific and intentional ways, and it is a primate-like creature, so... See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Most people are familiar with the saying, and its connection to monkeys, and this comes from East Asian tradition, especially Japanese where the Three Wise Monkeys have names that are simultaneously negative conjugations of the verbs of seeing, hearing, and speaking, but also use the modified form of the word for monkey (Mizaru, Kikazaru, Iwazaru). The principle of the Three Wise Monkeys, and even depictions of them, are common in Japan, and can often be found at shrines and other places of worship as a reminder to the followers of such core tenets of proper behavior.
I thought there was a fourth monkey that's not normally represented in media due to its connotations, do no evil, with the hands covering the pelvic region. Could you educate me further about this?
There's also how the Bishaten Horn+ description says that it's often used as a monk's hat and that longer horns mean slyer Bishaten, and I'm guessing you'd have to be pretty sly to fool a religious devout into following a highway to hell. Plus, it's constant spinning could reference the whirlwinds that tengu can whip up. Plus, the way Bishaten greedily eats those Jumbofruits reflects how Tengu-dou promotes pride and self-indulgence for power (it starts eating the second one before even finishing the first one).
@@empoleonmaster6709 It does exist, but it's rarely seen for obvious reasons. Although, while Bishaten is on its hindlegs tossing fruit around, its forelimbs almost look like it's surrendering, or rather, doing nothing.
Judging how there are Aztec-inspired pyramids in the Flooded Forest (one of the Bishaten’s habitats), and how it has that hand-tail-thingy, Bishaten might also be a reference to the Ahuizotl from Aztec mythology, a creature prominent for the hand at the end of its tail which is “similar to a monkey’s”.
I think Lil' G is still a bit salty about being turned into a plush with how determined he was to prevent Gaijin from getting a word in.
Is there any connection between Tengu and the Chozo from Metroid?
I ask because the Chozo are monk like bird people who were at one time the most powerful force in the galaxy who train Samus and supply her with powerful weaponry, but are also directly responsible for almost every galactic threat in the series, and when it's not them, it's the Space Pirates who are trying to reverse engineer their tech.
I think the only thing they weren't responsible for is Phazon. And even then they have quite the involvement in keeping it contained.
Could be, but also there can be just bird people.
Their architechture hints to a more Egyptian origin. Their old religion's main god and god of knowledge were depicted as birdmen too.
@@S.I.L. So a combination of Tengu and Thoth?
How can your videos be so awesome every time?! I love it that Bishaten actually throws persimmons😂
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Wow I haven’t thought of the story of the monkey and the crab since I was a kid! I was in the play in japanese school and everything! Man, the nostalgia.
YAY! Another one of the Rise monsters! Bishanten is my favorite of the MID-LEVEL Monsters!
Bishaten is my favorite monster thus far in the entire series!
I swear there was something important about the color Blue when it came to Buddhism that might further add to Bishaten's design.
The Crab family's revenge on the monkey reminds me of a Korean folktale where an old woman enlists the help of household objects to defend her home from a ravanous tiger. there is even a chestnut who hides in the fireplace before launching himself into the tiger's eye.
Edit: I am going to continue drawing parallels between Korean and Japanese culture in the comments section. I hope none of you have a problem with that.
Im kind curious. About all similarities they share.
@@shadowclaw7210 go for it. The more knowledge the better
Was that made before or after world war 2 because if it was after than in might actually be the monkey and the crab story change to fit Korean folklore.
@@thecorruptedgamer7032 I'm gonna guess before WW2. The Japanese Monkey vs Crab story and the Korean Old Woman vs Tiger story parallels were probably made during the Imjin War from 1592 to 1598 where Toyotomi Hideyoshi was effectively called a monkey, Yi Sun-shin had a turtle motif (not necessarily crabs but they do have a similar way of defending) and the Japanese invaders were often compared to tigers to the Koreans who are also often compared to old women.
Could you tell us that story please?
Oh...well considering the update coming this summer is bringing back one of the big hermit crab monsters I hope they have a unique Turf War with Bishaten as another reference to The Battle of Crab and Monkey. Also I noticed that in one of the pictures for that battle, timestamp of 4:44 (oof to monkey) it wasn't a Usu for mochi that was dropped on Monkey to break his back but a Quern, you can see the handle used for spinning the top half and it was in two halves over monkey's back. This was used for hand milling grain..actually in Japanese the name for a millstone, mortar, or quern is "Sekiusu"..so it IS a type of Usu dropped on monkey in that picture..just not the big mortar kind for making mochi.
It is possible, not long ago their Twitter posted "We're working hard on finishing the monsters in Sunbreak", which had a crude picture attached... which is very similar to the picture used to tease the Bishaten, though in this case, the long nosed mask is red with brown hair and a brown fan, which seems to indicate that Sunbreak will also have a subspecies of Bishaten
@@blacknight790 Yeah I saw the video Ragegamingvideos did about that, they have so far decided to figure it might be based on a Dai Tengu..an older, wiser, more powerful Tengu, which is what Bishaten is based on..so an older, wiser, more powerful Bishaten..maybe Apex, maybe variant, maybe subspecies..we don't know yet. Still, pretty hype though.
4:46 What. The. Actual. Hell.
That is by far the most insane story I have ever heard omg
Anyone else wondering if the 'Battle of Monkey and Crab' may have some relation to the story of 'Herr Korbes'? Some eerie similarities there.
Definitely more interesting a monster than I gave him credit for. Also love that bit where you couldn't get a word in only able to give your confusion very briefly.
Now can someone tell me how we haven't covered the guy on the friggin box yet?
I'd like to add that, apparently (according to Wikipedia, at least) Sarutahiko Ōkami, leader of the earthly kami, is said to be the "original model" of Konoha-Tengu. And his name, 猿田彦大神, literally means "monkey-field prince great god". Unfortunately, there's no citation assigned to the whole "Konoha-Tengu were based off of Sarutahiko" thing, so I can't ascertain its accuracy. But it does seem to imply that there is at least _some_ connection between tengu, monkeys and birds, however loose that connection might be.
This monster also reminds me of Ahuizotl of Aztec Myth. Which is basically a demon dog with a hand on the end of its tail. While most of its depictions do picture it as a dog, another common depiction is a monkey, but this is very surface level since, the Ahuizotl is a water dweling creature, not an avian.
It does go just a little deeper. The Ahuizotl is also known for blinding people something that Bishaten also does.
@@zachg.4251 I didnt know that! thank you for sharing.
@@notheresir another notable similarity is based in location, since the ahuizotl is from mesoamerican mythology which is also the style of the ruins on the Flooded Forest map which Bishaten is also found on
I forgot about the take of crab and monkey- but I’m glad I nailed most of them- and that tie to Bishamonten is more so in their armor then in any physical characteristic- interestingly they parallel more so the more benevolent images of Tengu and the overal nobility of Bishamonten- one part that intrigued me is that Bishamonten/Vaiśravaṇa is the ruler of the Yaskas, who are nature spirits like Tengu- yet Bishamonten is explicitly is against the self indulgence that Tengu are known for
Heard a fun fact: Bishaten is based on a wolf monkey- which may be a subtle reference to how the first Tengu were originally heavenly dogs who chased comets- or were comets
There is one other reference in the Bishaten which is extremely obvious if you're familiar with South American mythology.
The Ahuizotl. A beast with a hand on its tail. Coincidentally the Bishaten is most commonly encountered on the Flooded Forest map which happens to contain several ziggurats that mimic the design of cultures from that part of the world.
Not to mention it's coloration resembling that of more tropical birds found in those jungles.
and the flying monkies of Wizard of Oz
Bishaten , sound almost like Bishamonten , so yeah i was thinking that .
So awesome that you did a video for bishaten! As soon as I saw it hop sideways like a lemur I fell in love with it! I was like, YO!!! ITS MOVING LIKE A REAL MONKEY!!!! XD One of my fav new monsters!
Given their negative aspects, living in places humans don’t go to and being territorial I’m curious if there are any good horror movies with tengu as the monster. Any recommendations?
I too want to know if there's any Tengu related horror movies
There are some tales here and there, but a film about that? Don´t know. I know there is an episode of Detective Conan (Case Closed) where is set in a old mansion or monastery where is said is assaulted by one.
I just got MHR on PC and have been binging you videos and enjoyed everyone
Well, just like with Great Izuchi, Goss Harag, and Rakna-Kadaki. I now have more respect for Bishaten after watching this video. I'm excited for more Monster Hunter monster yokai origin videos.
10:56 As soon as you showed what a Gokosho was I immediately recognized it as a relic from Slay the Spire. I've only gotten into that game recently (it's a deck builder mixed with a rogue like and it's very addicting), and thinking about it now, there's a lot of relics based on cultures from around the world that I'd love to see an episode on!
As someone with hundreds of hours in slay the spire (its a very nice game to just run in the background between rounds or when you just wanna relax after a hard days work), the amount and depth of its references are wide reaching into many cultures
After this video I wouldn't mind a break from monsters to learn some more about the cultural parallels this game has.
Smash cut to now when the armour for the blood orange bishaten literally has Tengu in its name
In Alola we have crab that actually brawlers…
I was just playing yesterday and wondering how in the world did the monkey tie into Japanese culture! You are a psychic Gaijin!
Says “One of the monsters that debuted in Rise” like the three monsters that have been covered weren’t also newcomers
With Sunbreak, we gonna get Shogun Ceanataur.. so we may actually get the whole "crab vs monkey" folk tale
2:20 Yes and there awesome! Even the Spidercrab goes all samurai shown on you and the Lobster goes out with the COD Black Ops one in the chamber loadout LOL.
Now I hope Bishaten has a turf war with Shogun in Sunbreak.
That was an entertaining first part. I enjoy seeing Lil G so worked up about lore every now and then. Not to mention the fascinating information about the origins :)
Oof, that "kiri chocolate" burn from Little G stung. That kind of chocolate is all that I've been receiving in my life. Gaijin, you are lucky to have Aki by your side, the Peach to your Mario. That story of the crab and the monkey is definitely Aesop worthy with its elements of trickery and having one animal being duped more than once by another.
5:34 Little G is like that one kid on Christmas.
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You know you said we are missing a crab for the Battle of the Monkey and Crab, but we are getting a crab monster here soon for Rise. I would not be surprised if they have a special turf war with Bishaten to further go with the inspiration from that.
Probably unusual praise here: I really like how quiet this video is. The minimum setting for my headphones is often too loud for most videos
It’s finally back! Can’t wait to get more rise content, maybe something on the serpents of wind and thunder?
what a great video not only did I learn about the battle of crab and monkey but also about the religious connections tengu have
Shogun is about to have field day with him lol
Something I noticed is that Bishanten balances on its tail is reminiscing of a tengu balancing on the single "tooth" of the tengu-geta.
2:00 Maybe they would add a quest about hunting a Bishaten and a Shogun Ceanataur in Sunbreak, just wait for it.
5:00 Does that mean hunters are crabs? I know some might have crabs, but...
14:20 In other words tengus where often depictions of corrupt monks.
15:00 Maybe the fact that is a flying monkey, like those from Wizard of Oz.
I was thinking the same!
Also hand-tail might be an ahouzotal ref.
The stone arch that the Bishaten stands on in its cutscene slightly resembles a Torii gate some of its features missing. Could this also be a reference to Tengu and their interpretation as "wolves in sheep's clothing" or would the torii gates be an unrelated coincedence?
There's a few Torii on the area. It's literally called the Shrine Ruins.
I love the monster hunter videos, I'm always excited for the next one
The crab story makes more sense now that crab monsters are returning in Sunbreak and the first returning monster revealed is Shogun Ceantuar
You know there is going to be a quest referencing Crab and Monkey when Sunbreak comes out with good old Ceneature!
i remember hearing tht even the none rise specific monsters can be seen as Yokai
. Mizutsune - Kitsune
. Rajang - Nue
. Zinogre - Raiju
. Barioth - i think was an Oni but can't remember
Yeah but then there are others like rathalos, diablos, and nargacuga that are just monsters
I thought Barioth's cutscene was referencing the Yuki-Onna.
@@Percival917 could be, it is an ice creature, i only say Oni going off the face looking like a Oni mask
Monkey vs crab. Even tho it was bit. we are getting big blue crab back.
An interesting thing to note: Bishaten can cause great amounts of wind pressure something unique for a fanged beast monster!
15:17 GASP! Tanuki Gaijin! AAA! TOO CUTE!
I'm not sure how true this might be, as it was just a random thought I had when fighting him with a friend one time, but I thought there could be perhaps a bit of inspiration from the Aztec mythological creature known as the Ahuizotl, mainly on the tail. Ahuizotl was described as a "doglike" creature with a hand on its tail, which is also prehensile. The way Bishaten can not only hang from it's tail, but also use the fan shaped end as an actual hand for grabbing those persimmons made me think it might have a bit of it as well.
I remember the ancient epic of the fight between crab and snake. “Crab battle!”
Would you be doing Tokyo Afterschool Summoners in the future, mostly on characters from Japanese mythology and folklore?
11:33 I'm glad you asked the crab 🦀 made a tiny little shake for.the. 💩's "mother " so she could have some privasie the end
Goomba is rapid fire with those facts like a monkey with persimmons.
Are we the crab!?
The whole monkey vs crab story reminds me of the reject humanity meme where it either goes to crab or monkey
Germany: Out fary tails are the darkest.
Japan: Hehe monkey head goes pop.
I can't help but notice that the beast relies on it's tail like a snake, using it to support and propell itself.
Also, it's a giant Apom from Pokemon
Considering that shogun ceanataur (blue sickle crab) making his return to rise sunbreak, it be if bishaten have truf war with him. The fight starts with bishaten throwing persimmon and shogun ceanataur start slicing them like fruit ninja.
The hand-tail might be a tiny bit of Mesoamerican folklore, from the Ahouzotal. Considering we've also got a monkey-like pokemon that's got a bit of that reference, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a minor influence.
And the idea to mix a tengu WITH a monkey might be a reference to "flying monkies" from Wizard of Oz.
Being part monkey actually doesn't separate it from Tengu folklore as much as many Westerners might think. Tengu seem to be less "half bird, half man" as much as "half bird, half macaque". The two animals that live prominently on many mountains said to be home to Tengu are hawks and macaques. Then there is Sarutahiko, the Tengu kami who protected the crossroads to Izumo when Susanoo left the Sacred Realm to seek out the kami of the land. His name is even rooted in this, with "Saru" being right there at the front of it
I JUST fought Bishoten with my friend a few hours ago!
We might witness an actual representation of the Battle of Monkey and Crab once Shogun Ceanataur arrives in Rise in the form of a turf war.
That is quite possibly the greatest revenge story I've ever heard.
I know it's probably a taiko drum necklace, but I can't help thinking of a Saint Bernard's collar.
And here I thought it was based on Ahuizotl because it shows up in the area with the Mayan pyramid, kinda looked like a bat more than a monkey and had a tail shaped like a hand it used to pick things up with. Shows what I know.
i did NOT know about the Story of the Crab and the monkey. However, i EMEDIATELY saw the parallel between Bishaten and Tengu.
My sweet monke boy! I really hope you get to my other favs soon!
Crab vs. Monkey: Crabbius the mighty, origin story.
I find it clever they merge multiple sources into their monsters. AND I'm impressed you didn't mention Aipom considering none of the monkeys in depicted in the story have tails.
I mean, that might be both of them drawing reference from the ahouzotal?
You should do a content series on the anime "Mononoke" and the predecessor "Ayakashi". The adventures of Kusuri-Uri/Medicine Seller are definitely up your alley and are really interesting stories featuring various topics and symbolisms.
so, a Monkey following the ways of the Tengu... yeah that seems about right
Now I want a turf war between Bishaten and Shogun Ceanataur when Sunbreak drops
I’m happy to see them cover my favorite of the rise monsters.
I amazingly got a Monster Hunter Rise ad when I first watched this video.
Here's hoping the next Yokai Hunter vid will be the chonky Tetranadon!
I enjoy these videos u make about Rise a lot! Hope to see u do more of these monsters! 😁
A video covering the early boss Arzuros would be really cool. I think there is definitely some inspiration from the Onikuma and Ao Bozu
If Bishaten gets a turf war with Shogun Ceanataur(or Daimyo Hermitaur if it also returns), we'll know now it's a nod to that story lol.
Fight Crab is an amazing game. Glad you highlighted it briefly. Amazing video as always! Keep up the great content.
I'd love to see an analysis of the bosses from Toukiden Kiwami. I know that most are normal youkai but I feel like it would still be interesting to watch.
I Bishaten my armor the first time I fought this crazy beast lol. I honestly love all the new creatures in this game!
I'ld love to see you make a video about some more of the new Hisuian form Pokémon!
I wonder Is Watermelon Steven from Steven Universe that is based on Suika no bakemono or watermelon monster
Excellent video!! 😄
Monster Hunter Tengu: Yes, that's right. Everyone of my race can become a giant gorilla. I'm truly sorry, everyone, but I had to have a clear conscious.
Maybe Sunbreak will give us a Bishaten Varient/Subspecies based on a Proboscis Monkey and a Dai Tengu
Thank you for the video.
11:14 Why does the wheel look a lot like the Helm Wheel of a Galleon ship?
10:18 - GG, you just answered a twenty five year-old question I had from when I first watched _Tenchi Muyo!_ When Tenchi was fighting Kagato, he did some kind of transformation and there were these pom-poms on his outfit and that just completely perplexed me. I don't know *why* that stuck with me, but it's been a headscratcher since I was about twelve years old.
So I think you just drive-by *Culture Shocked* me on another anime entirely while talking about a video game.
Not to mention, Rise's director himself said in a Twitter post that Bishaten is based on the Tengu. So there's that lmao
Daaamn, the story about the battle between the monkey and the crab was epic man, it should be animated as an movie
Tengu are my favorite yokai and the Bishaten is so fun to fight. Another great video my dude.
Hooray, more Monster Hunter Rise Yokai origins. It's also on my 4th favorite Monster introduced into Rise, so that makes it better.
When I saw Tetronadon I instantly knew it was a kappa when is started to wrestle me
This was a interesting look at this monster
Nice to see the small one take charge with the lore dump again.
Combining a tengu and monkey in Monster Hunter Rise is brilliant. Because in Rise, the player has a dog companion, harkening back to the Japanese tale of a dog fighting a monkey that was terrorizing a village, allowing for players own gameplay to reference the tale, fighting a saru-tengu with an inu to protect villagers. Since the dog in that tale was brought by a Buddhist monk, Rises saru-tengu being hunted with a dog companion further references the conflict between Buddhist monks and tengu. Also, if monkeys are seen as more bestial primates than humans, it makes sense a monster based on a ko tengu, a bird-man, would be a bird-monkey instead.
I didn't realize there was an old Japanese tale about *crustacean combat*
Watching this with my new pall Plush Goombah :3