TANNINS: A DEEP DIVE. The Biology & Chemistry Never Explained to YOU. Blackwater Biotope Aquariums
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- TANNINS DEEP DIVE: The Info No One Has Told You. Biology & Chemistry Blackwater & Biotope Aquariums
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Never in my life would I have ever thought I’d be listening to the secret history *wink wink* of Tannins and be so engaged. Maybe I am turning into my father or maybe you just did such an exemplary job at giving us all that information. This stuff fascinating though.
Haha well im glad to hear it! Welcome to the nerdy fish channel
I came looking for this video...he was in Primetime Aquatics chat and mentioned it! Subbed!
@@michellebarnhill5130 haha well shucks, thanks! Welcome aboard. 🙏
Maybe we were out father's all along, we just didn't realize it.. . 😘
No cap #2024
When my girlfriend said she was bringing home the classroom Beta I had no idea it would lead to me learning the history of tannins. Great stuff man!
Duck weed is unbelievable!!! Thanks for sharing all this information. My Aunt when I was 8 gave me my first aquarium this was 54 years ago. It was a 20 gallon long ( I still have it! ). This is my most favorite of all the aquariums I currently have. It's one of the old style with a stainless steel frame, and slate back, and bottom. This aquarium was and still is heavily planted. The plants are descendents of her original plants. The Duck Weed is also descendents, as is the guppies, mollies, and swordfish.
Over the many years I can't tell you how many starter aquariums have been started from this one unit!! All the fish are mutts. They are fancy guppies. I sale from them and feed larger fish with them. Even though I now line breed fish. This very much loved aquarium stays just as I got it go many years ago. It even still has the air operated diver, and treasure chest.
Great video my friend!!!
I love that the tannins in my tank is natural to their habitat but if im honest its so hard to see their beauty because of how rich the tannins are i have to go looking for them by sitting on the floor to look up into the tank 🙈
Yeah some fish show off well in it...others disappear
I was just reading about African annual killifish, and how the smectites in the soil and botanical components(root link between tannin and botanical?) Affect whether the eggs will hatch or not, and most US states have areas with vernal ponds, even if there aren't "fish" that doesn't mean the fairy shrimp and triops and salamanders don't rely on similar soil and tannin compositions as well.
Thank you for drawing attention to this often overlooked aspect of the hobby, Tannins and botanicals can be more than just aesthetic choices for your tank.
Oh very interesting. Thanks for sharing
You along with a lot of other youtubers have played a huge part in my family's aquarium addiction. Thanks for all he hard work and info!
Dude I can not understate how stoked I am I found your channel. Such awesome info.
Right on! WELCOME HOME, FISH NERD! Hahaha. OH and Merry Christmas 🎅
Science and knowledge is better than any youtube channel. Although I like FF, he usually talks about the same thing over and over. He has alot of experience and he talks from experience, but the details are kind of missing.
I can listened for hours of your videos like a podcast and everything is something new to learn.
I agree. I like his ideas, but i like to find out the science behind each concept and confirm or deny what is currently agreed upon by science
This content will never get old nor beforgotten
How in the world did you get to know so much about this topic and Aquariums. Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
I just do research ( usually 30 Hours a week or more ,.I suppose. Thanks
Excellent video Alex. Do you ever get wonder about what processes or secrets that are happening in our aquariums that we have no clue about or haven’t discovered yet ? I recently watched one of your videos about the history going back through the ages , and it made me realize we are still only in the infancy of keeping fish in aquariums.
100% specifically fungi and conductivity, geomagnetic forces and allelopathy
Great point
@@Fishtory speaking of magnetics, are you aware that crayfish love magnetic fields? Ken Wheeler has a video where he puts magnets in fresh water stress and crayfish go nuts for it. Might be a good way of collecting them.
I've always dropped dried yard leaves into my tanks. Such a great understanding you just gave of what all they do and why. Your research is always impeccable and in depth. Merry Christmas my friend.
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Thank you kindly. And Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
I love tannins i put lief and bog in my rams tank. Love them.
Just stumbled on this gold mine of info channel. GOD BLESS FOR SHARING. LOVE IT !😊
Welcome 🙏
I was watching this then it disappeared. 😅 I was like, where'd the thing I was watching go?!
Yeah youtube screwed up the upload... but its fixed now....3rd time is a charm
Unbelievable video!!! I love watching and learning about this kind of information.
Thank you so much for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it! It takes a special person to enjoy the deep dives. Welcome!
Good topic.
Thanks buddy
This was interesting. Got me subbed, even though I've poked around your channel for a couple weeks.
Random thought; I have a particular interest in bio-camouflage, and while I don't have special knowledge regarding the actual biology of it in fish, it's a pretty standardized thing across most life forms; except for freshwater tropical fish. That always puzzled me, as to why so many of them have bright colors yet so few are actually toxic or live in coral reefs and while that probably plays a role in their evolution, this video actually offers an alternative explanation. If tropical fish are typically living in tannin tea-colored water, on top of the potential direct biochemical effects, it would make sense that their bio-camo would evolve relatively more colorful than their stream dwelling counterparts.
So I have videos on this....but they're old live streams... I should remake them as videos ... in fact, I'll probably do this ASAP because it's super interesting on a biological and evolutionary sense. Chromataphores, pigment, iridiphores and rockfish venom... all on the dockett!
Your deep dives into elements of fishkeeping are unparalleled, make for great stories, and teaches alot. Thank you for your work!
I would love a deep dive into salt(s). They also have alot of research for use in this hobby, and I find them quite underutilized. You rarely find habbitats in nature with 0 salinity, and so I wonder why that is not the first thing we should add, and maintain, in any aquarium.
Thank you very kindly. I try my best. I should do a video on salts...especially Europeans and Canadians who are not able to use other meds as readily . I have a video on the phosphate cycle, which most people have no idea about... I think its interesting lol.
I've been meaning to do a deep dive into kh gh and tds ...maybe ph as well. So I'll definitely keep it in mind for my notes and in my upcoming videos. Cheers
I'm looking at my bag of freshly fallen Oak leaves with more affection than my Catappa leaves now. Thanks, Alex👍
Right on! Cheaper too hehe
I selected it link to watch the video which I have seen several times, but I’ve never seen so many ads so I had to turn it off.
Oh im sorry for that. Stupid youtube decides how many to rub on my videos, i set it to auto usually...some get zero, others fet a ton... just so you know, any popup blocker for chrome or firefox browsers will block youtube ads!
I got my first Indian almond (catappa) leaves today. I’m so excited. I partially live vicariously through you my fellow Seattleite but not in some kind of creepy stalker way but only because half my family is there in Seattle but I have made my life Melbourne Australia so it’s just nice to see a fellow Seattleite especially when on very great occasions I hear occasional medical issues come out from your personal life so I always feel for you & wish you the best regarding your medical needs. I truly respect & admire all of your super cool 😎 Fish aquarium hobby.
Thank you so very much. Have an amazing week and enjoy those tannins, my friend!
Silly phone removed the last word of that last text where it was supposed to say fish aquarium hobby advice.
Thanks to this video I've now made a jar of tannins to add to my new 10 gallons from time to time to keep my fish healthy. I love your videos, I don't see ego in your videos just the need to share info. Thanks brother
In Scotland in ye olde days they tanned hides/skins in the bogs as well alex
Aye!
I'm not even halfway through and my mind is blown.
Not sure if you touch on this, but some orchid-growers will soak media and roots of some orchids that are having problems in black tea specifically for the tannins so that the plants are triggered to grow more and healthier roots. Many people don't know that orchid seeds have no endosperm and can only grow in nature with the help of mycorrhizal fungi. So now I'm wondering what interplay there is between mycorrhizae and the tannins found in vascular plants. We already know that these fungi are the only microbes that are capable of breaking down lignin (and thus fixing N).
I didnt know that either! Thanks for the info. Very much appreciated 🙏
Always fascinating deep dives my friend ✌️
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video!! Just today, I added a few small, dry, Magnolia grandiflora leaves to the 75 gallon river scape aquarium I mentioned yesterday in the comments of another of your videos. I also added a nerite snail, some water wisteria and bacopa.
The tank is designed to to be a habitat focused on loaches. Namely dojo, hillstream, and khuli loaches.
I'm not going for a black water tank per se, but I I thought the tannins from the Magnolia leaves would be a good addition.
Thanks again for all you do. I've learned a lot from you in the past few weeks.
Nice! I have the same magnolia tree in my back yard...that thing produces so many buds, leaves, flowers, pods and sticks lol. I love it
You're such a great teacher. As a fellow nerd I think i won't be able to stop myself from watching hundreds of your videos 😅
Wow, thank you!
Tea just hit different now
Haha i could do 5 hours of talks about tea and history alone
Your camera quality is so greatly appreciated. That being said, even then that’s the least impressive aspect of the video: your knowledge overshadows everything else! Thanks for sharing :)
Lol thanks, this one i light with 3 lamps and ring lights, plus had the nice filter and compressor lapel mic setup...its a bit loud but i could probably fix that before i make the audio a podcast.
My 24k neo tank is a deep black water setup and i started with 30, i'd say there are a few hundred and they are thriving. This was a excellent video. Keep up the good work Alex.
Right on, thanks for sharing the real life example with us
You're the best Aquarium based UA-camr. I stumbled upon this video a while back and it helped with an issue I had with a new betta. It's fins got shredded up by the filter. It kept lying on the bottom of the tank and not being very active. After watching this video for the first time, I put some chunks of coco coir mulch in his tank, which tinted the water a bit. After that, his fins grew more in a day than the previous week.
Great to hear! Welcome to the community! Also, im glad the fish is doing better now!
...and here goes my dream of a crystal clear 4 foot river tank, lol.If its good for the fish than its essential
This was bloody awesome man! Exactly what I needed to know without knowing it! I watched the origional version with what I'm guessing was back to front ha ha. No matter loved it & will watch this again as it's great info! Cheers!
Thanks mate...yeah youtube scrambled my first uoload
Absolutely loved this video! The quality of information in your videos is incredible. Hope your chanel keeps growing so more people can provide better living conditions for their fish and other creatures. Sending greetings from Czechia. You are doing great job! 💪👏
Thank you so much!
Brilliant as a usual. Thank you for all of your work!
My pleasure!
Thanks!
Whoa! Thank YOU!
Hey Alex jyst had a thought, I'd be interested in a video about the tannins in driftwood/other wood as opposed to leaves which you other videos focus on. How do they compare, are they the same tannins or different, what are the pros and cons of each etc
Identical.... but in different combinations. Every single plant, wood, seed, stem, leaf or pod is different....and so much so, that the same tree species may have some leaves that are 2 or 3x stronger than its others.
I just threw some lilac bush branches in my tank a couple of weeks ago. It doesn’t seem to be producing much tannins. Ph is still stuck at 7.6. I have hard well water. 290 ppm.
So much great information, Colloidal silver is another one of those elements most people don't realize are good for you. I knew tannins were good for fish immune system but I never thought about their importance in our body and history as well. Again thank you, and I wish you a Merry Christmas 💜
Totally :D cheers and merry Christmas to you as well
Brilliant man thanks for this information.
No problem 👍 glad you enjoyed it
Really interesting and well presented, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for the in depth view on our beloved tannins. I watch it the 2. time now 🤓
Awesome. Thanks for the feedback and support. Merry Christmas
Great Video. Thanks.
Thank you kindly
Setting up a blackwater tank for Parosphromenus ornaticauda right now and this was so helpful! Thanks for the amazing resource :)
Outstanding lecture.
Glad you think so!. Thanks
Dude youre such a nerd & i love it just subed
Welcome 🙏!
Had to rewatch this again from beginning to end. It's full of knowledge thanks to you. Nobody makes videos as in depth as you. Thanks brother.
I appreciate that!
I enjoyed learning from you as I had dinner and a wine made from those sweet sweet tannins. So much respect for you and really appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us around the world!
Thanks! I just love how interconnected the world is
This is so awesome. I had this video on my to watch list for a while and finally listened. Love this content. Subscribed
Right on! Im so glad you dug it. Welcome aboard!
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Fishtory Mark Kurlansky has written some books about specific things and how they've driven history (see "Salt" and "Cod"). Your video makes it seem like tannins are also equally deserving of that treatment.
Amazing video dude. Mind blown, and more deeper dives for myself.
I love your channel.. your super informative
Thank you so much for supporting it and tuning in, and dropping by Jose!
Fascinating
Glad you think so as well!
I love trying out different botanicals to see which the shrimp love best
Yeah keeping track on a journal or log is super helpful also
Love your deep dives! ❤Ty!
Glad you like them! Have an awesome weekend
Jam packed!! Should look at my queue list Alex, great hanging out with ya~
Thank you kindly. Welcome
Awesome as always
I appreciate that. Thank you for your support
Wow, you are very thorough on tanins!
I tried hehe
This is amazing and informative! So glad you did this! Seriously like a human encyclopedia! Thanks Alex 😀 I've been using botanicals for my tank but didn't know much about it other than it's good for them lol
Right on! Perhaps keep a journal of what you add and when...and it's impact on things. Cheers thank you for dropping by
Thanks
Thank you very kindly! And a Happy New years!
I feel bad that I never have enough money to contribute so all I’m able to do is like and share.
Thats more than enough my friend. And extremely appreciated
I’m 46. I received a formal diagnosis that I fought quite hard to get 5 years ago. My formal diagnosis was critical to prove what allows me to receive maximum government benefits which is the one thing that allows me to survive financially speaking.
Deja vu.
Did you click to find a private video earlier as well lol
Lol yeah it was all out of order and some people werent getting sound or even video at parts... so frustrating... 3rd upload seems to be a charm. But i truly appreciate yall tuning in again
I'm new to the aquarium world and had to find out a lot of stuff the hard way unfortunately losing fish ect more recently couldn't get the bad levels down even after water changes, recently been watching some videos on here talking about leaves being a good thing for the tanks so another amateur mistake I guess but went into my back garden to my grape Vine where the leaves are now brown and falling so put 3 or 4 in the tank and within a day the levels started to drop day 3 and dropped even further fish are looking good and loving the leaves so far so good but will keep my eye on it 😊
Right on! Thanks for the tip
You are one cool teacher
Ayyeee! Thanks. * Hello Fellow Teenagers*
Mopanie and other woods are loaded with tannins . So what I’ve learned not to use carbon to get rid of tannins. Tannins are your friends in fish keeping hobby, just keep an eye on ph. Thanks a bunch for the info.
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Nice clean video, you and picture quality and informational quality have reached a new level
Thanks....im glad its noticable. I put a couple grand back into gear for the channel haha. Been saving those super chats up...next i want webcams on some tanks or waterproof cameras to go in with wild and tank raised fish
Do you have any videos of a total fishroom tour? I'd love to see all your creative aquascapes and the species you keep :)
Most my live streams that arent seated... we check up on everything, weekly :)
@@Fishtory sounds good:)
Looking for advice on whether there is a limit to how many leaves to add to a 15 gallon tank with vibrant community of neon tetras guppies loaches and shrimp.
So guppies and shrimp can't handle a ph under 6.5 or so .... so just check the ph or boil the leaves and pour off the water and some tannins if you want the leaf material and not the organic acids in the leaves
Really great and interesting video! Thank you Alex!! ❤🇨🇦
Glad you thought so as well. Merry Christmas
Thank you Professor. You're very good at this! 🤛
You're very welcome! And thank YOU
Do the beneficial elements all infuse into the water? Or does the organic material need to be accessible to the fish? Would one want to build a tannin tank(s) and regulate its water solution flow into the fish tank?
Thank you! Great stuff on your channel. I’m glad I found it the other day. The most recent comment I saw from you was dated a year ago. You had a bad fall. I hope you have recovered well.
First of all, welcome!
Yes I've recovered and I'm on to the next illness or injury haha.
As for tannins they just need to be in contact with the water column to soak. All the alkaloids are water soluble
What happened
Probably wasnt done loading... youtube has been driving me freaking mad lately lol..but its all there now 😑 lol
I loved this! Thank you!!!
This is a great piece of work.
Well thank you kindly. I worked a long while researching this one haha
I'm always amazed by how well you now your stuff.
I've always wondered where you get your information. You must read a lot of books.
And just for my amusement can you pronounce Henri Braconnot again please? 😀
Haha i have a video on the 12 best online research sources for fish info and the aquarium hobby. But yes...lots of reading and never taking "i dont know" as the final answer... i make sure to go find out the answer if possible. Knowing which expert WILL know, is far more useful than trying to learn about every topic hehe. Thanks for watching and writing
Wow another great video mate keep up the outstanding work.All the best for 2023.
Thanks
I’m trying to work out your background, I tend to listen to columnist/media/UA-camrs somewhat loyally for a while, so I know what to trust and in what context they are strongest.
I’m an industrial chemist but that doesn’t always help in something complex like an aquarium. Honesty, the more you know the harder it gets, because there are layers of understanding and then the many many interactions. In general, science tends to work in isolation, single compounds, and not on the system level, at least what you get from Google. In fact it’s the interactions and systems where the real discovery is, but that takes so long to untangle, a body of science can begin to loose some information along the way. In a way, even an MD ends up being a technician, where you know what works but time and cost may not always allow for understanding it all, before a new problem arises. Often an experienced scientist will have an instinct that goes beyond written science, and a careful hobbyist too.
The main thing I’m getting is you have kept and shared a sense of wonder in nature, pretty cool.
Haha so I was schooled for Archaeology/cultural anthropology and History. Then i proceeded to do nothing with archaeology, not finish the phd, due to family and health/money issues, then due to that, I started tattooing and graphic design, as well as painting and woodcarving for 15 years or so, owning my own studios...until tada youtube the last couple years is my full time gig. As for other disciplines, I just love learning!
Basically name a hobby or feild of study and i was probably obsessed with it for a few months haha.
For instance, i have a chemistry background for clandestine hobbies as a teen... but that's about it beyond honors chem in high school.
Anyhow big systems are where the magic come out, for sure! Cheers
@@Fishtory I started out collecting rocks, then building stuff, and chemistry was mostly clandestine, not a few jack o lanterns met unexpected fates. Aquariums got in there and dominated my junior high and early college. I was tracking to do ichthyology, but getting married changed this along w God. Ended up in paint industry as formulator. Traveling less I got back into one tank. Trying to keep it small, as I also got into guitar, gardening, baking, photography and can’t support all my hobbies. For me aquariums are gardening in the winter.
You rock! Thanks for going the extra mile. Have a Merry Christmas.
Merry christmas my friend...may it be pain free and joyful
I just found your channel and I am HOOKED!!!
Welcome and thank you kindly. Theres a lot of content to explore
interesting
Can you talk about Carbon filters? I bought a hang on filter and it has activated carbon in it. I see people say it removes almost everything and should only be used when you want to remove medication or nasty stuffs like new paints in your house and such
I also heard it is porus, any thoughts on just throwing away the used charcoals in substrates? it will add free(cost) volume to it and might be a good place for bacterias
Sure ill make a video asap
Really interesting content!
Thank you very much! Welcome
@@Fishtory I really enjoy your podcasts, but I would like to listen to them while commuting or doing stuff! Are they available through apple podcasts, spotify or any platforms I can listen to them without having youtube open?
@bigguy so they will all be on a podcast platform any day now... its just a matter of them processing my submissions essentially. Thanks for tuning jn!
Hey I wanted to do a blackwater tank with a live eco system, I’m planing on seeding my tank with daphnia, black worms, aquatic pill bugs. What other kinds of micro critters do u think I should add to have a live substrate? and/or equipment or tank parameters I should shoot for?
With worms..id do a live substrate. Daphnia will be low in population likely, because they need algae to grow and algae is stiffled by the tannins...seed shrimp are another good choice...or scuds
@@Fishtory to Daphne eat any macro algae maybe I could float some subwassertang 🤔
Love your brain! Thanks for sharing it’s fascinating contents with us 😊
Aww shucks! Thanks for joining us!
Merry Christmas Mr. Williamson!
Merry Christmas to you as well. And a happy new year!
I very much appreciate your videos. Great job! Very educational. Thanks!!
Thank you for tuning in
Alex, around 27 minutes where you are talking about tannins sequestering metals, would this cause salt (NaCl) to lock up tannins and prevent them from being useful? A lot of us add a little salt to a tank on occasion , so would this mean that adding tannins afterwards would remove any salts, but also waste any potential benefit of the tannins?
Great question! It can form into some more complex salts, yes...but it can only sequester or bond to a small amount relatively, compared to water dissolving it also. So it may take 10 or 20% But its not significant for most aquarists
Can I use birch and it’s bark in my tank? It’s the only hardwood I have in my area. Thanks
Yes it should be fine. Just dont use green wood or leaves
Brilliant, really enjoyed this, thank you!
Thank you. Im so glad to hear that. Cheers
So, is it possible to have a tank rich in tannins that also has a neutral pH? I want to do a “lower aggression” well planted betta home with Amano shrimp and Malaysian trumpet and maybe other snails, and Pygmy cories. Here and there in your other videos it seems you were saying this is possible-but HOW? Sorry if this is confused newbie question.
Yes its possible, but it requires a bit of skill. So you add crushed coral or carbonate....or gss co2, then get the tds to 150 or 200 with crushed coral... and near neutral ph... by adding leaves...so the tds isnt low and the water isnt soft. So with a balanced ph and tannins in the water, your offset the acidity with the crushed coral...and likely use botanicals, aquasoil and slowly add them...until you can see the colors you want....then just add a table spoon or quarter cup lf aragonite or crushed coral until the ph isnt so acidic.
I’ve been adding a catappa leaf to each of my tanks for the last year or so, and if the ph ever gets below 7, I add a handful of crushed coral or argonite sand. In a week or two (or longer? Unsure precisely but I do test the tanks regularly), it is back up to a nice 7 or 7.5. It may matter that my tap water is super hard, the gh is always off the charts. My understanding of these things is rudimentary and I’m trying to learn if that will even work long term. Just anecdotal evidence from a newbie who keeps livebearers. 😊
I have added tons of maple leaves from a pond, and they didn't change the water at all. Do you think the tannins are already done for? They definitely wintered.
Nice one Alex 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Just what I was looking for the science behind tannins 😂
Not many understand 😊
Welcome to the nerdy side
WOW this is very interesting! I learned a bunch of things. Where did you learn about tannins interacting with other things such as proteins? I wonder if this has something to do with healing.
Just in the course of reading pharmaceutical research on google scholar mainly. And i bet youre correct
I'm a champ, thanks!
can I put green tea leaves in a tea filter into a new aquarium ?
Sure
Thank you for your reply.
I meant as a way to increase tannin, and then wait for the tank to stabilize after the addition of other plants , then add shrimps and snails into my nano tank
Do our aquarium plant leaves contain tannins in a significant amount ?
No they usually are water soluble, so even emersed plants with them, lose them with time spent under water
Love these deep dives, keep them coming!
Well I have a bachelors degree in the history and chemistry of tannins now haha
I'll send you your diploma in 4 to 6 weeks
Love the topic!
Thanks. Oh and merry Christmas